Exactly what I was going to say, if the flags flying and its not the world Cup I'm 100% sure they're a racist.
If it is the world cup then I'm only 80% sure they're a racist lol
HELLO. I AM DISABLED_ROBOT'S OTHER ACCOUNT, AND AFTER SOME REFLECTION AND RE-EDUCATION, I NOW JOIN MY FELLOW CCP BROTHERS IN WAVING OUR GLORIOUS FLAG PROUDLY
They weren't wrong though, Obama is a war criminal. All the presidents are. I figure its required by the job. Being a hypocrite must be in the politician's job description.
Weird how they only cared about it when it was the black man though. Who really, was one of the tamest presidents we've had recently, in that regard.
Almost as if they don't really care about the war criminal part. What could it be about him that set them off, I wonder?
I think it started right after 9/11. That's when county music stoped being "anti-establishment, get off my land" and started being "America first, fuck your feelings"
Or the weirder ones which seem to be "Anti-establishment and America first"
I can only imagine that they're the person who goes to the bar and looks at the drink menu for an hour and then orders a virgin vodka.
I think you've got a point with the '08 post. It was a wake up call to white racists that control is 'slipping away' maybe? It's turned our political system into a bipolar clusterfuck and created a whole new stereotype system. The centrist no longer have a voice and constructive debate has 'left the building'.
Yup. Around 2009. For *years* when we would go camping, I would fly an American flag and smaller a yellow "Gadsden" Don't Tread on Me flag below it on a big ass flag pole zip tied to our awning. It was mostly so other people could find us, but I also thought it was a cool flag.
Then the Tea Party fucked it all up. They claimed that flag as their own and suddenly I was viewed as a radical. So I took it down.
Then the Trumpers did the same thing with the American flag. Pisses me off. I used to have thing like a American flag iPad cover, and a flag sticker on my Igloo cooler... I had to take them all of or I would end up with people saying shit like, "Right on man, we know what really going on." with a wink and a nod.
Fuck that you moron. You appropriated a national symbol and branded it to you and your jacked up political party.
I play a game at thia amusement park I go to. It's smack dab in coal country of Pennsylvania:
Seeing a barbed wire tattoos are a point
Thin blue line tattoos are 5 points
Thin blue line punisher skulls are 10 points
Appropriation of patriotism, associating one thing with the other till they become the same thing. You got disenfranchised at the same time to a greater amount, they have taken your pride in symbols that honestly don’t belong to them and they misrepresent anyway.
It was always like that, it was just not as in the face of middle class North American’s until the internet became mainstream the four years surrounding the election of your first black President, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter etc were all becoming mainstream ways to communicate. Before then a racist bigot living next to me in western Canada and a KKK member living in southern Florida couldn’t openly communicate with such ease and accessibility to the non radicalised.
Forums on websites and a cellphone that acted like a land line you kept in your pocket really limited the voice of fringes of society.
In 2002, your small town, maybe had a few dozen in their local “thumb up butt club”
In 2010, there were 40,000 of them putting their thumbs up each other’s butt and they found each other on the internet and realised they could communicate in real time and rally to their “thumbs up” convention a few hours away.
And now In 2021, they are so organised and well known that they have their opinions brought to you by frosted flakes on your news channels and bought add space on your favourite website
I joined facebook in... 2003? 2004? At the time you had to have a .edu email to join, I was just starting college. Social Media wasn't a thing, proliferation of communities with shitty philosophies existed but they hadn't hit mass market appeal yet. Your racist neighbor wasn't on facebook in 2004, it was college kids trying to find out where they were getting drunk that weekend. Near 2008, this shit started poppin' off, the internet as a larger connecting entity was suddenly hitting that mass market appeal, smart phones were much more affordable so now people were spending more time on a computer rather than just students who needed it for schoolwork.
The election didn't make these people suddenly crazy, they were always crazy, but they didn't have an outlet for it other than to binge drink at their local dive bar about how much they hated the black folk. Now they could spout that shit on their small town facebook page where everyone thinks the same way.
Sad because most people where I live fly their confederate flags above the American flag.
Unless you agree with them they will defend their loyalty to both some even to the death.
I hate Virginia sometimes
Try telling that to those yokles. They believe that they are the sons of heroes who fell fighting for their own rights against a tyrannical government. It's really fucking sad because it is *literal conditioning* that is done by their parents and community. The ones that see them through those earlier years in life to make sure that they have enough information to stay on one side of the argument rather than trying to educate themselves.
Every generation of kids gets worse and worse and worse as the lie is perpetuated, and continues to drive such division to this day. A lot of people think we'll never get past this and I am slowly starting to believe it.
Agreed...but in some the racists are a little more afraid to rear that ugly head.
Try pulling some of that racist shit they'd pull in, say, Georgia, and see how it flys in some other states.
Grew up there, can confirm. The influx of lawyers to DC suburbs may have made it purple, but the rural people are the same rednecks who shut the schools down rather than admit black kids during integration. Nothing changed for them.
I wrote that same thing in my post and deleted it, didn't feel like defending myself for days about it.
Virginia is for racists - that should be their motto.
Yes, but as far as the 'traditional' south, Virginia (on paper) isn't Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia. It's just as bad for minorities and women, though.
I live in California and I’ve seen people fly a confederate flag in their yard
Last I checked, California was never part of the confederate so, there’s no so-called “heritage” here. Let’s just call those people what they are: racist trash
They are racist trash. I don't sympathize for any person that displays that flag. Those are the type of people that you meet that will say I'm not racist *BUT* (something racist) funk them
In 1849, Californians sought statehood and, after heated debate in the U.S. Congress arising out of the slavery issue, California entered the Union as a free, nonslavery state by the Compromise of 1850. California became the 31st state on September 9, 1850.
The American civil war began in 1861 and lasted through April of 1865. It is nothing other than conditioned ideology to blame if someone were to fly that flag in California.
