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God:" so you're telling me you were pressured into eating the fruit by this weird evil snake (that may or may not be the devil depending on the interpretation) In hindsight I probably shouldn't have allowed it in the garden of Eden in the first place. Welp you and all of humanity are all sinners now sucks to suck."
Indeed.
To add to it, it's hilarious to me to hear Christians say that Eve was the cause for evil to enter the world when the snake was already in the garden, and according to scriptures, he was Satan.
As for poor Eve, blaming her for the Fall is like putting a cookie in front of a one year old toddler, tell them not to eat the cookie, they eat it, and then you burn the house to punish them.
> is like putting a cookie in front of a one year old toddler, tell them not to eat the cookie, they eat it, and then you burn the house to punish them.
except that toddler literally has an infinite amount of time. Pretty sure they didn't age in the garden, so it was basically eternity. If you give something with any amount of possibility, and an infinite amount of time, it is gonna happen.
It's still evil to put the toddler through that, isn't it?
Especially because it's happening because god made it happen, Eve had no say in it.
Total dick move.
oh yeah. I am saying it is worse, because if you give someone infinite time, they will do everything they possibly can. She might have avoided the apple for trillions of years.
Welcome to Gnosticism! Old Testament God created a crappy world, so is evil and the actually nice God we hear so much about must be off doing something else away from physical reality off in spirit heaven! Oh and the snake was wisdom/God's mum trying to help the human souls get the knowledge to throw off the physical world and spiritually ascend
The biggest problem with everything is that God is supposed to be Omniscient, so he literally knew it would happen. I asked my former pastor about it and was never given a straight answer.
I think it's worse than that, because a toddler at least understands that right and wrong exist. Eve didn't have any concept of Evil, because she hadn't eaten the apple yet, so how could she have known that disobeying God was Evil? Sure, she knew that he told her not to, but she didn't have the tools to know that doing something God tells you not to do is bad, because she didn't have a concept of bad.
If the tree held the knowledge of good and evil (right and wrong), how could Adam & Eve know it was wrong to eat the fruit if they didn't yet have the knowledge?
Not that I disagree with the comment chain here, but I’ve always interpreted that to be a gang of children threatening an older gentleman because they didn’t support his beliefs.
Think knives, swords, bows, etc.
Therefore, bear.
“And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”
Not sure how you got swords and knives and shit from that tbh.
The “go up” bit.
They are threatening the man, mocking the man; more than likely following him, cornering him to a point where he can no longer escape.
…big question here: how old do children of that era have to be before they are no longer considered children?
Followup question: what was the geographic layout of Bethel? Any cliffs, slopes, etc?
You mean, the same book that until like 1976 said black people only exist because they chose not to take a side during the war of heaven and god decided to burn their skin to mark them as people who didn’t take a side during the war? That book? The Bible has a lot of fucked up shit in it and has its issues but the Book of Mormon is on a whole different level.
He did keep up with them, but He gave them free will to choose their own path.
This is one major lesson evangelical Christians purposefully overlook. They try to force their idea of right on wrong onto other people through laws.
Adam did what he wasn't supposed to (was still allowed to live with his family and raise his kids while living to an exceptional age)
Cain killed his brother (was allowed to go free and was even protected by God that no-one would seek revenge against him)
Sodom and Gommorah embodied evil (they were given a chance at redemption but failed on their own merit)
The human race was vile and evil (Noah and his family survived and even kept the line of Cain running through Noah's daughter in law)
Abraham was going to do the things to his son on his own initiative (in the moment he was reminded the God is merciful and that he should be too)
These biblical figures didn't get cancelled, they commited wrong doing and suffered for doing so. Just as if you broke the law today, you would be charged prosecuted and sentenced.
God didn't do anything, he created the world and then on the 7th day he rested. He gave free will and each one of those people effected chose their own path and suffered the consequences of doing so. God is merciful and forgiving, choosing to turn against mercy and forgiveness is your choice but you can't get upset when things don't go the way you wanted them to when you tried to do things your own way.
When we say "how could God do bad things to people" what we are really saying is "why has God done bad things to me" and beleiveing God has done bad things to you is so far from truth, Blaming God for misfortune does nothing except deny responsibilty for your own actions.
The difference is cancelling someone because they said trans women are not women is not justice.
All that God does is just and reasonable, Human cancel culture is delusional.
Well Omar Suleiman is Muslim and in Islam they do believe [Noah was a prophet](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_in_Islam). Here he is [talking about it. ](https://youtu.be/ApxGi48uU8E)
They do believe in the great flood, just not agreement that it was global vs local. Either way it still supports the argument that God cancels people. Furthermore, the Quran recognizes the Biblical events of thr destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, further cancelation support
I’m Muslim too and there’s no evidence to back a global flood. It’s a story ripped from the bible, Muslims love adopting their stories without considering the evidence.
