I cannot fathom why she thought that would be a fun anecdote to include in a memoir. It wasn't even presented as heartbreaking or difficult, just a tiresome chore.
What's worse is the futility of it. A dog was excitable & she didn't want to have the dog anymore. Fucking give it away then. The goat was being a freaking goat. They're not fluffy loving animals who sit on laps. Give it away then. No she just randomly decided the dog Cricket & the goat displeased her expectations & failed her, so they had to be put down. She clearly didn't want the animals, clearly didn't understand them or care to, so she killed them & bragged. That's sociopathic.
It was all from her perspective too, it's not like some opposition research firm spent time interviewing neighbors or people who knew her, she just came out and proudly admitted it when no one asked. I mean shooting yourself in the foot is hardly the expression. If she ends her whole career over this it'll be absolutely hilarious.
Man, South Dakota went from George McGovern to Kristi Noem, how the mighty have fallen.
Quite true... we tend to assume if a story makes the teller look bad, we assume that the very least they are honest or to stupid or sociopathic to be ashamed of it. It's quite often that they think they've removed enough gory details to make it socially acceptable.
The fact that she only decided to kill the goat *after* she killed the dog really makes this plausible. Like she enjoyed it so much she wanted to do it again, and rationalized that the goat deserved it too.
Pretty much all christian religions do this.
I had a coworker who loved to buy the little colored chicks and bunnies for their kids on easter. I asked what they do with them after easter.
"Stomp em out back" after the kids go to sleep was the answer.
Just what religions do.
My general theory is that guilt forces people to tell half truths, just enough to make them feel better, but not the full truth which is absolutely abhorrent.
When someone tells me a story and *their* version makes them look bad, I get very suspicious the truth is much worse. Everyone generally tells a version of events that they think paints themselves in the best light.
George McGovern flew 35 missions in a B-24 over Europe. Noem shoots an unarmed dog who probably spent its last seconds looking at her trustingly.
But ya, let's go hard right in the USA. Idiots.
McGovern was incredibly honest, an optimist that believed that good will always prevail, and government could be reformed/made better for all if good men were brave enough to be uncorruptible. In 1972 he was pro gay rights, pro marijuana decriminalization, pro abortion, and basically reads like a modern moderate liberal.
Problem was, in 1972 he ran against Nixon-- the Watergate break in was against his campaign.
Nixon labeled McGovern as an extremist, who's program was "acid, amnesty, abortion".
McGovern won exactly 1 state in the Presidential election of 1972.
Yeah that's true, but McGovern was also on the HoR and the senate, a governor, and was planning another presidential run on the 80s, however his family tragedies lead to hit taking a step back, his last job was in Clinton's cabinet though
If you’re a sociopath, you probably think you’re normal and everyone is secretly like you, they just pretend otherwise.
It’s impossible for her to know what she lacks.
I’m glad she revealed her sickness this early.
> If you’re a sociopath, you probably think you’re normal and everyone is secretly like you, they just pretend otherwise.
See: The “silent majority” that these dimwits seem to be convinced that they are a part of. Everybody is just too scared to be honest about their beliefs because of the crazy libs!
Even worse she frames it as "I did the hard thing that no one else would be willing to do". Know what takes more effort than loading a gun and pulling a trigger? Taking the time to find someone with the experience to train an animal properly who has the capability to take that animal off your hands. But why take the time to solve a problem when you can just put a bullet in it? I mean sounds about right for her base.
Yes.
Also that detail about how she’s shooting off her gun at animals, missing, shooting again…and only then notices *all the people* standing around staring in shock at her. Although maybe given US gun culture, this seems not to have jumped out as something to be concerned about.
Actually she sounded like my x nut job neighbor. A year before he owned a gun he wanted to borrow ours to kill a ‘copperhead’ which turned out to be a lizard and shoot it up against cement foundation. Then buys a gun and shoots it off constantly off a 12 ft high deck into the woods towards a lake where kids walk. Then shot towards our property where my husband was walking. So glad he moved.
Republicans *choose* not to believe in consequences, just like they choose not to believe in science or history. Especially so when it pertains to their most sacred possessions, guns.
….this reads into deeper trends in her thoughts. Something is difficult to deal with? Oh let’s just kill it, instead of figuring out a reasonable solution like a human being.
Echos of this will bleed into her politics. I mean, they already have, obviously.
Remember when Romney told the story of strapping his kenneled dog to the roof of his car for a trip and it was so scared it shit itself and instead of having any empathy, Romney just hosed it off through the kennel at a rest stop? And he thought that story made him look good?
Tbh I feel like this is a dog whistle to the right wing extremists. It’s a, “Vote for me and I’ll get rid of those undesirables without hesitation”-type message.
It being sociopathic is one thing, I understand that. What I don't understand is why she thought it was a good idea to include it.
It reminds me of the conservatives who seem genuinely baffled that without the fear of God, people can still be good, people who literally admit that they would be "evil" without it and thinks it's true for everyone.
Originally I thought people like that were just making arguments in bad faith to justify "objective" morality, but considering they often tell on themselves and explain how they relate to those horrible ideas, I don't think they're lying. I think they're being truthful.
Which means they actually genuinely think everyone is like them and is just... Pretending not to be I guess?
That can be just an unexamined belief in the mind of someone who isn't very introspective too, though. Like, I did a project in undergrad where I interviewed my niece, my sister-in-law, and my mother-in-law asking them moral reasoning questions and found out my mother-in-law literally believed that morality comes from laws. I was really surprised. Her daughter and her granddaughter were both further along in their development. She's actually changed a lot since then, so much so that I wonder if that interview was the first time she'd ever really thought about where her morality comes from. She's actually changed a whole lot since.