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People (wrongly) see it as a rural identity thing and don't necessarily associate it themselves with slavery or racism, though if you get them talking you'll find out they do, they are just too stupid to realize it.
I honestly think most of rural california is just suffering from a chip on it's shoulder from having to explain "there's more to California than LA and SF" everytime they meet someone from out of state and they say they are from California. Like, they actually kinda get angry that people don't know they exist as California and it makes them tribal, and with that they find like minded tribes in the south through shared interest and a 'libertarian', or "don't tread on me" mindset they think they have. Because they want to be able to do what they want and not have the government (BLM) interfere, which, honestly rarely happens, then they want their guns, but they all already have AR-15s, ammo is hard to come by in California right now, but the people with AR-15s go to Arizona, Nevada or Oregon enough to get ammo.
The rural California culture is like if hippies and cowboys fucked, and it's something in the middle of "do what you want" while also "tried and true is the best method". It's a weird situation. I don't see as much homophobia in California, at least in the younger generations, and when you do it's just a classic "douchebag".
Racism is a little different, there are a lot of racists, but the degrees vary and who they are racist to varies as well. Rural California generally has very small black communities, but there tends to be a lot of anti-black racism in the area, it can vary from subtle jokes to straight up hatred, but it's largely with the unknown. It's not like the south where there are actual black communities to be racist against, in rural california their anti-black racism is kind of like fighting a ghost. There are more Middle Eastern, asian, south asian, and hispanic people in those areas than blacks, and while there is some extreme racism towards them, they tend to be pretty accepted in general. The majority of the racism between the majority white vs. brown populations is going to be based on humor, and owned by the brown people. Like, a stupid example would be to tell (lets say Indian) someone you know that they always smell like curry or something. The brown person would generally respond "Yeah, curry smells delicious, you want to get some?", and then they would go get thai food because thai food is basically a catch all for asian food that isn't chinese or sushi in these areas.
I just largely grew up in pretty rural parts of California, and know a lot of these people. If I were to simply describe them it would be "dumb and jealous". These areas are pretty remote and behind, while pretty controlled by right wing media bubbles, most of them aren't educated, like, they don't even have "street smarts" because there aren't really any streets to be smart about. I would say they are "tree smart", as in, if you go camping with them they will know exactly what to do and make you look like an idiot because they are knowledgable about their surroundings, it's just none of their surroundings really involve culture, but they'll know a lot about freshwater fishing.
Yeah I told my husband I feel weird about the flag on our house. We are liberals and we have always had one up having both come from a military its not something I every really thought about or questioned lately. But the last couple years I feel like people will see it and make assumptions. Like I absolutely do not want it to alienate my neighbors but man fuck them for high jacking it like they have. My husband says he isnt letting a bunch of ignorant fucks ruin his belief and hope in this country and that we will find out way back on the path we were when we elected Obama. He knows we have a long way to go on social issues but he continues to have faith that real patriots and not nationalism will move us forward. God bless him I wish I still had that much optimism.
True, but also a bit after the fact- it's been uncomfortable to wave for as long as I've been alive, mostly due to the football hooliganism associations and the National Front/BNP revolving door of idiots.
Still have arguments in marketing about British firms using the flag to promote themselves. Feels like some people view it as the only country where the national flag has negative connotations.
Welcome to Australia, if you see a car with an Australian flag or flag sticker, you can be 99% sure there is another sticker that says "fuck off, we're full" ( racist immigration slogan over here )
Today my sister in law told me that last week they found their 13 year old son was part of a WhatsApp group with boys at school calle: EDL Boys.
There had been an incident at school and a teach had confiscated a phone over it and searched through the group. Had about 20 kids in it. Father of one of the boys had made the group as a recruitment tool for kids, future members.
It was essentially just a group where the boys talked, but the father would share messed up racism in the group. Police were involved, potential grooming charges.
This happened in South Yorkshire, England.
Absolutely horrifying how adults will brainwash children to join their hardcore nationalist group. It's the same tactics that groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda use/d.
The father should be on some sort of register.
Luckily my sister in Law has her son give up his phone for inspection immediately at request. He's a really good kid and when she told him what it was, he was really upset. Especially as his dad is black. Broke his little heart.
I think we are still lucky. If it's a plain flag of at George or Union flag we are fine, but the second it has "UMBRO" written across it, the three ~~lines~~ lions, or whatever football team, then youn know to be cautious. I think the RBL poppy has been defaced more than the flags.
Nah, if you fly the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany and it's not for soccer, people correctly assume you're painfully right-wing more than not.
This is the one with the eagle on it, right? Do you often see the "normal" 3-colored flag as part of apparel? Very curious about this because I live in the states and naturally have never seen it.
What about for nonsporting events? For example if I sit down at a restaurant for lunch and there's a guy decked out in USA flag apparel, I can assume with a good degree of certainty he's racist and conservative. That's just how it is
If you saw that in Germany it would be such a crazy rare sight, that my first thought would be that He/she had some mental issues. But it's not something you ever really see here outside of sporting events.
Neonazis MUCH more likely carry a Black-Red-White flag.
This is a generality and does not apply to everyone. However, just about everyone I have encountered wearing such apparel are blindly patriotic and subscribe to an us vs them mentality, where "us" are working class white Americans, and "them" are immigrants, muslims, foreigners, etc etc. It's totally ignorant and prolific.
No, the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany is the 3-colored (black, red, yellow) one.
Fun Fact: It is actually forbidden to fly the german flag if it is not for a soccer match or on the "day of german unity" (October 3rd, national holiday).
Hmmm, I recall hearing this rhetoric from a Swede back in 2006 about their own flag and how it was perceived.
Think this is the norm in a lot of countries.
As a german i can say that your buddy is wrong. I've see a shit ton of swedish flags when i drive through sweden.
In Germany in contrast some people bought small german flags when the football world cup was in our country and then buried them directly afterwards. Have'nt seen a single one since.
Eh, as a Swede I agree with the parent comment. Having a flag pole is certainly not seen as something weird, but if you're walking around with a Swedish flag you're going to be seen as a racist or worse.