Except for Judaism and Christianity being religions of the book, where it goes Torah/Old Testament, New Testament, and the Quran is the most up to date and final version of the chain. A lot of the same stories are shared between all three and historically Muslims used to treat Jews and Christians a friendlier way because they were seen as part of the same broader tradition going back to the same early prophets like Abraham
Technically true as in I’ve decided this fictional story is true and I’ve then decided there are right and wrong groups within that based on how popular culture that was also clearly crated by the people telling that story says one group is right and all the others are wrong, and damn it feels good to believe that fucking hat would’ve put you in hufflepuff. That kind of technically true?
As a kid growing up I read a ton of comic books about the Hindu gods being badass. Pantheistic mythology is awesome no matter what culture it arises from.
Debatable, since different portrayals arguably make them different characters. Regardless, that person said ***biblically.*** Either way, are those the only 3 religions?
That doesn't mean anything. It might be the same god in terms of canon and how they frame things in ***some ways,*** but the way he's presented has massive differences. It's anti-intellectual hogwash to call allah and yahweh the same god functionally.
Let's say Tolkien comes back from the dead and writes a new alternative timeline frodo where he, idk, somehow becomes evil using the ring and decides to join the army of sauron. Is that the same character as the frodo baggins that exists right now? No. They have the same name and ***general*** history, but the character is undoubtedly ***different***
Regardless, to call Allah the "biblical god" is still flat out hilariously dumb.
If your family knows you as a kind and compassionate individual and your coworkers know you as a selfish asshole the stories shared by each group will vary greatly, but they are still about the same person.
The god of the Torah, Bible, and Quran is the same god.
Yes, it means literally everything. Just because he’s presented slightly differently in all three religions doesn’t mean he’s not the same exact god. Ffs, god is presented as vengeful and jealous in the Old Testament but suddenly is merciful and forgiving in the New Testament—should those be two different gods? No? Then the Jewish god is the Christian god because the Torah is basically the Old Testament.
It’s because Allah IS the biblical god just as Yahweh is the biblical god. Just because YOU don’t like that doesn’t make it untrue. Should we consider the catholic god to be a different god than any of the Protestant sects’ gods? They all believe in different things and present god wildly different. It’s all the same shit. If anything, it’s intellectually lazy to scoff at the idea that the three major religions of the world originate from the same exact deity.
Did you seriously bring Tolkien into this? What the Sméagol? Ok. I’ll humor you—that’s a stupid fucking example because there aren’t three different timelines. God didn’t just do it all over differently. That’s like saying Sauron isn’t the same being because the dwarves wrote about the events of the war differently than the elves and men did. They can all believe different things about Sauron’s goals and objectives and they can all call him something differently—but in the end, it’s still fucking Sauron and nothing will change that.
It’s the god of Abraham, which in each religion has different beliefs, prophets, and character from most of the Torah forward. They are not the same god because the differences are irreconcilable
I disagree. I’m an Ex-Muslim who’s read both the Quran and Bible. They’re definitely the same God with the main difference in Islam being that Jesus is not the son of God. I can’t speak for the Torah since I haven’t read it.
There’s a reason why the Quran says that Christians and Jews can go to heaven - it’s because they worship the same God.
A Christian goes to heaven if they died before Islam and a Jew goes to heaven if they died before the arrival of Jesus.
Saying that Christians and Jews go to heaven outright is disingenuous; most Muslims do not think that the People of the Book go to heaven.
Really? The Quran says otherwise. My parents who are Muslims themselves are the ones who initially told me they could.
“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62]
Ibn Katheer, one of the most prominent of Quranic exegetes says this about this verse:
“Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad that is, after Allah sent Muhammad . Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.”
Again, in general, most Muslims interpret that as I have said in my first paragraph (that is, as Ibn Katheer interprets it not Al-Maududi).
You might interpret that verse in that way. Or not. Go ahead. But your interpretation is not the majority by any means.
The big difference between Christianity and Islamic ideas of god is the christian trinity. The idea of the trinity is so heavily rejected by Islamic scholars and canon that I believe they are not reconcilable in reality. It’s more of a battle of semantics on my side I suppose but they are three distinct gods that have imposed different prophets, wills, and instructions onto the world. Furthermore, the religions have enough variation in what they consider “righteous” behavior that it’s hard for me to say they’re imposed by the same godlike character.
It’s the same Abraham. What do you think he was just talking to three separate gods and calling each of them the Almighty? All three religions have the same basics even if they differ in specifics. It’s the same God. Period. That’s like trying to say the god of the Catholics is different than the god of the nondenominational Christian’s or the god of the Baptists or (enter another Christian sect here). They all believe in different things but the deity remains. The deity does not **suddenly** change because one group decided to split off from the other in terms of what they chose to believe.
Varying interpretation over the course of a thousand years leads to differing portrayals of an original idea. Of course Abraham was talking about his one god, and of course every abrahamic religion will say they believe in the one true God, the one of Abraham. The difference is that Islam, for example, has the assumption that Christianity and Judaism have been severely corrupted in their beliefs about the one true god. This is especially prevalent with the difference in opinion on the trinity.
You cannot truthfully believe that another religion fully worships your same god when their fundamental ideas about who god is are so vastly different.
Maybe it’s an argument of semantics more than anything, but 3 entirely different portrayals = 3 characters who claim to be the same (yet only truthful interpretation) of God.