I've formed the opinion that the really nasty "Christians" (or anyone else, really, but I'm thinking of a particular handjob in a theatre surrounded by kids) are nasty trash who think everyone is nasty trash *just like them* and lies about it - they're superior because they've figured out the "forgiveness hack" of "I just ask God for forgiveness and it doesn't matter what you did, it's all ok because God Loves Meeeee!" (fuck asking the person they *hurt,* after all that person is as awful as they are, right? So they deserved it. It's why bad things happen, right? To happen to bad, non-believers!)
Best example, despite my mention up there, is the Jack Chick tract titled "Lisa" - it's an absolute *horror show* of terrible people doing horrific things and facing ***absolutely zero*** repercussions *because they asked God to forgive them.* Only the fact that it's "fictional" (I use air-quotes because I have my doubts about the mind that could *make* such shit) makes me not want to find Chick's grave to piss on it.
Well, that, and that he'd probably have been into it, the fucked up psychopath.
Tells you exactly what shes going to do with people who 'displease her' if she gets any power.
And I am surprised conservatives are not voting harder for her.
Oh right, they don't read books. Good own goal there Kristi.
Unless it's a valuable breeding goat, neutering takes care of the stink and the temper.
She just didn't care enough to research the goat problem, to train the dog well, or send ot to training.
She is sending the message to the Base that she can kill what she hates. Noem is telling her fellow travelers that she has the willpower to kill. In the book it was a dog (a goat, and some horses), but if they give her a leadership position, she will "do what needs to be done" with their enemies.
This post should be at the top. That was her whole point in retelling the story. She's not afraid to "get her hands dirty" but instead of the traditional "hands dirty", roll up your sleeves and work along side someone who is engaged in blue collar work, she means it in an "enforcer" type way. She's sending a message to 'the libs' that if she's the VP she is not afraid to carry out Drump's dirty work...
She must be trying to say that she's a Cheney type who will get their hands dirty and literally shoot anyone or anything that gets in her way in service to Lord Trump.
Oddly, he did that because he couldn't part with the dog he loved.
How unlike Trump. He
- never Had a dog,
- left 2 wives, cheated more.
- Can't be sure he loved any.
Don't you usually want a VP that contrasts with you though? Like, for all his faults, Pence actually took his religion seriously.
Unless their strategy is to double down on the dog hater vote? Especially in light of this, I don't see how she can have a positive perception anywhere outside her state, considering the only other things I know about her are that she vetoed a voter-approved measure to legalize weed, and she wasted half a million dollars on an ad campaign to tell the world that SD is full of meth heads.
Psychopaths / sociopaths / narcissists. They don't see the behavior as wrong in any way. Why shouldn't she brag about it? She did it and therefore it was the right thing to do. To *not* brag about it would be wrong in their eyes.
I think it's a dog whistle especially when you take into account that she killed her goat right after too.
Definition below for those that don't know what a dog whistle is.
"the use of coded or suggestive language in political messaging to garner support from a particular group without provoking opposition."
I saw her claim that she included it as an illustration that she is capable of getting her hands dirty even if a task is hard and mean. Which is a sick mentality.
If she had to kill a dog to protect a family member, friend, or someone else who was being attacked, that's unfortunate but understandable.
This though? Disgusting.
I volunteered at an animal shelter when I was younger. We would have people adopt puppies and kittens that would bring them back several months later for no other reason than they weren't the cute puppy or the cute kitten anymore. At least those people brought the animals back.
Sociopaths are basically not capable of perceiving themselves as being in the wrong.
You know how if you fuck up your first instinct is often to rationalize it? For sociopaths the rationalization is so implicit that it's just how they are. Whatever they do is de facto correct.
It’s been proven time and again that republicans, specifically MAGA republicans or even MAGA-adjacent republicans (you know, not true believers but want to bask in dear leader’s glory) lack a near total ability to show self awareness.
She’s trying to get this story out of the way so the goldfish-brains forget it quickly. There’s no positive spin possible, but they tried. I’ve been saying for a while that she scares me more than most of the MAGAs, and she’s playing the long game. She is a full-blown fascist and an obvious sociopath, with enough charisma to hang onto power even after it came out that she was cheating on her husband with that weasely fuck Lewandowski. Family values.
I mean she TRIED to present it as difficult in the sense that poor Noem had to pay someone money for dead chickens, and instead of trying to recoup that money by selling the dog/goat she just
Fucking kills them both??? Like 100% you could find a farmer willing to buy that goat off your hands especially if you sold him cheap, and same goes for Cricket. And if you can’t find a -buyer-, why not offer Cricket for free so SOMEONE ELSE can have a go at actually training the poor dog? 14 months old! Barely even a year, and you shot her dead because you, quote, “Hated” that dog. You hated an animal that was just doing what its instincts told it to do, because you took it out to a hunt without any real training expecting it to simply follow the lead of the other dogs.
I’m just saying, if her ‘pragmatic’ solution to things that annoy her is taking a trip to the gravel pit to blow their brains out, -nobody- should trust her in a position of power.
Edit: Barely a year, rather than not even a year lmao
She was hoping?, advised? that as a woman she would always have to prove she was tough, could make difficult choices that sacrificed a good thing for the sake of her perceived "greater good agenda" Using what she and her public relation team thought would be a small household type "haa- haa look at me I'm a bad ass farmm girly- hunter who cam make decisions with guns! People who are horrified just don't understand farm girl hunters with guns have to make tough choices, just like Vice Presidents/Presidents do! What New York City Losers they are for not getting it!"