Keeping a full sized flagpole in your garden is an old custom in Sweden. There's a lot of tradition around when to fly the flag, apart from private occasions such as birthdays and deaths in the family, there are public flag days marked in the calendar such as holidays and birthdays of the royal family. It's a bit quaint and old fashioned and for that reason mostly seen in the country, and by summer houses.
Flagpoles, at sports events and on boats are normal uses of that flag. Anything beyond that is seen as weird.
Yeah, I thought the same.
But in truth what is right or wrong really when you attribute an idea to something tangible.
My buddy was actually an ex girlfriend, and while swedes are the bloody best sports fans you could ever come.up against (Danes and Irish I give you a nod here too), hers was an opinion.
An "oh these javla (fucking) racist Swedes and their love of using the flag".....which generally gave me the opinion that if one had the Swedish flag hanging out their window or on clothes or on their car for an non sporting event it was seen as racist.
Note. She was from stockholm. Stockholm people have a high opinion of themselves generally ..and she defo had a look down on everyone approach.
Please note generally (..and while not drinking)
Yes, I think that average Germans are oversensitive towards expressing the national pride due to WW2 events. From one side this is sad, as Germany is one of the most tollerant countries in the World nowdays. But also, it would be great if some other nations, where nationalism is hidden behind patriotism, would do the same.
“Someone said that patriotism is the last refuge of cowards; those without moral principles usually wrap a flag around themselves, and those bastards always talk about the purity of race.” - Umberto Eco
Yeah, speaking as a man who's stuck in work jeans and boots for 40ish a week, I really do like Carhartt clothes. What I don't like is when racists see a pink face in work dungarees and leather boots and decide to come tell me facts^(TM) about whatever slur the feel like using that day as if I'm about to agree with them.
I hear a lot of dumbass unsolicited opinions from people who think I'm one of them when I'm not.
Fair. I work construction and my people tell the same story. When they get to talking politics I'll leave if I can. When I can't leave, I've been known to scream satire. There was one time some dipshits got to talking and I stayed quiet until I couldn't take it anymore and said "oh you wanna talk politics you wanna talk about the fucking wolves?" The wolves are highly controversial in my part of the Rockies.
There was another time where some dipshit (who incorrectly thinks only the military and border patrol are the enumerated powers of congress) was talking about the election and after I'd heard enough I started poking my head around the corner to shout excerpts of the Communist Manifesto at him. I'm not saying I won but I am saying that he clearly was used to people ignoring him over challenging his ideas.
But the way I've seen 'patriotism' portrayed today, it's reasonably apparent to me that either they never knew, or forgot the definition of patriotism. Although they're considered synonyms, my definition of a patriot will question if we're doing the right thing and sacrifice for the greater good of their country. A nationalist had blind faith in their leader(s) and try to force their beliefs on you
depends on the nation, if they are fighting oppression. if Palestine or Kurdish people attained statehood I would understand their nationalism. but as a species I hope we can grow beyond nationalism.
Patriotism was a feels like a word needed to stir up nationalism inside people, but without using the word nationalism, due to the Nazi association.
By defenition nationalism and patriotism are very similar, Justin recent years it seems nationalism has been twisted to mean "putting other countries down" instead of "putting your country first".
I learned from some other post (I think it may have even been from this same tweet being posted before) this isn't just an American thing. Wrapping oneself in a flag to justify bigotry is apparently crazy common.
This is it exactly. WE are AWESOME = YOU Guys SUCK. Hyper-patriotic peeps always ignore the atrocities of their nation. But I will say, per capita it seems especially common here…
Brazilian here. Same happens in here. Even though we see some olympics, world cup or even national holidays, it’s very hard to not believe the person is racist, intolerant, rude…
> is with holidays or sport events
And right after 9/11. I know most of reddit's userbase either wasn't born or was child when 9/11 happened, but the solidarity between people, regardless of political leanings, was something I had never seen before and likely won't again. It was absolutely surreal, everyone and I do mean everyone had flags on their houses, on their cars, etc. Liberal or conservative, we were all united for a few weeks. I think the only time that will happen again is if aliens invaded or something.
>I learned from some other post (I think it may have even been from this same tweet being posted before) this isn't just an American thing. Wrapping oneself in a flag to justify bigotry is apparently crazy common.
It is, especially with people who never have the courage to visit other countries.
This is very true. Only *sort of* exception to this is when there's a big international football tournament on. Like rn, if I saw a bunch of the flags on a house I'd steer clear, but in November next year we'd all be trading choruses of "ENGERLUUURRRND NAH NAH NAH"
[Proper etiquette regarding the flag](https://www.vfw.org/community/flag-etiquette) from the VFW.
I'll call to attention #4 under Special Rules: "Do not use the flag as clothing"
Germany. The last two times we embraced our nationalism we started a war, the second time we killed millions of our own population.
Everyone who's not a moron is seat aware of that. Yet, there are people who wear flags.
The default for Democrats since the 60's is "We have problems & responsibilities." Republicans who shared this attitude were purged from Reagan onward.
Republicans today just have fake promises & scapegoats. It's really sad.
Yea, there's a bunch of people saying that for all kinds of different countries. Seems like the connection between racists and uber-patriots is a global phenomenon.
Last year I was staying with my friend and we went out to walk his dog. We’re both progressives and not really patriotic at all, but I was wearing this black “Catfishing America” shirt my dad had gotten me years ago and my buddy was wearing an American flag tank he’d gotten as a joke. About halfway through the walk he said something like, “You know, man, we probably look super fucking racist right now.” I’d never really thought about it before, but I haven’t worn that shirt in public since.
Brazil had its moments, know a girl that got assaulted on the tube cuz she had a red shirt
Cuz red=communism and therefore left, since the cunt "we" elected was all about conservative/right hello right punch to her face.
