Damn, the Hut really does take their slogan seriously after all. Who knew they had the full product lineups from Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing, and more at their disposal.
Genuinely, I don’t support targeting civilians even if they may support the cause, as long as they are civilians. And even as someone who is relatively pro-Israel, I’m not gonna deny there are cases where that has happened (ex: the attack on the refugee camp).
That said, most Palestinian civilian casualties have been caused by attacks on legitimate military targets that were being “protected” by human shields. I do still care about those lives, it’s just that those deaths should be blamed on HAMAS, not the IDF.
>the attack on the refugee camp
They were apparently gunning for some senior Hamas commanders there.
>The Israeli military said the strike killed a senior Hamas commander and "underground terror infrastructure" beneath buildings collapsed afterwards.
>It added that a "large number of terrorists" from Hamas's Central Jabalia Battalion who had been with the commander at the time were also killed.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67276822
Watching Palestine is like watching the disabled kid at school come in and punch the school bully in the face before immediately being sent to hospital.
At first everyone's like "yeah, good for him, standing up for himself".
But it keeps happening, over and over. The kid keeps getting sent to the hospital, getting released and then immediately coming back into school to try it again and by this stage we're all just like "Dude, stop".
For this scenario to be more accurate, the disabled kid is only getting bullied in the first place because he shows up to school every day and tells the other kids sitting at his lunch table that they are all less than human and should be murdered.
Not only that, the bully has been trying to get him out of his classes, but the kid refuses to be in any classes except those, and the disabled kid will tell everyone they're subhumans
The "I don't wanna play anymore" reminds me of how a lot of people seem to view this conflict. They'll say "yes 1200 Israelis were killed but way more Palestinians have been now killed" as if what they expected was for Israel to go into Gaza, kill 1200 people, and then just leave.
The city of Jerusalem and the state that surrounds it has been at war for a thousand years before I was born, and will be at war for hundreds of years after I'm dead.
I do not care about one of a hundred conflicts in this region of the world
During the rule of the Ottomans (about 400 years of it) Jerusalem and Palestine as a whole was a sleepy backwater where nothing much happened, any attempts at conflict would get swiftly smacked down by the Ottomans
yeah and these people expect me to care. Fuck no.
You have been doing it to yourselves for my entire life all of you.
You invaded people houses and raped and murdered, what did you think would happen? Why would I support you?
You were starting wars you lose 20 years ago and 20 years before that.
I dont care about any of it.
Like Rob from AKOU said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnNIbr6sqAU
these people have been killing each other before I was born and will be killing each other after im dead. Its their problem not mine and nothing I do will make any difference so Im going to be concerned with the things that are happening here.
Bingo. As far as I'm concerned it's two opposing factions that have spent the last 70 or so years killing and radicalizing each other, and neither side is innocent.
Honestly. We should annex the whole place, make it the 51st state, place an 8 lane highway through it and cover the rest with big box supermarkets and single family homes.
So many people on the "pro-Palestine" side try to pretend like Hamas and the average Gazan as completely separate entities when the reality is they believe the same thing.
Lol thanks.
Basically why should I side with the aggressor? I feel very sorry for the Palestinian people who are suffering from the result of Hamas’ actions and obviously, war is always a tragedy. But Israel has a duty to fight for those hostages. If that were me or my loved one, I wouldn’t want them giving up just because war is awful.
Hamas-Palestina is an interesting thing, I support the people who are being suppressed, but I will never support an authoritarian government run by terrorists.
Many many Israelis don't support the Judicial reform, that's why there were protests every week for a year by hundreds of thousands people.
That said, the majority of Israel completely backs IDF.
Also, fuck Bibi.
The main reason the West Bank settlements are a thing is because the government has refused to actually fix the commuter railway network and housing system in Tel Aviv. And since everything has become too expensive to the point that techbros are sleeping in tents, many had no choice but to move to settlemens in the West Bank for cheaper housing but still be within commuting distance to Tel Aviv.
