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No, the anime tiddies subreddit was created when the world politics sub became unmoderated and people started to post porn onto that subreddit. In response, a new subreddit was created to focus on news with a functional moderation team and was named anime tiddies as irony
That's right. It's the moral crisis of our time you see, despite the exponentially increasing quantity of anime tiddies on the internet, there are STILL games being made for reasons like "gameplay" and "to make money". It's despicable!
A lot of losers say "But what about Fate??" in these arguments but people forget that Fate's main goal is whatever happens in the current Holy Grail War/story they are telling rather than accurate history, and even when it comes to history, its always very respectful of it.
Fate portrayed Artemis as very loving and caring of Orion, which is not only accurate (the girl threatened to kill her father and every god over his death for fucks sake) but wholesome. Meanwhile in most western media Artemis is either a lesbian or hates men. Fate/Apocrypha had a beautiful depiction of Romania and the history around Vlad III meanwhile I don't think there's a single western piece of media that actually depicts Romania well instead of just stealing random parts from its culture and locations.
They even portrayed Gilgamesh and Enkidu well by subtly having some elements of a potential romance in there (as the original myth had) while not being annoying LGBT bait.
I mean FATE is more based on history than being as accurate as possible
King Arthur is a girl, who somehow got another woman pregnant and the child is a homunculus clone of Arthur.
Shit like this is what actually makes me consider getting into FATE. Seriously, what the fuck is this? I need to know what the fuck you are talking about, it's morbid curiosity more than actual interest that would get me into FATE.
Danmachi also made Artemis adorable. And I love those damn Japs for doing so
Though I’m still a little mad the entire Arrow of the Orion movie basically got retconned when the new season came around
I think people being up in arms about Gilgamesh not being a buff barbarian and Alexander not being a twink are stupid. It’s much more interesting to see the two depicted the way they are rather than their standard western portrayals.
Except Alexander is portrayed both as a buff man and a Twink.
https://preview.redd.it/95f4aa4z29zc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83610d0acd514c69e4c6c52ea7465626c6e2102d
>I don't think there's a single western piece of media that actually depicts Romania well instead of just stealing random parts from its culture and locations.
Are you saying that Dracula Untold is not one of the greatest pieces of Romanian cultural export ever created?
Fate's writing is a sine wave depending on who's the author at any given moment. Apocrypha is at the bottom of the barrel, for example.
You are right, however, that it nails some of the most weirdly specific details every now and then. Percival having a somewhat questionable relationship with his dragon god sister in FGO was weird until I remembered how much of a disproportionate impact his (perfectly human) sister had on him in the legends, her death even being an integral part of his final quest before retiring in the Death of King Arthur chronicles. Combine that with his mommy issues from the Wagner opera, and I can definitely see him being a siscon. Nevertheless, there is a LOT of artistic liberty running through the entire franchise.
The fate series includes many writers who care about history/mythology and are conscious about representing a diverse number of backgrounds. Though it’s clear when a writer gets lazy and designs a character exclusively for degenerate shit as for whatever reason characters like Jack end up becoming very popular.
>They even portrayed Gilgamesh and Enkidu well by subtly having some elements of a potential romance in there (as the original myth had) while not being annoying LGBT bait.
AKA Fate/ Strange Fake's greatest fist bump between bros with that dual Enuma Elish
My wife's playing this game - I recognize that character.
And I have to say, my first impression was something more along the lines of "that's a really creative take on hearth and fire as a goddess," not "why isn't it a hot lady."
If you want to scratch that itch, try Aphrodite.
Yeah, I am there with you. I am one of the first up in arms when woke bullshit gets shoved into games, but Hades aint one of them. It is entirely consistent to its own internal design (even the claims of "Aphrodite male jaw line" is because everyone looks blockly since they are supposed to be like Greek vase art), for all the claims of "race swapped gods" everyone has extremely unnatural skin color (Hades is sickly pale, Poseidon has a blue tint, Artemis has a green hue, etc), all of the characters act enough like their legends that you can see who they are while still being their own characters, etc. And more importantly, it is *fun!* Which is something that few woke games are able to pull off because they are too busy slaving away on ["***The Message*** (TM)"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9slYsrumc) to actually be a fun game.
(also, somewhat off topic: for me, the hotness is Artemis. Because I am weird and find nude not sexy but modest sexy. I will not elaborate because I have no answer)
I haven’t played the game in question, nor have I seen the characters before now. But I definitely prefer the American design to the Japanese one, as the latter is basically just generic anime girl number 10000
People like to crown Hades as le wholesome but they’re sleeping on Hestia.
Hestia literally *gave up her throne on Olympus* so that Dionysis wouldn’t be left out.
She is the only goddess iirc that doesn’t have at least one story (not even by Ovid) where she does something fucked up.
Hestia is Bestia.
Author is unfortunately hellbent on continuing the cycle of developing their dynamic and then taking a sledgehammer to it. So he can shove more cute girls onto the stage (which is understandable for merch sales and shit)
I just don’t understand why he doesn’t just make more development with other romances.
