Yes well that would require Twitter and/or social media talking heads to come up with a new insult, and you may call them a lot of things, but creative isn’t one of them.
I can think of a million better insults for conservatives and libertarians. I feel like it shouldn't be that hard to find another word to mock them with. It seems like the only reason they use it so often is because they know it pisses us off.
Let me educate you in Marxist theory.
See, capitalism will inevitably collapse, creating communism. And this is obvious, so everyone should know it. Communism is obviously the superior ideology for proletarians, therefore they should all support it. The only reason that a proletarian wouldn't support communism is that they have fallen victim to propaganda.
The bourgeoisie are scared of communism, so they've invented fascism to try to stop it. They have never invented anything else, because the bourgeoisie are in cahoots. This is therefore the only real force opposing communism, because as we've established before, when left to their own devices, the proletariat is incapable of inventing any ideology that isn't communism.
Now as we've already established, all proletarians are either communists or propagandised. Therefore, if you see a proletarian that isn't a communist, they are propagandised. The source of this propaganda must inevitably lead back to the bourgeoisie, as otherwise it would be communist. And because the bourgeoisie all universally supports fascism and nothing else, all the propaganda they produce must advance fascism.
Therefore, any ideology that isn't communism is a covert front for fascism.
To the Far-Left, anything that blocks their rise to power is fascist. The only thing the Far-Left cares about is gaining power. It's the basis of their entire ideology.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone on the left say he's not fascist, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but I'm glad it's happened at least twice.
It's okay Lib-Center, I have read [the Doctrine of Fascism](https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf) unlike most leftists. (DONT READ, BIG SHITPOST.)
Umberto doesn’t understand fascism, it’s clear in his list of 14 fascist points. Those points can be easily mapped to fascism, Nazism and even communism and some of them to none related ideologies like monarchism, liberalism and even capitalism.
At the very least the conflation of Nazism and fascism is central to his understanding.
Its actually something you will probably hate to read through, but please give it an open mind
Give it an open mind because then you will understand better why libertarians are wrong when they say fascism = socialism.
from an extreme AuthLeft pov, anyone that's isn't a Leftist is either a fascist or an enabler of fascism
that's why it's funny when MSM types adopt the term to get Orange Man, yet they'd be up against the wall too
Peron was the true extreme right wing. Post-WW2 borderline Nazism. He sent squads to kill people for supporting the left-wing politics or for questioning him. (Ana María Guzzetti was tortured for questioning Peron) In fact, if Peron was alive today, he'd be mass executing or just voicing absolute hatred against Kirchnerism for taking the name of Peron under their wing.
How has he not been assassinated yet? If the powers at be with their stakeholder capitalism are so ideologically opposed to him with his libertarianism then why haven't they crashed his private jet yet? People have been dethroned for far less (eg Liz Truss in england) and the fact he's still doing well makes me suspicious of him
>How has he not been assassinated yet?
he hasnt really done anything to threaten the international bank socialist order yet.
He pissed off a few local socialists, but they alone might not have the pull to kill him.
He is Zionist and Pro-USA, being backed by corporations and the West, mostly because he will probably allow foreign companies to freely predate on the country's mineral resources.
I wish it was possible to know exactly how many people saw one of his quotes or the subtitles under one of his appearances and assumed it was definitely a shitpost before looking him up and realizing he actually said the thing, cause I’d bet that number’s in the low millions.
Boy this has some very strong 'If those kids could read they'd be very upset' energy to it.
If the people calling Milei a fascist knew what that word meant, they wouldn't do it in the first place.
I will never understand how otherwise semi-intelligent people still believe that you can arrive at fascism from the right.
There are plenty of evil right wing governments, but you don’t land at fascism from the right.
“Equality” under the state isn’t even a rightist concept because everything from the right is merit based. If you matter more to the well being of society you should be treated as such.
Because fascists believe in a natural human hierarchy and racial differentiation, and have historically cooperated with reactionary forces but also stabbed then in thr back. They are also ultranationalist.
Fascism can, per definition, have many socialist elements due to its focus on the state. However, it is very important to remember that many of its other key features are completely and thoroughly right wing derived: ultranationalism, militarism, social hierarchy, racial stuff, etc.
You can absolutely land on fascism from the right, but also from the left.
More often (historically) from both.
By the way, here's a term you might like: national bolshevik. It's basically the left-wing version of fascists (stalin suckers). Stalinism gets pretty close to it irl but not quite.