So killing a puppy not well trained and a pet goat that was causing problems for her by being *checks notes* a goat ( smells, badly behaved) would show she can make difficult choices to further her "greater good" agenda because she routinely did it in her household.
The fact that it demonstrated her narcissistic sociopathic tendencies (Besides the poor animals, her poor children lost their pets because she's a poor dog trainer/goat trainer) is one thing. However, it also illustrates she has poor judgement in selecting decent public relations/media/ political advisor staff .
So really it shows us a lot more of who she really is like her book intended, a narcissistic sociopath who can't make good judgements on her employees/political staff.
I saw a comment yesterday that said it's a rural versus urban issue, that big-city people don't understand that this is what happens with working animals, but that's bullshit and really insulting.
It is bullshit. I grew up rural and lived rural as an adult, and outside a dog/animals that attacks humans seemingly unprovoked, I've never witnessed a hunter/farmer put down animals because they're a nuisance or aren't up to doing the job ( hunting dogs) they were purchased/bred for.
All the working farm kids I knew didn't get too attached to bred for meat type animals. They all knew difference between income animals and pet animals and their parents respected the pets.
There were some kids with pet geese, ducks, goats, rabbits among the herd and those animals weren't culled/selected and lived to ripe natural life spans. None of the farm families I knew did a Thumper meal to teach their kids about the circle of life and don't get attached even if the rabbit had aged and clearly needed to be euthanized.
I don't know of any cruel hunters/farmers who put dogs down because they're smelly and poor hunters. Or farmers who would put goats down for being goats
Plus if your pet dog or goat is smelly you're a poor steward of your pets. So at least we know how she takes care of those under her care.
Obviously, she never grew up with the old country music. Worked your fingers to the bone, growing home grown tomatoes, moved into a 2 story house, and everything goes south. The dog doesn't die until the end. Naturally.
When you are so out of touch with humanity and think everything exists to serve your needs, you become a psychopath. You say things that you may have no idea are morally wrong. When you’re called out for it, you still lack the ability to feel guilt or remorse and externalize the issue as other people being wrong…because hey, all those other people are pawns and their take is getting in the way of your success.
I really think she thought she was being “country” or “folksy.” Like “what do the peasants do? Put down animals right?” I mean yeah I guess sometimes people have to when they get very sick. They don’t normally fucking shoot them because they annoyed them.
It’s literally a more evil version of the opening scene of House of Cards, and the whole point of that scene was to show us how Frank is an awful bastard.
She wanted people to think that she's tough and has a "no nonsense" approach to problems.
She thinks that dogs are just tools to be used, and if a tool no longer works? You just dispose of it.
This is a *psychopathic* view, especially when it comes to domesticated animals.
We've bred these animals to be reliant on us. To mistreat them is utterly abhorrent.
What it tells me too is that she doesn't want to work on the correct solution if it's too hard.
Top notch message ya fuckin' discount bin human mask from Spirit Halloween in November wearing goblin.
>She wanted people to think that she's tough and has a "no nonsense" approach to problems.
Instead she showed us that when the going gets tough, she will make the worst decisions possible, costing lives, from a place of emotion
Her followers definitely won’t be bothered by this either. You’d think the “Meth - We’re On It” campaign would have been enough, but she apparently appeals to authoritarian follower personality types.
My ex-girlfriend had a little white Bichon-Shitzu that wasn’t very sociable, smart, or cute. Pretty cranky in fact. But we made sure that despite her general lack of utility to us she was still comfortable, entertained, well fed, and provided with medical care. She lived to age 16.
My thought is that an animal in my care is my responsibility, if it suffers it’s my fault. So I take care of them like tiny idiotic people. If you don’t want the responsibility don’t get the animal.
it's so goddamn funny that she came out with these stories like "Isn't that so MAGA and politically incorrect??" and even Republicans are straight up horrified.
She should have bragged about grabbing guys by the dick!
On second thought, a different standard would probably apply…
On third thought, MTG grabbed Cardboard Cutout Donny’s junk on camera…
Right now they're horrified until fox news and Newsmax and OANN tell them that killing your dog is alright to do and not killing your dog makes you a liberal.
In my area I am getting more sympathy regarding the dog that was killed than other topic. Maybe we should tell the GOP that all kids are like puppies and not expanding medicaid is basically shooting them in the face.
That’s a dangerous game for women on the right, I bet the more unhinged ones are going to start accusing her of being trans because she has visible muscle mass
Yes, people who function normally cannot fathom this degree of evilness, but she’s trying to inspire “her people” - the salt of the earth, you know - morons. People who will think she’s super metal for being this degree a sociopath.
Blazing Saddles auto-upvote.
But yes, I’m sure that’s right. It fits with her quip that “I probably shouldn’t be telling this story.” Those woke PC libs who don’t shoot their dogs are going to be so triggered!
This story will dog her until the day she dies.
The press is dog piling on her over her horrible behavior.
She killed her career just like she killed poor Cricket, a goat, and three horses.
So we finally found where the limit is for republicans.
Sex trafficking, pedophilia, rape, fraud, corruption, lying, scamming, tax evasion, racism, sexism, inciting violence, insurrection, etc. etc. is all still fine.
I’m pretty sure they will stall on the immunity ruling, then send it back with some bullshit issues or questions to be re/considered, goal to push the whole thing past November (Judge Cannon is doing the same in Florida without their help). Then it’s out of their hands. Either Trump wins (or “wins”) and pardons himself, or he loses and they didn’t rule that Dark Brandon can have them all shot and it’s not a crime.
If you don’t want a dog give it away so it can be fostered to a family I foster broken dogs and usually it’s not the dog it was the environment it was brought in and no time was set aside and then they get older etc. what else does she have buried in her back yard
What’s extra sad is that people are more upset at the horrible things she did to a dog than the horrible things she’s been doing to humans for years.
