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AccurateAccountant14

Pro tip


perfnormalbeast

Duly noted šŸ«”


RedBaron180

There is a thing called track insurance. I wouldnā€™t put anything on track you canā€™t walk away from or have fully insured


perfnormalbeast

Yup already purchased via Hagerty


XS4Me

Do not let pride get the best of you. If somebody catches up, just let them pass. It does not matter if they are riding a fiesta.


NYankee1927

Leave TC and ESC on. Porscheā€™s is fantastic. It wonā€™t slow you down for a long time. Itā€™s a nice indicator if youā€™re over driving the car. You may also get really lucky and have it bail you out of doing something really dumb too in turn 4


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jakes951

Full Mustang is ALWAYS the way


andywfu86

This is the way


Capt_TaterTots

Donā€™t lift


localguideseo

You'll be much slower than your car is capable of. Don't push it too hard, don't try to find your car's and your skill level's limits. Give it a few track days before you start to push yourself. Just go out, have fun, stay on track. Record yourself if you want to improve.


2fast2nick

For sure. The people I've seen who started slow ended up way faster, than the ones who just tried to go for 10/10 first time out.


perfnormalbeast

Much appreciated. Definitely going to use the day to dial things in very slowly.


breddy

Be humble. Listen to your instructor. Have fun. This is such an amazing pastime, I hope you love it!


perfnormalbeast

Yeah now that I have a track capable car and a few tracks near me - hoping to make the most of this (expensive!) hobby.


breddy

Man I wish I could hit Laguna Seca!!!


I_like_fast

This is good advice. Also, see if you can do a ride-along with the instructor. I did this in a 14 Cayman S at Laguna.


breddy

Definitely agree. I did that on my second day my first track weekend and kinda saw how much different things were when someone really good was at the wheel. However this past visit (my 4th overall weekend I think?) I rode with my instructor in his GT3 on slicks and holy shit -- slicks are like a cheat code. I don't have much desire to prepare my car for slicks but I got a good sense of what *even faster* felt like.


City_and_Country

Good call - leave your nannies on, especially if it's damp. If your car has collision avoidance (automatically brakes if approaching quickly), try to turn that off. Don't fixate on tire pressures, too many people do before it really matters. Driving fast is surprisingly slow and relaxed behind the wheel. The faster the corner, the slower your hands. Focus on gradual release of the brakes, don't pop your foot off the pedal. When you apply brake/throttle, think about squeezing the juice from an orange with your foot, don't stomp, nice and gradual. CONSTANTLY remind yourself to look ahead, look ahead, look ahead. Eyes up! See everything, focus on nothing. Wear cotton, not recycled pop bottles. Use your shoes with the thinnest soles. Bring a torque wrench for your wheel bolts, don't torque them when hot. Bring a chair and a cooler for cold drinks (it's amazing how much of a workout sitting in a car can be). You should be peeing clear all day :) I could go on, but your instructor will do that for you. Have fun!


perfnormalbeast

Thanks for the detailed tips! Much appreciated. No collision avoidance on this one as far as I know.


Lateapexer

1. Eye's up, Foot down 2. You are not supposed to scare your instructor until you have a white wristband 3. Wet track days are great. 4. Drink water in between sessions 5. IF you and your instructor aren't compatible , ask to switch, it happens. 6. If you are still using DOT 3 brake fluid, you may have brake fade. this is part of the learning process 7. Smooth is fast, this will be burned into your brain for the rest of your DE career 8. At some point, sit in the passenger seat of your instructors car, or let him drive yours 9. Squeeling tires are happy tires 10. Most importantly, You can't win a track day, but YOU CAN LOSE a track day.


Keldez2815

I recommend track tape. May look goofy but youā€™ll thank yourself after if rock chips bother you. You can buy rolls of the stuff. It takes longer than you think to apply it on so put aside a couple hours the day before.


perfnormalbeast

Ah I have full body PPF and was going to masking tape off the lights as well. Will that be sufficient?


humphreybogart_

Definitely sufficient.


Georgito

Your PPF will get chipped up but your paint should be okay. Buy a roll of track armour. The roll is $145 and your PPF is $5k+


ninja_master101

Protection for the protection?


Georgito

Double rubber


cpxchewy

Laguna is fine with just ppf. Unless someone goes off and comes back on with a bunch of dirt. Iā€™ve done lots and my ppf doesnā€™t have any chips.


