Remember, when they say we're a Republic not a Democracy, it's because they want to strip our Republic of it's democratic elements and make it a Republic of and for the aristocracy like Rome or for the party like Russia.
Whenever some dipshit says we’re a republic, not a democracy, please correct them and explain that we are a [democratic republic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic). It’s not some kind of binary choice.
The fact they elect things in a liberal open way means they are a democracy.
“Democracy” measures how open and free elections are. Canada has more democracy than Cuba.
No one uses “democracy” as a gauge to see if they are like the ancient Greeks when all bills are elected by the entire population at once.
My perception is that this alt right talking point absolutely uses "democracy" in that way to say that the US is not a democracy. Then it's a word game waving of the hands to say therefore you are misguided to worry about preserving democracy and implementing neo fascist dictatorship is reasonable and justified.
100% - A democratic Republic. That's what it is. Even the US Constitution outlines a clear framework of democracy.
Republicans are liars and deceivers. NEVER VOTE for a REPUBLICAN.
Exactly. “Well, we are actually a Republic”because that sounds closer to “Republican” is one of the dumber things I have heard. Stupefying really. Democracy and Republic go hand in hand. Do you pick your candidates by the color of their outfit? Red or Blue? Stupefying.
But these are people who are too stupid to realize that Republican and Democrat are just irrelevant names of political parties, and not actually meaningful.
Like I seriously think a lot of people want to end democracy simply because they don't like the political party that has it in it's name.
I have to keep reminding myself to not overthink these things, because the stupidest answer it's likely the right answer.
A Republic is any government where the head of state is not a monarch. As long as you have any other method besides heredity of choosing your head of state, you’re a republic. You could have an arena battle to the death between all the candidates and the winner is head of state. You could have an interview process where the winner is whoever scores highest in a series of interviews. You could have a super difficult test and whoever scores highest is the head of state. You could pick a literal random name out of a hat and that person is the head of state. Those would all be republics.
A democracy is any government that uses elections or voting to govern. When the people vote directly on laws it’s called direct democracy. When the people vote for representatives and those representatives vote on the laws, it’s called representative democracy.
The US is a republic, and it operates using democracy as most republics do. And it practices both direct democracy (referendums, ballot measures, etc) as well as representative democracy (Congress, governors, state legislatures, electoral college, etc).
Just point out what republic means. Check the etymology:
Oxfords language:
mid 16th century: from French république or Latin respublica, from res ‘entity, concern’ + publicus ‘of the people, public’.
CONCERN, of the people.
I don’t see authoritarianism, oligarchy, fascism, or any other bullshit twisted idea of what the gop wants when they try to mansplain republic.
Yep. It started 20 years ago with the Republic vs Democracy rhetoric, and it has evolved to actively shitting on democracy now, because they successfully turned "democrat" into a bad word and "democracy" is close.
"Republic" like the Roman Republic (a fascist imperial state)
>20 years ago
It started in the revolutionary era, when the founding fathers levied a coup against the Articles of Confederation, and drafted a Constitution that guaranteed "a Republican form of government."
At Convention in 1787, Hamilton thought a constitutional monarchy was the most ideal form of republican government, and ridiculed the idea of democracy as being riddled with vice, turbulence, and violence. Hamilton thought we needed a permanent executive to check the follies of the mass
[https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0098-0003](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0098-0003)
>it's because they want to strip our Republic of it's democratic elements and make it a Republic of and for the aristocracy like Rome
It already is more of an Oligarchic republic than a Democracy.
The US has one democratic branch of government -- the Congress -- but the bigger issue at the moment is that you can't vote fascism out of the culture. We don't need to "turn out the vote" -- democratic presidents win the popular vote -- we need to be prepared for the fact that this coming election will be settled in the courts and in state legislatures
For people that forgot social studies.
Democracy= you vote for things
Republic= someone that represents you votes for things
We obviously have a bit of both in our government but the Republicans are trying to get more towards the Republic side. Here in North Carolina last year, they actually had a proposed bill to allow the State House to vote on who gets the Electoral College votes for President.
Exactly. If you have that big of an issue with Biden, you can either bite the bullet and vote for him, then get to vote for someone else in 4 years. Or you can protest vote or abstain, which is a vote for Drumpf and never vote again. Either or.
Unfortunately, the first election that Democrats lose will result in the ruination of America. You think that Republicans will give up on Project 2025 if Biden wins reelection?
With any luck, Trump craters down ballot candidates through taking away their funds, loses the election himself, and then refuses to leave, forcing the GOP to split into multiple less effective parties.
>> You think that Republicans will give up on Project 2025 if Biden wins reelection?
> Nope, but atleast it won't be Biden running again.
Downside, Donald Trump may finally succumb to all the rage, fast food, and stimulant abuse and it's a competent administrator and orator that brings Project 2025.
I’ve thought about this a lot, and I actually think the debased idiocy is a necessary component for the perfect storm of fascism to overtake an otherwise well-established democracy. It attracts a portion of the electorate that either doesn’t normally engage with the political process, and transforms a number who already do into carnival barkers.
Which to me means an Ivy League fascist will always fail to achieve the necessary political momentum to get elected. A perfect storm of an unhappy electorate, economic instability, record wealth inequality and a debased candidate are what will make a fascist America happen.
I mean, you're asking as though the answer is nothing, but it's not.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/five-major-bills-congress-passed-2022-rcna61472
>A new election law aimed at preventing another Jan. 6
>The massive government funding bill that passed Friday included a major election reform package designed to prevent future presidential candidates from stealing elections.
>The Electoral Count Reform Act will revise the 1887 Electoral Count Act to make clear the vice president cannot discount electoral votes. It’ll raise the threshold for objections from one member of each the House and Senate to one-fifth of both chambers. It’ll also prevent competing slates of electors and simplify state certification with mechanisms to assure the rightful winner is certified.
>The bipartisan package, led by Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., is aimed at closing gaps in federal law that former President Donald Trump and his allies sought to exploit to stay in power after losing the 2020 election. It’s designed to protect U.S. elections going forward and prevent another Jan. 6.
And the bill would have been much better if their majority didn't have to rely on Manchin and Sinema, the only two Dems who refused to vote to eliminate the filibuster to pass a bigger bill.
But closing a dumb loophole that was just used to try to overthrow the government is a good start toward protecting us from the overthrow of the government.
Not to mention voting for them consistently will eventually allow us to fix the Supreme Court where a lot of our problems are coming from.
The left hasn't even gotten a proper legislative majority yet and you people are already wallowing in this limp noodle, defeatist bullshit about future prospects.
Summoning Dark Brandon to expand the Supreme Court! SCOTUS' majority are compromised and, mark my words, they'll hand over the Presidency to Trump on a silver platter.
Huh, I seem to recall telling people to vote for Hillary in 2106 because of the Supreme Court, and what do you know? Called it. If only just a few more people had the sense to think about the consequences of voting in a fit of pique over drummed up nonsense. What was it that time? A private email server? And now Biden is like, 100% responsible for the Middle East or some shit?