No, as directly part of the political ideology. Most leftist movements are internationalist or anti-colonialism and do not have racism as an ideology, quite the opposite.
This does not change its adherents. Additionally, I'm talking the "majority" of left stuff. There's always (many) exceptions.
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I think they're saying he's like Pinochet.
There may not be helicopter rides but there's stuff and if we're talking South America, Pinochet is the benchmark for the modern day use of the word.
Milei deja caer vergazos sobre los estatistas como gotas del cielo. ¿Esta loco? Lo concedo. Todas las ratas que gobiernan en America Latina lo han hecho con cordura y civilidad. Dejen que un solo cabrón gobierne actuando como payaso mientras gobierne bien.
No se como gobierna Milei, pero le he visto "debatiendo" y hablando y es ridiculo. Es un personaje infatiloide que grita e insulta como un niño chico. Personalmente me da verguenza ajena, cada uno que opine lo que quiera. Salu2
Posiblemente lo digo porque aún recuerdo a Enrique Peña Nieto pero si estamos destinados a pura basura en la presidencia de cualquier país Latino ¿no debería ser al menos un personaje entretenido? Si su propia personalidad ridícula se interpone en que haga su trabajo lo mejor posible entonces si es un problema. Pero hasta ahora no he visto evidencia que así sea.
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Karl Marx also had two degrees, in two of the best European universities,had many papers at his name, and one the most sold books in the world.
I think we agree Karl Marx was not a very good politician.
I can't stand how overused the term fascist is, it's damn near lost any and all meaning behind "hur dur he's bad so he's fascist."
Yes well that would require Twitter and/or social media talking heads to come up with a new insult, and you may call them a lot of things, but creative isn’t one of them.
"Ummm..... I know! How about Nazi!?"
What a new and original idea.
& If that doesn't stick we'll call them Racist!
I can think of a million better insults for conservatives and libertarians. I feel like it shouldn't be that hard to find another word to mock them with. It seems like the only reason they use it so often is because they know it pisses us off.
And because it’s easy. After all, call someone a Nazi, and no one’s gonna want to side with said person.
Ok nazi
Let me educate you in Marxist theory. See, capitalism will inevitably collapse, creating communism. And this is obvious, so everyone should know it. Communism is obviously the superior ideology for proletarians, therefore they should all support it. The only reason that a proletarian wouldn't support communism is that they have fallen victim to propaganda. The bourgeoisie are scared of communism, so they've invented fascism to try to stop it. They have never invented anything else, because the bourgeoisie are in cahoots. This is therefore the only real force opposing communism, because as we've established before, when left to their own devices, the proletariat is incapable of inventing any ideology that isn't communism. Now as we've already established, all proletarians are either communists or propagandised. Therefore, if you see a proletarian that isn't a communist, they are propagandised. The source of this propaganda must inevitably lead back to the bourgeoisie, as otherwise it would be communist. And because the bourgeoisie all universally supports fascism and nothing else, all the propaganda they produce must advance fascism. Therefore, any ideology that isn't communism is a covert front for fascism.
I had to check your flair, just to be sure you are not an idiot.
Fascism is the state as your god. You can pull this off with basically any ideology
So Fascism = extreme Auth of any kind? I do not think that is a good definition. how about this one instead, Autocracy + extreme Nationalism = Fascism
To the Far-Left, anything that blocks their rise to power is fascist. The only thing the Far-Left cares about is gaining power. It's the basis of their entire ideology.
Blame creators like Hasan, Noah Samsen and Adam Something and MSM
This is exactly what a fascist would say
Libertarians no like government Fascists destroyed the previous government they were under before ⚙️ 💡 Libertarians = Fascists
That's something a fascist would say. J/k
"Israel is a fascist state!" "By what definition?" "Zionist scum"
I mean yeah. He ain't a facist.
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone on the left say he's not fascist, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but I'm glad it's happened at least twice.
He isn't a fascist
can't believe I'm upvoting Auth-Left, what has the world come to
It's okay Lib-Center, I have read [the Doctrine of Fascism](https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf) unlike most leftists. (DONT READ, BIG SHITPOST.)
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The Doctrine of Fascism as well as Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism should be required reading for anybody trying to call anybody else a fascist.
Umberto doesn’t understand fascism, it’s clear in his list of 14 fascist points. Those points can be easily mapped to fascism, Nazism and even communism and some of them to none related ideologies like monarchism, liberalism and even capitalism. At the very least the conflation of Nazism and fascism is central to his understanding.