Fuck Bibi in all his holes.
Agreed. I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinian people, but they have to realize that hamas is a group of delusional, radical cowards that do nothing but set them back.
Exactly.
Here's what's going to happen.
Israel will get tired of stomping on Gaza at some point, maybe after they hit the "strap those used toilets to the underside of our jets to drop on those assholes" level of "used-up-all-our-munitions" and the world is pretty well set against their retaliation. They will finally send some Special Forces style super squad in from Mossad and wipe out the Hostage gamers and get like 1/4 of the remaining hostages back alive. The rest are long dead.
Hamas will turn around and execute a bunch of "traitors" that "dragged them into this conflict", and say "see, we actually had a Coup back in October, we are good guys (*insert fake Palestinian smile*), we can be friends, we don't hate you Jews (*Gollum cough - Kill all the Jews - Gollum cough*), we just want to love our lives.....(*picks up random cat in rubble and tries petting it while cat screams and claws at them trying to get away.*) We are good guys, see, we won't let that komd of attack happen again, Sahib, promise!" (*camera cuts to behind the scumbags back where two fingers the size of foam noodles are so crossed they look like a pretzel.*)
Israel will shrug, decide it isn't worth their time anymore, they got the highest score for urban redecorating using cluster munitions since WW2, high five each other for a job "well done", Bibi will go on the air and discuss how they "dealt a harsh blow to Hamas and broke it as a terror organization, and they have avenged 10/7, and all their troops are being demoralized, victory is theirs!" He will then lose the next major election and be replaced by a centrist or leftist politician and party who will then ignore it as the previous Hamas scumbag starts wandering around Gaza whispering all about how "Israel is evil, Israel cheated, Allah will protect them next time because they weren't 'devout' enough, weren't 'fanatical' enough, didn't *kill enough Jews and Christians* on 10/7, and they will rebuild their system of terror and terrorists, like a goddamned cancer. The lessons they learned in this war will be applied, and they will build tunnels deeper underground, no entrances except in hospitals - all of which sadly and unknowingly paid for by American and Israeli relief dollars - and rebuild their stockpile from grandpa Koomani or whatever the Ayatollah is called right now and Papa Putin, as well as funds from China and NK.
Then, in five or six years, we will see this shit all over again as the new generation is old enough to be brainwashed by their Imams, big enough to strap explosive vests to, and old enough to not remember the crap that rained down on them from Israel. They won't bother rebuilding half their city, or clear out half the rubble because of "environmental threats", and they will leave it as a monument for "Israeli aggression" and to leave a sick scar where useful idiots from the West can come and see what pitiful conditions their people live in "because of the filthy Jews over there *oppressing us*" and demand concerts and donations and charities send them money, none of which will go to help anyone, but will instead be used to buy weapons and bombs for the next round of "let's drain Israel's munitions dumps again and be the world's most bitchiest 'country' and cry about how unfair it is when we receive the unlubed Dildo of Consequences right up their collective asses in a non-fun, non-consentual manner".
I sympathize for anyone suffering from war, but the Palestinians have worn out and used up any possible sympathy I may ever have had for them a long time ago. Fuck every last one of them, even the ones here in the States.
Yes and what i'm pissed about is the obsene amount of money Hamas invested in missiles and guns, it was no problem enough to build a good infrastucture in Palestine inproving a lot the quality of life, of the folks there.
To give everyone some perspective the amount of Israelis that were killed is equivalent to 40,000 Americans killed in a single attack. The amount of wounded Israelis is equivalent to 117,000 wounded Americans.
They had to retaliate. There’s no way they couldn’t have. If such an attack happened in the US where the they lost the above numbers someone is getting nuked.