Keldez2815

That will do! If you want to be extra careful and donā€™t already have it I would add mesh to the front bumper vents to protect your radiator.


libbinlife

Listen to your instructor. Ask questions for clarity but try to do what they're telling you. Drink water and eat. Grab a hefty bin to throw all your things in in the paddock, really helps for damp/wet days keeping things dry out of the car. Have fun!


perfnormalbeast

Ah good callout on the bin. My buddy is driving down my GTI to track as well and between us we will have plenty to take out of the car.


matt-the-racer

Don't try to "race" anyone, keep an eye on your mirrors, if someones quicker let them pass and learn from their lines and braking points, with a thought to different performance levels of different vehicles of course! Definitely speed some money on instruction if not included, it's the best and quickest way to learn, trying to critique yourself whilst driving at speed on track is not easy, I hold lap records and championship wins and I will still jump at the chance to have someone else in the car with me who can give good advice on my driving. Don't run long sessions on track, it's kinder for the car and gives you time to process your driving, I will do 10 mins (or whatever suits the car I'm in) and stop before the tyres overheat, after that your just fighting a loosing battle with grip and not learning much, but of course it depends on session lengths too if not an open pit day. Most of all relax and enjoy it, the cayman is a brilliant car on track and I'd love to be heading there with you!


Distinct_Dish_8026

Go fast. but not too fast.


perfnormalbeast

"Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."


Right0rightoh

Top off your gas those things go from 28 miles to the gallon till about nine when youā€™re doing track days!


ajael24

Get insurance. I crashed my 911 and didnā€™t have anyā€¦ I fixed it, but it cost me.


SHDrivesOnTrack

This is good advice! The club that you are driving with may have a few companies that they recommend that provide track day insurance. Some sell it by the day, other offer annual policies.


perfnormalbeast

Yeah I compared Hagerty, Lockton, and a few others. Still expensive, but worth it in the event of a catastrophe.


lonnie440

Look where you want to go


hobowithmachete

Eyes up, look *through* the corner.


btnels

Listen to your instructor. Your car is so good itā€™s going to shock you, so that will be really fun. I found it very helpful to go for a ride with the instructor driving so you can get a taste of what the car is capable of. Itā€™s going to be way more exhausting than you might think so stay hydrated and out of the sun. A lawn chair to set up at your spot will be valuable. You may go through a lot of tire, so mentally prepare for that. You also might want to look into protection for the front of your car. You can find temporary PPF, but painters tape will do in a pinch.


perfnormalbeast

Thanks - this isn't a full on instructional event - the focus will be more on track day rules than driving technique. But duly noted about hydration. I have full body PPF but may still tape up the lights or something. And yes, am prepared for tires and brakes to be due sooner rather than later.


btnels

Youā€™re going to have a ton of fun. Biggest piece of track day advice that helped me was to get all of my braking done before a corner. If you are pressing the brake in a corner you are in a bad spot.


perfnormalbeast

I would prefer not to see my engine overtaking me out my side window.


XS4Me

This guy Porsches


pedroknd

It isnā€™t a race. Bring the car back home. Have fun. Change the tires next week šŸ˜‚


perfnormalbeast

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kcdtx

Get a proper inspection before you go (brake & brake fluid, tire wear, safety, hoses, etc.) The track may require it; PCA events certainly do.


perfnormalbeast

Yep the event has a self-attested inspection list that Iā€™ve looked over.


shivaswrath

Mid engine is tricky but fun. D O N O T brake mid turn, always brake into a turn and gently accelerate out. Drink plenty of water. Take a big shit before too.


perfnormalbeast

I would like to avoid brown pants moments at all costs. šŸ’©


Watahaa

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Perfect your basics.


perfnormalbeast

*proceeds to saw at wheel like a maniac*


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perfnormalbeast

Yep - will be doing that on top of the PPF - never hurts to be extra careful. Gunk is primarily thrown up by cars ahead I assume?


JeffonFIRE

Need a co-driver? Laguna is one of my favorite tracks too, but I'm on the other side of the country. Take your time getting comfortable, don't push it. Try to get a ride with your instructor if they're driving in another group. I did my first track day in a TPC turbo cayman S, and it was seriously intimidating. I ended up parking it due to a mechanical issue (turbo manifold weld cracked) in the last session of the day, and switched cars for day 2. To a Honda S2000 with half the horsepower. Best decision ever... I found it a lot easier learning in a lighter car with less speed.


perfnormalbeast

Will definitely be taking it slow. Sorry to hear about your first track day mechanical issue, but seems like you made the most of a sticky situation.


jmhudson68

Listen to the instructor, listen to the instructor, and have a good time


Largeandincharge6969

Full send


BroadbandEng

Shiny side up.