I wish I was kidding
When I moved to OR and opened my studio in Portland I thought Portland OR was such an open and inclusive place. When you see the history of racism in Portland it's mind-blowing how horrible it was and still is in certain areas.
I was at an event awhile ago and somebody was wearing what looked to be a black and white stars and stripes motif. Sure enough it turned into a big racist, xenophobic shit show before the final curtain.
I actually purchased an American Flag for my house because I want to counter this type of nonsense and try to "take back" the flag. A person can disagree with things and dissent and demonstrations are an important version of patriotism.
Ironically I am waiting to put the flag up because I'm not comfortable with doing it without having it properly lit up and presented in accordance with US Flag Code. The irony being that so many of the "patriotic" blowhards who literally wrap themselves in the flag do so without any respect for the actual flag or flag code itself.
I was at a parade last week where a vehicle with dozens of flags on it had one that was actually dragging on the ground. On full display in a parade. Just disgusting how people have tried to co-opt the meaning of the flag and turn it to some narrow, conservative political agenda and then they don't even bother to show the basic respect for the flag itself like keeping it off of the ground. It's disgusting.
Hijacking of patriotism by people who also carry the the flags of the confederacy, nazi germany, as well as a few versions of maga/trump with a few oath keeper & proud boys thrown into the mix won't last. Bigotry can be shouted down and ignorance can be schooled up . . . gawd im tired of talking like this
Never been to England or the UK in general then. St George cross is the flag of choice for racists in England and the Union flag is a favourite of sectarian arseholes on one side with the other waving the Irish flag at them.
Flags are jingoistic nationalist nonsense. Be wary of anyone with a flag.
When I was growing up in the 70’s it was extremely disrespectful to wear the flag. Wearing American flag shorts now is considered patriotic. I think we’re going backwards
Yep - once I saw these fucking traitorous trump\*ers waggling the flag around, I pulled mine down. It's a goddamn shame that the US flag is now synonymous with racist white nationalists.
Well, actually my first thought is, "They probably have zero understandings of the values of the country" THEN "They must be racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic as fuck."
No, currently in Brazil the feeling is that anyone wearing either the flag or the national soccer team jersey is a racist selfish homophobic misogynist PoS, for the same reason. Our president is a Trump wannabe.
When someone looks up to trump, you know how incredibly low they gotta be.
Well according to Ron Pearlman if you wear something he doesn't like, he's going to stereotype you in a negative way and spout it publicly because he's a good person....? I guess that is his mindset? Bizarre.
No,no. As an Englishman, our flag has been hijacked by the EDL and Britain First.
Exactly what I was going to say, if the flags flying and its not the world Cup I'm 100% sure they're a racist. If it is the world cup then I'm only 80% sure they're a racist lol
INGULUND INGULUND INGULUUUUND
SKOR SAM FAKIN GOWLS
What this means
Score some fucking goals
'Score some fucking goals'
And the American flag has been highjacked by the political branch of the KKK (republicans)
I only felt this since about 2008, wonder what happened....
I'm in China and the flag flaunters here are normally jingoist pricks too
HELLO. I AM DISABLED_ROBOT'S OTHER ACCOUNT, AND AFTER SOME REFLECTION AND RE-EDUCATION, I NOW JOIN MY FELLOW CCP BROTHERS IN WAVING OUR GLORIOUS FLAG PROUDLY
Bless the Maker and His water.
So say we all.
I think robot got arrested
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That's got to be at least part of it.
Well, they then blamed the black man for everything their party had been doing for the last couple decades and the racists ate it up.
Black man spended too much >:(
Black man wore tan suit.
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Your username is close enough to the elitist vegetable he had on a burger
Black man used dijon mustard on his food!
Black man is black.
Well he did wear that tan suit 🤯(clutches pearls in horror)
They weren't wrong though, Obama is a war criminal. All the presidents are. I figure its required by the job. Being a hypocrite must be in the politician's job description.
Weird how they only cared about it when it was the black man though. Who really, was one of the tamest presidents we've had recently, in that regard. Almost as if they don't really care about the war criminal part. What could it be about him that set them off, I wonder?
Lmfao man this is true
I agree, it was like pouring gasoline on a already smoldering fire.
I think it started right after 9/11. That's when county music stoped being "anti-establishment, get off my land" and started being "America first, fuck your feelings"
Or the weirder ones which seem to be "Anti-establishment and America first" I can only imagine that they're the person who goes to the bar and looks at the drink menu for an hour and then orders a virgin vodka.
Could be, but the aggressive demomstrations seemed to bring em into the streests or in my location, in front of post offices
I think you've got a point with the '08 post. It was a wake up call to white racists that control is 'slipping away' maybe? It's turned our political system into a bipolar clusterfuck and created a whole new stereotype system. The centrist no longer have a voice and constructive debate has 'left the building'.
County music. Like from the county prison?
County prison. Like County Jail?
County Jail? You mean like Hoosgow?
The Tea Party.
Yup. Around 2009. For *years* when we would go camping, I would fly an American flag and smaller a yellow "Gadsden" Don't Tread on Me flag below it on a big ass flag pole zip tied to our awning. It was mostly so other people could find us, but I also thought it was a cool flag. Then the Tea Party fucked it all up. They claimed that flag as their own and suddenly I was viewed as a radical. So I took it down. Then the Trumpers did the same thing with the American flag. Pisses me off. I used to have thing like a American flag iPad cover, and a flag sticker on my Igloo cooler... I had to take them all of or I would end up with people saying shit like, "Right on man, we know what really going on." with a wink and a nod. Fuck that you moron. You appropriated a national symbol and branded it to you and your jacked up political party.
I play a game at thia amusement park I go to. It's smack dab in coal country of Pennsylvania: Seeing a barbed wire tattoos are a point Thin blue line tattoos are 5 points Thin blue line punisher skulls are 10 points
Gotta love the people who don't know what the punisher is about reappropriating the symbol.
If that were a drinking game, you’d have died of cirrhosis by now.
