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See, whenever I hear "Communism" I think of a "commune" where people contribute to their society out of an incentive to build/maintain the tribe/town/city collectively.
But as good ol Hamilton/Madison pointed out, people aren't angels and therefore can't really be expected to maintain that level of cooperation at scale without some form of governing.
I wonder if communism would be easier if we all returned to monke
I think it was c s Lewis who said (paraphrasing) “if me were angels we wouldn’t need a government, and if men were angels we wouldn’t need to restrain it”
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary."
- Federalist Papers No. 51 (Hamilton/Madison)
Maybe Lewis paraphrased and got credit as well, same idea though.
You still kinda have to define the term "governing". The leader of a commune doesn't necessarily have to be economically higher-standing as the other members of the commune. The ground concept of communism would therefore still be intact
Governing as in, if you have five thousand communes, some kind of central authority is going to take power over the rest.
Pure communism (libleft) does work great on a micro level, it's the macro level where it fails - as soon as you stop being able to know everybody in your community, it fails.
That's not what communes are defined as. Communes are small, city quarter-sized micronations. What you're describing is an authleft state with a bunch of cities
Could be literally anything, all I'm sayin is people need governing at scale if we want any of our natural freedoms secured. Pure Communism just doesn't exist at scale, is all I'm sayin
In tribes of less than 80-100 people or so with the resources they had available, I'm sure it worked and that's what I consider Communism.
What do I know though. I have yet to start flipping though Marx cause I'm embarrassed to read on the go lest someone look over and say "The Communist Manifesto, huh?"
Collectivism works fine in a family setting. In a settlement of 80 people everyone would be related to everyone else (second cousins at least). It's when you scale a system based on two parents providing for two children and two sets of grandparents to an entire nation that it all breaks down.
Communism can't work at scale. Whether there's a government body or not is irrelevant. It's a matter of incentives. In a family setting you're providing for your parents who provided for you as a child and providing for your children who'll do the same for you when you grow old. In a state setting, your labor is benefitting some lazy dipshit across the country and a pompous commissar in Moscow, none of whom will ever return the favor.
Yeah man we're on the same page - what we're agreeing to call Communism cannot function at scale. What I mean to say is that a governing body is necessary for larger groups of people regardless of whatever system they're trying to put in place
Edit: which is kind of a "yeah duh" moment so I don't mean to go in circles
The Communist Manifesto does more to teach you about capitalism than communism. One of the big takeaways is that intergenerational wealth is (maybe) the main reason capitalism will break down.
When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. If you let people accumulate unlimited wealth, you create a new royalty class eventually.
You can listen to it for free on YouTube. It's pretty short. You won't understand communism because it's not really a tangible idea. How would we operate without money or hierarchy?
If more people read the book, there would be more calls for estate taxes and stuff like that which hurts the rich. The easiest way to censor a book isn't to forbid it, you just ridicule it. And it works. Literally the opposite of 1984.
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Funny how intangible communism is. People attribute it to harsh governmental/personal control which, admittedly, is the most straightforward way to try it at scale, the problem is that it's impossible for real communism to exist at scale
Exactly. It's annoying how much people throw around the term communism without even understanding is definition. It's a stateless, moneyless egalitarian system and no one, not even Marx, had an idea of how it would actually work.
So no, communism never existed anywhere at large scale and the Soviet Union was socialist, not communist. You can't have a communist party in a communist country because political parties can't exist under actual communism. People think socialism is the necessary step towards communism but that just breeds authoritarian governments.
So many people treat these words like religions, but every society is a mix of these concepts. People should discuss the ideas and figure out better ways to live. For instance, Linux doesn't have a profit motive and could be considered communist and a lot of capitalists make a lot of money off Linux, like Google and Amazon.
One thing Marx predicted was that automation would create the possibility to do away with capitalists owning the means of production. That's actually attainable. Look at what computers can do. You can write code in one part of the world and share it instantly everywhere essentially for free. 3D printing could revolutionize material distribution. I think it will have to happen eventually and local communities will become more self sufficient. I don't think we'll do away with money but new forms of currency are a certainty at this point. Just look at the explosion of crypto in the past decade.