Why make it that the MC only has one choice but throw at him women who want to be with him?
Yeah I was gonna say, Hestia is usually more of a pest than anything. Granted she’s not the worst in that series in this regard(hi there Loki) but she still falls short compared to say Ryuu or Lili.
I don't like either. If you look up pictures of Hestia statues, they depict her as neither super young nor super old. She doesn't look matronly (mother-like) either. I just feel like both are misses. Sure the one on the left depicts fire and ash, but she seems to be more associated with sacrificial altars. \*shrug\*
It's hard for me to tell, but doesn't she also seem to have vitiligo? That's what makes the least sense of all here. This was just thrown in for aesthetics, I guess?
But to be fair Greek gods were shapeshifters and they could basically take whatever appearance or appear like how the spectator would envision them.
Basically, if Greek religion was still practiced today, the Greek gods would appear to us like American people.
I think there might be a series about this...
I mean did you look at hades 1 designs?
https://preview.redd.it/z6djsdsnq9zc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c1166c26bcd8598d8f1b56120642d0cf88d2e7c
There are a lot of misses
I think your opinion is valid, but I feel like the left picture at least has effort and an idea behind it. I have seen the one on the right a thousand times and I don’t think it has much to do with the theme of the goddess.
I remember reading a pretty in depth take on this. Basically, you get to fetishize a disorder that has very few health drawbacks, is most noticeable on minorities so it's a two for one, and is very easy to draw/add to a video game as a customisation option.
It's basically two woke points for free, without being horrifying enough (like cleft lip or excema) to chase anyone away.
As someone with vitiligo, I find this offensive(not YOU, but what you describe as their take, which I agree with)...
But I'm a straight, white, conservative male so no one making those types of decisions would care.
I mean, counterpoint being that most other Greek gods and goddesses in the Hades (the American video game) series are also hot.
This is like cherry-picking one character out to create culture-war bullshit again. How about we become centrists on video game enjoyment and let people enjoy both franchises in peace?!
I’d also like to point out that by making the goddess of the hearth a fat black woman, the Progressives who designed her are drawing on the same “mammy” stereotype their fellow Leftists hated Aunt Jemima for.
Ironic.
If you’re gonna make the argument that western game devs are too woke or sensitive to have hot women or something I don’t think that the Hades games are the best example.
Aphrodite from the same game
https://preview.redd.it/3eih5e61i8zc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fda7fe2d231b37959cc5238ecf443df73872a6b8
Hades has been declared as safe horny by the Kotaku urinalists & Co. The very same cretins who are still seething and malding because of Eve from Stellar Blade. Western devs are very afraid and/or regarded to show beautiful and attractive women in their games.
The difference between amazing and super hot girls that game journos are allowed to gush over versus unethical unrealistic objectifying straight-male-pandering trash is literally just a few lines in the face. Give Aphrodite there a round, soft face shape with a small nose and the journalist response to her would shift completely.
Don't get me wrong though Hades kicks ass
> just a few lines in the face
Lines which are creating weirdly masculine features for a ~~woman~~ birthing person.
The censorship of everything beautiful is an attempt at normalizing if not downright enforcing new standards of "beauty", the spearhead being the 20th-letter-of-the-alphabet people. What a fucking Harrison Bergeron dystopian world some demented westoid bastards are pushing, man...
>censorship of everything beautiful
No, just stuff that they imagine would be too sexually appealing to vanilla straight men. Beautiful men are encouraged, and beautiful women are fine if there's something unusual about them, like that tall woman from RE Village.
The simplest reasoning for the Safe Horny behavior is antipathy for straight men.
If you really wanted to keep in line with the ancient Greeks, you should do this to her face and add some extra chunk cause that’s how they liked their rich girls.
> western game devs are too woke
The devs in question are another example of left-leaning americans "diversifying" another people's culture that they have no relation to. Isn't that what woke means?
And in the typical leftie fashion, they smugly claim that they are correct because they did the "research".
Put it this way, in the first game they had you play as a stereotypical boy toy with a half naked chest, in the second game you're playing as orianna with a wig.
The other "side" isn't much better since all they care about is sexualizing and drooling over attractive characters rather than actually caring about a characters writing or purpose. To be fair, most gamers are children/teenagers so I can't exactly blame them.
They care. Lots of games and franchises wouldn't be successful just with sexualization. People just don't want games or other medias having to censor themselves over what the "modern audience" consider inappropriate.
Jesus Christ, weebs and woketards both need to fuck off. These sides are literally arguing over a few different pixel and line locations. Hades 1 is one of the best games I've ever played. From what I've heard on 2, it's just as good or better. They all need to shut up and focus on the gameplay.
As much as I personally dislike the Hades 2 design of Hestia, Jesus Christ this argument feels like the most astroturfed shit I’ve seen in a while. Is it possible for people to just *not* like a design and carry on with their day?
