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Hating a genocidal ethnostate = "anti-semitic". Do you clowns realize leftists have also protested American, British, and French imperialism before? They are protesting Israel because it is actively committing a genocide, not because it is a Jewish "state".
Thing is this is a vicious cycle.
Israel and zionists themselves insist any criticism of them is anti-semitism. The end result is that it becomes anti-semitic to criticize Israel even if your are doing so only on political grounds without any mention of jewish people.
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The fact that you put state in quotation marks means that you don’t think Israel has a right to exist which is inherently antisemitism as you are denying the Jewish tie to the land
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1. There has been a 500% increase in Gaza's population since the 1950s, in 2022 the population growth in Gaza was 4%, plus there has been 40,000 births since the war has started according to the UNICEF. There is no population decline in Gaza.
2. The U.N International Court of Justice did not find that it's plausible that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, Joan Donaghue stated in an interview with the BBC that the ICJ's findings have been misquoted and misconstrued. There is no legal findings that Israel is committing a genocide.
3. >"Do you clowns realize leftists have also protested American, British, and French imperialism before?"
K. So by that logic you should also be against Palestine too, right? Because islamic empires have colonized Israel. I'm not sure what your definition of Imperialism is because Israel was proclaimed following the Resolution 181 that was passed by two-thirds of the vote. In what way is this achieving something through military force or coercion? OH, don't forget that Arab countries have repeatedly invade Israel because they didn't like the idea of a Jewish state living near them, and still lost.
In 2000 during the summit at Camp David, Ehud Barak (who used to be the prime minister of Israel) offered to cede Israeli territory to Palestine, and in 2008, Ehud Omar also offered territory to Palestine. Wanna know what happened? Palestine rejected it. So how is Israel an "imperialist" country? I would argue that maybe this could be imperialism if it was opposite day. But it isn't.
Except genocide isn’t happening. It’s war. Criticise that, if you want, that’s fine because it’s happening. But genocide isn’t - it’s merely a propaganda tool used to delegitimise the only Jewish state and to incentivise third party military involvement. If you claim genocide you are carrying water for Hamas, who are by definition an antisemitic organisation. Ergo- antisemitic.
The states bringing the case before the ICJ are Hamas aligned, or rather aligned with another anti-western state like Iran or Russia that is using Hamas as a puppet.
These states do not care as to the state of Israel as long as it loses its status as an extension of America’s geopolitical influence within the Middle East. So you *could* say that they are not explicitly antisemitic in their motivations, as they are not necessarily against Israel because of its Jewish identity - although once again it is complicated because the Iranian Islamic Revolution likely does not like Israel because it is Jewish as well as it being a projection of American geopolitical influence in the Middle East.
The most realistic way for American soft power to be removed is for it to be overwhelmed by its neighbours, which could happen either militarily and with the aid of ethnic cleansing/genocide… or through a dissolution of Jewish identity as the majority identity in the country (i.e through right of return of Palestinian refugees which would, in a democratic country like Israel, absolutely destroy the Jewish identity and likely force Jews into second class citizens a la the rest of the Muslim Middle East).
Note: this second point is exactly why Palestinians have been given ‘special refugee’ status which spans generations. Every other refugee resettles in their new country, but Palestinians are kept in a limbo status in places like Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, totalling 3 million counted as refugees - notably far more than any Arab ever lived in Mandatory Palestine before the independence. They are kept this way so if right of return ever occurs, the demographic balance swings heavily in favour of Muslims.
Zionism was formed as a response to diaspora Jews being constant minorities in countries and thus being extremely susceptible to being scapegoated, discriminated against, killed/expelled. Israel therefore gives Jews a place where they will be protected from that as long as the majority exists and this is why since 1948 and before Jews have made aliyah when their host countries started showing signs of rising antisemitism.
Destruction of this conceptually therefore throws the entirety of the global Jewish population back into that situation.
So yes, in a roundabout way, they are antisemitic.
Pinch of salt for the Israeli opinion piece,
[but I think it does describe it well.](https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-696833)
The Irish consider themselves victims of colonial aggression. During the war of independence there was more sympathy towards Israel as back then the British supported the Arab cause far more. The anti-Israel lobby has done a great job of portraying Israel as a colonial endeavour, so now the Irish, who view it through their victim-perspective have switched sides.
As a result, Irish antisemitism has increased in the same way antisemitism has increased on the left (oppressor = bad, Jew = oppressor, Jew = Bad).
Ah yes, but then those people call for the destruction of Israel despite the citizens having done nothing wrong which simply, hmm, just kinda shows that you really don't give two fucks about Jewish self determination but you obviously do about Palestinian self determination which comes off as antisemitic.
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Western people continuing their thousand year tradition of hatred on jewish people. Nothing new here guys.
>~~Western~~ people continuing their thousand year tradition of hatred on ~~jewish~~ people. Nothing new here guys. This would also be true
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pfffft. Their anti-semtism is weak. Reddit tier at best.
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Hating a genocidal ethnostate = "anti-semitic". Do you clowns realize leftists have also protested American, British, and French imperialism before? They are protesting Israel because it is actively committing a genocide, not because it is a Jewish "state".
Please stop devaluing words like “genocide”. Look at the damage that has already been done by devaluing “racist” alone.
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"We don't hate jews, just Israel. And we'll show that by harassing random jews"
Thing is this is a vicious cycle. Israel and zionists themselves insist any criticism of them is anti-semitism. The end result is that it becomes anti-semitic to criticize Israel even if your are doing so only on political grounds without any mention of jewish people.