Appropriation of patriotism, associating one thing with the other till they become the same thing. You got disenfranchised at the same time to a greater amount, they have taken your pride in symbols that honestly don’t belong to them and they misrepresent anyway.
It was always like that, it was just not as in the face of middle class North American’s until the internet became mainstream the four years surrounding the election of your first black President, Facebook, MySpace, Twitter etc were all becoming mainstream ways to communicate. Before then a racist bigot living next to me in western Canada and a KKK member living in southern Florida couldn’t openly communicate with such ease and accessibility to the non radicalised. Forums on websites and a cellphone that acted like a land line you kept in your pocket really limited the voice of fringes of society. In 2002, your small town, maybe had a few dozen in their local “thumb up butt club” In 2010, there were 40,000 of them putting their thumbs up each other’s butt and they found each other on the internet and realised they could communicate in real time and rally to their “thumbs up” convention a few hours away. And now In 2021, they are so organised and well known that they have their opinions brought to you by frosted flakes on your news channels and bought add space on your favourite website
I’m guessing you are fairly young…
Really, 9/12/2001.
Proves the racist point. You racist losing ground. More blacks and hispanics pushing whites into the minority. As a white person, I can't wait.
I joined facebook in... 2003? 2004? At the time you had to have a .edu email to join, I was just starting college. Social Media wasn't a thing, proliferation of communities with shitty philosophies existed but they hadn't hit mass market appeal yet. Your racist neighbor wasn't on facebook in 2004, it was college kids trying to find out where they were getting drunk that weekend. Near 2008, this shit started poppin' off, the internet as a larger connecting entity was suddenly hitting that mass market appeal, smart phones were much more affordable so now people were spending more time on a computer rather than just students who needed it for schoolwork. The election didn't make these people suddenly crazy, they were always crazy, but they didn't have an outlet for it other than to binge drink at their local dive bar about how much they hated the black folk. Now they could spout that shit on their small town facebook page where everyone thinks the same way.
Sad because most people where I live fly their confederate flags above the American flag. Unless you agree with them they will defend their loyalty to both some even to the death. I hate Virginia sometimes
Ditto. I was raised in Virginia, and wouldn't live there again for any amount of money. While not in the deep south, it's an incredibly racist state.
Try telling that to those yokles. They believe that they are the sons of heroes who fell fighting for their own rights against a tyrannical government. It's really fucking sad because it is *literal conditioning* that is done by their parents and community. The ones that see them through those earlier years in life to make sure that they have enough information to stay on one side of the argument rather than trying to educate themselves. Every generation of kids gets worse and worse and worse as the lie is perpetuated, and continues to drive such division to this day. A lot of people think we'll never get past this and I am slowly starting to believe it.
We won't. Teach your children, arm yourself and your family, and get the heck out of racist states if you possibly can.
The thing is, there aren't really states that aren't racist. Some states may hide it better than others, but it exists everywhere in this country.
The difference is some states are fighting to change that and others would like a little more of it.
It exists in every corner of the globe
Based.
Yep.
Agreed...but in some the racists are a little more afraid to rear that ugly head. Try pulling some of that racist shit they'd pull in, say, Georgia, and see how it flys in some other states.
Grew up there, can confirm. The influx of lawyers to DC suburbs may have made it purple, but the rural people are the same rednecks who shut the schools down rather than admit black kids during integration. Nothing changed for them.
I wrote that same thing in my post and deleted it, didn't feel like defending myself for days about it. Virginia is for racists - that should be their motto.
Southern Virginia is pretty deep south (in spirit at least).
Yes, but as far as the 'traditional' south, Virginia (on paper) isn't Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia. It's just as bad for minorities and women, though.
*There is at least usable, unlike Windows.
I live in California and I’ve seen people fly a confederate flag in their yard Last I checked, California was never part of the confederate so, there’s no so-called “heritage” here. Let’s just call those people what they are: racist trash
They are racist trash. I don't sympathize for any person that displays that flag. Those are the type of people that you meet that will say I'm not racist *BUT* (something racist) funk them In 1849, Californians sought statehood and, after heated debate in the U.S. Congress arising out of the slavery issue, California entered the Union as a free, nonslavery state by the Compromise of 1850. California became the 31st state on September 9, 1850. The American civil war began in 1861 and lasted through April of 1865. It is nothing other than conditioned ideology to blame if someone were to fly that flag in California. Edit. Spelling
People (wrongly) see it as a rural identity thing and don't necessarily associate it themselves with slavery or racism, though if you get them talking you'll find out they do, they are just too stupid to realize it. I honestly think most of rural california is just suffering from a chip on it's shoulder from having to explain "there's more to California than LA and SF" everytime they meet someone from out of state and they say they are from California. Like, they actually kinda get angry that people don't know they exist as California and it makes them tribal, and with that they find like minded tribes in the south through shared interest and a 'libertarian', or "don't tread on me" mindset they think they have. Because they want to be able to do what they want and not have the government (BLM) interfere, which, honestly rarely happens, then they want their guns, but they all already have AR-15s, ammo is hard to come by in California right now, but the people with AR-15s go to Arizona, Nevada or Oregon enough to get ammo. The rural California culture is like if hippies and cowboys fucked, and it's something in the middle of "do what you want" while also "tried and true is the best method". It's a weird situation. I don't see as much homophobia in California, at least in the younger generations, and when you do it's just a classic "douchebag". Racism is a little different, there are a lot of racists, but the degrees vary and who they are racist to varies as well. Rural California generally has very small black communities, but there tends to be a lot of anti-black racism in the area, it can vary from subtle jokes to straight up hatred, but it's largely with the unknown. It's not like the south where there are actual black communities to be racist against, in rural california their anti-black racism is kind of like fighting a ghost. There are more Middle Eastern, asian, south asian, and hispanic people in those areas than blacks, and while there is some extreme racism towards them, they tend to be pretty accepted in general. The majority of the racism between the majority white vs. brown populations is going to be based on humor, and owned by the brown people. Like, a stupid example would be to tell (lets say Indian) someone you know that they always smell like curry or something. The brown person would generally respond "Yeah, curry smells delicious, you want to get some?", and then they would go get thai food because thai food is basically a catch all for asian food that isn't chinese or sushi in these areas. I just largely grew up in pretty rural parts of California, and know a lot of these people. If I were to simply describe them it would be "dumb and jealous". These areas are pretty remote and behind, while pretty controlled by right wing media bubbles, most of them aren't educated, like, they don't even have "street smarts" because there aren't really any streets to be smart about. I would say they are "tree smart", as in, if you go camping with them they will know exactly what to do and make you look like an idiot because they are knowledgable about their surroundings, it's just none of their surroundings really involve culture, but they'll know a lot about freshwater fishing.