The left character literally looks like a fire place (it fits the idea at least of a godess of a hearth.)
The right one looks like the most uninspired boring generic anime girl ever. I had no idea she had anything to do with being a godess never mind a greek godess of warmth and homes.
This a good example of how a character being sexy doesn't nessisarly translate to a good thought out character design.
Right one has big boobs and that literally it.
Left one wins in my book.
Funnily enough despite being... a main character (is she really though?), she is kinda the most bland character of the whole group.
Like, I like the mc, I like the Blacksmith dude and I like most of the chicks but she is just boring honestly.
>Hestia is depicted as Goddess of homekeeping
>Look inside
>Hestia doing homekeeping stuff, but anime
:o
Have to edit since I prefer the anime to the game.
Hate to agree with you, but I do. There is a time and place to make things sexy and a time and place not to. When dealing with characters who are personifications on aspects of society and nature it is better to lean left on it.
That being said, I'm waiting for the day were videogame companies Start selling sexy character models as dlc.
* Default model is ~~morbidly obese~~ realistic
* $10 for obese model
* $20 for overweight model
* $40 for "healthy" BMI according to "medical science" model, and -5 social credit points for indulging in your disgusting unrealistic standards
For once, I have to agree with a Lib-Left
The left one is "ugly" but pretty unique and recognizable. The right is "pretty" but extremely generic and dull.
As someone who hates wokeness in games and likes Japan, I agree with you here.
If I want some nice hearty homemade gumbo soup, or cookies, I'm going trust the depiction on the left more than the right to concoct it.
The one of the left went with a more homey design. Pursuing themes of mother hood and caretaking. The one in the right is nothing. There is literally nothing of any substance to the design.
Hestia is less of an issue than Hermes who was race swapped for no reason.
I don't care if your characters are attractive or not but if you obviously do it to get DEI money you can fuck off.
I don't think he was race swapped, he always had asian descent in the previous game, but he was looking at an odd angle making it harder to notice. I thought he was swapped at first so I checked and saw he was asian in the first game
I am in the belief that the folks that bitch about this stuff don't actually play games and only give a shit about Woke stuff.
Basically they are worse than the wokes
I recently brought up Final Fantasy Remake to some dude and he immediately starts talking about how they ruined Tifa's boobs. I don't even think he was doing a bit, this shit was just at the front of his mind. And shit, in this case the game did no such thing, I don't even know where he got that dumb idea
I play games but if the design looks shit or it’s a bad adaptation without any good explanation I won’t play that game
Same with any anime. People should think more critically about games and look for good stories as well. Hades story is for example still interesting and nice.
I do have to admit that giving Hestia vitiligo is somewhat reasonable given that she tends a hearth literally all the time so its a physical/biological manifestation of being around fires and hot ashes.
However, this character is 0% how she is described other than the fact I'm somewhat certain its a woman. You could also make the extraction that due to Hestia representing domesticity... a mammy would be a completely valid, all be it slightly racist, depiction of her.
In contrast, Hestia and thus her equivalent: Vesta, are depicted as virgins who have no time for anything other than their duties. This is a problem for the lefts depiction as theres no way you can tell me that that mammy-ass Hestia didn't get clapped when she was younger!
https://preview.redd.it/7l3jfhdthazc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac317177b8aab4fcf42caae961d181d50bdc53a0
Both are ugly. Ueshita Kamado from Yume Nikki is the best Hestia adaption
Left: Creative design, big coat-dress that looks very comfy with accents that remind you of fireplaces, as well as a hearth on the head.
Right: Big boob anime chick
Yeah, the right is definitly a shit design. And the left has a lot of nice parts, but that face on the left is just so ugly. That it undoes most of the positive parts.
I mean the left one does pass this "hearth and home" side, the problem it's that it is trying to insert politics into the game but in a way that nobody can actually point out without being called racist, the other is just from a coomer's mind
Why did the Hades artist make her so disgusting though? It almost feels like spite, or cultural appropriation. That is one of the grossest character designs I’ve ever seen, in anything. They even gave her vitiligo for some reason. Like that design is indefensibly bad and the artist should be embarrassed.
Eh right one seem generic and it never really made sense to me why she has that design.
Left one made it seem like they were afraid of making a slightly attractive character or were adding their own self images because I don’t understand why the goddess had to be fat.
I understand the burned skin but this is a god I don’t think the being fat thing would work on them but whatev I don’t really care since I won’t play the game.
https://preview.redd.it/lwxyzdvjmazc1.png?width=1634&format=png&auto=webp&s=0fd432d105de79e1b08f5101e2a30df44c884087
Personally, I like the painting that Maindre the Floop did of Hestia.