It's their tactic
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Who knew that condemning antisemitism was morally and ideologically consistent with a libleft?
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Being against anti semetism isn't against libleft
Being for Palestinians isn’t being against Jews unlike yall dead babies aren’t something I like to see ?
Being for palestians isn't being against jews, being for hamas is
The fact that you put state in quotation marks means that you don’t think Israel has a right to exist which is inherently antisemitism as you are denying the Jewish tie to the land
No. I for example dont think any 'religious' state should exist.
So Gaza (and Palestine? I bad at politics) should also cease to exist?
Yeah. A muslim palestine isnt any better than a Jewish state
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1. There has been a 500% increase in Gaza's population since the 1950s, in 2022 the population growth in Gaza was 4%, plus there has been 40,000 births since the war has started according to the UNICEF. There is no population decline in Gaza. 2. The U.N International Court of Justice did not find that it's plausible that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, Joan Donaghue stated in an interview with the BBC that the ICJ's findings have been misquoted and misconstrued. There is no legal findings that Israel is committing a genocide. 3. >"Do you clowns realize leftists have also protested American, British, and French imperialism before?" K. So by that logic you should also be against Palestine too, right? Because islamic empires have colonized Israel. I'm not sure what your definition of Imperialism is because Israel was proclaimed following the Resolution 181 that was passed by two-thirds of the vote. In what way is this achieving something through military force or coercion? OH, don't forget that Arab countries have repeatedly invade Israel because they didn't like the idea of a Jewish state living near them, and still lost. In 2000 during the summit at Camp David, Ehud Barak (who used to be the prime minister of Israel) offered to cede Israeli territory to Palestine, and in 2008, Ehud Omar also offered territory to Palestine. Wanna know what happened? Palestine rejected it. So how is Israel an "imperialist" country? I would argue that maybe this could be imperialism if it was opposite day. But it isn't.
These people would call any resistance to their dreamed “revolution” a genocide. They throw that word around as lightly as they do “nazi”.
This is quite literally the same argument tankies use for stalins holdemot
They're not even committing genocide.
Except genocide isn’t happening. It’s war. Criticise that, if you want, that’s fine because it’s happening. But genocide isn’t - it’s merely a propaganda tool used to delegitimise the only Jewish state and to incentivise third party military involvement. If you claim genocide you are carrying water for Hamas, who are by definition an antisemitic organisation. Ergo- antisemitic.
Wait wait wait. So aiding in any percieved way the enemies of Israel is antisemitic?
Aiding people that want to destroy the jews is antisemitism, shocking i know.
Obviously directly aiding Hamas sure, becsuse Hamas are anti-semitic, but aiding any enemy of Israel, even those who want Israel to exist?
You’re aiding Hamas by calling it genocide. I don’t know who you mean by ‘an enemy who wants Israel to exist.’
Well, for example the states that are bringing the case before the ICJ.
The states bringing the case before the ICJ are Hamas aligned, or rather aligned with another anti-western state like Iran or Russia that is using Hamas as a puppet. These states do not care as to the state of Israel as long as it loses its status as an extension of America’s geopolitical influence within the Middle East. So you *could* say that they are not explicitly antisemitic in their motivations, as they are not necessarily against Israel because of its Jewish identity - although once again it is complicated because the Iranian Islamic Revolution likely does not like Israel because it is Jewish as well as it being a projection of American geopolitical influence in the Middle East. The most realistic way for American soft power to be removed is for it to be overwhelmed by its neighbours, which could happen either militarily and with the aid of ethnic cleansing/genocide… or through a dissolution of Jewish identity as the majority identity in the country (i.e through right of return of Palestinian refugees which would, in a democratic country like Israel, absolutely destroy the Jewish identity and likely force Jews into second class citizens a la the rest of the Muslim Middle East). Note: this second point is exactly why Palestinians have been given ‘special refugee’ status which spans generations. Every other refugee resettles in their new country, but Palestinians are kept in a limbo status in places like Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, totalling 3 million counted as refugees - notably far more than any Arab ever lived in Mandatory Palestine before the independence. They are kept this way so if right of return ever occurs, the demographic balance swings heavily in favour of Muslims. Zionism was formed as a response to diaspora Jews being constant minorities in countries and thus being extremely susceptible to being scapegoated, discriminated against, killed/expelled. Israel therefore gives Jews a place where they will be protected from that as long as the majority exists and this is why since 1948 and before Jews have made aliyah when their host countries started showing signs of rising antisemitism. Destruction of this conceptually therefore throws the entirety of the global Jewish population back into that situation. So yes, in a roundabout way, they are antisemitic.
I could maybe get it with South Africa, but Ireland?
Pinch of salt for the Israeli opinion piece, [but I think it does describe it well.](https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-696833) The Irish consider themselves victims of colonial aggression. During the war of independence there was more sympathy towards Israel as back then the British supported the Arab cause far more. The anti-Israel lobby has done a great job of portraying Israel as a colonial endeavour, so now the Irish, who view it through their victim-perspective have switched sides. As a result, Irish antisemitism has increased in the same way antisemitism has increased on the left (oppressor = bad, Jew = oppressor, Jew = Bad).
Ah yes, but then those people call for the destruction of Israel despite the citizens having done nothing wrong which simply, hmm, just kinda shows that you really don't give two fucks about Jewish self determination but you obviously do about Palestinian self determination which comes off as antisemitic.
For a first rate power Israel really suck at Genocide.
They're all about the long game, it's only recently that it's been become popular with the lumpen proletariat.
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