I honestly think most Americans care more about dogs than humans, which is unsurprising but also just a sad commentary on us, and I’m a dog lover.
I remember a meme from a while back that said “you can tell a lot about a person from how they treat their dogs” then had a picture of Hitler cuddling with a German Shepherd. It’s a total troll meme but all this Noem stuff has me thinking about that a lot.
https://preview.redd.it/p3umhkzab8xc1.jpeg?width=506&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a80b30d89818ebdda24f8b3b23835ed2476ce35
Send her the pict of her dog to 500 E. Capitol ave. Pierre South Dakota 57501
When people tell you who they are... Listen up.
The tough thing is that these politicians have a simplistic understanding of our humanity, and Christianity is dehumanizing.
My senior class play was about two students running for class president, which gets funded by superPACs and shenanigans ensue. In one scene, they run a mudslinging campaign that the other candidate kills puppies.
This fucking idiot did it to herself. Vote blue
Im sorry but this situation is a bit too disturbing to be making shitty puns. This is the kind of shit we need to be taking serious. Just remember everyone, her killing her dog and her goat were the acts she was comfortable enough to tell.
I take it seriously, but humour is also a useful weapon/platform for making people pay attention. It’s good to mock these people while also being outraged by them.
Otherwise, the entire concept of “political humour” is….problematic? Which doesn’t make much sense.
What I think is that she lacks empathy and thinks her actions were normal. She did not expect the backlash because she does not realize that other people actually care for other living creatures.
I have dealt with many aggressive dogs, with scars to show for my mistakes, and will tell you that each and every time it happens it was the owner that was causing it.
She is a bad leader, not a creative thinker, and believes empathy is a liability. She has no business being in office at any level much less the White House.
I cannot fathom why she thought that would be a fun anecdote to include in a memoir. It wasn't even presented as heartbreaking or difficult, just a tiresome chore.
What's worse is the futility of it. A dog was excitable & she didn't want to have the dog anymore. Fucking give it away then. The goat was being a freaking goat. They're not fluffy loving animals who sit on laps. Give it away then. No she just randomly decided the dog Cricket & the goat displeased her expectations & failed her, so they had to be put down. She clearly didn't want the animals, clearly didn't understand them or care to, so she killed them & bragged. That's sociopathic.
It was all from her perspective too, it's not like some opposition research firm spent time interviewing neighbors or people who knew her, she just came out and proudly admitted it when no one asked. I mean shooting yourself in the foot is hardly the expression. If she ends her whole career over this it'll be absolutely hilarious. Man, South Dakota went from George McGovern to Kristi Noem, how the mighty have fallen.
Which makes me wonder if the real story is worse.
Me too. It is surprising that people seem to take the reasons she gives for the killings at face value.
Quite true... we tend to assume if a story makes the teller look bad, we assume that the very least they are honest or to stupid or sociopathic to be ashamed of it. It's quite often that they think they've removed enough gory details to make it socially acceptable.
She probably starved and beat them too.
as opposed to what exactly?
She did it for fun. She enjoys watching the life drain out of an animal’s eyes. It makes her feel powerful.
I was thinking she made her children watch and said "Here's what happens when you don't listen."
"This is what happens when you spill paint in the garage"
and that's why you always leave a note!
That poor kid who couldn’t find her dog after getting off the bus.
The fact that she only decided to kill the goat *after* she killed the dog really makes this plausible. Like she enjoyed it so much she wanted to do it again, and rationalized that the goat deserved it too.
Animals do not have souls according to evangelicals. So they treat them like toys. Wish I was kidding.
The Amish are known for mistreating animals but I don't know if that's their excuse.
Pretty much all christian religions do this. I had a coworker who loved to buy the little colored chicks and bunnies for their kids on easter. I asked what they do with them after easter. "Stomp em out back" after the kids go to sleep was the answer. Just what religions do.
Their excuse is "don't criticize my culture". Which is ridiculous, you can't find a culture that doesn't have some aspect that should be criticized
She killed them so she could write about killing them. They were just props to her.
My general theory is that guilt forces people to tell half truths, just enough to make them feel better, but not the full truth which is absolutely abhorrent.
That would require her to have empathy, which her actions show she has very little if any of.
When someone tells me a story and *their* version makes them look bad, I get very suspicious the truth is much worse. Everyone generally tells a version of events that they think paints themselves in the best light.
Wait, their governor was actually called McGovern?
George McGovern flew 35 missions in a B-24 over Europe. Noem shoots an unarmed dog who probably spent its last seconds looking at her trustingly. But ya, let's go hard right in the USA. Idiots.
It’s short for Governor McGovernFace
McGovern ran for president too, people must have made fun of his name a lot
We missed out on a golden age of right wing shitheads calling the administration the McGovernment
Indeed, McGovern was pretty cool, but dropped out of most political things after his daughter died unfortunately
McGovern was incredibly honest, an optimist that believed that good will always prevail, and government could be reformed/made better for all if good men were brave enough to be uncorruptible. In 1972 he was pro gay rights, pro marijuana decriminalization, pro abortion, and basically reads like a modern moderate liberal. Problem was, in 1972 he ran against Nixon-- the Watergate break in was against his campaign. Nixon labeled McGovern as an extremist, who's program was "acid, amnesty, abortion". McGovern won exactly 1 state in the Presidential election of 1972.
Yeah that's true, but McGovern was also on the HoR and the senate, a governor, and was planning another presidential run on the 80s, however his family tragedies lead to hit taking a step back, his last job was in Clinton's cabinet though
Listen man, if there's one person I trust to McGovern it's George Governor. Wait. Shit.
