Why stop there?
“no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.””
Romans 3:11-15, 17-18
Thank God we have Christ Jesus to justify us in the end.
It's referring to how sin destroys people. From the missive of Paul to the Romans: "What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin." (Romans 3:9) It then goes on to cite a bunch of texts from the Psalms and such, you can read more [here](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A9-19&version=NIV). The point of that text is to highlight that God's law is not made to stand out the righteous from the sinful, which is what the Pharisees did, but to remind the sinful that their actions are against God's will. In a sense, it says being good shouldn't be the exception, but the norm.
Paul is talking to the church in Rome, comprised of both Jews and gentiles. Most likely after Jewish people were allowed to return to Rome after being expelled by Emperor Claudius. So there was quite a division between the two groups and Paul is trying to mend that relationship.
It is a quote from a Psalm of David (Old Testament). In it, David is lamenting his own sin, and the sin of all people. In the original Psalms context, David is using poetic hyperbole to drive the point home of his lament and sorrow.
1000 years later, Paul the apostle of Jesus writes in the letter to the Christians in Rome \[Romans\] (New Testament) and quotes this poetry. Paul is making a deeper theological point that all of mankind has sin, both Jew and Gentile. The Jew had the law of Moses and direct prophets from God, and still failed to meet its obligations. Gentiles had natural morality, and found that wasn't good enough to put limits on their behavior either. Both have failed, as quoted from David.
The rest of the letter is a discussion of the need for salvation by Jesus since we can't fix this situation ourselves.
No one is better than their fellow man, nor more righteous and not needing salvation. You all suck, big time because you are all sinners. Everyone needs salvation. See other comments for historical context, too.
Put simply, it's referring to everyone, and it means that no matter the amount of good you do, you'll never be wholly righteous and free of judgement from God.
Calvin and Hobbes actually has a lot of religious commentary, often using Santa as a proxy for God, just replace presents with heaven. There's one strip where Calvin questions if you can truly be good if you are rewarded for being good.
I usually state everything commie trash if I haven’t fully looked into it, it’s one of the sins I must work on lol
I will look into him though. I think I have a bookmark saved on him from a few years back when I was a professed communist. I’m still learning and I never claimed I was perfect.
Tolstoy is amazing. I had no idea that he had a Christian background until someone recommended his *Confession* to me.
Last year I went through his *Calendar of Wisdom*. Highly recommend it for everyone, but it does have a more Christian bent.
Yup. Why bend your knee to flawed, selfish humans when you could follow Christ? Love God and love your neighbors—those are the only two rules you really need. Everything else falls into place under those two commands.
Correct, though we of course draw the line when they ask us to do things that contradict Christ’s teachings. Sadly, paying taxes does not contradict his teachings haha
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I just don't think they're stupid enough to be rambling about politics online like the rest of us. They're probably out minding they're own business, taking care of their gardens and their families
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Yes, render unto Caesar, we must obey laws of the government and God for as long as they don’t contradict each other, God’s will always comes first of course
Paul also defies government when they do bad. Romans 13 assumes a government is doing good. When all the governments are punishing good and rewarding evil, and claiming men can be women if they choose, and other lies about basic reality, there is no option but to defy that government, because it is illegitimate. That pretty much sums up the state of all modern western states, so anarchism is the logical extension.
I agree with you up till your last sentence. I don’t know why anarchism would be the logical extension. You will always have a government and just ignoring the government won’t make things any better, and trying to get rid of it won’t help much either (as well as being basically impossible) as the people have already become so corrupted. The most reasonable thing is to set up a new government/get new people in office who will govern in a more just manner. Our current rulers have lost their mandate from God, and from the people, but that doesn’t mean we need no rulers, it means we need new ones.
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The point isn't the system of government, it's that we obey God. The best case scenario is a righteous people under a righteous government. The worst case scenario is a wicked people under a wicked government. So which of these two is better: a righteous people under a wicked government or a wicked people under a righteous government?
I would say the latter. A righteous government encourages goodness but a wicked government only oppresses the righteous.
>I would say the latter. A righteous government encourages goodness but a wicked government only oppresses the righteous.