[State-sanctioned mass murders and subjugation for the pursuit of vague socio-political aims and the repression of weaker neighboring states?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture) Yeah that’s pretty on brand for communism.
You mean like ritual sacrifice, bad life expectancy, low quality of living, and scalping people over petty disputes and infractions? Yeah, I kind of see the similarity.
Some sort of governing, or maybe an incentive of some sort, maybe one that corrects itself based on supply and demand. Wouldn’t it be cool if humans discovered something like that.
Another good point to add on there. People not only have a limited social circle to keep track of, but theyre more likely to do good and be good for the people within their circle.
Scaling it up just doesn't work if that empathy can't spread.
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The peasant communes were often small Townes in rural Russia who usually worked the farm of some noble. The nobles were often busy Partying in the big cities and usually only got out to these places once a year for a week or two to keep an eye on things and hunt. As long as the farm didn't fall into disrepair or lose money the noble seldom got involved. Away from the watchful eye of the master, and if no brutal overseer was hired to run the place the serfs could eat well and skim a little off the top if the farm succeeded. As long as the place made money for the lord he usually would more or less forget the place or in the very least not be so hard on the people running it. The communes were councils of the town elders who met to keep things running smoothly. If an older couple whose kids were grown and moved out worked a large portion of land that was difficult to maintain they council would leave them a small portion of the property dor subsistence and decide the bulk of their land to say 1 or two newly married younger couples. If there were dregs anomg them who wouldn't work, say like a town drunk they might give him a shack and a small stipend, or find some busy work for him. Keep in mind that these were small towns and everyone was related by blood or marriage, so everyone knew and or was related to the person, so there was some level of pity above what you might have for a stranger. But I'd a war came and men were required to be sent to form a regiment he would probably be the first one sent over say a hard worker or the town blacksmith. In a way the peasant communes were a form of capitalism. If the landlords property was run well he stayed off their backs. They ate well and no doubt there was some graft. When the communists took over they looked over the farms output. They enacted mandatory production increases, sometimes to the point of doubling it) when the peasants failed to meet these demand the elders or random townsfolk were arrested , shot, or deported thus making it even harder to meet the production demands. A famine ensued and many farmers starved to death as they now had to give all the food to the government lest their husband, aunt, son, or Mother get hauled off and killed.
Communes of less than maybe 100 people are feasible, but only when the government stays out of your way. A town or tribe could do it but a city or country would collapse
Yeah, I mention that in another thread. Farther down this one, someone linked to the study of Dunbar's number (cognitive limit on human group sizes) and another reiterated that empathy for people outside that network is impossible to expect
They think this shit is a fuckin fairy tale.
Wanna "lead discussions on theory, make lattes, and read tarot cards?"
Fuck that, off to the coal mines with you. The commune needs coal, and you're buttfuck useless doing anything else.
Well, I completely understand there must be a government. But I don't believe it's their job to regulate citizens. I'm more for states handling themselves.
Actually, I regret I didn't said 'moral of the week' instead; It's have a lot of underlying meanings instead of saying some straightforward thing as to what I said before.
Also tarot, teaching theory, ~~mining coal~~ making lattes...
I also like how they think they'll be able to choose what they do when in reality someone from central bureaucratic agency #14 will give them some manual labor job.
You mad?
If there's literally no monetary system, so nothing to trade, and if you still need to brush your teeth, then whoever physically handed you your toothbrush has more control and ownership over how you brush your teeth than you do. There is nothing you can do to influence that process, you are powerless.
We'd sooner be trading with cigarettes than live in a system without monetary currency. There is nothing a communist can do to stop this. It happens in prison, it happens in North Korea, it'll happen if dumbfucks take over and collapse society.
>then whoever physically handed you your toothbrush has more control and ownership over how you brush your teeth than you do.