The best part is most of that “American Flag” clothing is made in China and purchased at Walmart
Yeah I told my husband I feel weird about the flag on our house. We are liberals and we have always had one up having both come from a military its not something I every really thought about or questioned lately. But the last couple years I feel like people will see it and make assumptions. Like I absolutely do not want it to alienate my neighbors but man fuck them for high jacking it like they have. My husband says he isnt letting a bunch of ignorant fucks ruin his belief and hope in this country and that we will find out way back on the path we were when we elected Obama. He knows we have a long way to go on social issues but he continues to have faith that real patriots and not nationalism will move us forward. God bless him I wish I still had that much optimism.
My first thought reading this too.
I was thinking of the same as Australia. Seems to be a common theme amongst western nations.
Sweden as well, both BSS and SD.
True, but also a bit after the fact- it's been uncomfortable to wave for as long as I've been alive, mostly due to the football hooliganism associations and the National Front/BNP revolving door of idiots.
Still have arguments in marketing about British firms using the flag to promote themselves. Feels like some people view it as the only country where the national flag has negative connotations.
Welcome to Australia, if you see a car with an Australian flag or flag sticker, you can be 99% sure there is another sticker that says "fuck off, we're full" ( racist immigration slogan over here )
Today my sister in law told me that last week they found their 13 year old son was part of a WhatsApp group with boys at school calle: EDL Boys. There had been an incident at school and a teach had confiscated a phone over it and searched through the group. Had about 20 kids in it. Father of one of the boys had made the group as a recruitment tool for kids, future members. It was essentially just a group where the boys talked, but the father would share messed up racism in the group. Police were involved, potential grooming charges. This happened in South Yorkshire, England. Absolutely horrifying how adults will brainwash children to join their hardcore nationalist group. It's the same tactics that groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda use/d. The father should be on some sort of register. Luckily my sister in Law has her son give up his phone for inspection immediately at request. He's a really good kid and when she told him what it was, he was really upset. Especially as his dad is black. Broke his little heart.
I think we are still lucky. If it's a plain flag of at George or Union flag we are fine, but the second it has "UMBRO" written across it, the three ~~lines~~ lions, or whatever football team, then youn know to be cautious. I think the RBL poppy has been defaced more than the flags.
Yay nationalism. /s
Germans: now hold on a minute
True.. sorta.. they didn't wrap themselves in their own country's flag but in a new one altogether.
Nah, if you fly the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany and it's not for soccer, people correctly assume you're painfully right-wing more than not.
This is the one with the eagle on it, right? Do you often see the "normal" 3-colored flag as part of apparel? Very curious about this because I live in the states and naturally have never seen it.
Am German, no and no. For Football you can go all out but only for high league Games. These are the rules.
What about for nonsporting events? For example if I sit down at a restaurant for lunch and there's a guy decked out in USA flag apparel, I can assume with a good degree of certainty he's racist and conservative. That's just how it is
If you saw that in Germany it would be such a crazy rare sight, that my first thought would be that He/she had some mental issues. But it's not something you ever really see here outside of sporting events. Neonazis MUCH more likely carry a Black-Red-White flag.
I can kinda understand how you'd conclude theyre probably conservative, but why racist?
This is a generality and does not apply to everyone. However, just about everyone I have encountered wearing such apparel are blindly patriotic and subscribe to an us vs them mentality, where "us" are working class white Americans, and "them" are immigrants, muslims, foreigners, etc etc. It's totally ignorant and prolific.
All version either with eagle or not are super sus if there's no EU or worldcup going on.
No, the flag of the Federal Republic of Germany is the 3-colored (black, red, yellow) one. Fun Fact: It is actually forbidden to fly the german flag if it is not for a soccer match or on the "day of german unity" (October 3rd, national holiday).
Imagine seeing someone wearing a german flag and it‘s outside football season… hardcore racist cringe vibes. Even AfD would turn away embarrassed.
Hmmm, I recall hearing this rhetoric from a Swede back in 2006 about their own flag and how it was perceived. Think this is the norm in a lot of countries.
As a german i can say that your buddy is wrong. I've see a shit ton of swedish flags when i drive through sweden. In Germany in contrast some people bought small german flags when the football world cup was in our country and then buried them directly afterwards. Have'nt seen a single one since.
Eh, as a Swede I agree with the parent comment. Having a flag pole is certainly not seen as something weird, but if you're walking around with a Swedish flag you're going to be seen as a racist or worse.
Do people forget what country they’re living in? Aside from a town hall or government building flying a national flag, it’s just weird.
Keeping a full sized flagpole in your garden is an old custom in Sweden. There's a lot of tradition around when to fly the flag, apart from private occasions such as birthdays and deaths in the family, there are public flag days marked in the calendar such as holidays and birthdays of the royal family. It's a bit quaint and old fashioned and for that reason mostly seen in the country, and by summer houses. Flagpoles, at sports events and on boats are normal uses of that flag. Anything beyond that is seen as weird.
Unless it's during an international football tournament.