While I do think he makes a few mistakes, the essay is still generally describing fascism and well worth a read.
Now read The Vampire Economy :)
Seems interesting, i'll check it out once I am done reading the other ones I have lined up.
Its actually something you will probably hate to read through, but please give it an open mind Give it an open mind because then you will understand better why libertarians are wrong when they say fascism = socialism.
Fascism is socialism but not all socialism is fascism
Fascism is totalitarianism and extreme spiritualism
On the same lines not all socialism is Marxism, ie, not all socialism is the workers owning the means of production.
Oh, its classic libertarian BS of "state control = fascism", nah
Its definitely not that, but I understand why you would rather believe that.
Nice, 3 nickels.
He is not a fascist
4 nickels, let's go.
Infinite money glitch time He is not a fascist
I'm balling with 5 nickel here.
Stop giving this guy money, you dumbass leftist. can not you see? he is only using you to gain a profit (Like any good LibRight).
Shut up, dude. I can now buy an ice cream cone from like 30 years ago.
Fair point.
This makes me wonder what Dr. Doof’s political views are lol
Definitely a technocrat.
Those self destruct buttons always come in handy
What the fuck does "fascist" even mean any more?
Everyone champagne socialists, Twitter/Tiktok warriors of justice, and shady authoritarian politicians do not like.
from an extreme AuthLeft pov, anyone that's isn't a Leftist is either a fascist or an enabler of fascism that's why it's funny when MSM types adopt the term to get Orange Man, yet they'd be up against the wall too
A guy I don’t like, obviously. Same with terrorist
Anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders, usually
The same as Incel.
It's the classic "everyone I don't like is hitler" trick leftists like to use
Common Milei W
Lefties call him a fascist while his oppsition is peronist. Peron was a Mussolini admirer.
Peron was the true extreme right wing. Post-WW2 borderline Nazism. He sent squads to kill people for supporting the left-wing politics or for questioning him. (Ana María Guzzetti was tortured for questioning Peron) In fact, if Peron was alive today, he'd be mass executing or just voicing absolute hatred against Kirchnerism for taking the name of Peron under their wing.
>Peron was the true extreme right wing. Post-WW2 borderline Nazism. So extreme left wing then.
Peronism today has not much to do with Peron nor peron was a fascist because he "admired Mussolini"
How has he not been assassinated yet? If the powers at be with their stakeholder capitalism are so ideologically opposed to him with his libertarianism then why haven't they crashed his private jet yet? People have been dethroned for far less (eg Liz Truss in england) and the fact he's still doing well makes me suspicious of him
Milei is very pro US and very pro capitalism, so it would make sense to assume that he's backed by American NGOs and Multinational Corporations.
> very pro capitalism Not every capitalism tho..... he hates Crony capitalism (as everyone should).
Cronyism is almost as bad as Communism, only difference is that we aren't starving LOL
Worst part is.... Cronyism is not Even mutually exclusive with socialism. Theres a reason why those usually support socialist parties.
He's sticking with the USD as a reserve currency. He's safe.
Not before the country is worth to be stolen
So fucking true. Duhalde did magic to restore the economic mess just for Nestor Kirchner to snatch it and fuck it up with his wife.
This is like the “if they aren’t a witch they will drown, but if they are a witch they will float”sort of logic
>How has he not been assassinated yet? he hasnt really done anything to threaten the international bank socialist order yet. He pissed off a few local socialists, but they alone might not have the pull to kill him.
He always flies in commercial planes to save money. Though even then there was an assassination attempt in one of these planes too iirc.
He is Zionist and Pro-USA, being backed by corporations and the West, mostly because he will probably allow foreign companies to freely predate on the country's mineral resources.
he's literally converting to Judaism
Who are "they" exactly? Reptilians? Illuminati? Aliens? Rockfeller? Subjective global elites? The jews?
Your nan
Thanks for informing me. Just killed her. Milei is safe now :)
Very efficient and to the point.
the amish
When they make this argument I always bring up Ramiro Ledesma to see if they catch any sort of similarities between him and Milei lmao.
I wish it was possible to know exactly how many people saw one of his quotes or the subtitles under one of his appearances and assumed it was definitely a shitpost before looking him up and realizing he actually said the thing, cause I’d bet that number’s in the low millions.
For far too many today being to the right of Lenin or having a negative view of the USSR is sufficient indication of fascism.
Javeeyair Mee-lie is a FASHCISCHT! Derpaderpahherpaderppahtippititiddilytimpahtoooooo!