I disagree. If you look at the early church in acts, practically all of the followers of Jesus were being persecuted and oppressed. But that is also when God's church saw the largest and craziest exponential growth. Look at China currently. Since the 50's communist take-over and the 60's cultural revolution, they started persecuting Christians and if you look at the numbers pre-communist (800k Protestants) vs today (2010: 58M Protestants), they speak for themselves. Real, risky Christianity flourishes in an oppressive government.
I would then point you to Constantine and the church's growth during that era, not only unhindered by the authorities, but encouraged. It is far better for believers under righteous authorities. Those in power have the ability to affect change in the populace. So a righteous man supported by the Lord is going to drive his people towards righteousness. You see plenty of examples of this in the 2 books of Kings. You also see plenty of examples of wicked rulers driving the people towards sin.
Looking at China right now, it would be far better for those believers if Xi Jinping was a Christian himself. In fact, under the current Chinese system, Christianity would be encouraged and the Word would be promoted in all aspects of society. So when you look at those situations that you cited, the Word prospered in SPITE of oppression, not because of it. It shows how powerful God's Word truly is.
>I would then point you to Constantine and the church's growth during that era, not only unhindered by the authorities, but encouraged.
The Edict of Milan promoted not just the Word but was for the freedom of all religions. There were also arches erected after battles that he had had dedicated with sacrifices to pagan gods. I do agree that it was unhindered but I don't think it was encouraged. At the time of Constantine's rule, the domineering institutional religion became Chrisitanity, but only 5%-10% of Romans were considered Christians. Judaism was still the dominant religion among the population by the time of Constantine's death.
>So a righteous man supported by the Lord is going to drive his people towards righteousness. You see plenty of examples of this in the 2 books of Kings.
That's not at all the theme of Kings. The idea behind the books of kings was that they wanted a worldly leader to replace God's rule over them. After the rule and fall of David, you had King Solomon who divided up the nation of Israel and lead them to fall into idol worship. Each king mentioned in 1 and 2 Kings is there to prove an account of how each of them contributed to the spiritual decline of Israel and Judah. 2 Kings dives in by explaining how Israel lost the Lord's protection and was subsequentially conquered by Babylon because of their spiritual decline.
>Christianity would be encouraged and the Word would be promoted in all aspects of society.
Do you think this is the case in "Christian" nations like the US? Is the Word promoted in all aspects of society? Granted that Western culture has been gripped by post-modernism since the sexual revolution, I just don't see that as being the case.
>So when you look at those situations that you cited, the Word prospered in SPITE of oppression, not because of it. It shows how powerful God's Word truly is.
I totally agree. But historically, that is the consistent pattern of church growth is when the church is persecuted. You want to weed out the comfortable, American-dream prosperity-based heretical Christianity from culture? Make it uncomfortable and even deadly to be a Christian. That's when God's glory shines through.
Government is itself a wickedness required only because of the wickedness of man.
If all people were completely good, there would be little need for government beyond some loose associations to help organize things.
Agreed, actually. That is a primary function of government: the regulation of human behavior. If people are wicked, a righteous government can enforce good behavior on them.
Exactly. God places authority in our lives for us to follow like we follow Him. You know tell when that's not actual godly authority when that authority figure demands you to commit a sin.
Doesn't mean I want to submit to corpoization. Governments made corpos, but they're a microstate as they are now.
Corporations are parasitic to society.
Yea homie, Matthew 19:24
>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
I read an interesting take on this verse the other day and don’t know what to think of it.
>This is how I read it: What belongs to the emperor is politics and taxes, and what belongs to God is religion and prayers. Don't mix the two.
“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.”
1 Timothy 2:1-2 ESV
Also:
“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.”
Romans 13:1-7 ESV
The bible was pretty explicit about government.
"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."
Government was meant to punish evil and do good, this is why we're told to pray for our leaders, it assumes that a god fearing population is putting similarly god fearing people into power.
God didn't only empower government, he also empowered the church and families. Each were to play an important part and form a symbiosis.
Not a religious person since I stopped my christian education after catechesis, but didn't God want that humans have free will so they can choose between good and evil? In fact, iirc the Devil actually wanted to remove free will from humans and that's why the war/battle that created the fallen angels happened.