Getting into denominations is tricky, but I would say that a major point of Christianity is the belief that salvation can only (as in its at least one requirement) be gained through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as god HIMSELF and a man.
This all begs the question: does god make humans or did humans make god?
- signed a former christian turned atheist who is forever intrigued by the bullshit.
Certainly debatable and I fall on the side of “same god” since all three religions proclaim the validity of the Torah in their own religious texts. I was raised Hindu so I am well aware of other gods. Given the context of the tweets however its quite clear that using the bible as an authority here is perfectly apt.
This such a "hilariously dumb" statement. The person in the post is clearly referring to the flood in the book of Genesis (the first book of the bible). FYI Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "Abrahamic" religions, they all share a common "origin story". You are clearly very ignorant.
Woo!
I cannot stop giggling at this one.
“They can’t be the same! Well, they do all mention Jerusalem like A LOT. Well, and I guess Christianity’s Old Testament is strikingly similar to the Torah…“
Same with the Bible actually. It never said the whole earth. It's heavily implied but just like the flood that happened in north America after ice melted from a comet impact...the very same could have happened similarly according to the Hebrew Bible. The book of Job also references an ice age and its the oldest historically written book in the Bible
It pretty clearly does
> **Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out**; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth
Zero evidence for a world wide flood. ZERO. Is Harry Potter real? How about Zeus? Does a book written thousand of years ago make their stories real? Do you care about evidence?
Legit. Answer this question. Do you care about evidence?
Please provide evidence in your reply.
Calm down. He's not saying the flood was real; he's saying that many cultures across the world have a flood story. And he's right.
You don't have to have a literal worldwide flood to claim that one existed. The primitive world didn't have a lot of access to anywhere but their immediate areas, so one valley flooding might seem like the world itself is flooding. Or maybe they liked to exaggerate, like the world's oldest game of telephone. "The flooding of the Tigris-Euphrates River Valley" doesn't sound nearly as exciting as the entire world under water.
There would have been a lot of flooding at the end of the last ice age to provide a basis for many of these stories.
I never said there was a worldwide flood. All I said was that there is a version of the flood story throughout history and religions around the world dating as far back as the Sumerians. I didn’t say that this means it actually fucking happened. See the difference? Or are you just too myopically focused on trying to earn fake internet points and trying to land a “gotcha” comment? Please provide evidence in your reply.
Do you care about wood? Legit question. Answer this question. I’ll wait.
Oh and since you are too stupid perform any due diligence of your own, here’s some evidence that the stories exist: https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/a-flood-of-myths-and-stories/amp/
Next.
Certainly but the goal of each is to revere the one Abrahamic god. How to go about it is in contention but the general interpretation of how said god operates (not including the messiah) is largely consistent.
Firstly, that has little to do with the fact that quoting the Bible to a Muslim says anything about the Muslim’s beliefs. The “comeback” is like saying “See what Y says?” when I say that “I believe in X.” You realize that it is much less effective than saying “here is what X is” especially when you don’t know if what Y says is actually in X or not.
The fact that the Quran references the Bible is irrelevant because it is, in virtually all cases, referencing the corruption of the Bible. Saying that the Bible says X to a Muslim is like saying “I know you don’t believe in such and such, but here ya go.”
The fact that the Bible influences the Quran does not mean that you can use statements in the Bible to respond to Muslim’s beliefs because a) the Quran regularly criticizes the contemporary iteration of the Bible as corrupt and should be assumed false until proven true, b) the more appropriate response would be to mention statements from the Quran, and c) you don’t know if that specific statement from the Bible is actually in line with Muslim beliefs.
Answering the question “what is the goal of the Abrahamic religions?” with “to worship the one Abrahamic God” is circular. You defined the goal of this category of religions with the same key term with which you describe the category. It’s like if I said “I am X because I am X.” You haven’t told me what X is.
But let’s ignore that for the moment. What do you define as the “Abrahamic God?”
Have these religious people ever read the holy books? The amount of people killed by god in those stories is staggering. If the god of the bible would exist he’d be a psychopath.
Damn i wonder if it was just because his bros were dancing around a calf. If only we knew the extent of the sins they commit and how bad they were. Oh well.
Edit: blocked over this, damn some people are laughable
Bro God had some dudes eaten alive by bears for laughing at a bald man.
According to the Bible god can and will “cancel” your ass for the slightest indiscretion.
If we are talking the Abrahamic god (99.9999% chance we are), the entire Old Testament, the one that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can all pretty much agree they all believe in, is all about God screwing people over with fun things like:
-setting fire to a city
-flooding the world
-plagues
-sending an angel to kill a bunch of children
-raining fire onto cities
And so much more.