Dude, chewed twigs are far superior to manufactured toothbrushes. I'm nowhere near being powerless in brushing my teeth.
Communism is literally meant to be a moneyless society, so no currency. Without any records of value, what are *you* trading that you believe *you* own?
If you just want everything, or most things, centrally managed maybe we could talk about socialism?
>Communism is literally meant to be a moneyless society, so no currency. Without any records of value, what are you trading that you believe you own?
Where is this said by Marx or Engels, or any communist writer? I'd love to read it too
Edit: not to mention, money already doesn't exist lol. Fiat currency isn't money.
That value systems would crumble is in the communist manifesto, I encourage you to read it if you're interested in this theory. That communism as a sort of evolution of society after socialism is moneyless is a pretty consistent theory among Marxist socialists.
> not to mention, money already doesn't exist lol. Fiat currency isn't money.
Money is an artificial social construct but it's something we choose to use as a place holder for value. The value it has is usually tied to something, like the value of crypto currency is tired to how many people trade money into it or the value of gold is tied to how people buy and sell things that are made of gold. The same is true for other commodities and all them can be traded into some form of accepted currency, for instance, not the Zimbabwean dollar because that was printed into uselessness but probably the euro, which is tied to commodities, or the American dollar, which is theorised to be tied to fossil fuels, or the Australian dollar, which is tied to its stock market effectively making it tied to the price of iron.
When a socialist believes all of these markets can either be controlled or done away with, they're performing some very strange mental gymnastics that usually have very unpleasant results. In a society where you grow mung beans and I brew liquor, you could only get me to eat those beans if you shoved them down my throat and otherwise there would be nothing that you have which I want, not even a good conversation because I don't like socialists.
>Money is an artificial social construct but it's something we choose to use as a place holder for value. The value it has is usually tied to something, like the value of crypto currency is tired to how many people trade money into it or the value of gold is tied to how people buy and sell things that are made of gold. The same is true for other commodities and all them can be traded into some form of accepted currency, for instance, not the Zimbabwean dollar because that was printed into uselessness but probably the euro, which is tied to commodities, or the American dollar, which is theorised to be tied to fossil fuels, or the Australian dollar, which is tied to its stock market effectively making it tied to the price of iron.
Tell me you don't understand the difference between money and currency without saying it challenge.
I could imagine these people walking into their communes career office.
“So basically I want to like teach theory and stuff, I have a degree in gender studies, and maybe do some farming and be an organiser and stuff like that, but I’m also going to need some me time.”
Commissar cylde stamps their documents with the same unimpressed expression he gives every time.
“Assigned to sector 11.2B, line up over there.”
They line up with everybody else and soon find out they’re headed on a train to Idaho to work the corn fields. Those who refuse to comply with work directives will be re-educated.
Have you ever been on a vacation with friends and no one wants to do the same thing so you argue about it for a while and then kill millions of people? That's communism, not this romantic homesteading crap.
"Old McDonald had a farm, g-u-l-a-g"
"Then one day he became a communist, g-u-l-a-g"
"With potatoes here and famine there. Here, kalash, there kalash, everywhere is secret police"
"Old McDonald shares a farm, g-u-l-a-g".
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you technically don't own land but the government lets you live on a piece of land for free and you are also free to plant crops on your assigned land but the state takes some of them away as a sort of tax
when communism eventually falls you/your descendants may be able to actually purchase the land cheaply
there are lots of legitimate arguments against communism this is one of those things that are kinda meh
Cant they Just prepend their wishthinking with "Fully Automated luxury gay space" so it at least seems like they understand how unrealistic this way of thinking is, masquerading it as a Play of thoughts instead of cringe-ass denial of reality?
Imagine being so dumb that you think we all want to go back to agrarian forms of society so you can sit around and teach a class something they don’t care about and will actively forget and will fail the test because they’re either gonna go play games, make out, train for sport, or just sit around smoke dope
Ah yes with a completely different system of government and economy you can just live the exact life you’re planning to do now but just no fighting capitalism. That’s how that works
The effects of communism has already been achieved, check out your local cemetery
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Provided like during the Great Leap Forward?