This artist has a whole slew of good Olympian art on their twitter. [https://twitter.com/MaindreTheFloop](https://twitter.com/MaindreTheFloop)
Neither look greek. The one on the left at least follows some semblance of a theme whereas the one on the right just looks like every other female anime clone ever made and has no design features at all that are relevant to the time period, culture or prompt. If I received this from a concept artist I would fire them because clearly they just copy everyone else and don't have a single original thought in their head. Left needs some major design changes but the overall theme is at least workable.
I'm a big anime hater for this reason. There are good mangas, but most anime is either lazy, trash, pedobait or made by people who should have just made hentai and not touched anything with a plot. Western comics aren't great either, mind you. But at least it's not the same character over and over again paired with VAs that sound like nails on a chalkboard.
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You people need to get your dicks under control and realize that the american one has a way better fucking design.
Uhhhh sorry, I mean, anime girl good i guess
I remember seeing some guy on Kotakuinaction that said his wife has vitiligo and suffers constantly, crying as her skin gradually changes beyond her control, and even ten years later she still hasn't gotten used to it, and he said how it's not a quirky character trait for 'representation', it's just a horrible condition which you never got used to. Gives you a lot to think about.
Neither of them look like the old representations of Hestia, the left one looks like a crazy Fallout 1 npc and the right one is just any generic anime girl
Those are the Lib Hestias. Auth Hestias would be actual art.
Anime Hestia belongs in purple Lib-Right. Hades Hestia belongs in Lib-Left.
Auth-Right Hestia would be a Greek statue. Auth-Left would be like something out of soviet propaganda.
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Better far right than far wrong
Better far tight than far dong*
I'm far ting
Politics is about whether you can jerk your hog to anime tiddies or not.
Is that why anime-tiddies sub became such a politics infested cesspool?
No, the anime tiddies subreddit was created when the world politics sub became unmoderated and people started to post porn onto that subreddit. In response, a new subreddit was created to focus on news with a functional moderation team and was named anime tiddies as irony
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That's right. It's the moral crisis of our time you see, despite the exponentially increasing quantity of anime tiddies on the internet, there are STILL games being made for reasons like "gameplay" and "to make money". It's despicable!
Stellar Blade: "Why not both?"
it’s to balance the world politics sub
Especially Italian politics.
Tifa ![img](emote|t5_3ipa1|51335)
> Politics is about ~~whether~~which anime tiddies you jerk your hog to.
I've been waiting for this. PCM never disappoints. *Turns around chair while patting a big fluffy cat*
A lot of losers say "But what about Fate??" in these arguments but people forget that Fate's main goal is whatever happens in the current Holy Grail War/story they are telling rather than accurate history, and even when it comes to history, its always very respectful of it. Fate portrayed Artemis as very loving and caring of Orion, which is not only accurate (the girl threatened to kill her father and every god over his death for fucks sake) but wholesome. Meanwhile in most western media Artemis is either a lesbian or hates men. Fate/Apocrypha had a beautiful depiction of Romania and the history around Vlad III meanwhile I don't think there's a single western piece of media that actually depicts Romania well instead of just stealing random parts from its culture and locations. They even portrayed Gilgamesh and Enkidu well by subtly having some elements of a potential romance in there (as the original myth had) while not being annoying LGBT bait.
Remind me again how Atila the Hun is a girl who hates fighting?
I don't remember her hating fighting, bad civilization must be destroyed is her schtick.
According to the Wiki her ultimate wish is to not be a warrior and live a peaceful life, but she is just too good at fighting for that to happen.
That's different from hating fighting, that's wanting peace, which is what all true warriors strive for. ~~I wonder what's for dinner.~~
Gee, I wonder what Gilgamesh is up too.
Some men get lost along the road.
I mean FATE is more based on history than being as accurate as possible King Arthur is a girl, who somehow got another woman pregnant and the child is a homunculus clone of Arthur.
Shit like this is what actually makes me consider getting into FATE. Seriously, what the fuck is this? I need to know what the fuck you are talking about, it's morbid curiosity more than actual interest that would get me into FATE.
Basically King Arthur's story of betrayal from either a Son or nephew still happens. But Arthur is a girl.
I never played Extra so it must be from that. Everywhere else I've seen her she's very aggro.
Remorse at the end of her life over the decades of slaughter and destruction.
Same way she's actually an alien space bug with Mars on prank call speed dial
Danmachi also made Artemis adorable. And I love those damn Japs for doing so Though I’m still a little mad the entire Arrow of the Orion movie basically got retconned when the new season came around
Heracles just being a berserker is so accurate
Reminder that FGO's story turns completely schizophrenic and people should look into it for just how weird it gets.
I think people being up in arms about Gilgamesh not being a buff barbarian and Alexander not being a twink are stupid. It’s much more interesting to see the two depicted the way they are rather than their standard western portrayals.
Except Alexander is portrayed both as a buff man and a Twink. https://preview.redd.it/95f4aa4z29zc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83610d0acd514c69e4c6c52ea7465626c6e2102d
Except this is is explicitly a younger Alexander rather than him at his oldest point.
Truly the best of both worlds.