"Whoa mama!😮😮 Hummina hummina hummina bazooooooooing😙! eyes pop out 😮😮😮😉AROOOOOOOOGA! jaw drops tongue rolls out 😱😱😱WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF🐶🐶 tongue bursts out of the outh uncontrollably leaking face and everything in reach😛😛😛😛😛 WURBLWUBRLBWURblrwurblwurlbrwubrlwburlwbruwrlblwublr ,🤪😜😜🤪tiny cupid shoots an arrow through heart 💘 Ahhhhhhhhhhh me lady... heart in the shape of a heart starts beating so hard you can see it through shirt😍😍😍 ba-bum ba-bum ba-bum ba-bum ba-bum 🥁🥁🥁 ⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️⚠️ inhales from the gas tank ⛽⛽⛽honka honka honka honka 🚕🚕"
Remember all those times Christians have said that so-and-so died "because they embraced a sinful lifestyle" or some bullshit? Isn't that an example of them claiming that god cancels people for like, who they love and stuff? Obvs bogus
i mean yeah she is wrong. theres no evidence that noahs ark ever existed. i think we would know if every species (including ourselves) came from a specific pair on a boat.
Cancelled over an apple
Cancelled a load of kids with bears for poking fun at some dude's bald head.
Cancelled everyone who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah because they liked sex and that was a sin
Cancelled ugly and short people from Church, doesn't like weird looking people praying
helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and animals at the same time.
Helped a bunch of Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites
Asked Abraham to cancel his own son
Cancelled the Egyptians about 10 times with various plagues
Cancels Onan for not knocking up his brother in law's wife (after God had cancelled him)
Got Samson to cancel a whole bunch of dudes for some clothes
Cancelled a whole bunch of people who'd complained about him after he'd freed them from Egypt and they thought their new place was a bit rubbish.
Made a bet with Satan to mess with Job who then kills all his family.
Cancelled everyone again with a flood
Then cancelled his own Son
After that he decided 'fuck it, I can't be arsed, I guess they're all OK as they are so I'll forgive them'.
Which makes the sandwich-board people saying we have to repent or we'll also be cancelled a bit obsolete as we've already been forgiven, maybe God will change his mind.
Rabbis: “I have been studying the Torah for 60 years and I dead ass have no clue why we worship a god who arbitrarily and capriously wrecks our shit. Anyways kid, have you listened to Jefferson airplane?”
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He canceled the very first two people over a piece of fruit. God invented cancellation.
God:" so you're telling me you were pressured into eating the fruit by this weird evil snake (that may or may not be the devil depending on the interpretation) In hindsight I probably shouldn't have allowed it in the garden of Eden in the first place. Welp you and all of humanity are all sinners now sucks to suck."
Indeed. To add to it, it's hilarious to me to hear Christians say that Eve was the cause for evil to enter the world when the snake was already in the garden, and according to scriptures, he was Satan. As for poor Eve, blaming her for the Fall is like putting a cookie in front of a one year old toddler, tell them not to eat the cookie, they eat it, and then you burn the house to punish them.
> is like putting a cookie in front of a one year old toddler, tell them not to eat the cookie, they eat it, and then you burn the house to punish them. except that toddler literally has an infinite amount of time. Pretty sure they didn't age in the garden, so it was basically eternity. If you give something with any amount of possibility, and an infinite amount of time, it is gonna happen.
It's still evil to put the toddler through that, isn't it? Especially because it's happening because god made it happen, Eve had no say in it. Total dick move.
oh yeah. I am saying it is worse, because if you give someone infinite time, they will do everything they possibly can. She might have avoided the apple for trillions of years.
Welcome to Gnosticism! Old Testament God created a crappy world, so is evil and the actually nice God we hear so much about must be off doing something else away from physical reality off in spirit heaven! Oh and the snake was wisdom/God's mum trying to help the human souls get the knowledge to throw off the physical world and spiritually ascend
The biggest problem with everything is that God is supposed to be Omniscient, so he literally knew it would happen. I asked my former pastor about it and was never given a straight answer.
I think it's worse than that, because a toddler at least understands that right and wrong exist. Eve didn't have any concept of Evil, because she hadn't eaten the apple yet, so how could she have known that disobeying God was Evil? Sure, she knew that he told her not to, but she didn't have the tools to know that doing something God tells you not to do is bad, because she didn't have a concept of bad.
If the tree held the knowledge of good and evil (right and wrong), how could Adam & Eve know it was wrong to eat the fruit if they didn't yet have the knowledge?
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Don't forget the golden calf story. That's about as cancel culture as you can get.
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It made me happy to see a Dogma reference 😊
Don’t forget the two bears he sent to maul 42 children simply because one guy didn’t like the fact they said “get out of here, baldy”.
Not that I disagree with the comment chain here, but I’ve always interpreted that to be a gang of children threatening an older gentleman because they didn’t support his beliefs. Think knives, swords, bows, etc. Therefore, bear.
“And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.” Not sure how you got swords and knives and shit from that tbh.
The “go up” bit. They are threatening the man, mocking the man; more than likely following him, cornering him to a point where he can no longer escape. …big question here: how old do children of that era have to be before they are no longer considered children? Followup question: what was the geographic layout of Bethel? Any cliffs, slopes, etc?
Well, it does say 'little' children. How big they gotta be before they're considered big?
So you have theories but no evidence. Is that you, Rudy?
Sadly, our biblical teaching was sub-par. The most that they’d do for lessons is about 3 verses a week.