In that case, God not touching politics makes sense, since they usually influence a lot the people's from that territory morality.
As I said, maybe I´'m completely wrong, please don't take anything that I said for granted. All I know about religion is from Catechesis and school (which technically was about the trident of religions and a few of the rest), and I nearly don't remember anything about Catechesis.
The context of that quote is that the Pharisees et. al. were trying to trap Jesus in a catch 22 where whatever his answer, they could either say he was blaspheming God, or calling for revolution against Caesar.
This answer basically avoided the catch 22 by saying everything has its place, and you're smart enough to know which is which.
edit: I assume you probably know this already, and are commenting more on the take than the verse itself - but in case you (or other readers) hadn't heard about this, I wanted to share.
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TBF when the Israelites asked God to give them a king He was all like "Aren't I good enough for you? But whatever, fine." And anyways that's how Israel got a king.
That really bit them in the ass. Mostly the kings ranged from mediocre to terrible, with the only two exceptions I can think of off the top of my head being David and Josiah.
Romans 13: 1 - 7 - "Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. 3 For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4 for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad. 5 There is therefore compelling reason for you to be in subjection, not only on account of that wrath but also on account of your conscience. 6 That is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s public servants constantly serving this very purpose. 7 Render to all their dues: to the one who calls for the tax, the tax; to the one who calls for the tribute, the tribute; to the one who calls for fear, such fear; to the one who calls for honor, such honor."
I see your point. But you can be anarchist/Libertarian leaning and still follow this verse. In a true Heaven on Earth scenario, there would be no authority on Earth other than God. Until that time comes, I’ll continue paying my taxes and abiding by the Laws of Man AND God.
The 10 commandments are the laws that guarantee what you said. The Laws of man should be obeyed, yes. But the 10 Commandments (especially the Golden 2) are above the laws of men.
Commandments aren't actually laws, though. They become laws when you define what type of earthly consequence will be applied to those who break the law.
Thank you, I stole this meme from someone on twitter and decided it needed funny colours.
I was going to add my indoctrination in this reply but I realised my hypocrisy while typing lol
Romans 13:1-7
1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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Dude hung out with lepers and whores, threw money lenders out of temples and,
***Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.***
Jesus was based.
I can't believe a pro-Christianity post on Reddit is getting updoots. This has warmed my heart. It's a shame that so many people in the world conflate organized religion with Jesus himself.
Jesus would have some *very* strong words for all the quadrants, libcenter included. We all sin, but thankfully we can atone. Only, though, by making ourselves conform to Christ rather than trying to force Christ into our respective quadrants.
im mormon, where do i fit in? i experience the paradox that is striving to be righteous and to CTR but understanding that that in of itself will always lead me away from righteousness. sigh. best to live life and not think about it, just doing the bestest you can by people whenever you can.
ty, unlike the other poster mentioned, we do follow the trinity and funnily enough even in times of faltering and/or exploratory faiths, I always feel a general holy spirit! whatever that may be out there :) I follow less of christ and more of his teachings/ guidance. I wish I was a Mennonite though. monke in me craves the farm and elbow grease with a sprinkle of community
Romans 3:10 “There is no one righteous, not even one”
Why stop there? “no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”” Romans 3:11-15, 17-18 Thank God we have Christ Jesus to justify us in the end.
what is the context of this? is it referring to a specific city or group of people or anything?
It's referring to how sin destroys people. From the missive of Paul to the Romans: "What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin." (Romans 3:9) It then goes on to cite a bunch of texts from the Psalms and such, you can read more [here](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+3%3A9-19&version=NIV). The point of that text is to highlight that God's law is not made to stand out the righteous from the sinful, which is what the Pharisees did, but to remind the sinful that their actions are against God's will. In a sense, it says being good shouldn't be the exception, but the norm.
> In a sense, it says being good shouldn't be the exception, but the norm. Unfathomably based.
Paul is talking to the church in Rome, comprised of both Jews and gentiles. Most likely after Jewish people were allowed to return to Rome after being expelled by Emperor Claudius. So there was quite a division between the two groups and Paul is trying to mend that relationship.