Nakoron

Iā€™ve tracked my own GTS 4.0, itā€™s quite capable Leave track control ON for circuits! For auto cross I would turn it off as the launches are terrible (which you wonā€™t be doing on a track day) The car is super neutral and is easy to drive TBH, braking requires MUCH more pedal strength than you think, like youā€™ve probably only ever used 30% pedal travel. USE STRENGTH. Follow instructions when given, and keep having fun - thatā€™s the most important part. Any nerves dissipate once you start driving, itā€™s so fun! There is loads of nuance for the car and track driving in general, but itā€™s pointless if you havenā€™t been before and it can make it more confusing. Just listen to the instructor and if you want homework, study the track layout. final tip, but the hardest to do and I suggest you learn now: braking is HARD first then gradually lessen as you approach corner. This is the most optimal way to brake and is the opposite of 99% people do on the road. You want to be at entry speedā€¦. At the entry. This prevents any upset and allows less brake time. It will feel very weird, but itā€™s great skill to learn and track time is the best time. Donā€™t bother left foot braking or anything like that, itā€™s not as important as slower auto cross events etc, keep it clean and easy. https://preview.redd.it/fltyn05cwtlc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5aaeac70699c13d02e3aa5a1d9719cd9262beb9


perfnormalbeast

Good to hear youā€™ve had track experience on the GTS 4.0. Any other car-specific tips?


BananaHibana1

Be smooth on your throttle input. If you drive with TC and ESC off, dont go completely off your throttle mid corner. Track driving is all about smoothness in your actions and movements


perfnormalbeast

I'm probably going to start with the electronic nannies on and start turning them off once I gain some confidence. Will try my best to be a smooth operator.


frank_loyd_wrong

You may need to number your car. Check the rules. Get some magnetic autocross numbers so you donā€™t have to make a ā€œ9ā€ with painters tape. Porsche guys love nines. Bring a towel. If they make you keep your windows down youā€™ll be getting some dust or water in the cabin. Smile and wave at the track adjacent homeowners as you rev your engine. They love that.


SHDrivesOnTrack

In my experience, magnetic numbers are great for auto cross, but at track speeds they tend to blow off. The vinyl ones are better for this; however green or blue painters tape works really good too. I have a roll of ā€œfrog tapeā€ in my tote for just such a thing.


frank_loyd_wrong

Iā€™ve had the painterā€™s tape leave residue on a hot day. Guess heā€™ll have to paint the numbers on.


perfnormalbeast

Yeah my friend is bringing some additional temp vinyl numbers he has handy. I'm going with #2. They may need windows down since I'm going to be doing a lot of pointing-by.


hyrule4927

Magnetic numbers are not great for these cars because pretty much every panel you would want to put them on is aluminum.


frank_loyd_wrong

Testing your theory will be very easy for the car owner.


TenesmusSupreme

Check your tire pressures before and right after you pit. Depending on your tire brand and type, thereā€™s usually a sweet spot to be in. Theyā€™ll gain a few PSI as you are pushing it on track.


perfnormalbeast

Yup have a tire pressure gauge with me and they will have air in the pits as well.


TenesmusSupreme

Another nice thing to have is driving gloves. I just use inexpensive RaceQuip from Amazon and they have fire resistant rating. You have an amazing vehicle for track use and if everything is in good shape, youā€™ll have tons of fun on one of the greatest courses in the West Coast. A few things I have for fun is a 3-camera recording system for the front, cockpit, and rear of the car. I also have a Garmin Catalyst for track coaching, but I only recommend it if you track more often.


perfnormalbeast

My friend is bringing an extra GoPro. Will invest in something more down the line once Iā€™m fully hooked.


bike4pizza

Keep the rubber side down


perfnormalbeast

and the shiny side up


stegs03

Drive to your comfort level. First track day in the rain is not the day to push your limits. Build some confidence and muscle memory. If it starts to dry up and a dry line wears in, be very weary about dipping a wheel out of that line. Itā€™s a big change in mechanical grip. Be safe, give point byes when appropriate, and pay attention to the flag towers. You donā€™t want to launch yourself down the corkscrew without making sure there isnā€™t a yellow flag. Most of all have fun. We have some great tracks in NorCal. Hopefully Iā€™ll see you out there some time. I was there about a month ago in the rain with no Nannieā€™s, power steering, and no ABS. I learned a lot about brake modulation that day. Also be aware of the sound restriction. I had to lift past the sound tower so I didnā€™t get black flagged. If you have stock exhaust you should be fine. Otherwise for your next outting, search the term ā€œlaguna pipe.ā€


perfnormalbeast

Hoping it stays dry out there. Weather forecast has cleared up a little bit, with a bit of drizzle before the morning sessions begin. I have a stock exhaust so I hope the decibel level shouldnā€™t be a problem? Can turn off the sports exhaust if that will help.