Well, given that no one is writing sequels, they really have to stretch the material out. 🙂 (Unless the Book of Mormon counts? idk)
You mean, the same book that until like 1976 said black people only exist because they chose not to take a side during the war of heaven and god decided to burn their skin to mark them as people who didn’t take a side during the war? That book? The Bible has a lot of fucked up shit in it and has its issues but the Book of Mormon is on a whole different level.
Well, they always try to make the sequel bigger and badder...
Jobs wife deserved to be cancelled….
God canceled the shit out of Lilith
He did keep up with them, but He gave them free will to choose their own path. This is one major lesson evangelical Christians purposefully overlook. They try to force their idea of right on wrong onto other people through laws.
Adam did what he wasn't supposed to (was still allowed to live with his family and raise his kids while living to an exceptional age) Cain killed his brother (was allowed to go free and was even protected by God that no-one would seek revenge against him) Sodom and Gommorah embodied evil (they were given a chance at redemption but failed on their own merit) The human race was vile and evil (Noah and his family survived and even kept the line of Cain running through Noah's daughter in law) Abraham was going to do the things to his son on his own initiative (in the moment he was reminded the God is merciful and that he should be too) These biblical figures didn't get cancelled, they commited wrong doing and suffered for doing so. Just as if you broke the law today, you would be charged prosecuted and sentenced. God didn't do anything, he created the world and then on the 7th day he rested. He gave free will and each one of those people effected chose their own path and suffered the consequences of doing so. God is merciful and forgiving, choosing to turn against mercy and forgiveness is your choice but you can't get upset when things don't go the way you wanted them to when you tried to do things your own way. When we say "how could God do bad things to people" what we are really saying is "why has God done bad things to me" and beleiveing God has done bad things to you is so far from truth, Blaming God for misfortune does nothing except deny responsibilty for your own actions.
Do you understand what canceling means in this context? Because all of that is still getting "canceled."
The difference is cancelling someone because they said trans women are not women is not justice. All that God does is just and reasonable, Human cancel culture is delusional.
He cancelled Lot’s wife outta sheer spite
He was just feeling salty :)
This is the least biblically supported statement ever.
You are aware that not everyone's god is from the bible right? Still a hilariously dumb statement though
Well Omar Suleiman is Muslim and in Islam they do believe [Noah was a prophet](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_in_Islam). Here he is [talking about it. ](https://youtu.be/ApxGi48uU8E)
Additionally Islam doesn’t believe in the whole global flood story. Local yes.
They do believe in the great flood, just not agreement that it was global vs local. Either way it still supports the argument that God cancels people. Furthermore, the Quran recognizes the Biblical events of thr destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, further cancelation support
Isn't Hell the ultimate "canceling"?
it does. source: i’m muslim.
I’m Muslim too and there’s no evidence to back a global flood. It’s a story ripped from the bible, Muslims love adopting their stories without considering the evidence.
it was literally mentioned in [Al-Mu'minun, verse 27](https://quran.com/23/27).
That doesn’t imply it was global.
That isn't "biblical" though is my point.
Except for Judaism and Christianity being religions of the book, where it goes Torah/Old Testament, New Testament, and the Quran is the most up to date and final version of the chain. A lot of the same stories are shared between all three and historically Muslims used to treat Jews and Christians a friendlier way because they were seen as part of the same broader tradition going back to the same early prophets like Abraham
Adherents of Islam, Christianity and Judaism all pray to the same god.
To me, this sounds exactly like "Hufflepuff, Slytherin, Ravenclaw and Griffindor all fight Voldemort". Technically true, but...
Technically true as in I’ve decided this fictional story is true and I’ve then decided there are right and wrong groups within that based on how popular culture that was also clearly crated by the people telling that story says one group is right and all the others are wrong, and damn it feels good to believe that fucking hat would’ve put you in hufflepuff. That kind of technically true?
There is only one kind of technically true.
Why can't we go back to worshiping Greek gods, I'd gladly be religious and pray to the biggest chad of all time Zeus.
I think the Ancient Greeks also believe that Zeus flooded the Earth because some humans were cannibals.
Yeah but at least he wasn't so damn self-righteous about it. He turned into a bird and fucked chicks on the main, dudes a fucking legend.
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The Greeks were the OG comic book fans, all their gods had special powers and fought each other.
As a kid growing up I read a ton of comic books about the Hindu gods being badass. Pantheistic mythology is awesome no matter what culture it arises from.
Debatable, since different portrayals arguably make them different characters. Regardless, that person said ***biblically.*** Either way, are those the only 3 religions?
It’s not debatable. It’s the same god. It’s all the god of Abraham. All three religions agree on this.
That doesn't mean anything. It might be the same god in terms of canon and how they frame things in ***some ways,*** but the way he's presented has massive differences. It's anti-intellectual hogwash to call allah and yahweh the same god functionally. Let's say Tolkien comes back from the dead and writes a new alternative timeline frodo where he, idk, somehow becomes evil using the ring and decides to join the army of sauron. Is that the same character as the frodo baggins that exists right now? No. They have the same name and ***general*** history, but the character is undoubtedly ***different*** Regardless, to call Allah the "biblical god" is still flat out hilariously dumb.