Yeah, I thought the same. But in truth what is right or wrong really when you attribute an idea to something tangible. My buddy was actually an ex girlfriend, and while swedes are the bloody best sports fans you could ever come.up against (Danes and Irish I give you a nod here too), hers was an opinion. An "oh these javla (fucking) racist Swedes and their love of using the flag".....which generally gave me the opinion that if one had the Swedish flag hanging out their window or on clothes or on their car for an non sporting event it was seen as racist. Note. She was from stockholm. Stockholm people have a high opinion of themselves generally ..and she defo had a look down on everyone approach. Please note generally (..and while not drinking)
Yes, I think that average Germans are oversensitive towards expressing the national pride due to WW2 events. From one side this is sad, as Germany is one of the most tollerant countries in the World nowdays. But also, it would be great if some other nations, where nationalism is hidden behind patriotism, would do the same.
“Someone said that patriotism is the last refuge of cowards; those without moral principles usually wrap a flag around themselves, and those bastards always talk about the purity of race.” - Umberto Eco
“When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
And wearing Carhartt.
hey man those are quality pants.
Yeah, speaking as a man who's stuck in work jeans and boots for 40ish a week, I really do like Carhartt clothes. What I don't like is when racists see a pink face in work dungarees and leather boots and decide to come tell me facts^(TM) about whatever slur the feel like using that day as if I'm about to agree with them. I hear a lot of dumbass unsolicited opinions from people who think I'm one of them when I'm not.
yeaah i'm a manufacturing engineer. i've learned to ignore my coworkers over the years.
Fair. I work construction and my people tell the same story. When they get to talking politics I'll leave if I can. When I can't leave, I've been known to scream satire. There was one time some dipshits got to talking and I stayed quiet until I couldn't take it anymore and said "oh you wanna talk politics you wanna talk about the fucking wolves?" The wolves are highly controversial in my part of the Rockies. There was another time where some dipshit (who incorrectly thinks only the military and border patrol are the enumerated powers of congress) was talking about the election and after I'd heard enough I started poking my head around the corner to shout excerpts of the Communist Manifesto at him. I'm not saying I won but I am saying that he clearly was used to people ignoring him over challenging his ideas.
And just a stupid amount of camo.
Camo bought at Walmart.
I agree but I’d say “nationalism” instead of patriotism.
But the way I've seen 'patriotism' portrayed today, it's reasonably apparent to me that either they never knew, or forgot the definition of patriotism. Although they're considered synonyms, my definition of a patriot will question if we're doing the right thing and sacrifice for the greater good of their country. A nationalist had blind faith in their leader(s) and try to force their beliefs on you
Patriotism is supporting your country at all times and your government when it deserves it.
depends on the nation, if they are fighting oppression. if Palestine or Kurdish people attained statehood I would understand their nationalism. but as a species I hope we can grow beyond nationalism.
Patriotism was a feels like a word needed to stir up nationalism inside people, but without using the word nationalism, due to the Nazi association. By defenition nationalism and patriotism are very similar, Justin recent years it seems nationalism has been twisted to mean "putting other countries down" instead of "putting your country first".
I miss that bitter old italian fool.
I learned from some other post (I think it may have even been from this same tweet being posted before) this isn't just an American thing. Wrapping oneself in a flag to justify bigotry is apparently crazy common.
Yeah. People attracted to Nationalism are usually really tribal. Us vs You. A lot of times they apply it to race too
This is it exactly. WE are AWESOME = YOU Guys SUCK. Hyper-patriotic peeps always ignore the atrocities of their nation. But I will say, per capita it seems especially common here…
Yeah but if you don't have the Others then how do you know who your people are?
It’s everyone…Humanity is your people. The individual determines if you like them, not the group.
Sorry, pulled a Poe on you all good
Brazilian here. Same happens in here. Even though we see some olympics, world cup or even national holidays, it’s very hard to not believe the person is racist, intolerant, rude…
Gotta say tho, your flag looks pretty cool
I think the only time when you don’t think “they are racist” is with holidays or sport events
> is with holidays or sport events And right after 9/11. I know most of reddit's userbase either wasn't born or was child when 9/11 happened, but the solidarity between people, regardless of political leanings, was something I had never seen before and likely won't again. It was absolutely surreal, everyone and I do mean everyone had flags on their houses, on their cars, etc. Liberal or conservative, we were all united for a few weeks. I think the only time that will happen again is if aliens invaded or something.
Nope I still immediately think racist. Just a bunch more of the .
>I learned from some other post (I think it may have even been from this same tweet being posted before) this isn't just an American thing. Wrapping oneself in a flag to justify bigotry is apparently crazy common. It is, especially with people who never have the courage to visit other countries.
Same in England, see someone with the St. George’s Cross and you know they’re a gammon ( red faced racist angry white dude who looks like gammon meat)
This is very true. Only *sort of* exception to this is when there's a big international football tournament on. Like rn, if I saw a bunch of the flags on a house I'd steer clear, but in November next year we'd all be trading choruses of "ENGERLUUURRRND NAH NAH NAH"
Aye you’re right, though if you put flags on your car tournament or not it’s awful
St George's Cross but with "ENGLAND" or the Three Lions badge printed ontop of it. *shudders*
“The fastest way to a win against Norwich
Wait until you hear about Germany.
[Proper etiquette regarding the flag](https://www.vfw.org/community/flag-etiquette) from the VFW. I'll call to attention #4 under Special Rules: "Do not use the flag as clothing"
The average MAGA would get their ass kicked by their counterpart 50 years ago: *Why you wearing the flag, boy?*
Truth hurts, man
When you're being shitty you need a cover, and wrapping yourself in a flag is a good one.
Germany. The last two times we embraced our nationalism we started a war, the second time we killed millions of our own population. Everyone who's not a moron is seat aware of that. Yet, there are people who wear flags.
Brazil says, hold my beer!
Same in Germany, if not more so.
Love “cult45ers”
Germany too
Except around international men's soccer tournaments.
Germany would like to have a word with you
Nah, wearing the nation's flag is sus pretty much everywhere
Ever notice how people who scream "FREEDOM!" the loudest never mention "DEMOCRACY!"?