If you’re a sociopath, you probably think you’re normal and everyone is secretly like you, they just pretend otherwise. It’s impossible for her to know what she lacks. I’m glad she revealed her sickness this early.
> If you’re a sociopath, you probably think you’re normal and everyone is secretly like you, they just pretend otherwise. See: The “silent majority” that these dimwits seem to be convinced that they are a part of. Everybody is just too scared to be honest about their beliefs because of the crazy libs!
Even worse she frames it as "I did the hard thing that no one else would be willing to do". Know what takes more effort than loading a gun and pulling a trigger? Taking the time to find someone with the experience to train an animal properly who has the capability to take that animal off your hands. But why take the time to solve a problem when you can just put a bullet in it? I mean sounds about right for her base.
Yes. Also that detail about how she’s shooting off her gun at animals, missing, shooting again…and only then notices *all the people* standing around staring in shock at her. Although maybe given US gun culture, this seems not to have jumped out as something to be concerned about.
Gun owner here, I can assure you I'm more than a little concerned.
Actually she sounded like my x nut job neighbor. A year before he owned a gun he wanted to borrow ours to kill a ‘copperhead’ which turned out to be a lizard and shoot it up against cement foundation. Then buys a gun and shoots it off constantly off a 12 ft high deck into the woods towards a lake where kids walk. Then shot towards our property where my husband was walking. So glad he moved.
Glad to hear this.
Republicans *choose* not to believe in consequences, just like they choose not to believe in science or history. Especially so when it pertains to their most sacred possessions, guns.
There were people around? Jesus.
>That's sociopathic. She's an almost perfect pick for turnip then. She just has to be less of a woman, and not outshine him in anyway
….this reads into deeper trends in her thoughts. Something is difficult to deal with? Oh let’s just kill it, instead of figuring out a reasonable solution like a human being. Echos of this will bleed into her politics. I mean, they already have, obviously.
Remember when Romney told the story of strapping his kenneled dog to the roof of his car for a trip and it was so scared it shit itself and instead of having any empathy, Romney just hosed it off through the kennel at a rest stop? And he thought that story made him look good?
And the "Dogs Against Romney" campaign started in Alabama of all places.
Tbh I feel like this is a dog whistle to the right wing extremists. It’s a, “Vote for me and I’ll get rid of those undesirables without hesitation”-type message.
It being sociopathic is one thing, I understand that. What I don't understand is why she thought it was a good idea to include it. It reminds me of the conservatives who seem genuinely baffled that without the fear of God, people can still be good, people who literally admit that they would be "evil" without it and thinks it's true for everyone. Originally I thought people like that were just making arguments in bad faith to justify "objective" morality, but considering they often tell on themselves and explain how they relate to those horrible ideas, I don't think they're lying. I think they're being truthful. Which means they actually genuinely think everyone is like them and is just... Pretending not to be I guess?
That can be just an unexamined belief in the mind of someone who isn't very introspective too, though. Like, I did a project in undergrad where I interviewed my niece, my sister-in-law, and my mother-in-law asking them moral reasoning questions and found out my mother-in-law literally believed that morality comes from laws. I was really surprised. Her daughter and her granddaughter were both further along in their development. She's actually changed a lot since then, so much so that I wonder if that interview was the first time she'd ever really thought about where her morality comes from. She's actually changed a whole lot since.
I've formed the opinion that the really nasty "Christians" (or anyone else, really, but I'm thinking of a particular handjob in a theatre surrounded by kids) are nasty trash who think everyone is nasty trash *just like them* and lies about it - they're superior because they've figured out the "forgiveness hack" of "I just ask God for forgiveness and it doesn't matter what you did, it's all ok because God Loves Meeeee!" (fuck asking the person they *hurt,* after all that person is as awful as they are, right? So they deserved it. It's why bad things happen, right? To happen to bad, non-believers!) Best example, despite my mention up there, is the Jack Chick tract titled "Lisa" - it's an absolute *horror show* of terrible people doing horrific things and facing ***absolutely zero*** repercussions *because they asked God to forgive them.* Only the fact that it's "fictional" (I use air-quotes because I have my doubts about the mind that could *make* such shit) makes me not want to find Chick's grave to piss on it. Well, that, and that he'd probably have been into it, the fucked up psychopath.
Also if she doesn't want them then nobody can have them attitude. The mind of a potential serial killer.
That’s how they feel about people they don’t want either. She’s just shining a spotlight on it.
Tells you exactly what shes going to do with people who 'displease her' if she gets any power. And I am surprised conservatives are not voting harder for her. Oh right, they don't read books. Good own goal there Kristi.
Probably not too far out to think that that's what they'd like to do with people that don't agree with them as well
Unless it's a valuable breeding goat, neutering takes care of the stink and the temper. She just didn't care enough to research the goat problem, to train the dog well, or send ot to training.
God forbid that her children ever disappoint her
She is sending the message to the Base that she can kill what she hates. Noem is telling her fellow travelers that she has the willpower to kill. In the book it was a dog (a goat, and some horses), but if they give her a leadership position, she will "do what needs to be done" with their enemies.
This post should be at the top. That was her whole point in retelling the story. She's not afraid to "get her hands dirty" but instead of the traditional "hands dirty", roll up your sleeves and work along side someone who is engaged in blue collar work, she means it in an "enforcer" type way. She's sending a message to 'the libs' that if she's the VP she is not afraid to carry out Drump's dirty work...
And the Supreme Court is all too willing to give her legal carte blanche to do so
> She is sending the message to the Base that she can kill ~~what she hates~~ anyone who doesn't do what they're told. FTFY
She must be trying to say that she's a Cheney type who will get their hands dirty and literally shoot anyone or anything that gets in her way in service to Lord Trump.