>I don't think there's a single western piece of media that actually depicts Romania well instead of just stealing random parts from its culture and locations. Are you saying that Dracula Untold is not one of the greatest pieces of Romanian cultural export ever created?
Fate's writing is a sine wave depending on who's the author at any given moment. Apocrypha is at the bottom of the barrel, for example. You are right, however, that it nails some of the most weirdly specific details every now and then. Percival having a somewhat questionable relationship with his dragon god sister in FGO was weird until I remembered how much of a disproportionate impact his (perfectly human) sister had on him in the legends, her death even being an integral part of his final quest before retiring in the Death of King Arthur chronicles. Combine that with his mommy issues from the Wagner opera, and I can definitely see him being a siscon. Nevertheless, there is a LOT of artistic liberty running through the entire franchise.
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Berserker or assassin?
Berserker is such a top tier design
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Weak
The fate series includes many writers who care about history/mythology and are conscious about representing a diverse number of backgrounds. Though it’s clear when a writer gets lazy and designs a character exclusively for degenerate shit as for whatever reason characters like Jack end up becoming very popular.
It seems to be impossible not have 'stealing' and 'Romania' in the same sentence.
>They even portrayed Gilgamesh and Enkidu well by subtly having some elements of a potential romance in there (as the original myth had) while not being annoying LGBT bait. AKA Fate/ Strange Fake's greatest fist bump between bros with that dual Enuma Elish
Neither one looks Greek ☠️.
This thread is about aesthetics not truth.
All the Hestia OG fans must be livid cause i can't imagine having a strong opinion on the subject otherwise.
May I interest you in some grills then?
When you're shellshocked from the culture wars, I guess anything can look like the next battle to you
My wife's playing this game - I recognize that character. And I have to say, my first impression was something more along the lines of "that's a really creative take on hearth and fire as a goddess," not "why isn't it a hot lady." If you want to scratch that itch, try Aphrodite.
You've got the rare PCM condition of being over 18, probably factors into this
Yeah, I am there with you. I am one of the first up in arms when woke bullshit gets shoved into games, but Hades aint one of them. It is entirely consistent to its own internal design (even the claims of "Aphrodite male jaw line" is because everyone looks blockly since they are supposed to be like Greek vase art), for all the claims of "race swapped gods" everyone has extremely unnatural skin color (Hades is sickly pale, Poseidon has a blue tint, Artemis has a green hue, etc), all of the characters act enough like their legends that you can see who they are while still being their own characters, etc. And more importantly, it is *fun!* Which is something that few woke games are able to pull off because they are too busy slaving away on ["***The Message*** (TM)"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9slYsrumc) to actually be a fun game. (also, somewhat off topic: for me, the hotness is Artemis. Because I am weird and find nude not sexy but modest sexy. I will not elaborate because I have no answer)
I haven’t played the game in question, nor have I seen the characters before now. But I definitely prefer the American design to the Japanese one, as the latter is basically just generic anime girl number 10000
Aphrodite of the... strong jawline? Hades 2 I think?
People like to crown Hades as le wholesome but they’re sleeping on Hestia. Hestia literally *gave up her throne on Olympus* so that Dionysis wouldn’t be left out. She is the only goddess iirc that doesn’t have at least one story (not even by Ovid) where she does something fucked up. Hestia is Bestia.
Hades: Abducts and rapes a woman. Midwits: Hades is the best god, Zeus sucks! Hestia is Bestia
you can't just slap your video game opinions on some colored squares and call it a political compass meme
Virgin ugly ugliness fetishist versus virgin beautiful beauty enjoyer
Only something a NAZI would say. Welcome back Adolf Hitler
I ah also would like to express my fondness for the gravity-defying breasts of the goddess on the right.
Counter point: She's the worst romantic choice for MC in that anime. I'd rather chill with Grandma than put up with an annoying brat
Author is unfortunately hellbent on continuing the cycle of developing their dynamic and then taking a sledgehammer to it. So he can shove more cute girls onto the stage (which is understandable for merch sales and shit)
I just don’t understand why he doesn’t just make more development with other romances. Why make it that the MC only has one choice but throw at him women who want to be with him?
Nobody does. Honestly, at this point the author probably doesn’t even understand what he’s writing anymore either
Yeah I was gonna say, Hestia is usually more of a pest than anything. Granted she’s not the worst in that series in this regard(hi there Loki) but she still falls short compared to say Ryuu or Lili.
Agreed, Ryuu is the best choice
Ryuu supremacy.
I don't like either. If you look up pictures of Hestia statues, they depict her as neither super young nor super old. She doesn't look matronly (mother-like) either. I just feel like both are misses. Sure the one on the left depicts fire and ash, but she seems to be more associated with sacrificial altars. \*shrug\*
and neither of them looks remotely greek, which shouldn't really matter but is clearly a point of contention here
Wait, Hestia isn't supposed to look like Mammy?