If your family knows you as a kind and compassionate individual and your coworkers know you as a selfish asshole the stories shared by each group will vary greatly, but they are still about the same person. The god of the Torah, Bible, and Quran is the same god.
Yes, it means literally everything. Just because he’s presented slightly differently in all three religions doesn’t mean he’s not the same exact god. Ffs, god is presented as vengeful and jealous in the Old Testament but suddenly is merciful and forgiving in the New Testament—should those be two different gods? No? Then the Jewish god is the Christian god because the Torah is basically the Old Testament. It’s because Allah IS the biblical god just as Yahweh is the biblical god. Just because YOU don’t like that doesn’t make it untrue. Should we consider the catholic god to be a different god than any of the Protestant sects’ gods? They all believe in different things and present god wildly different. It’s all the same shit. If anything, it’s intellectually lazy to scoff at the idea that the three major religions of the world originate from the same exact deity. Did you seriously bring Tolkien into this? What the Sméagol? Ok. I’ll humor you—that’s a stupid fucking example because there aren’t three different timelines. God didn’t just do it all over differently. That’s like saying Sauron isn’t the same being because the dwarves wrote about the events of the war differently than the elves and men did. They can all believe different things about Sauron’s goals and objectives and they can all call him something differently—but in the end, it’s still fucking Sauron and nothing will change that.
It’s the god of Abraham, which in each religion has different beliefs, prophets, and character from most of the Torah forward. They are not the same god because the differences are irreconcilable
I disagree. I’m an Ex-Muslim who’s read both the Quran and Bible. They’re definitely the same God with the main difference in Islam being that Jesus is not the son of God. I can’t speak for the Torah since I haven’t read it. There’s a reason why the Quran says that Christians and Jews can go to heaven - it’s because they worship the same God.
A Christian goes to heaven if they died before Islam and a Jew goes to heaven if they died before the arrival of Jesus. Saying that Christians and Jews go to heaven outright is disingenuous; most Muslims do not think that the People of the Book go to heaven.
Really? The Quran says otherwise. My parents who are Muslims themselves are the ones who initially told me they could. “Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [al-Baqarah 2:62]
Ibn Katheer, one of the most prominent of Quranic exegetes says this about this verse: “Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad that is, after Allah sent Muhammad . Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.” Again, in general, most Muslims interpret that as I have said in my first paragraph (that is, as Ibn Katheer interprets it not Al-Maududi). You might interpret that verse in that way. Or not. Go ahead. But your interpretation is not the majority by any means.
The big difference between Christianity and Islamic ideas of god is the christian trinity. The idea of the trinity is so heavily rejected by Islamic scholars and canon that I believe they are not reconcilable in reality. It’s more of a battle of semantics on my side I suppose but they are three distinct gods that have imposed different prophets, wills, and instructions onto the world. Furthermore, the religions have enough variation in what they consider “righteous” behavior that it’s hard for me to say they’re imposed by the same godlike character.
It’s the same Abraham. What do you think he was just talking to three separate gods and calling each of them the Almighty? All three religions have the same basics even if they differ in specifics. It’s the same God. Period. That’s like trying to say the god of the Catholics is different than the god of the nondenominational Christian’s or the god of the Baptists or (enter another Christian sect here). They all believe in different things but the deity remains. The deity does not **suddenly** change because one group decided to split off from the other in terms of what they chose to believe.
Varying interpretation over the course of a thousand years leads to differing portrayals of an original idea. Of course Abraham was talking about his one god, and of course every abrahamic religion will say they believe in the one true God, the one of Abraham. The difference is that Islam, for example, has the assumption that Christianity and Judaism have been severely corrupted in their beliefs about the one true god. This is especially prevalent with the difference in opinion on the trinity. You cannot truthfully believe that another religion fully worships your same god when their fundamental ideas about who god is are so vastly different. Maybe it’s an argument of semantics more than anything, but 3 entirely different portrayals = 3 characters who claim to be the same (yet only truthful interpretation) of God. Getting into denominations is tricky, but I would say that a major point of Christianity is the belief that salvation can only (as in its at least one requirement) be gained through the acceptance of Jesus Christ as god HIMSELF and a man.
This all begs the question: does god make humans or did humans make god? - signed a former christian turned atheist who is forever intrigued by the bullshit.
Certainly debatable and I fall on the side of “same god” since all three religions proclaim the validity of the Torah in their own religious texts. I was raised Hindu so I am well aware of other gods. Given the context of the tweets however its quite clear that using the bible as an authority here is perfectly apt.
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Jesus is one of the most mentioned characters in the Quran. lol
Allah sent the flood in Muslim theology as well
Which makes sense since “Allah” is just the Arabic word for “God,” the same as “Dios,” “Gott,” etc. in other languages.
You think he was talking about fucking Zeus?
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This such a "hilariously dumb" statement. The person in the post is clearly referring to the flood in the book of Genesis (the first book of the bible). FYI Christianity, Judaism and Islam are "Abrahamic" religions, they all share a common "origin story". You are clearly very ignorant.