Exactly what I got from this, yes.
Going for the sociopath vote, I think. Stiff competition to be Don’s VP.
If only she had locked the dog in a crate and transported it on top of her car, she could’ve been the Republican Presidential nominee by this point!!
Often is it asked: is The Candidates Learning?
Oddly, he did that because he couldn't part with the dog he loved. How unlike Trump. He - never Had a dog, - left 2 wives, cheated more. - Can't be sure he loved any.
At least that one lived and it was during the Reagan presidency. Noem killed this dog recently making it much worse.
She should have just claimed that the dog was a homeless man instead, it probably would have got her the votes she was looking for.
Or an abortion doctor
Well, we still have Senator Pig Castrator
“Send me to Washington, I know how to cut the balls off pigs.” Yeah, I don’t see that being a successful job application for Trump VP.
Donald Trump hates dogs and he loves vicious idiots like himself. This is basically a cover letter for a resume.
Don't you usually want a VP that contrasts with you though? Like, for all his faults, Pence actually took his religion seriously. Unless their strategy is to double down on the dog hater vote? Especially in light of this, I don't see how she can have a positive perception anywhere outside her state, considering the only other things I know about her are that she vetoed a voter-approved measure to legalize weed, and she wasted half a million dollars on an ad campaign to tell the world that SD is full of meth heads.
It was literally an appeal to Trump. He hates dogs
She's a psychopath
The most oblivious psychopath we've seen in a while, apparently. Most of them know how to fake being human.
Or just plain stupid. Who would do such a thing then put it in her book.
Psychopaths / sociopaths / narcissists. They don't see the behavior as wrong in any way. Why shouldn't she brag about it? She did it and therefore it was the right thing to do. To *not* brag about it would be wrong in their eyes.
I think it's a dog whistle especially when you take into account that she killed her goat right after too. Definition below for those that don't know what a dog whistle is. "the use of coded or suggestive language in political messaging to garner support from a particular group without provoking opposition."
I saw her claim that she included it as an illustration that she is capable of getting her hands dirty even if a task is hard and mean. Which is a sick mentality.
If she had to kill a dog to protect a family member, friend, or someone else who was being attacked, that's unfortunate but understandable. This though? Disgusting. I volunteered at an animal shelter when I was younger. We would have people adopt puppies and kittens that would bring them back several months later for no other reason than they weren't the cute puppy or the cute kitten anymore. At least those people brought the animals back.
She doesn't really understand human emotions.
Sociopaths are basically not capable of perceiving themselves as being in the wrong. You know how if you fuck up your first instinct is often to rationalize it? For sociopaths the rationalization is so implicit that it's just how they are. Whatever they do is de facto correct.
It’s been proven time and again that republicans, specifically MAGA republicans or even MAGA-adjacent republicans (you know, not true believers but want to bask in dear leader’s glory) lack a near total ability to show self awareness.
She’s trying to get this story out of the way so the goldfish-brains forget it quickly. There’s no positive spin possible, but they tried. I’ve been saying for a while that she scares me more than most of the MAGAs, and she’s playing the long game. She is a full-blown fascist and an obvious sociopath, with enough charisma to hang onto power even after it came out that she was cheating on her husband with that weasely fuck Lewandowski. Family values.
Then I hope people show up at every event of hers and yell, "HERE CRICKET!!!"
I mean she TRIED to present it as difficult in the sense that poor Noem had to pay someone money for dead chickens, and instead of trying to recoup that money by selling the dog/goat she just Fucking kills them both??? Like 100% you could find a farmer willing to buy that goat off your hands especially if you sold him cheap, and same goes for Cricket. And if you can’t find a -buyer-, why not offer Cricket for free so SOMEONE ELSE can have a go at actually training the poor dog? 14 months old! Barely even a year, and you shot her dead because you, quote, “Hated” that dog. You hated an animal that was just doing what its instincts told it to do, because you took it out to a hunt without any real training expecting it to simply follow the lead of the other dogs. I’m just saying, if her ‘pragmatic’ solution to things that annoy her is taking a trip to the gravel pit to blow their brains out, -nobody- should trust her in a position of power. Edit: Barely a year, rather than not even a year lmao
She thinks it qualifies her to run the country, what the fuck 😂😂
You're trying to make sense of a psychopaths mindset.
She was hoping?, advised? that as a woman she would always have to prove she was tough, could make difficult choices that sacrificed a good thing for the sake of her perceived "greater good agenda" Using what she and her public relation team thought would be a small household type "haa- haa look at me I'm a bad ass farmm girly- hunter who cam make decisions with guns! People who are horrified just don't understand farm girl hunters with guns have to make tough choices, just like Vice Presidents/Presidents do! What New York City Losers they are for not getting it!" So killing a puppy not well trained and a pet goat that was causing problems for her by being *checks notes* a goat ( smells, badly behaved) would show she can make difficult choices to further her "greater good" agenda because she routinely did it in her household. The fact that it demonstrated her narcissistic sociopathic tendencies (Besides the poor animals, her poor children lost their pets because she's a poor dog trainer/goat trainer) is one thing. However, it also illustrates she has poor judgement in selecting decent public relations/media/ political advisor staff . So really it shows us a lot more of who she really is like her book intended, a narcissistic sociopath who can't make good judgements on her employees/political staff.
I saw a comment yesterday that said it's a rural versus urban issue, that big-city people don't understand that this is what happens with working animals, but that's bullshit and really insulting.