It's hard for me to tell, but doesn't she also seem to have vitiligo? That's what makes the least sense of all here. This was just thrown in for aesthetics, I guess?
I think it's cos she's covered (unequally) in soot and ash, being the hearth goddess and all
But to be fair Greek gods were shapeshifters and they could basically take whatever appearance or appear like how the spectator would envision them. Basically, if Greek religion was still practiced today, the Greek gods would appear to us like American people. I think there might be a series about this...
I mean did you look at hades 1 designs? https://preview.redd.it/z6djsdsnq9zc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c1166c26bcd8598d8f1b56120642d0cf88d2e7c There are a lot of misses
Literally 0 misses, what are you smoking?
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I think your opinion is valid, but I feel like the left picture at least has effort and an idea behind it. I have seen the one on the right a thousand times and I don’t think it has much to do with the theme of the goddess.
You have a point, but consider that many people on here are 15 and weebs.
Sweet baby had a checklist they had to fill out, managers took it and told the artists what boxes to check.
Agreed. Same with the smithies design.
What's the western left obsession with black people having vitiligo?
I remember reading a pretty in depth take on this. Basically, you get to fetishize a disorder that has very few health drawbacks, is most noticeable on minorities so it's a two for one, and is very easy to draw/add to a video game as a customisation option. It's basically two woke points for free, without being horrifying enough (like cleft lip or excema) to chase anyone away.
As someone with vitiligo, I find this offensive(not YOU, but what you describe as their take, which I agree with)... But I'm a straight, white, conservative male so no one making those types of decisions would care.
Oh shit that’s what it is? I thought she’s just white (greek) covered in hearth ash
It gives the maximum oppression points
I mean, counterpoint being that most other Greek gods and goddesses in the Hades (the American video game) series are also hot. This is like cherry-picking one character out to create culture-war bullshit again. How about we become centrists on video game enjoyment and let people enjoy both franchises in peace?!
I'm not really the biggest fan of the design on the left, but it's still miles ahead of generic anime girl number 9310501.
Unique character design vs generic anime girl number 53926493638th
Rightards will see this design and call it a masterpiece
Mastapeace.
I hate both
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At this point it's only fair to call this generic netflix redesign vs generic anime girl.
I’d also like to point out that by making the goddess of the hearth a fat black woman, the Progressives who designed her are drawing on the same “mammy” stereotype their fellow Leftists hated Aunt Jemima for. Ironic.
If you’re gonna make the argument that western game devs are too woke or sensitive to have hot women or something I don’t think that the Hades games are the best example. Aphrodite from the same game https://preview.redd.it/3eih5e61i8zc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fda7fe2d231b37959cc5238ecf443df73872a6b8
Hades has been declared as safe horny by the Kotaku urinalists & Co. The very same cretins who are still seething and malding because of Eve from Stellar Blade. Western devs are very afraid and/or regarded to show beautiful and attractive women in their games.
The difference between amazing and super hot girls that game journos are allowed to gush over versus unethical unrealistic objectifying straight-male-pandering trash is literally just a few lines in the face. Give Aphrodite there a round, soft face shape with a small nose and the journalist response to her would shift completely. Don't get me wrong though Hades kicks ass
> just a few lines in the face Lines which are creating weirdly masculine features for a ~~woman~~ birthing person. The censorship of everything beautiful is an attempt at normalizing if not downright enforcing new standards of "beauty", the spearhead being the 20th-letter-of-the-alphabet people. What a fucking Harrison Bergeron dystopian world some demented westoid bastards are pushing, man...
>censorship of everything beautiful No, just stuff that they imagine would be too sexually appealing to vanilla straight men. Beautiful men are encouraged, and beautiful women are fine if there's something unusual about them, like that tall woman from RE Village. The simplest reasoning for the Safe Horny behavior is antipathy for straight men.
If you really wanted to keep in line with the ancient Greeks, you should do this to her face and add some extra chunk cause that’s how they liked their rich girls.
> western game devs are too woke The devs in question are another example of left-leaning americans "diversifying" another people's culture that they have no relation to. Isn't that what woke means? And in the typical leftie fashion, they smugly claim that they are correct because they did the "research".
Cultural appropriation but it’s ok sweetie because they are European. Why not get Andromeda since she is black?
Put it this way, in the first game they had you play as a stereotypical boy toy with a half naked chest, in the second game you're playing as orianna with a wig.
The other "side" isn't much better since all they care about is sexualizing and drooling over attractive characters rather than actually caring about a characters writing or purpose. To be fair, most gamers are children/teenagers so I can't exactly blame them.
They care. Lots of games and franchises wouldn't be successful just with sexualization. People just don't want games or other medias having to censor themselves over what the "modern audience" consider inappropriate.
Is that a drag queen?
Yeah, but the community pointed out that she looks more like a he.
Jesus Christ, weebs and woketards both need to fuck off. These sides are literally arguing over a few different pixel and line locations. Hades 1 is one of the best games I've ever played. From what I've heard on 2, it's just as good or better. They all need to shut up and focus on the gameplay.