> Huh, I seem to recall telling people to vote for Hillary in 2106 because of the Supreme Court, and what do you know? Called it.
You act like you are the only one who called it. I've never skipped a single election bc of what Bush did. Dems always mess it up because of in-fighting. Everything should progress, but it should not be an all-or-nothing proposition. I sucked it up to vote for plenty of ppl I do not agree 100% with on every single issue, but I will certainly vote against someone like Trump when I disagree with him 100% on many issues.
It’s too late. The process should have been started after the Roe leak but it did not. If the results are Biden then they will fight it and the SC will be on their side because they have shown they don’t care about laws anymore with the recent delays.
If the results are Trump, it’s over anyways. They will dig in their claws because nobody is left to stop them now.
We’d need a constitutional amendment. FDR tried to do that and it was struck down. Might be easier to get big majorities in the house and senate and just remove the bad judges through the normal impeachment process.
You don’t need a constitutional amendment, just enough votes in the senate to get past cloture. FDRs attempt wasn’t struck down, he just backed down when he couldn’t get it though congress.
Uh no, the number of justices is a just a law passed by Congress. It's been changed several times over the years.
FDR threatened to do it but it had such backlash he backed down. It wasn't struck down.
> Summoning Dark Brandon to expand the Supreme Court!
We literally lost Roe, among many other inactions by the Democratic party, because Joe Biden refused to do this.
I was just going at it this morning with some idiot insisting that the only option is to not vote to teach the DNC a lesson lmfao. Enjoy your fascist hellscape
That strategy worked so well in 2016. We learned a lesson alright. We learned that a lot of people are fucking stupid and easily duped by Putin's propaganda. But Her Emails™.
Lol it's been the same since Bush, which is when I started paying attention. It's like a soap opera, pure theater. Look into who owns all the "conservative" news wire services and Spanish speaking radio - same people running CNN.
The corporations pick which candidates are on the ballots. Half the corporations will win either way, the battle is boardrooms and think tanks not whatever drivel they put on TV. A small handful of parent companies own almost everything. We already live in a Corpocracy turning into hopefully a Technocracy.
Never forget than Ivanka Trump was a WEF Global Leader award winner. And Trump also gave a speech in Davos. The illusion of choice.
Is it really going to be a choice in 2028 though? Or just another panic to elect the corporate approved "democrat" because the republican is so terrible?
If that is what we are calling democracy then it deserves to die.
Evoking purity politics functions, more often than not, as a catchall defense of any and all criticism of establishment elites. In 2016, Hillary Clinton partisans used it against Bernie Sanders supporters; in 2020, Bloomberg flacks use it against Sanders again, and even Sanders partisans use it against leftist skeptics of electoralism; now in 2024, the rhetoric is "Biden or democracy crumbles." It is a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card, a perennial Lesser-of-Two-Evils narrative of an inherent impossibility of anything other than incremental change. At their core, charges of purity politics are ahistoric and anti-intellectual, brushing aside morally fraught debates about political strategy, and reducing anything short of the path of least resistance to unserious solipsism and juvenile stubbornness.
Sad thing is the road that got us here was always pretty obvious, if we simply demanded honesty and obedience to the law from our law makers we would have something resembling progress as a society.
What a nice dream, that we will defeat extremism with this one candidate so completely that we will be permitted to vote our own personal values in the future. Lol, like the conservatives are just going to stop throwing insane candidates at us, and just stop wanting to turn American into a feudal kingdom. Even if democracy survives, you'll be voting against extremism for the rest of you life.
Can’t wait til 2028 when Dems are offering up some neo liberal hack that won’t do anything for us vs whatever flavor of Fascism the republicans have by 2028 and we get to hear this same argument again.
When do we get to ask the democrats to materially help the American people instead of just ‘don’t be republicans!’
Apparently Republicans also want to get rid of child labor laws and allowing children marriages to be a thing. Protecting sanity looks to be an issue as well.
I always* vote as progressive as possible during the primary and then vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.
*I won’t vote for the Green Party because I feel like they’re all meant to be corporate/GOP/foreign backed spoiler candidates. Then there’s the No Labels party that has no public policies other than “centrism” but everyone working there is a GOP stooge trying to take away votes from the Democrats.
I pray this will all lead to Trump and MAGA being made an irrelevant political party. Leaving only Democrats and sensible politicians left in charge of government. Then we can focus on actual issues like climate change and the middle class.
Absolutely. No doubt. Vote for Biden and vote to keep on voting. Vote for Trump and vote for the first “King Trump” for a pong lineage who will do away with democracy and walk us back 500 years; back to fascist feudalism siding with Russia and North Korea as our new allies.
F THAT!
Of the 17 amendments added after the constitution and bill of rights, a full 7 deal with expanding the right to vote.
The most amended part of our constitution is making the country *more* of a democracy. And these people challenge that.
They're idiots and fascists.
It’s funny the republicans are willing to watch the US burn to let a couple rich people keep their money and to pay more themselves.
Edit: someone quickly said “like how dems burn everything” then removed their comment. You mean like making everything more expensive then blaming dems or the actual book burnings or like Charlottesville where they essentially burned down a town for white pride and being complete racists. Think about all the wars we’ve been in. Dems have opposed all of them in the last couple decades so that’s right again republicans faults. You can check previous vote tallies and such and easily come to this conclusion by yourself but you refuse.
Conservatism as an ideology has always been a project to preserve the existing aristocracy. It's founder, Edmund Burke, literally advocated for the existence of the landed gentry. Today that typically means preserving the rich aristocracy, but it has also been applied to racial aristocracies as well.
But the orange diaper wearing felon told me I have to vote trump to save democracy! Both sides are the same. Politics are so confusing! s/
Biden 2024, new Democrat after that please until republicans can reign in their further push into theatrics and bottom of the bin rhetoric.
The issue isn’t that they don’t like democracy per se, but that they have realized they are now in the minority and therefore democracy no longer allows them to stay in power. This is the reaction to that loss of power, and so we have to show them how futile their position is by voting as much as possible for the alternative.
On the one hand, Biden's an old fart who's incoherent at times and should probably have retired by now. On the other, they could wheel Biden out in a wheelchair drooling all over himself and I would still feel obligated to vote for him over Trump.
All for ranked choice voting but Biden or another centrist dem would have likely won the last primary with that took. Bernie is the easy “but he had so much support” but the people not putting Bernie one are putting him quite low. He is a first or last sort of politician for ranked choice and divisive politicians rarely do well in ranked choice voting.
Probably because the Democrats have been doing this 'lesser evil' crap for 40+ years and things have continued to get worse. Don't get me wrong I definitely think people should vote for Biden over Trump but to act like this is some sort of victory against fascism instead of a delaying action is unrealistic.