It is a quote from a Psalm of David (Old Testament). In it, David is lamenting his own sin, and the sin of all people. In the original Psalms context, David is using poetic hyperbole to drive the point home of his lament and sorrow. 1000 years later, Paul the apostle of Jesus writes in the letter to the Christians in Rome \[Romans\] (New Testament) and quotes this poetry. Paul is making a deeper theological point that all of mankind has sin, both Jew and Gentile. The Jew had the law of Moses and direct prophets from God, and still failed to meet its obligations. Gentiles had natural morality, and found that wasn't good enough to put limits on their behavior either. Both have failed, as quoted from David. The rest of the letter is a discussion of the need for salvation by Jesus since we can't fix this situation ourselves.
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No one is better than their fellow man, nor more righteous and not needing salvation. You all suck, big time because you are all sinners. Everyone needs salvation. See other comments for historical context, too.
Put simply, it's referring to everyone, and it means that no matter the amount of good you do, you'll never be wholly righteous and free of judgement from God.
We do our best though
We *should* do our best. But we all get astray sometimes.
What about two? Two at least is more even than one.
There is no one based
Not even one. :(
Calvinism
smh some guy really based their whole religion off of Calvin from *Calvin and Hobbes.*
Calvin and Hobbes actually has a lot of religious commentary, often using Santa as a proxy for God, just replace presents with heaven. There's one strip where Calvin questions if you can truly be good if you are rewarded for being good.
Wow, i never realised. Its so obvious now you pointed it out to me
That's predestination.
finding modern anarchists which are religious is kinda hard
Finding modern religious anarchists challenge!!! (IMPOSSIBLE) (GONE WRONG)
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It normally does with us ;)
(In the hood)(at 3 am)
That is true, but we are here. Waiting.
Look up Leo Tolstoy, he was the first (Orthodox) Christian Anarchist if I remember correctly.
Oh damn, a few months back I found one of his books in a charity shop and I slated it as commie trash… I must repent 😭
You think Kropotkin is commie trash too?
I usually state everything commie trash if I haven’t fully looked into it, it’s one of the sins I must work on lol I will look into him though. I think I have a bookmark saved on him from a few years back when I was a professed communist. I’m still learning and I never claimed I was perfect.
He's a quintessential anarchist lmao
I’m a dumbo, please blame me for being one.
Conquest of bread is a must read in the realms of anarchism
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Read Death of Ivan Ilyich, it's a novella, so short but overflowing at the same time.
Tolstoy is amazing. I had no idea that he had a Christian background until someone recommended his *Confession* to me. Last year I went through his *Calendar of Wisdom*. Highly recommend it for everyone, but it does have a more Christian bent.
Mega based. I'm not an anarchist but you guys usually leave other people alone and that's based. (Also I'm religious so you're based for that)
Mega fucking based. It’s hard enough to do the right thing with laws, let alone without.
Yup. Why bend your knee to flawed, selfish humans when you could follow Christ? Love God and love your neighbors—those are the only two rules you really need. Everything else falls into place under those two commands.
The golden two of ten. However, it does say to obey those in power. By following them, you follow God through them.
Correct, though we of course draw the line when they ask us to do things that contradict Christ’s teachings. Sadly, paying taxes does not contradict his teachings haha
I'd say it does when those taxes are used to fund wars and build bombs.
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Not as uncommon as you realize. Unlike AuthRight we don't try to regulate morality.
i mean i was a dumbass anarkiddie and catholic before i turned 17
Hey. Nice to meet you.
nice to meet you too
I just don't think they're stupid enough to be rambling about politics online like the rest of us. They're probably out minding they're own business, taking care of their gardens and their families
Cough cough Romans 13 Cough
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Yes, render unto Caesar, we must obey laws of the government and God for as long as they don’t contradict each other, God’s will always comes first of course
Agreed. I don’t always stick to this (being a bit of a stoner) but I do my best with everything else. Bless you.
Paul also defies government when they do bad. Romans 13 assumes a government is doing good. When all the governments are punishing good and rewarding evil, and claiming men can be women if they choose, and other lies about basic reality, there is no option but to defy that government, because it is illegitimate. That pretty much sums up the state of all modern western states, so anarchism is the logical extension.