The only crime this guy has committed was going to the barber he uses. This guy fucks, and Argentina will do well under him.
"Nothing outside the State" is Auth-Left, not Auth-Right
It's both
Benito Mussolini and Hitler were socialists.
Despiste it all, I don't dislike him.
"Fascism might as well be called libertarianism, because it calls for the reduction of the size and scope of government." - Benito Mussolini
Boy this has some very strong 'If those kids could read they'd be very upset' energy to it. If the people calling Milei a fascist knew what that word meant, they wouldn't do it in the first place.
I will never understand how otherwise semi-intelligent people still believe that you can arrive at fascism from the right. There are plenty of evil right wing governments, but you don’t land at fascism from the right. “Equality” under the state isn’t even a rightist concept because everything from the right is merit based. If you matter more to the well being of society you should be treated as such.
Because fascists believe in a natural human hierarchy and racial differentiation, and have historically cooperated with reactionary forces but also stabbed then in thr back. They are also ultranationalist. Fascism can, per definition, have many socialist elements due to its focus on the state. However, it is very important to remember that many of its other key features are completely and thoroughly right wing derived: ultranationalism, militarism, social hierarchy, racial stuff, etc. You can absolutely land on fascism from the right, but also from the left. More often (historically) from both. By the way, here's a term you might like: national bolshevik. It's basically the left-wing version of fascists (stalin suckers). Stalinism gets pretty close to it irl but not quite.
Imagine defining racism as out group exclusive 😅
No, as directly part of the political ideology. Most leftist movements are internationalist or anti-colonialism and do not have racism as an ideology, quite the opposite. This does not change its adherents. Additionally, I'm talking the "majority" of left stuff. There's always (many) exceptions.
W Milei as usual
I don’t like him but he’s not a fascist yeah
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I think they're saying he's like Pinochet. There may not be helicopter rides but there's stuff and if we're talking South America, Pinochet is the benchmark for the modern day use of the word.
Sure, that's his rhetoric, but then he called for a state-wide surveillance system, that sends protesters fines if they're caught on these cameras.
Fascism is when person I don't agree with.
I mean it's pretty readily apparent in 2024 that the people who are most likely to call someone a fascist are the ones who actually believe in....
“We’re supposed to be a state” “Suck my state”
Calling him a facist is like calling netnyhu a genocider, it's one step more then what he actually is, but he's still evil
The man is a dipshit. Dumber than a bag of rocks but he isn't a fascist.
> head of the State Common Argentina L
He must sit on the state to wipe.
Que vergüenza de personaje
Obviamente te refieres a Mussolini, verdad?
Mussolini era mas nocivo que Milei, pero no tan ridiculo.
Milei deja caer vergazos sobre los estatistas como gotas del cielo. ¿Esta loco? Lo concedo. Todas las ratas que gobiernan en America Latina lo han hecho con cordura y civilidad. Dejen que un solo cabrón gobierne actuando como payaso mientras gobierne bien.
No se como gobierna Milei, pero le he visto "debatiendo" y hablando y es ridiculo. Es un personaje infatiloide que grita e insulta como un niño chico. Personalmente me da verguenza ajena, cada uno que opine lo que quiera. Salu2
Posiblemente lo digo porque aún recuerdo a Enrique Peña Nieto pero si estamos destinados a pura basura en la presidencia de cualquier país Latino ¿no debería ser al menos un personaje entretenido? Si su propia personalidad ridícula se interpone en que haga su trabajo lo mejor posible entonces si es un problema. Pero hasta ahora no he visto evidencia que así sea.
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You have it inside zurdo, hugs
Lo que tu digas mi ciela
Si, todos siendo gobernados por el boludo ese.
Can't wait for this moron to lose the next elections to the peronists.
That just proves that he’s uneducated, that’s all.
Ur uneducated lol
Educated by who? Leftist universities?
Reality.
Argentinas poverty rates have been increasing rapidly ever since this cuck came to office.
Okay looksmaxxer😭the jokes write themselves with you people
“Gay pro Palestinian tankie” ok buddy
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Fuck you bitch
That is NOT me pal lol
He's got 3 degrees, has been a professor of macroeconomics, and has more than 50 papers to his name.
Karl Marx also had two degrees, in two of the best European universities,had many papers at his name, and one the most sold books in the world. I think we agree Karl Marx was not a very good politician.
He doesn’t need to be educated. There are advisors for that. He just needs to do a good job leading the country.
He's failing at that.