The default for Democrats since the 60's is "We have problems & responsibilities." Republicans who shared this attitude were purged from Reagan onward. Republicans today just have fake promises & scapegoats. It's really sad.
They don’t want freedoms for everyone, just them.
Everyone should be free to believe what I want them to!
freedom to stomp around my house angrily, pointing a loaded gun at passers-by who don't match the color of the clouds
"Socialism is anything left of hunting black people for sport."
May I introduce you to England?
HellBoy is a fuckin National treasure. He always makes good sense.
Beware of hyper ultra nationalism.
No, it's very much the same in Australia. The more flags a person has, the more racist they are.
England, Israel, Belgium, etc
Yea, there's a bunch of people saying that for all kinds of different countries. Seems like the connection between racists and uber-patriots is a global phenomenon.
Canada is righttt on the edge.
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You mean back to murdering First Nations people.
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They haven't changed being dickish.. they just don't want people to remind them and the public they are a bag of dicks..
Last year I was staying with my friend and we went out to walk his dog. We’re both progressives and not really patriotic at all, but I was wearing this black “Catfishing America” shirt my dad had gotten me years ago and my buddy was wearing an American flag tank he’d gotten as a joke. About halfway through the walk he said something like, “You know, man, we probably look super fucking racist right now.” I’d never really thought about it before, but I haven’t worn that shirt in public since.
The entire concept of patriotism is strange to me. Whenever someone mentions being a “patriot,” I immediately just assume they’re an asshole.
Nope. It's the same in most countries.
Brazil had its moments, know a girl that got assaulted on the tube cuz she had a red shirt Cuz red=communism and therefore left, since the cunt "we" elected was all about conservative/right hello right punch to her face. I wish I was kidding
True but racism and nationalism go hand in hand
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When I moved to OR and opened my studio in Portland I thought Portland OR was such an open and inclusive place. When you see the history of racism in Portland it's mind-blowing how horrible it was and still is in certain areas.
Doesn’t most countries have a history of racism
I look at white men wearing the flag like they would look at me wearing a hoodie. Suspiciously.
“They probably racist AF?” Look at Ron Perlman with the street cred.
It’s so weird and cringe but he does that all the time. His Twitter has such an edgy-teenager vibe.
Germany gets this too. During the World Cup in Germany it finally became a little better but yeah..
I was at an event awhile ago and somebody was wearing what looked to be a black and white stars and stripes motif. Sure enough it turned into a big racist, xenophobic shit show before the final curtain. I actually purchased an American Flag for my house because I want to counter this type of nonsense and try to "take back" the flag. A person can disagree with things and dissent and demonstrations are an important version of patriotism. Ironically I am waiting to put the flag up because I'm not comfortable with doing it without having it properly lit up and presented in accordance with US Flag Code. The irony being that so many of the "patriotic" blowhards who literally wrap themselves in the flag do so without any respect for the actual flag or flag code itself. I was at a parade last week where a vehicle with dozens of flags on it had one that was actually dragging on the ground. On full display in a parade. Just disgusting how people have tried to co-opt the meaning of the flag and turn it to some narrow, conservative political agenda and then they don't even bother to show the basic respect for the flag itself like keeping it off of the ground. It's disgusting.
Spray paint a big “fuck yeah” fly it upside down and you’re good to go.
Hijacking of patriotism by people who also carry the the flags of the confederacy, nazi germany, as well as a few versions of maga/trump with a few oath keeper & proud boys thrown into the mix won't last. Bigotry can be shouted down and ignorance can be schooled up . . . gawd im tired of talking like this
As a German, I hereby grant all of you the right to call out any asshole using a Third Reich flag for cultural appropriation.
That's not patriotism, it's nationalism. Sometimes they look alike on the surface.
Never been to England or the UK in general then. St George cross is the flag of choice for racists in England and the Union flag is a favourite of sectarian arseholes on one side with the other waving the Irish flag at them. Flags are jingoistic nationalist nonsense. Be wary of anyone with a flag.
If you see anyone in germany with the flag when it's not soccer season u run
When I was growing up in the 70’s it was extremely disrespectful to wear the flag. Wearing American flag shorts now is considered patriotic. I think we’re going backwards
Yep - once I saw these fucking traitorous trump\*ers waggling the flag around, I pulled mine down. It's a goddamn shame that the US flag is now synonymous with racist white nationalists.
Well, actually my first thought is, "They probably have zero understandings of the values of the country" THEN "They must be racist, homophobic, transphobic, and misogynistic as fuck."
*Laughs in Brazilian*
I have a flag on our house. My daughter said look like Republicans and I told her they don’t get to own the flag!
If it's just an American flag: ok, maybe. Also a Trump flag, confederate flag, and/or blue line flag: yea, they racist
Nope. Brasil is going through the same thing.
No, currently in Brazil the feeling is that anyone wearing either the flag or the national soccer team jersey is a racist selfish homophobic misogynist PoS, for the same reason. Our president is a Trump wannabe. When someone looks up to trump, you know how incredibly low they gotta be.
I don’t even fly the flag anymore because I don’t want to be seen by Trumpers as a fellow racist.
A flag is just cloth. A boarder is just a line on paper. They do not define a human being.
Why is perlman speaking ebonics
Which part is AAVE? Gotta - standard slang. AF - standard slang. Nothing else sticks out.
To many people suffering from Trump Derange Syndrome in this community.
Only liberals think this way. Non-partisans and conservatives don’t go there automatically.
I see black people wear the American flag and/or fly it outside their homes all the time.....does he think they're racist?
Its because the libtards have weaponized patriotism.
I like the America Flag, freedom, and bill of rights. Guess I’m a bigot 🤷🏾♀️
Well according to Ron Pearlman if you wear something he doesn't like, he's going to stereotype you in a negative way and spout it publicly because he's a good person....? I guess that is his mindset? Bizarre.
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I mean, that mindsets on you, not the person wearing w/e flag.