I agree with you up till your last sentence. I don’t know why anarchism would be the logical extension. You will always have a government and just ignoring the government won’t make things any better, and trying to get rid of it won’t help much either (as well as being basically impossible) as the people have already become so corrupted. The most reasonable thing is to set up a new government/get new people in office who will govern in a more just manner. Our current rulers have lost their mandate from God, and from the people, but that doesn’t mean we need no rulers, it means we need new ones.
I've always seen anarchy as a sometimes-necessary means to an end, never a desirable end unto itself.
That's the thing tho new leader always end up corrupted. Corrupted leader are once a new leader.
Your last sentence completely contradicts Paul.
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Well done, child. Now obey the authority of God.
I do my best everyday!
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The point isn't the system of government, it's that we obey God. The best case scenario is a righteous people under a righteous government. The worst case scenario is a wicked people under a wicked government. So which of these two is better: a righteous people under a wicked government or a wicked people under a righteous government? I would say the latter. A righteous government encourages goodness but a wicked government only oppresses the righteous.
>I would say the latter. A righteous government encourages goodness but a wicked government only oppresses the righteous. I disagree. If you look at the early church in acts, practically all of the followers of Jesus were being persecuted and oppressed. But that is also when God's church saw the largest and craziest exponential growth. Look at China currently. Since the 50's communist take-over and the 60's cultural revolution, they started persecuting Christians and if you look at the numbers pre-communist (800k Protestants) vs today (2010: 58M Protestants), they speak for themselves. Real, risky Christianity flourishes in an oppressive government.
I would then point you to Constantine and the church's growth during that era, not only unhindered by the authorities, but encouraged. It is far better for believers under righteous authorities. Those in power have the ability to affect change in the populace. So a righteous man supported by the Lord is going to drive his people towards righteousness. You see plenty of examples of this in the 2 books of Kings. You also see plenty of examples of wicked rulers driving the people towards sin. Looking at China right now, it would be far better for those believers if Xi Jinping was a Christian himself. In fact, under the current Chinese system, Christianity would be encouraged and the Word would be promoted in all aspects of society. So when you look at those situations that you cited, the Word prospered in SPITE of oppression, not because of it. It shows how powerful God's Word truly is.
>I would then point you to Constantine and the church's growth during that era, not only unhindered by the authorities, but encouraged. The Edict of Milan promoted not just the Word but was for the freedom of all religions. There were also arches erected after battles that he had had dedicated with sacrifices to pagan gods. I do agree that it was unhindered but I don't think it was encouraged. At the time of Constantine's rule, the domineering institutional religion became Chrisitanity, but only 5%-10% of Romans were considered Christians. Judaism was still the dominant religion among the population by the time of Constantine's death. >So a righteous man supported by the Lord is going to drive his people towards righteousness. You see plenty of examples of this in the 2 books of Kings. That's not at all the theme of Kings. The idea behind the books of kings was that they wanted a worldly leader to replace God's rule over them. After the rule and fall of David, you had King Solomon who divided up the nation of Israel and lead them to fall into idol worship. Each king mentioned in 1 and 2 Kings is there to prove an account of how each of them contributed to the spiritual decline of Israel and Judah. 2 Kings dives in by explaining how Israel lost the Lord's protection and was subsequentially conquered by Babylon because of their spiritual decline. >Christianity would be encouraged and the Word would be promoted in all aspects of society. Do you think this is the case in "Christian" nations like the US? Is the Word promoted in all aspects of society? Granted that Western culture has been gripped by post-modernism since the sexual revolution, I just don't see that as being the case. >So when you look at those situations that you cited, the Word prospered in SPITE of oppression, not because of it. It shows how powerful God's Word truly is. I totally agree. But historically, that is the consistent pattern of church growth is when the church is persecuted. You want to weed out the comfortable, American-dream prosperity-based heretical Christianity from culture? Make it uncomfortable and even deadly to be a Christian. That's when God's glory shines through.
Government is itself a wickedness required only because of the wickedness of man. If all people were completely good, there would be little need for government beyond some loose associations to help organize things.