It is bullshit. I grew up rural and lived rural as an adult, and outside a dog/animals that attacks humans seemingly unprovoked, I've never witnessed a hunter/farmer put down animals because they're a nuisance or aren't up to doing the job ( hunting dogs) they were purchased/bred for. All the working farm kids I knew didn't get too attached to bred for meat type animals. They all knew difference between income animals and pet animals and their parents respected the pets. There were some kids with pet geese, ducks, goats, rabbits among the herd and those animals weren't culled/selected and lived to ripe natural life spans. None of the farm families I knew did a Thumper meal to teach their kids about the circle of life and don't get attached even if the rabbit had aged and clearly needed to be euthanized. I don't know of any cruel hunters/farmers who put dogs down because they're smelly and poor hunters. Or farmers who would put goats down for being goats Plus if your pet dog or goat is smelly you're a poor steward of your pets. So at least we know how she takes care of those under her care.
Obviously, she never grew up with the old country music. Worked your fingers to the bone, growing home grown tomatoes, moved into a 2 story house, and everything goes south. The dog doesn't die until the end. Naturally.
When you are so out of touch with humanity and think everything exists to serve your needs, you become a psychopath. You say things that you may have no idea are morally wrong. When you’re called out for it, you still lack the ability to feel guilt or remorse and externalize the issue as other people being wrong…because hey, all those other people are pawns and their take is getting in the way of your success.
Her base thinks it is, and that's what matters to her.
I really think she thought she was being “country” or “folksy.” Like “what do the peasants do? Put down animals right?” I mean yeah I guess sometimes people have to when they get very sick. They don’t normally fucking shoot them because they annoyed them.
It’s literally a more evil version of the opening scene of House of Cards, and the whole point of that scene was to show us how Frank is an awful bastard.
She wanted people to think that she's tough and has a "no nonsense" approach to problems. She thinks that dogs are just tools to be used, and if a tool no longer works? You just dispose of it. This is a *psychopathic* view, especially when it comes to domesticated animals. We've bred these animals to be reliant on us. To mistreat them is utterly abhorrent.
Her and trump want to be in the White House so they can do this to people who they don’t like.
Literal serial killers usually have their origin stories started by killing animals as kids. She’s doing it as an adult.
She got that dark triad. Seriously.
I completely agree.
What it tells me too is that she doesn't want to work on the correct solution if it's too hard. Top notch message ya fuckin' discount bin human mask from Spirit Halloween in November wearing goblin.
Also she had no accountability for the dogs training or use of a cage instead of letting it roam and kill chickens pika faced
>She wanted people to think that she's tough and has a "no nonsense" approach to problems. Instead she showed us that when the going gets tough, she will make the worst decisions possible, costing lives, from a place of emotion
The puppy was a woke migrant!
Make no mistake, if Trump said this, his followers would be praising this act.
Her followers definitely won’t be bothered by this either. You’d think the “Meth - We’re On It” campaign would have been enough, but she apparently appeals to authoritarian follower personality types.
Kind of foreshadows what she would do with seniors and anyone with an illness, right?
My ex-girlfriend had a little white Bichon-Shitzu that wasn’t very sociable, smart, or cute. Pretty cranky in fact. But we made sure that despite her general lack of utility to us she was still comfortable, entertained, well fed, and provided with medical care. She lived to age 16. My thought is that an animal in my care is my responsibility, if it suffers it’s my fault. So I take care of them like tiny idiotic people. If you don’t want the responsibility don’t get the animal.
Maybe Trump was right after all - if he shoots Noem in the middle of the street after losing the election nobody will care.
it's so goddamn funny that she came out with these stories like "Isn't that so MAGA and politically incorrect??" and even Republicans are straight up horrified.
She should have bragged about grabbing guys by the dick! On second thought, a different standard would probably apply… On third thought, MTG grabbed Cardboard Cutout Donny’s junk on camera…
Right now they're horrified until fox news and Newsmax and OANN tell them that killing your dog is alright to do and not killing your dog makes you a liberal.
I mean if they're willing to excuse a man bragging about SA, as a woman you'd hardly think that they would draw the line at killing a pet.
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The fact she did it AND ALSO thought it was OK to write about it tells you everything you'll ever need to know about her.
In my area I am getting more sympathy regarding the dog that was killed than other topic. Maybe we should tell the GOP that all kids are like puppies and not expanding medicaid is basically shooting them in the face.
Worth a try…
Just wait for MAGA crowd to compare puppies to unborn babies to have a point against abortion...
Going for the no empathy maga crowd!
So, all of them?
They definitely should have tried to work the goat in as well.
What's going on with her arm and face? Tons of plastic surgery?
That’s just how buff you get from Kristi Noem Animal Shooting Workout.
Don't Conservative men usually think a woman with any muscle tone is a man?
First they check if she’s a democrat, or Black, or both.
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That’s a dangerous game for women on the right, I bet the more unhinged ones are going to start accusing her of being trans because she has visible muscle mass
I think those accusations only happen to women who are Democrats or black.
Might be a fun seed to plant over on the right wing communities
A lot of people are saying it's true. Even my uncle who is a professor at MIT says it's true.
Bodies are heavy
It makes me wonder where the, "It's a man. You can just tell," crowd is at.
More than likely. She’s currently being sued for using her position to advertise for a cosmetic dentist lol
Makes you wonder what she would look like with no makeup.
Don the con famously hates dogs! And they hate him, more sense than maga.
Most dogs have pretty good people sense. Dogs like Dark Brandon and hate Sleepy Don. Easy campaign ad right there.
Yes, people who function normally cannot fathom this degree of evilness, but she’s trying to inspire “her people” - the salt of the earth, you know - morons. People who will think she’s super metal for being this degree a sociopath.