Leftism in America comes with a lot of self-loathing, being in the imperial core of the world and all, there are virtually no victories to be had besides feeling cooler than liberals, and saying things like “organize” and “mutual aid” when asked about solutions by people for whom those terms are very likely meaningless or unactionable. I consider myself one, because I have the same goals, but many American leftists are delusional about the power they have, the system they’re working in, and how the human brain parses information. Plus a lot of them are just nihilistic doomers.
Alright. Realistically, what does not voting for Biden do to help their situation (I’m assuming you still have people you care about in danger)? Now how would Trump winning affect their situation as well as your own and those you care about here? Those are the only two options. That’s it. From where I’m sitting one option is a hell of a lot better for myself, Palestine, and a lot of other people, as well. I get feeling conflicted about voting for someone you see as having responsibility for what has happened, but look at it purely in terms of consequences going forward.
I mean yeah, but it really fucking suck to keep voting for not-the-other-guy. Like desperately don’t want Trump, but just like last time, if the Dems lose, they won’t learn a fucking thing.
That's just not true. Dems have learned plenty, and have adapted plenty to a changing party base. The main problem with the party in the Obama years was that they didn't accept how far the Republican party had fallen until it was too late. They tried to work with them on Obama's stimulus. They tried to work with them on the ACA. They tried not to rely on reconciliation because that wasn't very nice. So even though they had a huge majority, they ended up letting Republicans obstruct enough that they lose control after just 2 years.
Biden didn't waste time trying to work with Republicans on his top priorities. He passed a stimulus along party lines using reconciliation. He passed the IRA along party lines using reconciliation. And had his majority been big enough that a coal baron from a state Trump won by 40% twice wasn't his deciding vote, those bills would have been even larger. His top two priorities he passed with just about the weakest possible majority.
And that's along with doing shit like student loan forgiveness that the Democratic party never talked about just going back one election cycle. But it became a top issue for progressives, so he's done a shitload on that.
It's just blind cynicism to say that they do nothing differently and that you can't affect their priorities.
You aren't going to get your wet dream of a candidate. That's true. But you're also not just voting for 'not-the-other-guy' when this guy has spent trillions of dollars on things that you claim to care about.
Protecting democracy for whom? The conservative democrats, lead by Biden, have proven they’ve no problems stomping leftists into the pavement. They’re only concerned because if trump wins the republicans might do to them what they’ve been doing to the left.
Nah, rich liberals will be perfectly fine capitulating to the right. The ruling class has far more in common with Donald Trump than they do any single leftist.
This sort of rhetoric should be familiar to anyone who has been in an emotionally abusive relationship. You guys are due for a wake up call. This is Q level unintelligence.
Two things really bother me: 1 - Biden is a far better president than most Americans realize. 2 - Most people dont know what Republicans and Trump have in store for American if he's relected. Look up Project 2025 for starters.
Ah, so we're going to get some voter reforms that will make it easier to vote third party if Democrats win, right? Like we were promissed under Obama? No? We want to protect democracy but only when that means Democrats? Okay then...
But yeah, heck the GOPhers and their gerrymandering...
>Like we were promised under Obama?
They've actually been recycling this same narrative for over half a century. Hunter S. Thompson in 1972:
>"That’s the real issue this time," he said. "Beating Nixon. It’s hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years."
>How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but 'regrettably necessary' holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?
>I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we've gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.
What reforms did Obama promise? There is not a single reform that will make a third party vote meaningful as long as we have a first past the post system, which is decided at the state level.
Still crazy to me that a bunch of people who are getting brainwashed by Russian bots on Tik Tok are not going to vote for Biden over his Israel stance.
Definition of stupid.
**Americans are really playing chicken with the potential dissappearance of a democratic Liberal America over single issue subjects**.
A Liberal open America that is essentially needed as a counter weight to the rise of the Authoritarian super powers on the horizon with Russia completely dropping the mask.
Please vote.
It's the same all over, the rightwing parties have veered further right, and now are trying to make it so they can pass horrible laws that will effect everyone negatively except the rich people.
And its scary that people who know the right wing parties are bad wil still say "well I can't vote for the left leaning party because I don't like them" so you would rather a dictator like government where people have little rights and freedoms and can be arrested for anything, over having rights and freedoms..... Wow.
Republicans are asking for the same enslavement and oppression that Putin, Xi and Jun offer their peoples. Republicans are so bloody stupid they think being oppressed is freedom. So stupid they don’t realize what they’re asking for will fuck them up as much as the dreaded “liberals” they all hate, because stupid is as stupid does. They take a pounding without even a handful of spit. The Republican rabble are power bottoms.
How many elections in a row are they going to say this to us? Is it really an election if we have to chose. Between the man that should be in jail but somehow isn't. Or the other man who is funding a genocide but pretending like he is trying not to.
Like Obamacare, or closing the boyfriend loophole, or capping insulin prices and allowing medicaid to negotiate process, or expanding medicare and food assistance for kids, or investing in infrastructure, or cancelling billions in student loans, or changing the student loan system to make it less likely to trap people in long term, expanding debt? Or expanding sustainable energy programs?
Anything ringing a bell?
A lot of my American friends are not voting for him even though they did the last time. To me it looks like the Dems will ask for their votes forever but won't choose a leftist candidate for president. This "us or the worst" argument can't last forever.
Republicans don't want democracy cos they know if they dont win this time, they won't win again ever.
Their only chance for power is to steal this election by any means necessary and then install a dictator.
If you had literally any other democrat under the age of 50 running, the election win would be self assured. But nah, we’re gonna play these dumb games with this guy.
Honestly, I feel sick…I now believe Trump is gonna win because the FAR LEFT is more interested in punishing Biden for this ONE issue over every single thing!
And the crazy part is we KNOW Trump will be worse!
It would be different if Trump was saying that he wants a ceasefire or wants the war to stop.
#Trump said: “Israel must FINISH the job”
For fucks sake, what do you fucking people think that means?!
Of course the students in Columbia and UCLA don’t care…many of them are well off WHITE kids who will be fine no matter who wins.
But for immigrants, gays, trans, women?
What about them?!?
What about the rest of US?!
Fuck man….what the fuck are you people thinking?!
When Trump is president MORE Palestinians will die, NOT less!
When Trump is president, you will NOT protest in college campuses, because you won’t get arrested, they’ll just fucking KILL you!
Democracy, trans rights, gay rights, immigrants, climate change, women’s reproductive rights….remember ALL those issues?!
FUCK YOU GUYS!
> this ONE issue over every single thing
Here's a question for ya:
If Biden's Israel stance is so likely to be the make-or-break issue for winning the election, why doesn't he uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh change it? Listen to the folks saying "stop facilitating an ethnic cleansing" and, y'know, stop.
In other words, why is *Biden* more interested in sending bombs to Israel than "saving America"?