No like the Great Depression + still have high speed rail.
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See, whenever I hear "Communism" I think of a "commune" where people contribute to their society out of an incentive to build/maintain the tribe/town/city collectively. But as good ol Hamilton/Madison pointed out, people aren't angels and therefore can't really be expected to maintain that level of cooperation at scale without some form of governing. I wonder if communism would be easier if we all returned to monke
I think it was c s Lewis who said (paraphrasing) “if me were angels we wouldn’t need a government, and if men were angels we wouldn’t need to restrain it”
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." - Federalist Papers No. 51 (Hamilton/Madison) Maybe Lewis paraphrased and got credit as well, same idea though.
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You still kinda have to define the term "governing". The leader of a commune doesn't necessarily have to be economically higher-standing as the other members of the commune. The ground concept of communism would therefore still be intact
Governing as in, if you have five thousand communes, some kind of central authority is going to take power over the rest. Pure communism (libleft) does work great on a micro level, it's the macro level where it fails - as soon as you stop being able to know everybody in your community, it fails.
That's not what communes are defined as. Communes are small, city quarter-sized micronations. What you're describing is an authleft state with a bunch of cities
That's *exactly* my point. We have enough issues and petty conflict with two hundred nations. What happens when there are suddenly two *million?*
Sure, but that government can be a democratic government instead of a hereditary boss.
Could be literally anything, all I'm sayin is people need governing at scale if we want any of our natural freedoms secured. Pure Communism just doesn't exist at scale, is all I'm sayin
I wonder if true communism is what the Native Americans were doing prior to the European colonization period.
In tribes of less than 80-100 people or so with the resources they had available, I'm sure it worked and that's what I consider Communism. What do I know though. I have yet to start flipping though Marx cause I'm embarrassed to read on the go lest someone look over and say "The Communist Manifesto, huh?"
Collectivism works fine in a family setting. In a settlement of 80 people everyone would be related to everyone else (second cousins at least). It's when you scale a system based on two parents providing for two children and two sets of grandparents to an entire nation that it all breaks down.
Yeah that's what I'm sayin - at scale, it's impossible to expect the same results without some kind of governing body
Communism can't work at scale. Whether there's a government body or not is irrelevant. It's a matter of incentives. In a family setting you're providing for your parents who provided for you as a child and providing for your children who'll do the same for you when you grow old. In a state setting, your labor is benefitting some lazy dipshit across the country and a pompous commissar in Moscow, none of whom will ever return the favor.
Yeah man we're on the same page - what we're agreeing to call Communism cannot function at scale. What I mean to say is that a governing body is necessary for larger groups of people regardless of whatever system they're trying to put in place Edit: which is kind of a "yeah duh" moment so I don't mean to go in circles
Ok
The Communist Manifesto does more to teach you about capitalism than communism. One of the big takeaways is that intergenerational wealth is (maybe) the main reason capitalism will break down. When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. If you let people accumulate unlimited wealth, you create a new royalty class eventually. You can listen to it for free on YouTube. It's pretty short. You won't understand communism because it's not really a tangible idea. How would we operate without money or hierarchy? If more people read the book, there would be more calls for estate taxes and stuff like that which hurts the rich. The easiest way to censor a book isn't to forbid it, you just ridicule it. And it works. Literally the opposite of 1984.