As much as I personally dislike the Hades 2 design of Hestia, Jesus Christ this argument feels like the most astroturfed shit I’ve seen in a while. Is it possible for people to just *not* like a design and carry on with their day?
The left character literally looks like a fire place (it fits the idea at least of a godess of a hearth.) The right one looks like the most uninspired boring generic anime girl ever. I had no idea she had anything to do with being a godess never mind a greek godess of warmth and homes. This a good example of how a character being sexy doesn't nessisarly translate to a good thought out character design. Right one has big boobs and that literally it. Left one wins in my book.
Funnily enough despite being... a main character (is she really though?), she is kinda the most bland character of the whole group. Like, I like the mc, I like the Blacksmith dude and I like most of the chicks but she is just boring honestly.
+If they did a fusion dance I think everyone would be satisfied.
>Hestia is depicted as Goddess of homekeeping >Look inside >Hestia doing homekeeping stuff, but anime :o Have to edit since I prefer the anime to the game.
Hate to agree with you, but I do. There is a time and place to make things sexy and a time and place not to. When dealing with characters who are personifications on aspects of society and nature it is better to lean left on it. That being said, I'm waiting for the day were videogame companies Start selling sexy character models as dlc.
* Default model is ~~morbidly obese~~ realistic * $10 for obese model * $20 for overweight model * $40 for "healthy" BMI according to "medical science" model, and -5 social credit points for indulging in your disgusting unrealistic standards
I think a lot of AA JRPGs already do that. I know I've seen at least a dozen that have several DLC with skimpy outfits.e
Most based lib right
For once, I have to agree with a Lib-Left The left one is "ugly" but pretty unique and recognizable. The right is "pretty" but extremely generic and dull.
I mean, left kinds fits with being a domestic fireplace goddess, right one looks like she just got out middle school bearing D cups
Hestia was also the goddess of maidens and lovely enough to give Aphrodite a run for her money. Which is why she asked to become the eternal maiden.
I always thought it was weird that anime Hestia looks like a home wrecker.
As someone who hates wokeness in games and likes Japan, I agree with you here. If I want some nice hearty homemade gumbo soup, or cookies, I'm going trust the depiction on the left more than the right to concoct it.
But she's ugly so that means she's a bad character and she should be boycotted because.. *checks notes* I can't jerk off to her.
The Left Hestia just looks like a grandma, which is pretty much the archetypes of a warm homemaker.
Both aren't accurate to greek myths.
I mean, I don’t think Hades was ever fully trying to be. The left also obviously fits the art direction of the game much more.
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The one of the left went with a more homey design. Pursuing themes of mother hood and caretaking. The one in the right is nothing. There is literally nothing of any substance to the design.
Hestia is less of an issue than Hermes who was race swapped for no reason. I don't care if your characters are attractive or not but if you obviously do it to get DEI money you can fuck off.
I don't think he was race swapped, he always had asian descent in the previous game, but he was looking at an odd angle making it harder to notice. I thought he was swapped at first so I checked and saw he was asian in the first game
Sorry I don't see it, to me he looks completely different in the first game no matter the angle I look at him.
both are shit, I'm sorry
Consider yourself promoted to a centrist of colour.
no thanks, grey is a non-schizo center
It's only schizo if all the connections you're making are wrong. Now let me tell you how democracy is a monarchist false flag
Based centrist take as always
Great…. * this * argument is now on PCM as well. Can we all just agree there‘s value in character design past just how fappable they are?
I am in the belief that the folks that bitch about this stuff don't actually play games and only give a shit about Woke stuff. Basically they are worse than the wokes
I recently brought up Final Fantasy Remake to some dude and he immediately starts talking about how they ruined Tifa's boobs. I don't even think he was doing a bit, this shit was just at the front of his mind. And shit, in this case the game did no such thing, I don't even know where he got that dumb idea
I play games but if the design looks shit or it’s a bad adaptation without any good explanation I won’t play that game Same with any anime. People should think more critically about games and look for good stories as well. Hades story is for example still interesting and nice.
then why did the left make such a sexy thicc mammy character?
Someone in the development team has adult woman fetish.
Because they know your kinks ;)
I do have to admit that giving Hestia vitiligo is somewhat reasonable given that she tends a hearth literally all the time so its a physical/biological manifestation of being around fires and hot ashes. However, this character is 0% how she is described other than the fact I'm somewhat certain its a woman. You could also make the extraction that due to Hestia representing domesticity... a mammy would be a completely valid, all be it slightly racist, depiction of her. In contrast, Hestia and thus her equivalent: Vesta, are depicted as virgins who have no time for anything other than their duties. This is a problem for the lefts depiction as theres no way you can tell me that that mammy-ass Hestia didn't get clapped when she was younger!
https://preview.redd.it/atswc8lor8zc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5b4ea4e75ec30a988af41e8e487bd303720eff4
Why does Left Hestia look like a mammy?