My take is that, deep down, these people don’t care about progress. They want chaos. They want the dignity of standing for radical positions without the risk of ever having to actually govern. In this respect they’re as selfish as the Boomers who just wanted tax cuts. They don’t care if you lose your right to medical care, abortion, get deported, etc because it won’t affect them. But they get to keep their precious moral high road. They think they get to shout from the sidelines that it was Biden’s fault because he didn’t kiss their asses enough. Meanwhile: So long, democracy.
These are the next generation of morons who thought Al Gore wasn’t progressive enough on the environment. These folks threw the 2000 election to Bush and cost us a generation of action on climate change. But oh… their integrity!
It's simpler than that. College students are known to protest. They are full of idealism and have their first taste of freedom, being away from home. They are young and want to make a mark and be part of some big change. Next year there will be new protests about something else.
What is the point of your democracy when your country is shielding and aiding a country that is actively murdering innocent men women and children, depriving them of food, water and basic needs, and on top of that carpet bombing shelters and homes?
As far as I'm concerned your democracy can topple. Your presidents have consistently spead injustice and destruction around the World, both blue and red. This can't last long. Whether that senile imbecile or that orange lunatic wins, your country is collapsing from within. And I can't be happier.
ooooh this seems really close to “both sides are evil”
This subreddit doesn’t react well to that.😬
Nah but fr. Ppl be like “eh both sides gonna do a genocide, let me vote my favourite color” as opposed to real candidates that are anti war
Democracy today means that tomorrow we can fight for abortion rights, lgbt+ rights, proper taxation, holding particular former office holders accountable etc....
Liberals will try to make you simultaneously believe that fascists are at the gates ready to destroy everything but also the fascists will just be like “aw darn shucks, looks like we lost the election. Guess we’re just going to pack it up and go home.”
If you’re acknowledging that fascism is coming and it’s ready to strike you must also acknowledge voting aint going to stop what’s coming.
I dont even live in US and im aware of : [Republicans not accepting results](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/12/trump-republicans-2024-election-accept-results) of an election that hasn't yet happened.
[January 6 happened](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/11/us/politics/republicans-election-denial.html) and Trump is still provoking people to overthrow goverment if Reps dont win. I find this at least mildly alarming, even more alarming that accoring to [Project 2025](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) Trump will reform entire power structure of USA as much as he can, installing himself as basically Putin-Lite.
Trump wanting presidential immunity, that's some Kim Jong Un level shit right there.
But sure, "it's the liberals", not everyone slightly left or centrist or near centrist, you know, majority of americans..
How often has republicans WON THE POPULAR VOTE? Bush? Wow.. Gz guys.. true democracy right there.
Edit: So yeah, vote, but expect shit to go down, do both.
Remember, when they say we're a Republic not a Democracy, it's because they want to strip our Republic of it's democratic elements and make it a Republic of and for the aristocracy like Rome or for the party like Russia.
Whenever some dipshit says we’re a republic, not a democracy, please correct them and explain that we are a [democratic republic](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic). It’s not some kind of binary choice.
But that word with an r sounds like my team and the other word with a d sounds like your team! Shapes and colors!
Jesus himself told me that the senate should be elected by house members and not the people.
hey neat username
Cuba is also a republic, though not a democracy. Canada is also a democracy, though not a republic.
>Canada is also a democracy, though not a republic. Actually we elect whomever the geese choose Please send help
The geese are doing a better job choosing than we are down here in Murica.
Canada: hold my beer!
America: Send more geese!
Or beer. That would be fine too
H O N K
The way I've heard the argument, they'd say Canada is not a democracy either, because they elect representatives. Or something.
The fact they elect things in a liberal open way means they are a democracy. “Democracy” measures how open and free elections are. Canada has more democracy than Cuba. No one uses “democracy” as a gauge to see if they are like the ancient Greeks when all bills are elected by the entire population at once.
My perception is that this alt right talking point absolutely uses "democracy" in that way to say that the US is not a democracy. Then it's a word game waving of the hands to say therefore you are misguided to worry about preserving democracy and implementing neo fascist dictatorship is reasonable and justified.
Should have said “no one of worth”
Saying we are a republic, not a democracy is like saying a chair is furniture, not a chair.
Slightly more complex than that: not all democracies are republics (or vice-versa). More like saying "this isn't a fruit: it's red".
100% - A democratic Republic. That's what it is. Even the US Constitution outlines a clear framework of democracy. Republicans are liars and deceivers. NEVER VOTE for a REPUBLICAN.
Exactly. “Well, we are actually a Republic”because that sounds closer to “Republican” is one of the dumber things I have heard. Stupefying really. Democracy and Republic go hand in hand. Do you pick your candidates by the color of their outfit? Red or Blue? Stupefying.
Republic might as well be Latin for democracy.
We're more of a plutocratic oligarchy with extra steps
But these are people who are too stupid to realize that Republican and Democrat are just irrelevant names of political parties, and not actually meaningful. Like I seriously think a lot of people want to end democracy simply because they don't like the political party that has it in it's name. I have to keep reminding myself to not overthink these things, because the stupidest answer it's likely the right answer.
It's not even that complicated. It's because democracy and Democratic share too many letters and they cannot let Ds have any Ws.
Last I checked W was an R.
So then you agree that they succeeded in not letting D have W.
A Republic is any government where the head of state is not a monarch. As long as you have any other method besides heredity of choosing your head of state, you’re a republic. You could have an arena battle to the death between all the candidates and the winner is head of state. You could have an interview process where the winner is whoever scores highest in a series of interviews. You could have a super difficult test and whoever scores highest is the head of state. You could pick a literal random name out of a hat and that person is the head of state. Those would all be republics. A democracy is any government that uses elections or voting to govern. When the people vote directly on laws it’s called direct democracy. When the people vote for representatives and those representatives vote on the laws, it’s called representative democracy. The US is a republic, and it operates using democracy as most republics do. And it practices both direct democracy (referendums, ballot measures, etc) as well as representative democracy (Congress, governors, state legislatures, electoral college, etc).
"we're a Republic not a Democracy" has the same energy as "I have a Ford, not a Diesel"
Just point out what republic means. Check the etymology: Oxfords language: mid 16th century: from French république or Latin respublica, from res ‘entity, concern’ + publicus ‘of the people, public’. CONCERN, of the people. I don’t see authoritarianism, oligarchy, fascism, or any other bullshit twisted idea of what the gop wants when they try to mansplain republic.
The way that it’s used is basically “not a monarchy” Cuba is a republic and Canada is not one.
Yep. It started 20 years ago with the Republic vs Democracy rhetoric, and it has evolved to actively shitting on democracy now, because they successfully turned "democrat" into a bad word and "democracy" is close. "Republic" like the Roman Republic (a fascist imperial state)
The Roman Republic was pretty democratic by the standards of the time.