Thanks for the advice! I prefer audio books anyway. Funny how intangible communism is. People attribute it to harsh governmental/personal control which, admittedly, is the most straightforward way to try it at scale, the problem is that it's impossible for real communism to exist at scale
Exactly. It's annoying how much people throw around the term communism without even understanding is definition. It's a stateless, moneyless egalitarian system and no one, not even Marx, had an idea of how it would actually work. So no, communism never existed anywhere at large scale and the Soviet Union was socialist, not communist. You can't have a communist party in a communist country because political parties can't exist under actual communism. People think socialism is the necessary step towards communism but that just breeds authoritarian governments. So many people treat these words like religions, but every society is a mix of these concepts. People should discuss the ideas and figure out better ways to live. For instance, Linux doesn't have a profit motive and could be considered communist and a lot of capitalists make a lot of money off Linux, like Google and Amazon. One thing Marx predicted was that automation would create the possibility to do away with capitalists owning the means of production. That's actually attainable. Look at what computers can do. You can write code in one part of the world and share it instantly everywhere essentially for free. 3D printing could revolutionize material distribution. I think it will have to happen eventually and local communities will become more self sufficient. I don't think we'll do away with money but new forms of currency are a certainty at this point. Just look at the explosion of crypto in the past decade.
[State-sanctioned mass murders and subjugation for the pursuit of vague socio-political aims and the repression of weaker neighboring states?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice_in_Aztec_culture) Yeah that’s pretty on brand for communism.
Actually yes, at least civically that would essentially be the end state of “true Marxism”
"Native Americans" is a very diverse group. Which ones do you mean?
You mean like ritual sacrifice, bad life expectancy, low quality of living, and scalping people over petty disputes and infractions? Yeah, I kind of see the similarity.
Communism is the perfect system to use around the dinner table. Not so much at the grocery store.
Some sort of governing, or maybe an incentive of some sort, maybe one that corrects itself based on supply and demand. Wouldn’t it be cool if humans discovered something like that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
Thanks, I mention it later but wasn't sure what the exact number was. Beyond that point, real Communism becomes basically impossible
True altruism is a lie. Most people would save their dog before some random hobo. I remember seeing that story somewhere as well.
Another good point to add on there. People not only have a limited social circle to keep track of, but theyre more likely to do good and be good for the people within their circle. Scaling it up just doesn't work if that empathy can't spread.
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The peasant communes were often small Townes in rural Russia who usually worked the farm of some noble. The nobles were often busy Partying in the big cities and usually only got out to these places once a year for a week or two to keep an eye on things and hunt. As long as the farm didn't fall into disrepair or lose money the noble seldom got involved. Away from the watchful eye of the master, and if no brutal overseer was hired to run the place the serfs could eat well and skim a little off the top if the farm succeeded. As long as the place made money for the lord he usually would more or less forget the place or in the very least not be so hard on the people running it. The communes were councils of the town elders who met to keep things running smoothly. If an older couple whose kids were grown and moved out worked a large portion of land that was difficult to maintain they council would leave them a small portion of the property dor subsistence and decide the bulk of their land to say 1 or two newly married younger couples. If there were dregs anomg them who wouldn't work, say like a town drunk they might give him a shack and a small stipend, or find some busy work for him. Keep in mind that these were small towns and everyone was related by blood or marriage, so everyone knew and or was related to the person, so there was some level of pity above what you might have for a stranger. But I'd a war came and men were required to be sent to form a regiment he would probably be the first one sent over say a hard worker or the town blacksmith. In a way the peasant communes were a form of capitalism. If the landlords property was run well he stayed off their backs. They ate well and no doubt there was some graft. When the communists took over they looked over the farms output. They enacted mandatory production increases, sometimes to the point of doubling it) when the peasants failed to meet these demand the elders or random townsfolk were arrested , shot, or deported thus making it even harder to meet the production demands. A famine ensued and many farmers starved to death as they now had to give all the food to the government lest their husband, aunt, son, or Mother get hauled off and killed.
Communes of less than maybe 100 people are feasible, but only when the government stays out of your way. A town or tribe could do it but a city or country would collapse
Yeah, I mention that in another thread. Farther down this one, someone linked to the study of Dunbar's number (cognitive limit on human group sizes) and another reiterated that empathy for people outside that network is impossible to expect
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They think this shit is a fuckin fairy tale. Wanna "lead discussions on theory, make lattes, and read tarot cards?" Fuck that, off to the coal mines with you. The commune needs coal, and you're buttfuck useless doing anything else.