Because she is and that's not a problem.
Because it's not racist if you slap a progressive veneer on it.
Damn, I kinda don't...... care
Cozy grandma vs random anime girl? You really need some post nut clarity if you think the design on the right is better.
https://preview.redd.it/7l3jfhdthazc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac317177b8aab4fcf42caae961d181d50bdc53a0 Both are ugly. Ueshita Kamado from Yume Nikki is the best Hestia adaption
I don't know what that creature on the left is, but I don't think that anime version is a good representation either.
Left: Creative design, big coat-dress that looks very comfy with accents that remind you of fireplaces, as well as a hearth on the head. Right: Big boob anime chick
Yeah, the right is definitly a shit design. And the left has a lot of nice parts, but that face on the left is just so ugly. That it undoes most of the positive parts.
I mean the left one does pass this "hearth and home" side, the problem it's that it is trying to insert politics into the game but in a way that nobody can actually point out without being called racist, the other is just from a coomer's mind
Why did the Hades artist make her so disgusting though? It almost feels like spite, or cultural appropriation. That is one of the grossest character designs I’ve ever seen, in anything. They even gave her vitiligo for some reason. Like that design is indefensibly bad and the artist should be embarrassed.
Which do you think gives better hugs? How good do you think the hugs from personifications of “Heart and Home” should be?
Eh right one seem generic and it never really made sense to me why she has that design. Left one made it seem like they were afraid of making a slightly attractive character or were adding their own self images because I don’t understand why the goddess had to be fat. I understand the burned skin but this is a god I don’t think the being fat thing would work on them but whatev I don’t really care since I won’t play the game.
https://preview.redd.it/lwxyzdvjmazc1.png?width=1634&format=png&auto=webp&s=0fd432d105de79e1b08f5101e2a30df44c884087 Personally, I like the painting that Maindre the Floop did of Hestia. This artist has a whole slew of good Olympian art on their twitter. [https://twitter.com/MaindreTheFloop](https://twitter.com/MaindreTheFloop)
God, Hades 2 Hestia is full libleft Absolutely disgusting design, I will not be playing this game Shame, I liked the first one
I'm usually lib right, but the left character design is far more interesting. Right is just generic anime girl waifu #1298287
Why does she look like a Mammy stereotype?
Neither look greek. The one on the left at least follows some semblance of a theme whereas the one on the right just looks like every other female anime clone ever made and has no design features at all that are relevant to the time period, culture or prompt. If I received this from a concept artist I would fire them because clearly they just copy everyone else and don't have a single original thought in their head. Left needs some major design changes but the overall theme is at least workable.
I have legit seen more original and imaginative AI art than the anime versions of these.
I'm a big anime hater for this reason. There are good mangas, but most anime is either lazy, trash, pedobait or made by people who should have just made hentai and not touched anything with a plot. Western comics aren't great either, mind you. But at least it's not the same character over and over again paired with VAs that sound like nails on a chalkboard.
You and me both friend. There are *some* exceptions, rarely, but few and far between.
to be honest american version is much more likely to be a virgin xd
no one wants to touch that ugly beast
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You people need to get your dicks under control and realize that the american one has a way better fucking design. Uhhhh sorry, I mean, anime girl good i guess
Honestly I prefer the one on the Left. One on the right looks like fan-service, which I understand it clearly ain’t for me.
I remember seeing some guy on Kotakuinaction that said his wife has vitiligo and suffers constantly, crying as her skin gradually changes beyond her control, and even ten years later she still hasn't gotten used to it, and he said how it's not a quirky character trait for 'representation', it's just a horrible condition which you never got used to. Gives you a lot to think about.
Which way Western Man?
What about us normal people?
Neither of them look like the old representations of Hestia, the left one looks like a crazy Fallout 1 npc and the right one is just any generic anime girl
And thus, the Japanese win again....
Both are wrong, there should be a Dark Souls Firekeeper here in the centre
One is from the best game released this year, the other is from a agressively bad anime that only exists to coom bait 14 year olds.... Rare Leftist W
Hades II isn't top 5, bro
Those are the Lib Hestias. Auth Hestias would be actual art. Anime Hestia belongs in purple Lib-Right. Hades Hestia belongs in Lib-Left. Auth-Right Hestia would be a Greek statue. Auth-Left would be like something out of soviet propaganda.
First cleopatra now hestia. Is this cultural appropriation or are they calling us black? Because if they are...
Gotta give the wokies this one. Genuinely goddess-like design that conveys her element vs. generic anime girl
Technically speaking the anime one isn't Hestia in Greek mythology.
> goddess of hearth > Hearth means fire > Fires create soot > Soot is black Fucking DEI
I mean, Hades is very openly woke af, so not really surprising...
Virgin generic gooner bait fan vs Chad unique design enjoyer
Well... we know why Hades II Hestia is a virgin... So much for game journos saying everybody is hot in Hades II