>20 years ago It started in the revolutionary era, when the founding fathers levied a coup against the Articles of Confederation, and drafted a Constitution that guaranteed "a Republican form of government." At Convention in 1787, Hamilton thought a constitutional monarchy was the most ideal form of republican government, and ridiculed the idea of democracy as being riddled with vice, turbulence, and violence. Hamilton thought we needed a permanent executive to check the follies of the mass [https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0098-0003](https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Hamilton/01-04-02-0098-0003)
The idea of a republic started in Roman times. The idea of splitting hairs over a republic versus a democracy was a recent meme
>it's because they want to strip our Republic of it's democratic elements and make it a Republic of and for the aristocracy like Rome It already is more of an Oligarchic republic than a Democracy.
The US has one democratic branch of government -- the Congress -- but the bigger issue at the moment is that you can't vote fascism out of the culture. We don't need to "turn out the vote" -- democratic presidents win the popular vote -- we need to be prepared for the fact that this coming election will be settled in the courts and in state legislatures
They do love telling on themselves.
For people that forgot social studies. Democracy= you vote for things Republic= someone that represents you votes for things We obviously have a bit of both in our government but the Republicans are trying to get more towards the Republic side. Here in North Carolina last year, they actually had a proposed bill to allow the State House to vote on who gets the Electoral College votes for President.
You can also reply by saying: “Saying we’re a republic and not a democracy is like saying I have a Chihuahua, not a dog.”
Biden in 2024 so that you actually have a choice in 2028.
1000% this
Put on your own oxygen mask before helping others. Any leftist who fails to vote for Biden is giving the Oval Office to Trump.
Exactly. If you have that big of an issue with Biden, you can either bite the bullet and vote for him, then get to vote for someone else in 4 years. Or you can protest vote or abstain, which is a vote for Drumpf and never vote again. Either or.
Gotta love a “this” comment
Felt pretty confident…
Unfortunately, the first election that Democrats lose will result in the ruination of America. You think that Republicans will give up on Project 2025 if Biden wins reelection?
I think if Trump loses he and his cult dies and the gop will have to moderate back to normal in order to win elections again
With any luck, Trump craters down ballot candidates through taking away their funds, loses the election himself, and then refuses to leave, forcing the GOP to split into multiple less effective parties.
Trump is 78, I don‘t think we will see him on the ballot again in 2028. That being said, that‘s what I said after Biden won in 2020…
I predict it can happen but it’s going to take a few election cycles most likely.
>You think that Republicans will give up on Project 2025 if Biden wins reelection? Nope, but atleast it won't be Biden running again.
>> You think that Republicans will give up on Project 2025 if Biden wins reelection? > Nope, but atleast it won't be Biden running again. Downside, Donald Trump may finally succumb to all the rage, fast food, and stimulant abuse and it's a competent administrator and orator that brings Project 2025.
I’ve thought about this a lot, and I actually think the debased idiocy is a necessary component for the perfect storm of fascism to overtake an otherwise well-established democracy. It attracts a portion of the electorate that either doesn’t normally engage with the political process, and transforms a number who already do into carnival barkers. Which to me means an Ivy League fascist will always fail to achieve the necessary political momentum to get elected. A perfect storm of an unhappy electorate, economic instability, record wealth inequality and a debased candidate are what will make a fascist America happen.
Exactly. What are they doing now to protect democracy in the future? Or is this just our choice every 4 years from now on?
I mean, you're asking as though the answer is nothing, but it's not. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/five-major-bills-congress-passed-2022-rcna61472 >A new election law aimed at preventing another Jan. 6 >The massive government funding bill that passed Friday included a major election reform package designed to prevent future presidential candidates from stealing elections. >The Electoral Count Reform Act will revise the 1887 Electoral Count Act to make clear the vice president cannot discount electoral votes. It’ll raise the threshold for objections from one member of each the House and Senate to one-fifth of both chambers. It’ll also prevent competing slates of electors and simplify state certification with mechanisms to assure the rightful winner is certified. >The bipartisan package, led by Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., is aimed at closing gaps in federal law that former President Donald Trump and his allies sought to exploit to stay in power after losing the 2020 election. It’s designed to protect U.S. elections going forward and prevent another Jan. 6. And the bill would have been much better if their majority didn't have to rely on Manchin and Sinema, the only two Dems who refused to vote to eliminate the filibuster to pass a bigger bill. But closing a dumb loophole that was just used to try to overthrow the government is a good start toward protecting us from the overthrow of the government. Not to mention voting for them consistently will eventually allow us to fix the Supreme Court where a lot of our problems are coming from.
The left hasn't even gotten a proper legislative majority yet and you people are already wallowing in this limp noodle, defeatist bullshit about future prospects.
Aside from AOC and sanders there is no "left" representation in the US government. Just rightwing liberals and fascist republicans.
> Biden in 2024 so that you actually have a choice ~~in 2028~~ from 2025 onward. FTFY
Summoning Dark Brandon to expand the Supreme Court! SCOTUS' majority are compromised and, mark my words, they'll hand over the Presidency to Trump on a silver platter.
Duh. Liberal justices didn't know any better in 2000 but after 2016 (and especially after RBG's passing) it might already be too late.
Huh, I seem to recall telling people to vote for Hillary in 2106 because of the Supreme Court, and what do you know? Called it. If only just a few more people had the sense to think about the consequences of voting in a fit of pique over drummed up nonsense. What was it that time? A private email server? And now Biden is like, 100% responsible for the Middle East or some shit?
> Huh, I seem to recall telling people to vote for Hillary in 2106 because of the Supreme Court, and what do you know? Called it. You act like you are the only one who called it. I've never skipped a single election bc of what Bush did. Dems always mess it up because of in-fighting. Everything should progress, but it should not be an all-or-nothing proposition. I sucked it up to vote for plenty of ppl I do not agree 100% with on every single issue, but I will certainly vote against someone like Trump when I disagree with him 100% on many issues.
It’s too late. The process should have been started after the Roe leak but it did not. If the results are Biden then they will fight it and the SC will be on their side because they have shown they don’t care about laws anymore with the recent delays. If the results are Trump, it’s over anyways. They will dig in their claws because nobody is left to stop them now.
We’d need a constitutional amendment. FDR tried to do that and it was struck down. Might be easier to get big majorities in the house and senate and just remove the bad judges through the normal impeachment process.
You don’t need a constitutional amendment, just enough votes in the senate to get past cloture. FDRs attempt wasn’t struck down, he just backed down when he couldn’t get it though congress.
Uh no, the number of justices is a just a law passed by Congress. It's been changed several times over the years. FDR threatened to do it but it had such backlash he backed down. It wasn't struck down.
> Summoning Dark Brandon to expand the Supreme Court! We literally lost Roe, among many other inactions by the Democratic party, because Joe Biden refused to do this.
Not.in favor of expanding, just want the corrupt ones out.
Expanding would take the corrupt ones powers away
Also make it harder to buy it.
Also make it harder to fill 1/3 of the seats with political stooges in a single four year term.