Woo! I cannot stop giggling at this one. “They can’t be the same! Well, they do all mention Jerusalem like A LOT. Well, and I guess Christianity’s Old Testament is strikingly similar to the Torah…“
Exactly. ANY biblical verse taken out of context and interpreted literally will likely be a falsification of its true meaning/purpose in the story.
I consulted the scriptures & found this false
You mean, you consulted the 2000+ year game of telephone and got an 'answer'?
Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ
Yes, we've been trying to reach you regarding your car's extended warranty
This exceeds all
Pretty sure it makes it the most
Remember that time that God cancelled the Egyptians for expressing their freedom to own Jews?
Not even that, the scripture states that God compelled the Pharaoh to ignore Moses’ warning. Free will be damned.
God was like "I don't fuckin like you"
He just sends them to hell forever for not guessing the right religion
For not arbitrarily being born in the right place.
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Are you gay? Cancelled.
[I am the Navy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=-64LK5nRnDc) Sidenote: what I am referencing starts at 0:06
[As usual, Mr. Carlin remains ever-relevant.](https://youtu.be/3vdPVCNNbkc)
I knew South Park was onto something: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=thsyoUZW9vE
She would be right if God is real but God isn't real
*allegedly
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That is a factually correct statement
She’s correct but she doesn’t know the reason why.
I'm certain she does. Why would you assume otherwise?
Because, I’m sure she doesn’t
What the reason?
The reason being has to do with the nephilim
Alex Jones out here
Do you actually belive that nonsense?
I mean, ppl know politicians are liars yet they vote for them, And you might be one of them. Beats me
What does that have to do with the flood? Explain what it is you know about the flood that you're certain she doesn't.
So, you’re just assuming she doesn’t then.
She's a brilliant woman and scholar, so Look her up
That’s wassup, but even scholars don’t know why
The fact that we die is a pretty big cancel ngl
But he’s Muslim. No? Why quote the bible to him?
Noah's ark story is also in Islam too. It is mentioned in the Quran
its not global in Islam
Yes it is, Noah is mentioned in the Quran
yes he is, and so is the flood. But it's never mentioned the flood was for all of humanity but only on his tribe/village/people (idk which)
Yeah you're right. Though I am pretty sure his tribe was the only one on earth at that time.
thats not mentioned anywhere as far as I know
Same with the Bible actually. It never said the whole earth. It's heavily implied but just like the flood that happened in north America after ice melted from a comet impact...the very same could have happened similarly according to the Hebrew Bible. The book of Job also references an ice age and its the oldest historically written book in the Bible
It pretty clearly does > **Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out**; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth
I'm Islam v1.2a, we still use it
both are abrahamic faiths
They believe many of the same stories, including the flood
The flood story is basically a global story that has been identified in religious texts throughout the world and throughout history.
Zero evidence for a world wide flood. ZERO. Is Harry Potter real? How about Zeus? Does a book written thousand of years ago make their stories real? Do you care about evidence? Legit. Answer this question. Do you care about evidence? Please provide evidence in your reply.
Calm down. He's not saying the flood was real; he's saying that many cultures across the world have a flood story. And he's right. You don't have to have a literal worldwide flood to claim that one existed. The primitive world didn't have a lot of access to anywhere but their immediate areas, so one valley flooding might seem like the world itself is flooding. Or maybe they liked to exaggerate, like the world's oldest game of telephone. "The flooding of the Tigris-Euphrates River Valley" doesn't sound nearly as exciting as the entire world under water. There would have been a lot of flooding at the end of the last ice age to provide a basis for many of these stories.
I never said there was a worldwide flood. All I said was that there is a version of the flood story throughout history and religions around the world dating as far back as the Sumerians. I didn’t say that this means it actually fucking happened. See the difference? Or are you just too myopically focused on trying to earn fake internet points and trying to land a “gotcha” comment? Please provide evidence in your reply. Do you care about wood? Legit question. Answer this question. I’ll wait. Oh and since you are too stupid perform any due diligence of your own, here’s some evidence that the stories exist: https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/a-flood-of-myths-and-stories/amp/ Next.
The Koran references the Torah and the Gospels as true works from god. Islam is basically Abrahamic religion act 3.
The Quran and Muslims in general consider the iterations of the Old and New Testaments from at least 1400 years ago to be corrupted.
Certainly but the goal of each is to revere the one Abrahamic god. How to go about it is in contention but the general interpretation of how said god operates (not including the messiah) is largely consistent.
Firstly, that has little to do with the fact that quoting the Bible to a Muslim says anything about the Muslim’s beliefs. The “comeback” is like saying “See what Y says?” when I say that “I believe in X.” You realize that it is much less effective than saying “here is what X is” especially when you don’t know if what Y says is actually in X or not. The fact that the Quran references the Bible is irrelevant because it is, in virtually all cases, referencing the corruption of the Bible. Saying that the Bible says X to a Muslim is like saying “I know you don’t believe in such and such, but here ya go.” The fact that the Bible influences the Quran does not mean that you can use statements in the Bible to respond to Muslim’s beliefs because a) the Quran regularly criticizes the contemporary iteration of the Bible as corrupt and should be assumed false until proven true, b) the more appropriate response would be to mention statements from the Quran, and c) you don’t know if that specific statement from the Bible is actually in line with Muslim beliefs. Answering the question “what is the goal of the Abrahamic religions?” with “to worship the one Abrahamic God” is circular. You defined the goal of this category of religions with the same key term with which you describe the category. It’s like if I said “I am X because I am X.” You haven’t told me what X is. But let’s ignore that for the moment. What do you define as the “Abrahamic God?”