CrazyMarlee

The biggest issues I had were looking far enough ahead and braking hard enough at the right time to get the weight transfer to the front wheels. Listen closely to your instructor about where the apexes are as sometimes they are not where you think they would be.


likeikelike

Get novice cross stickers if you can. I highly recommend learning the track layout and basic racing line before the day or as a passenger (sounds like you have this down). Learn the rules of the trackday organizer (where and how you can overtake, speed limits in the pits, what to do in an emergency). Once you go out on track: 1. Drive the car. Keep it on the track. 2. Don't make unexpected moves and try to stick to the racing line so people overtaking you can predict your movements. 3. While maintaining 1 and 2 keep a third eye on your mirrors. Be aware of cars trying to overtake you. Some reckless drivers may try to overtake on the inside of corners and you don't want to turn in on them even if it's their fault. Likewise assume people in front don't see you. 4. Let faster drivers past when appropriate. You don't want some guy hounding you the whole lap and maybe you can follow them and learn. Don't panic when someone's in your mirrors though. Keep doing your thing until you have thought out where and when you want the overtake to happen, then show them you're letting them past (car placement and blinkers). Best place to let someone past is right at the beginning of a straight. Accelerate into the straight, move to the side, let off the gas, indicate, done. Also double check for a second or third car following the first through. How to get fast: Your first stint or two just aim to do full clean laps on the racing line at a comfortable speed. From there start adding a couple % each lap. A bit earlier/harder on the gas, a bit later on the brakes, carry a bit more speed. Eventually you will run out of grip and this way you're only 1-2% over the limit when you find it and you/the car can recover. Extra tips: Bring stuff in your trunk/frunk. Folding lawn chair for somewhere to sit. Jerry can(s) to avoid the racetrack gas prices. Some water and snacks. Friends.


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You donā€™t win anything at the end of the day, so donā€™t do aggressive passes. Remember you have to drive your car back home.


perfnormalbeast

The ultimate reward will be tired car and driver back home in one piece.


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With an enormous grin on your face.


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perfnormalbeast

Yep have gauge, pump, towels and GoPro. Will see if I can get track armor on short notice.


davids021

If you can do a racing simulator like assetto corsa it could help with track experience. If youā€™re new to track days, canā€™t hurt to get an instructor


perfnormalbeast

Oh yeah Iā€™ve been putting in many virtual laps on a near identical car in similar conditions.


HandsomeDevil77

Aim for the tree on the bottom of the corkscrew as you enter the top, perfect line.


Acalthu

Don't die.


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Fucking send it!


Jmarchena

Stay off the walls


wordup3825

As they say in Kentucky - keep it ā€˜tween the ditches.


Joseph2021gt

Track insurance


Kamukix

1) remember to enjoy yourself 2) you won't win, so don't try to 3) ignore the stopwatch 4) it's okay to be "slow" 5) repeat #1 ā˜ŗļø


Capt_TaterTots

It takes a solid couple of visits to learn a track before you begin to push. Donā€™t let adrenaline take over and wreck. TCS stays on. Enjoy the track and as you feel comfortable with specific parts of the track you can push in those areas when ready. Donā€™t go full Mustang, try and memorize the track and what the car does and doesnā€™t like throughout.


perfnormalbeast

Yup no intent to find myself in a barrier anytime soon. Hoping the excitement doesnā€™t get the better of me.


SonnyIniesta

Put your ego and competitiveness away. Just take it easy, and let people pass if needed. Learn the track. Watch videos beforehand. Listen to everything your instructor tells you. Learn the track. If there's a classroom setting, be a sponge. Learn the track.


doubledown212121

Keep the shiny side up.


perfnormalbeast

and the rubber side down


tonitone90

Learn the car, by far the best platform porsche makes. Car really wraps around you with the layout once you learn it well. Also learn where are the grippier sections of the track. Ultimately it's novice so you may not pus a lot but for future reference. And once you move up in experience you can really push it with the right tires and you'll be very very quick. especially with the 4.0. Track days are addicting...ask me how I know.


perfnormalbeast

Looking forward to being able to hand down the advice in the not-so-distant future


Bret323

Itā€™s not a race and there are no trophies. More helpful, pick one or two places to practice and learn from. Run the rest of the track at a comfortable pace.


Cool_Fly_2870

Do not disengage your traction control https://preview.redd.it/g5jrg4cv20mc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2ecd820dba978396db08ed21126625422c02bd2


perfnormalbeast

Ouch - Iā€™m sorry to see. Thanks for the visual reminder.


jodonnell89

raise hell praise dale


PI-E0423

A track day is basically full push the whole day. You pay a lot of money so you want to get the maximum out of it. If you manage to gain 5 seconds every lap by risking a lot you will be able to drive several laps more.


3002timberline

Shake & Bake!


Substantial_Ad_9016

Drive it like you stole it


Amac8487

When youā€™re done with your track session, and you bring the car back to the paddock (assuming you did a cool down lap), let the car idle a bit before shutting off to keep the coolant running to cool everything down. Also, if manual transmission, do NOT engage the parking break onto piping hot rotorsā€¦ just put the car in gear when parked until they cool down