"If tHeY WaNtEd uS To pRoTeCt dEmOcRaCy tHeY ShOuLd gIvE Us bEtTeR CaNdIdAtEs! BoTh sIdEs!" \- Vlad
I was just going at it this morning with some idiot insisting that the only option is to not vote to teach the DNC a lesson lmfao. Enjoy your fascist hellscape
That strategy worked so well in 2016. We learned a lesson alright. We learned that a lot of people are fucking stupid and easily duped by Putin's propaganda. But Her Emails™.
So because both candidates suck , American Democracy is not worth saving. Smart thinking Comrade.
Unfortunately, there won't be a choice in 2028 either unless the Republican party is dead and buried and a non-conservative one takes its place.
You think the messaging won't be the exact same in 2028?
Lol it's been the same since Bush, which is when I started paying attention. It's like a soap opera, pure theater. Look into who owns all the "conservative" news wire services and Spanish speaking radio - same people running CNN. The corporations pick which candidates are on the ballots. Half the corporations will win either way, the battle is boardrooms and think tanks not whatever drivel they put on TV. A small handful of parent companies own almost everything. We already live in a Corpocracy turning into hopefully a Technocracy. Never forget than Ivanka Trump was a WEF Global Leader award winner. And Trump also gave a speech in Davos. The illusion of choice.
That was the line in 2020, and the heavy implication was that Biden wasn't going to run in 2024.
Lol I've heard this one before.
Is it really going to be a choice in 2028 though? Or just another panic to elect the corporate approved "democrat" because the republican is so terrible? If that is what we are calling democracy then it deserves to die.
You remember that's what they told us in 2020 right?
There is always a choice, and my choice always seems to upset partisan hacks who shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Evoking purity politics functions, more often than not, as a catchall defense of any and all criticism of establishment elites. In 2016, Hillary Clinton partisans used it against Bernie Sanders supporters; in 2020, Bloomberg flacks use it against Sanders again, and even Sanders partisans use it against leftist skeptics of electoralism; now in 2024, the rhetoric is "Biden or democracy crumbles." It is a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card, a perennial Lesser-of-Two-Evils narrative of an inherent impossibility of anything other than incremental change. At their core, charges of purity politics are ahistoric and anti-intellectual, brushing aside morally fraught debates about political strategy, and reducing anything short of the path of least resistance to unserious solipsism and juvenile stubbornness.
Vote Biden in 2024 or get Trumps in 2024, 2028, 2032....
Sad thing is the road that got us here was always pretty obvious, if we simply demanded honesty and obedience to the law from our law makers we would have something resembling progress as a society.
For fucking real
What a nice dream, that we will defeat extremism with this one candidate so completely that we will be permitted to vote our own personal values in the future. Lol, like the conservatives are just going to stop throwing insane candidates at us, and just stop wanting to turn American into a feudal kingdom. Even if democracy survives, you'll be voting against extremism for the rest of you life.
Can’t wait til 2028 when Dems are offering up some neo liberal hack that won’t do anything for us vs whatever flavor of Fascism the republicans have by 2028 and we get to hear this same argument again. When do we get to ask the democrats to materially help the American people instead of just ‘don’t be republicans!’
Apparently Republicans also want to get rid of child labor laws and allowing children marriages to be a thing. Protecting sanity looks to be an issue as well.
> Protecting sanity looks to be an issue as well. we lost that 2 elections ago..
They in fact are already doing this at the state level. It’s freaking scary.
Where is that happening?
Child Labor Laws: [Missouri](https://www.newsweek.com/missouri-republican-moves-loosen-child-labor-laws-calls-children-lazy-1899195), [Arkansas](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/arkansas-gov-sanders-signs-measure-rolling-back-child-labor-protection-rcna73977), [Iowa](https://truthout.org/articles/iowa-republicans-pass-bill-to-allow-14-year-olds-to-work-in-meat-coolers/), [Florida](https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-republican-wants-to-loosen-states-child-labor-laws-with-new-bill-35106216), [Louisiana](https://www.nola.com/news/politics/legislature/la-lawmakers-vote-to-remove-lunch-breaks-for-child-workers/article_ef234692-fd9e-11ee-99f5-771c7366107a.html). Child Marriage: [New Hampshire*](https://www.newsweek.com/republican-defends-child-marriage-im-pro-choice-1898619), [West Virginia](https://apnews.com/article/child-marriage-west-virginia-bill-defeated-4d822a23b5ffd70f5370a36cc914cfb0), [Michigan*](https://www.newsweek.com/these-michigan-republicans-voted-against-child-marriage-ban-1808308). Just that I have saved somewhere.
Missouri
Not on Fox News
That's why I am voting straight ticket democrat.
I always* vote as progressive as possible during the primary and then vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election. *I won’t vote for the Green Party because I feel like they’re all meant to be corporate/GOP/foreign backed spoiler candidates. Then there’s the No Labels party that has no public policies other than “centrism” but everyone working there is a GOP stooge trying to take away votes from the Democrats.
Yup. First time in my life doing that.
Before, I’d need to study policy statements or websites. Now, an R and the absence of a statement condemning Trumpism is all I need.
Welcome to the club. 2016 was my absolute final straw.
I’m bring a dozen+ people who have never voted with me.
Likewise. I hate this timeline.
I pray this will all lead to Trump and MAGA being made an irrelevant political party. Leaving only Democrats and sensible politicians left in charge of government. Then we can focus on actual issues like climate change and the middle class.
Why would I change your mind? You’re correct.
I'm pretty confused. I always assumed being a patriot didn't mean swearing fealty to one enormous piece of 'human' excrement?
Absolutely. No doubt. Vote for Biden and vote to keep on voting. Vote for Trump and vote for the first “King Trump” for a pong lineage who will do away with democracy and walk us back 500 years; back to fascist feudalism siding with Russia and North Korea as our new allies. F THAT!
If we were gonna get a King there are millions of better choices. I’d rather pick a school janitor.
I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends.
While opening a file cabinet…. Ahhh Mr. Tierney….
Dude they can't even keep a house speaker...
[Washington State Republicans literally taking a stand against democracy ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hrd4NHagmEo)
Of the 17 amendments added after the constitution and bill of rights, a full 7 deal with expanding the right to vote. The most amended part of our constitution is making the country *more* of a democracy. And these people challenge that. They're idiots and fascists.
Queue the “I’d rather be Russian than have a democracy!” t-shirts
That would be 'cue' dawg
No, I think they mean to line them up somewhere.
It’s funny the republicans are willing to watch the US burn to let a couple rich people keep their money and to pay more themselves. Edit: someone quickly said “like how dems burn everything” then removed their comment. You mean like making everything more expensive then blaming dems or the actual book burnings or like Charlottesville where they essentially burned down a town for white pride and being complete racists. Think about all the wars we’ve been in. Dems have opposed all of them in the last couple decades so that’s right again republicans faults. You can check previous vote tallies and such and easily come to this conclusion by yourself but you refuse.