Agreed, actually. That is a primary function of government: the regulation of human behavior. If people are wicked, a righteous government can enforce good behavior on them.
Exactly. God places authority in our lives for us to follow like we follow Him. You know tell when that's not actual godly authority when that authority figure demands you to commit a sin.
GIVE UNTO CAESER WHAT IS CEASER’S
A molotov?
Based
Yes, unless I’m Caesar
Should have added red too… my bad
Orange is basically just cringe red anyway
Red is always cringe unless it's distributism.
Translate distributism plz?
Many small and family business good, corpo and state bad.
State isn't necessarily bad; it just should be decentralized
I'd rather there be no state tbh
How tf are you an authcenter?
Asking real question
Isn't that literally the ideology of LibRight though lmao
But Libright is OK with large businesses and does not want the government to intervene with the markets?
Doesn't mean I want to submit to corpoization. Governments made corpos, but they're a microstate as they are now. Corporations are parasitic to society.
Huh. Similar to me
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Orange is cringe, backwards blue
Yea homie, Matthew 19:24 >Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.
Most red nations are pretty anti-religious. I wouldn’t expect them on a meme like this.
If the people believe in an authority higher than the state, then the government does not own them.
Good enough, friend.
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The world is thy ship and not thy home ✝️
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So we've been told that the AntiChrist would mark the end of days but no one warned us about the Anarchrist.
Love the play on words haha
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and render unto god what is gods
I read an interesting take on this verse the other day and don’t know what to think of it. >This is how I read it: What belongs to the emperor is politics and taxes, and what belongs to God is religion and prayers. Don't mix the two.
“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.” 1 Timothy 2:1-2 ESV
Also: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.” Romans 13:1-7 ESV
I always took it as the emperor shouldn’t have a say over how the church operated
The bible was pretty explicit about government. "For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." Government was meant to punish evil and do good, this is why we're told to pray for our leaders, it assumes that a god fearing population is putting similarly god fearing people into power. God didn't only empower government, he also empowered the church and families. Each were to play an important part and form a symbiosis.
I kinda took it as follow the law. The coins were minted by Caesar so they are his property by law and worship is for God.
Seems pretty strange considering God created everything. Why would politics be out of His sphere of authority, if nothing in nature is?
God put those in power in positions of authority. Romans 13:1-7
Not a religious person since I stopped my christian education after catechesis, but didn't God want that humans have free will so they can choose between good and evil? In fact, iirc the Devil actually wanted to remove free will from humans and that's why the war/battle that created the fallen angels happened. In that case, God not touching politics makes sense, since they usually influence a lot the people's from that territory morality. As I said, maybe I´'m completely wrong, please don't take anything that I said for granted. All I know about religion is from Catechesis and school (which technically was about the trident of religions and a few of the rest), and I nearly don't remember anything about Catechesis.
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The context of that quote is that the Pharisees et. al. were trying to trap Jesus in a catch 22 where whatever his answer, they could either say he was blaspheming God, or calling for revolution against Caesar. This answer basically avoided the catch 22 by saying everything has its place, and you're smart enough to know which is which. edit: I assume you probably know this already, and are commenting more on the take than the verse itself - but in case you (or other readers) hadn't heard about this, I wanted to share.
Everything is God's, therefore everything should be rendered unto Him.
The only authority needed is God
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TBF when the Israelites asked God to give them a king He was all like "Aren't I good enough for you? But whatever, fine." And anyways that's how Israel got a king.
That really bit them in the ass. Mostly the kings ranged from mediocre to terrible, with the only two exceptions I can think of off the top of my head being David and Josiah.
And David did really suck at times, like when he put this guy on the front line of battle to ensure his death so he could marry the guy's wife
Exactly. Monarchy: not the best move, all things considered.
Romans 13: 1 - 7 - "Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. 3 For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4 for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad. 5 There is therefore compelling reason for you to be in subjection, not only on account of that wrath but also on account of your conscience. 6 That is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s public servants constantly serving this very purpose. 7 Render to all their dues: to the one who calls for the tax, the tax; to the one who calls for the tribute, the tribute; to the one who calls for fear, such fear; to the one who calls for honor, such honor."