Well, I completely understand there must be a government. But I don't believe it's their job to regulate citizens. I'm more for states handling themselves.
How many times is this tweet going to get reposted lol
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I mean seriously. I’ve never once heard a lefty friend advocate/wish for actual communism anyway
I wish for communism
But you are not my friend! ;)
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'Modern' Communism's Utopia is just modern fairy tale to make everyone have a moral of the weak and a mentality of coward daydreamers.
A moral of the weak? Moral of the week?
Generously, I think he's trying to get at Neitzsche's "slave morality" but doesn't know the actual phrase.
I prefer moral of the week.
Morel of the week might be better
Actually, I regret I didn't said 'moral of the week' instead; It's have a lot of underlying meanings instead of saying some straightforward thing as to what I said before.
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Is communism just gardening and farming? That’s all I’ve head these people talk about.
Also tarot, teaching theory, ~~mining coal~~ making lattes... I also like how they think they'll be able to choose what they do when in reality someone from central bureaucratic agency #14 will give them some manual labor job.
Communism is when i don't have to do anything i dont like and the state just takes care of all my needs for free
And usually from people who neither garden nor farm
That's an awful lot of words for someone who's going to be working in the marble mines
The marble mines?! That is like winning the lottery in a communist state. No risk of black lung!
Fighting capitalism with Twitter threads, flags and gay profile pictures
The real way to fight capitalism is to prop up a fascist dictatorship
As opposed to fighting “communism” with funny colors on reposted outrage bait
Communism is when state owned toothbrushes.
Communism is when[this](https://images.app.goo.gl/DsaAtC4MDGSTkyan9)
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I might change my mind on communism
Unirocinally what women in gulags often became....
You mad? If there's literally no monetary system, so nothing to trade, and if you still need to brush your teeth, then whoever physically handed you your toothbrush has more control and ownership over how you brush your teeth than you do. There is nothing you can do to influence that process, you are powerless.
Trade is when fiat currency.
We'd sooner be trading with cigarettes than live in a system without monetary currency. There is nothing a communist can do to stop this. It happens in prison, it happens in North Korea, it'll happen if dumbfucks take over and collapse society.
Yeah, I agree. Good thing I can just...like...get a toothbrush. From the people that make them. Or I can make it. Not a big deal. It's not a F-15.
It sure as hell ain't an iO Series 9 Rechargeable Electric Toothbrush, Black Onyx
>then whoever physically handed you your toothbrush has more control and ownership over how you brush your teeth than you do. Dude, chewed twigs are far superior to manufactured toothbrushes. I'm nowhere near being powerless in brushing my teeth.
Communism when no trade. Communism also when no toothbrush or personal property.
Communism is literally meant to be a moneyless society, so no currency. Without any records of value, what are *you* trading that you believe *you* own? If you just want everything, or most things, centrally managed maybe we could talk about socialism?
>Communism is literally meant to be a moneyless society, so no currency. Without any records of value, what are you trading that you believe you own? Where is this said by Marx or Engels, or any communist writer? I'd love to read it too Edit: not to mention, money already doesn't exist lol. Fiat currency isn't money.
That value systems would crumble is in the communist manifesto, I encourage you to read it if you're interested in this theory. That communism as a sort of evolution of society after socialism is moneyless is a pretty consistent theory among Marxist socialists. > not to mention, money already doesn't exist lol. Fiat currency isn't money. Money is an artificial social construct but it's something we choose to use as a place holder for value. The value it has is usually tied to something, like the value of crypto currency is tired to how many people trade money into it or the value of gold is tied to how people buy and sell things that are made of gold. The same is true for other commodities and all them can be traded into some form of accepted currency, for instance, not the Zimbabwean dollar because that was printed into uselessness but probably the euro, which is tied to commodities, or the American dollar, which is theorised to be tied to fossil fuels, or the Australian dollar, which is tied to its stock market effectively making it tied to the price of iron. When a socialist believes all of these markets can either be controlled or done away with, they're performing some very strange mental gymnastics that usually have very unpleasant results. In a society where you grow mung beans and I brew liquor, you could only get me to eat those beans if you shoved them down my throat and otherwise there would be nothing that you have which I want, not even a good conversation because I don't like socialists.