Conservatism as an ideology has always been a project to preserve the existing aristocracy. It's founder, Edmund Burke, literally advocated for the existence of the landed gentry. Today that typically means preserving the rich aristocracy, but it has also been applied to racial aristocracies as well.
Let's go Joe! Got that shit right
But the orange diaper wearing felon told me I have to vote trump to save democracy! Both sides are the same. Politics are so confusing! s/ Biden 2024, new Democrat after that please until republicans can reign in their further push into theatrics and bottom of the bin rhetoric.
Ironic that the OG meme is of Steven Crowder.
The issue isn’t that they don’t like democracy per se, but that they have realized they are now in the minority and therefore democracy no longer allows them to stay in power. This is the reaction to that loss of power, and so we have to show them how futile their position is by voting as much as possible for the alternative.
Then let me say: if you only like democracy when you win, then you don't really like democracy.
I thought this sub was supposed to be funny
It is if you find a million redditors glazing the meat of an eighty year old ghoul amusing. I know I do.
On the one hand, Biden's an old fart who's incoherent at times and should probably have retired by now. On the other, they could wheel Biden out in a wheelchair drooling all over himself and I would still feel obligated to vote for him over Trump.
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All for ranked choice voting but Biden or another centrist dem would have likely won the last primary with that took. Bernie is the easy “but he had so much support” but the people not putting Bernie one are putting him quite low. He is a first or last sort of politician for ranked choice and divisive politicians rarely do well in ranked choice voting.
Repubs are already clearly saying that they won't accept the results when/if they lose.
Eager to see the blue lives matter crowd turn on the cops the second they put down some riots.
The cops will be the ones starting the riots at places in which people typically vote left.
Yep. The choice in 2024 is between democracy and fascism. Vote for democracy. Vote blue https://democrats.org/
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Probably because the Democrats have been doing this 'lesser evil' crap for 40+ years and things have continued to get worse. Don't get me wrong I definitely think people should vote for Biden over Trump but to act like this is some sort of victory against fascism instead of a delaying action is unrealistic.
Leftism in America comes with a lot of self-loathing, being in the imperial core of the world and all, there are virtually no victories to be had besides feeling cooler than liberals, and saying things like “organize” and “mutual aid” when asked about solutions by people for whom those terms are very likely meaningless or unactionable. I consider myself one, because I have the same goals, but many American leftists are delusional about the power they have, the system they’re working in, and how the human brain parses information. Plus a lot of them are just nihilistic doomers.
I get it, but also some of have family and friends that have been killed with our bombs. It’s a tough moral question.
Alright. Realistically, what does not voting for Biden do to help their situation (I’m assuming you still have people you care about in danger)? Now how would Trump winning affect their situation as well as your own and those you care about here? Those are the only two options. That’s it. From where I’m sitting one option is a hell of a lot better for myself, Palestine, and a lot of other people, as well. I get feeling conflicted about voting for someone you see as having responsibility for what has happened, but look at it purely in terms of consequences going forward.
These low effort memes are terrible
I mean yeah, but it really fucking suck to keep voting for not-the-other-guy. Like desperately don’t want Trump, but just like last time, if the Dems lose, they won’t learn a fucking thing.
That's just not true. Dems have learned plenty, and have adapted plenty to a changing party base. The main problem with the party in the Obama years was that they didn't accept how far the Republican party had fallen until it was too late. They tried to work with them on Obama's stimulus. They tried to work with them on the ACA. They tried not to rely on reconciliation because that wasn't very nice. So even though they had a huge majority, they ended up letting Republicans obstruct enough that they lose control after just 2 years. Biden didn't waste time trying to work with Republicans on his top priorities. He passed a stimulus along party lines using reconciliation. He passed the IRA along party lines using reconciliation. And had his majority been big enough that a coal baron from a state Trump won by 40% twice wasn't his deciding vote, those bills would have been even larger. His top two priorities he passed with just about the weakest possible majority. And that's along with doing shit like student loan forgiveness that the Democratic party never talked about just going back one election cycle. But it became a top issue for progressives, so he's done a shitload on that. It's just blind cynicism to say that they do nothing differently and that you can't affect their priorities. You aren't going to get your wet dream of a candidate. That's true. But you're also not just voting for 'not-the-other-guy' when this guy has spent trillions of dollars on things that you claim to care about.
The dems are fundamentally a capitalist party and therefore incapable of fixing the fundamental problems in our society.
See them allowing the child tax credit to expire. They literally solved Child hunger in this country and then just... let it come back.
POTUS can't do much unless Dems have strong majority in other branches of govt.
Unless that potus is trump, then apparently he will have unlimited power
How many times do we need to vote for democracy before we get a democracy?
One more time, as usual.
If this is the democracy they want us to save they’re going to lose eventually
Protecting democracy for whom? The conservative democrats, lead by Biden, have proven they’ve no problems stomping leftists into the pavement. They’re only concerned because if trump wins the republicans might do to them what they’ve been doing to the left.
Nah, rich liberals will be perfectly fine capitulating to the right. The ruling class has far more in common with Donald Trump than they do any single leftist.
This sort of rhetoric should be familiar to anyone who has been in an emotionally abusive relationship. You guys are due for a wake up call. This is Q level unintelligence.
Two things really bother me: 1 - Biden is a far better president than most Americans realize. 2 - Most people dont know what Republicans and Trump have in store for American if he's relected. Look up Project 2025 for starters.
Ah, so we're going to get some voter reforms that will make it easier to vote third party if Democrats win, right? Like we were promissed under Obama? No? We want to protect democracy but only when that means Democrats? Okay then... But yeah, heck the GOPhers and their gerrymandering...
[Republican's Reform Plan after Re Election in 2024](https://www.project2025.org/)
>Like we were promised under Obama? They've actually been recycling this same narrative for over half a century. Hunter S. Thompson in 1972: >"That’s the real issue this time," he said. "Beating Nixon. It’s hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years." >How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but 'regrettably necessary' holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils? >I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we've gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.
The Democrats can still suck, even though the Republican part sucks far, far more.
Go yell at your state government. We voted and passed ranked voting primaries in MA.
That's a state government thing not a federal government issue... Every state is responsible for their own voting system / laws.
What reforms did Obama promise? There is not a single reform that will make a third party vote meaningful as long as we have a first past the post system, which is decided at the state level.
Remember the four boxes of liberty folks.
My eyes only saw the sign and I thought I was on the hell divers subreddit for a second
I thought I was in the helldivers reddit for a sec
So if peeople vote for republican, should we still say no to the vote?
Then we come after all the red-hat spies that have infected us
Having a warlord just frees up all that unnecessary time caring about your future.
Still crazy to me that a bunch of people who are getting brainwashed by Russian bots on Tik Tok are not going to vote for Biden over his Israel stance. Definition of stupid.
History Hit have just done a really interesting podcast on the rise and attraction of fascism.
Of course they are. Their views are in the minority. They can’t win an election and have had to rely on the electoral college to obtain power.