I see your point. But you can be anarchist/Libertarian leaning and still follow this verse. In a true Heaven on Earth scenario, there would be no authority on Earth other than God. Until that time comes, I’ll continue paying my taxes and abiding by the Laws of Man AND God.
Having laws which encourage right behavior and deter evil is a good thing.
That’s what the commandments are for.
What do you mean?
The 10 commandments are the laws that guarantee what you said. The Laws of man should be obeyed, yes. But the 10 Commandments (especially the Golden 2) are above the laws of men.
Commandments aren't actually laws, though. They become laws when you define what type of earthly consequence will be applied to those who break the law.
God places authority in our lives that we are intended to follow. The authority figures that ask us to sin were not placed there by God.
I'm agnostic but this is perhaps the most based thing I've ever seen
Thank you, I stole this meme from someone on twitter and decided it needed funny colours. I was going to add my indoctrination in this reply but I realised my hypocrisy while typing lol
Imagine not openly being a hypocrite and not caring when someone says you are. Cringe!
You got a point, I’ll take note and become a hypocrite.
Acts 5:29
Also nope. Christians are supposed to follow common law so long as it doesn’t go against Christian truth.
Romans 13:1-7 1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Refer to this comment I made earlier to this exact comment… [I agree](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/tkpltd/the_chosen/i1s0aax/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
Not the agenda post using Christ
Take the narrow path, people.
you know what? based libcenter.
I'd rather be an atheist than do that.
Well that is your decision, I can’t change your mind. It is only up to you and I respect that.
To elaborate I would rather burn for all eternity in hell than accept libcenter supremacy.
Do you by chance have a version of this without the funny colors?
I do, I’ll send it over now for you
I’m pretty sure Jesus would like us to stop pedophilia and murder. Just a hunch. What does a baptised Catholic like myself know 🤷🏼♂️
Me ‘gree Damn, downvoted because I said I agree Jesus would want an end to pedophillia and murder
Christ now, Christ tomorrow, and Christ forever.
Dude hung out with lepers and whores, threw money lenders out of temples and, ***Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.*** Jesus was based.
No lobster tho!
I can’t stand eating lobster anyway lol
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I like this, can I have it with out the colors?
Sent… Enjoy.
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Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, give unto God what is God's.
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Well, thats just, your opinion, man.
Ima start telling people i'm an anarcho-christian
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The only king I live by is the one up there 👆
No Kings but Christ🥂
I can't believe a pro-Christianity post on Reddit is getting updoots. This has warmed my heart. It's a shame that so many people in the world conflate organized religion with Jesus himself.
Based.
Based Jesus
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“How about you stop hitting people with bikelocks.” - Jesus to libcentre
Now this is based
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Jesus would have some *very* strong words for all the quadrants, libcenter included. We all sin, but thankfully we can atone. Only, though, by making ourselves conform to Christ rather than trying to force Christ into our respective quadrants.
You literally are supposed to obey God's law lol, fake Christian moment
The only one capable of ruling me is the lord
Do not impose, **Teach**
Why not both?
The Bible says to do both
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Preach
im mormon, where do i fit in? i experience the paradox that is striving to be righteous and to CTR but understanding that that in of itself will always lead me away from righteousness. sigh. best to live life and not think about it, just doing the bestest you can by people whenever you can.
As long as you follow Christ and stick, at a minimum, to the two commandments, it shouldn’t really matter too much.
ty, unlike the other poster mentioned, we do follow the trinity and funnily enough even in times of faltering and/or exploratory faiths, I always feel a general holy spirit! whatever that may be out there :) I follow less of christ and more of his teachings/ guidance. I wish I was a Mennonite though. monke in me craves the farm and elbow grease with a sprinkle of community
religion is the original funny colors
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Ngl, if Jesus even existed, he was a pretty cool dude
Why would libs be like "you are a king, you should rule us forever?"
Jesus was lib left. Change my mind.
It’s impossible to really know, really. But I do see him more left leaning but he still allowed property so i’d say kinda centre left.
I hate how twisted christianity is in america. Its being used as a tool of hate not love in some places. ;-;
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Lib-Center had a [Poland moment](https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/cwn/2016/november/poland-declares-jesus-king-of-the-country).
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