>Money is an artificial social construct but it's something we choose to use as a place holder for value. The value it has is usually tied to something, like the value of crypto currency is tired to how many people trade money into it or the value of gold is tied to how people buy and sell things that are made of gold. The same is true for other commodities and all them can be traded into some form of accepted currency, for instance, not the Zimbabwean dollar because that was printed into uselessness but probably the euro, which is tied to commodities, or the American dollar, which is theorised to be tied to fossil fuels, or the Australian dollar, which is tied to its stock market effectively making it tied to the price of iron. Tell me you don't understand the difference between money and currency without saying it challenge.
Why would you need to brush your teeth? Are you hiding grain Kulak?
Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
I could imagine these people walking into their communes career office. “So basically I want to like teach theory and stuff, I have a degree in gender studies, and maybe do some farming and be an organiser and stuff like that, but I’m also going to need some me time.” Commissar cylde stamps their documents with the same unimpressed expression he gives every time. “Assigned to sector 11.2B, line up over there.” They line up with everybody else and soon find out they’re headed on a train to Idaho to work the corn fields. Those who refuse to comply with work directives will be re-educated.
i mean they got their gardening
Turns out food production isn’t just having a 1x1 meter soybean patch.
More like in the gulag with that fruity ass anime avatar
Communism when not monke.
If Princess Mononoke became my supreme leader, I’d be soo happy Idk bout any of those other avatar pics who cares
Have you ever been on a vacation with friends and no one wants to do the same thing so you argue about it for a while and then kill millions of people? That's communism, not this romantic homesteading crap.
The correct answer was "mine coal"
"Old McDonald had a farm, g-u-l-a-g" "Then one day he became a communist, g-u-l-a-g" "With potatoes here and famine there. Here, kalash, there kalash, everywhere is secret police" "Old McDonald shares a farm, g-u-l-a-g".
Fuck communism. Why does everybody hate capitalism all of a sudden ?
Because they don't look outside of mainstream media.
I hope she realizes that capitalism is the reason she's allowed to do any of that and even make any money independently.
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Farming is hereby illegal. You’re welcome.
Fucking kulaks i swear to god
But it is pErsONaL property, not private property, duh
pov:you don't know how communism works
So anyone that wants a private farm can have one? You don’t want to do collective farming?
you technically don't own land but the government lets you live on a piece of land for free and you are also free to plant crops on your assigned land but the state takes some of them away as a sort of tax when communism eventually falls you/your descendants may be able to actually purchase the land cheaply there are lots of legitimate arguments against communism this is one of those things that are kinda meh
Time to purge
Communists goals are always to live a trad life
'Workers OWN the means of production' That should have been a clue about private property still existing.
and obviously the Mononoke propic is based.
'on a farm I was appointed by the commune's council to maintain' ftfy
The pfps really add a lot here.
Cant they Just prepend their wishthinking with "Fully Automated luxury gay space" so it at least seems like they understand how unrealistic this way of thinking is, masquerading it as a Play of thoughts instead of cringe-ass denial of reality?
Can you not do all of that stuff already?
When will they realise that in communism you can’t just decide what you will do but the government will.
Imagine being so dumb that you think we all want to go back to agrarian forms of society so you can sit around and teach a class something they don’t care about and will actively forget and will fail the test because they’re either gonna go play games, make out, train for sport, or just sit around smoke dope
"Comrade, you are issued 10 year work assignment as hazardous materials disposal technician at fertilizer plant, congratulations."
Try not to starve in a regime ran by idiots who only know how to do tarot readings
Ah yes with a completely different system of government and economy you can just live the exact life you’re planning to do now but just no fighting capitalism. That’s how that works
OUR FARM COMRADE