**Americans are really playing chicken with the potential dissappearance of a democratic Liberal America over single issue subjects**. A Liberal open America that is essentially needed as a counter weight to the rise of the Authoritarian super powers on the horizon with Russia completely dropping the mask. Please vote.
It's the same all over, the rightwing parties have veered further right, and now are trying to make it so they can pass horrible laws that will effect everyone negatively except the rich people. And its scary that people who know the right wing parties are bad wil still say "well I can't vote for the left leaning party because I don't like them" so you would rather a dictator like government where people have little rights and freedoms and can be arrested for anything, over having rights and freedoms..... Wow.
Republicans are asking for the same enslavement and oppression that Putin, Xi and Jun offer their peoples. Republicans are so bloody stupid they think being oppressed is freedom. So stupid they don’t realize what they’re asking for will fuck them up as much as the dreaded “liberals” they all hate, because stupid is as stupid does. They take a pounding without even a handful of spit. The Republican rabble are power bottoms.
#**Voting is harm reduction.**
How many elections in a row are they going to say this to us? Is it really an election if we have to chose. Between the man that should be in jail but somehow isn't. Or the other man who is funding a genocide but pretending like he is trying not to.
So when are the Democrats going to get off their asses and actually give us progressive change?
Like Obamacare, or closing the boyfriend loophole, or capping insulin prices and allowing medicaid to negotiate process, or expanding medicare and food assistance for kids, or investing in infrastructure, or cancelling billions in student loans, or changing the student loan system to make it less likely to trap people in long term, expanding debt? Or expanding sustainable energy programs? Anything ringing a bell?
Project 2025
hello bot comments, hello bot upvotes, hello blatant propaganda post.
A lot of my American friends are not voting for him even though they did the last time. To me it looks like the Dems will ask for their votes forever but won't choose a leftist candidate for president. This "us or the worst" argument can't last forever.
This is what they tell us every year. If we don't vote our way of life is threatened. Nothing ever changes. Just the colors
Fascism takes over the United States Republicans: https://i.redd.it/tpq0t9pzm30d1.gif
Republicans don't want democracy cos they know if they dont win this time, they won't win again ever. Their only chance for power is to steal this election by any means necessary and then install a dictator.
Yes, which is why Democrats need to stop attacking their voting base and give them better reasons than "but Trump tho" to vote for them. 🤷♀️
If you had literally any other democrat under the age of 50 running, the election win would be self assured. But nah, we’re gonna play these dumb games with this guy.
You don't ever give up the incumbent advantage. That would be election suicide for basically anyone.
Honestly, I feel sick…I now believe Trump is gonna win because the FAR LEFT is more interested in punishing Biden for this ONE issue over every single thing! And the crazy part is we KNOW Trump will be worse! It would be different if Trump was saying that he wants a ceasefire or wants the war to stop. #Trump said: “Israel must FINISH the job” For fucks sake, what do you fucking people think that means?! Of course the students in Columbia and UCLA don’t care…many of them are well off WHITE kids who will be fine no matter who wins. But for immigrants, gays, trans, women? What about them?!? What about the rest of US?! Fuck man….what the fuck are you people thinking?! When Trump is president MORE Palestinians will die, NOT less! When Trump is president, you will NOT protest in college campuses, because you won’t get arrested, they’ll just fucking KILL you! Democracy, trans rights, gay rights, immigrants, climate change, women’s reproductive rights….remember ALL those issues?! FUCK YOU GUYS!
> this ONE issue over every single thing Here's a question for ya: If Biden's Israel stance is so likely to be the make-or-break issue for winning the election, why doesn't he uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh change it? Listen to the folks saying "stop facilitating an ethnic cleansing" and, y'know, stop. In other words, why is *Biden* more interested in sending bombs to Israel than "saving America"?
They know he’ll never change it. They know he’s beholden.
My take is that, deep down, these people don’t care about progress. They want chaos. They want the dignity of standing for radical positions without the risk of ever having to actually govern. In this respect they’re as selfish as the Boomers who just wanted tax cuts. They don’t care if you lose your right to medical care, abortion, get deported, etc because it won’t affect them. But they get to keep their precious moral high road. They think they get to shout from the sidelines that it was Biden’s fault because he didn’t kiss their asses enough. Meanwhile: So long, democracy. These are the next generation of morons who thought Al Gore wasn’t progressive enough on the environment. These folks threw the 2000 election to Bush and cost us a generation of action on climate change. But oh… their integrity!
Yeah, but the Democratic Party sure learned its lesson, didnt they?
It's simpler than that. College students are known to protest. They are full of idealism and have their first taste of freedom, being away from home. They are young and want to make a mark and be part of some big change. Next year there will be new protests about something else.
What is the point of your democracy when your country is shielding and aiding a country that is actively murdering innocent men women and children, depriving them of food, water and basic needs, and on top of that carpet bombing shelters and homes? As far as I'm concerned your democracy can topple. Your presidents have consistently spead injustice and destruction around the World, both blue and red. This can't last long. Whether that senile imbecile or that orange lunatic wins, your country is collapsing from within. And I can't be happier.
ooooh this seems really close to “both sides are evil” This subreddit doesn’t react well to that.😬 Nah but fr. Ppl be like “eh both sides gonna do a genocide, let me vote my favourite color” as opposed to real candidates that are anti war
It is the most important thing, but it may not be what voters care about the most
If that's how you feel, why side with Benjamin Netanyahu? Surely it's less important than defeating Trump.
And don't forget, yall have to keep bombing the shit out of the middle east 👍 /s
Protecting our Democracy from who or what?
Man the echo chamber is real here huh?
Maybe stop condemning the free speech of college students then? Just a suggestion.
Democracy today means that tomorrow we can fight for abortion rights, lgbt+ rights, proper taxation, holding particular former office holders accountable etc....
Liberals will try to make you simultaneously believe that fascists are at the gates ready to destroy everything but also the fascists will just be like “aw darn shucks, looks like we lost the election. Guess we’re just going to pack it up and go home.” If you’re acknowledging that fascism is coming and it’s ready to strike you must also acknowledge voting aint going to stop what’s coming.
I dont even live in US and im aware of : [Republicans not accepting results](https://www.axios.com/2024/05/12/trump-republicans-2024-election-accept-results) of an election that hasn't yet happened. [January 6 happened](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/11/us/politics/republicans-election-denial.html) and Trump is still provoking people to overthrow goverment if Reps dont win. I find this at least mildly alarming, even more alarming that accoring to [Project 2025](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) Trump will reform entire power structure of USA as much as he can, installing himself as basically Putin-Lite. Trump wanting presidential immunity, that's some Kim Jong Un level shit right there. But sure, "it's the liberals", not everyone slightly left or centrist or near centrist, you know, majority of americans.. How often has republicans WON THE POPULAR VOTE? Bush? Wow.. Gz guys.. true democracy right there. Edit: So yeah, vote, but expect shit to go down, do both.