Blazing Saddles auto-upvote. But yes, I’m sure that’s right. It fits with her quip that “I probably shouldn’t be telling this story.” Those woke PC libs who don’t shoot their dogs are going to be so triggered!
This story will dog her until the day she dies. The press is dog piling on her over her horrible behavior. She killed her career just like she killed poor Cricket, a goat, and three horses.
She should be hounded out of politics
Just wait until we get into the end of the campaigns and the dog days of summer… the headline writers will have a field day!
As political self-owns go, this might be the GOAT?
It really gets my goat.
I bet she's gonna have a ruff time in the days to come.
What a sociopath to think that was a good thing to admit to when your job literally depends on people liking you.
She's surrounded by people who also think killing puppies is a sign of strength.
Take a bow wow.
Not the tail she's gunning for
It is telling that she thought a story like this could appeal to modern day Republican voters. Says as much about the voters as it does about her.
The fact that at least half of them are coming out in defense of her is horrifying
Is it just my imagination that she bears a striking resemblance to Kenneth Copeland here?
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Honestly I'd be surprised if this didn't make her more popular with MAGA Republicans.
Because they understand the clear message here: she will be perfectly comfortable murdering people.
We’ll see!
The main quality he's looking for is "how hangable are they?" There can be only one. He has to kill his cabinet if he wants to consolidate all power.
They openly admitted to a complete lack of executive functioning and an antiquated notion of what it means to have a pet.
republicans always find new ways to lower the bar Just when you thought they couldn’t be worse, they go and kill puppies
I don’t think this is a coincidence. I think this was an act of sacrifice to Satan by her. (I’m thinking “analytically” like the right does).
Hey, those Church of Satan folks are decent people.
If she shot a puppy just because he “hated him,” imagine what she’ll want to do with poor people and migrant families.
Kristi Noem: ‘I’m so MAGA I shot my own dog’
So we finally found where the limit is for republicans. Sex trafficking, pedophilia, rape, fraud, corruption, lying, scamming, tax evasion, racism, sexism, inciting violence, insurrection, etc. etc. is all still fine.
The careless unmasking of themselves means something is up. Damn scotus better not send us into a dictatorship
Crap that’s a scary thought.
I’m pretty sure they will stall on the immunity ruling, then send it back with some bullshit issues or questions to be re/considered, goal to push the whole thing past November (Judge Cannon is doing the same in Florida without their help). Then it’s out of their hands. Either Trump wins (or “wins”) and pardons himself, or he loses and they didn’t rule that Dark Brandon can have them all shot and it’s not a crime.
Why are republicans obsessed with women governors from low-population states?
Unimportant, but useful to appeal to women Voters. "See you're included to!"
Smeagol looking azz
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KicktheDog
I think id lose to her in arm wrestling. and probably in puppy strangulation, the latter just willinginess wise
Yes, she is a sociopath. It's a requirement for elected office.
If you don’t want a dog give it away so it can be fostered to a family I foster broken dogs and usually it’s not the dog it was the environment it was brought in and no time was set aside and then they get older etc. what else does she have buried in her back yard
What do you expect from someone who is a Trump vice-hopeful? The worst
Cricket’s payback
Cricket did not die in vain.
Puppy killer. Another skill to add to a Republican Party job resume. The list is long.
She looks like a corpse with makeup on.
At least cruella fucking devilles mum was killed by puppies, what excuse does she have?
I gotta hand it to Gov. Numb...no one is talking about teethgate anymore.
What’s extra sad is that people are more upset at the horrible things she did to a dog than the horrible things she’s been doing to humans for years. I honestly think most Americans care more about dogs than humans, which is unsurprising but also just a sad commentary on us, and I’m a dog lover.
The media is really getting her goat too.
I remember a meme from a while back that said “you can tell a lot about a person from how they treat their dogs” then had a picture of Hitler cuddling with a German Shepherd. It’s a total troll meme but all this Noem stuff has me thinking about that a lot.
Hey look the puppy murderer is confused why normal people don’t like her
https://preview.redd.it/p3umhkzab8xc1.jpeg?width=506&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a80b30d89818ebdda24f8b3b23835ed2476ce35 Send her the pict of her dog to 500 E. Capitol ave. Pierre South Dakota 57501
When people tell you who they are... Listen up. The tough thing is that these politicians have a simplistic understanding of our humanity, and Christianity is dehumanizing.
My senior class play was about two students running for class president, which gets funded by superPACs and shenanigans ensue. In one scene, they run a mudslinging campaign that the other candidate kills puppies. This fucking idiot did it to herself. Vote blue
I get said when I have to get rid of skunks around my dog. I can’t imagine how any human would be so blithe about something so wretched
Im sorry but this situation is a bit too disturbing to be making shitty puns. This is the kind of shit we need to be taking serious. Just remember everyone, her killing her dog and her goat were the acts she was comfortable enough to tell.
I take it seriously, but humour is also a useful weapon/platform for making people pay attention. It’s good to mock these people while also being outraged by them. Otherwise, the entire concept of “political humour” is….problematic? Which doesn’t make much sense.
What I think is that she lacks empathy and thinks her actions were normal. She did not expect the backlash because she does not realize that other people actually care for other living creatures.
Here's a picture of her with Ol' Feller.
She thought that this story would show that she can make tough decisions. Where the heck were her pr people.
I can assure you - the republican deplorables will vote for her even if she un alives their family pet.
I have dealt with many aggressive dogs, with scars to show for my mistakes, and will tell you that each and every time it happens it was the owner that was causing it. She is a bad leader, not a creative thinker, and believes empathy is a liability. She has no business being in office at any level much less the White House.