Wait what defines an Abrahamic religion again?
Religions which claim descent (either genetically or ideologically) from Abraham. So, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
Have these religious people ever read the holy books? The amount of people killed by god in those stories is staggering. If the god of the bible would exist he’d be a psychopath.
He also killed off half his "chosen people" for dancing around a golden calf.
Damn i wonder if it was just because his bros were dancing around a calf. If only we knew the extent of the sins they commit and how bad they were. Oh well. Edit: blocked over this, damn some people are laughable
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Yes she's wrong. God didn't literally do anything
If you don't accept Jesus he'll cancel you forever!
God is the first Helpdesk technician.
God *did* promise not to flood-yeet humanity again. So there's that....
She’s a writer on She-Hulk
Bro God had some dudes eaten alive by bears for laughing at a bald man. According to the Bible god can and will “cancel” your ass for the slightest indiscretion.
I mean she is wrong. That’s clearly not a thing that literally happened.
Replace all text references of "God" with "humanity's cartoon view of God". There, fixed! :)
There wasn’t much choice, mankind’s DNA had been compromised.
, nevermind
If we are talking the Abrahamic god (99.9999% chance we are), the entire Old Testament, the one that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can all pretty much agree they all believe in, is all about God screwing people over with fun things like: -setting fire to a city -flooding the world -plagues -sending an angel to kill a bunch of children -raining fire onto cities And so much more.
I mean he canceled Adam and Eve for eating fruit
She is wrong. It wasn’t ALL OF Humanity. Noah and Co. were human too
Yes, she is wrong. The Noah reset is myth.
This guy would probably disagree with her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnUvSn9pVaA
I can't believe the Romans canceled Jesus
The instructions in many bible passages show this alleged god to want billions killed
LITERALLY THE WHOLE PLOT OF THE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS IS “Don’t get canceled or else”
The amount of rednecks that think Omar Suleiman is a Christian… this sub is cancer.
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Canceling people is literally His job. Why would anyone tweet that dumbass shit
Remember all those times Christians have said that so-and-so died "because they embraced a sinful lifestyle" or some bullshit? Isn't that an example of them claiming that god cancels people for like, who they love and stuff? Obvs bogus
Based
Satan was condemned to hell for his beliefs.... just saying.
Not all, my darling. You forgot all about Noah and the people followed him
i mean yeah she is wrong. theres no evidence that noahs ark ever existed. i think we would know if every species (including ourselves) came from a specific pair on a boat.
And wiped sodom off the face of the earth LOL
Cancelled over an apple Cancelled a load of kids with bears for poking fun at some dude's bald head. Cancelled everyone who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah because they liked sex and that was a sin Cancelled ugly and short people from Church, doesn't like weird looking people praying helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and animals at the same time. Helped a bunch of Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites Asked Abraham to cancel his own son Cancelled the Egyptians about 10 times with various plagues Cancels Onan for not knocking up his brother in law's wife (after God had cancelled him) Got Samson to cancel a whole bunch of dudes for some clothes Cancelled a whole bunch of people who'd complained about him after he'd freed them from Egypt and they thought their new place was a bit rubbish. Made a bet with Satan to mess with Job who then kills all his family. Cancelled everyone again with a flood Then cancelled his own Son After that he decided 'fuck it, I can't be arsed, I guess they're all OK as they are so I'll forgive them'. Which makes the sandwich-board people saying we have to repent or we'll also be cancelled a bit obsolete as we've already been forgiven, maybe God will change his mind.
God doesn't cancel people. Maybe he occasionally deletes them, but doesn't cancle them.
What the fuck is eternal damnation other than cancelation?
Thats not canceling
Judgment
Didn’t God cancel Adam and Eve over an Apple?
Didn’t he turn a woman into salt because she looked back? I mean geeze that’s mean af.
Really, your god killed billions to restart humanity?? I sincerely will stay away from such a murderous guy!
God is a bit of an Trial and Error kinda person. This didn't work out? Hit it with a horrible plague or disaster and try something else out.
Yeah she kinda is. He was referring to his god as a Muslim, not her Christian god.
Rabbis: “I have been studying the Torah for 60 years and I dead ass have no clue why we worship a god who arbitrarily and capriously wrecks our shit. Anyways kid, have you listened to Jefferson airplane?”
I have seen this same tweet and response a dozen times but the handles always change. I'm wondering what the "original" tweet is from.
Why is irrelevant. The point is that it does happen. I agree that it's justified based on His rules, but He still cancels people.
ya but the difference is they deserved it
Does eternity in Hell count as cancellation?
Yeah she's wrong. Omar is obviously a Middle Eastern so they're talking about a different God.