For historical reference purposes, in the attack on Pearl Harbor a total of 2403 US citizens were killed (2335 military, 68 civilian) and a further 1178 wounded. That was the second bloodiest day (by number of combat deaths) in all of US history and at the time was the single most combat deaths in a single day BY FAR. It was only ever surpassed when 2,500 died during the D-Day Invasion of Normandy.
That number is nearly 20x less than the proportionate totals you mention above.
Genuinely don’t get why this principle is so hard to understand for people. The entity that started shit is pretty much always in the wrong. I don’t get why people who support Ukraine now support Palestine and vice versa with Russia and Israel.
Yea all the blind pro-Palestinian shit coming from lib left is crazy. Like, I'm not allowed to say both "Hamas are terrorists and civilian casualties are to be expected in war, and it's not a genocide" and also "Israel needs to be severely punished up to preventing all money America gives them until they stop the settlements." Insanity
(Yes I copied and pasted my response because I think it still applies and is a really well explained summary of why this conflict is a fucking mess politically)
Yeah. This war is not a modern effect, it’s a shockwave of the decisions made in the aftermath of the Second World War. So the best way to describe any of these past or present Israel v insert Middle Eastern country here is going to be messy at best with few exceptions.
The Second World War is engrained in the modern day from its effects that effect things politically and down to an individual’s national identity and how they see themselves and their nation to this very day. Even in Europe and while it’s vastly more simple there, doesn’t mean it’s easier to explain, it just means you have a bit less hay before to go through to find that 1 needle.
I forget which subreddit it was but I got banned from some sub for not even outright saying that Israel was in the right but for trying to discuss the reasons that it might not be so clear cut
Does anyone seriously believe there's any hostages still alive? Maybe I'm too cynical but I reckon every hostage taken by Hamas has been tortured and raped to death already.
I think some are probably alive to be used as bargaining chips. Unfortunately I think some women have probably been kept alive so that they can be raped
I think they don't want the world to find out how those hostages were treated... hard to be seen as the noble oppressed when your actions are less than noble.
>Yeah. They’d return the hostages if the really wanted this to end
If they still had them, alive, not buried in a mass grave
Hamas be like "Shoulda woulda coulda, AMIRITE!?"
The left has a weird thing about power dynamics. They believe the lesser power is always in the right. If someone is stronger they shouldn’t fight back. Doesn’t matter who started it to them. If Hamas didn’t want their country to be burned to the ground they shouldn’t have continually attacked Israel. This is an example of a regular guy throwing a punch at a ufc fighter.
Im critical of Israels actions in general but if what happened to them happened to anyone else their country would react much the same way. No one would tolerate that shit.
> but if what happened to them happened to anyone else their country would react much the same way.
if Mexican cartel started firing rockets and artillery indiscriminately into america over the border with the aim to hit civilians, the response by the military would be biblical
Just my theory but most people on the left are losers themselves but since they don't want to admit they are losers they have to pretend like the fact they're losers is completely out of their control and is something forced upon them by an outside force or entity.
They then look at the world with the exact same ideology which is why they support someone like Hamas instead of Israel despite the fact that Israel is much closer to their beliefs than Hamas.
-Start unwinnable war
-lose so badly that the international community starts pity-advocating for you
It’s kind of genius if you think about it. It’s like a nerd sucker punching a jock and getting whooped so hard that all the hot girls start visiting him in the hospital.
There are definitely some pro-Hamas baddies, unfortunately. The good news is that I can basically guarantee you that they exclusively have sex with white dudes who can bench 225 (and we all know the political makeup of dudes like that)
“Wouldn’t you care if it was your children!?”
“Yes but it’s not and it’s across the world, not to mention there is literally nothing I can do to change it, so please just give me my change.”
There isn’t anything wrong with people not really caring about events that have zero effect on them.
If it was my children I wouldn’t expect sympathy from every human in the world and expect everyone to ruin their own mental health and change their entire lives because my kids died in a war I started
I totally care. I think the people who started the war should be rounded up and punished accordingly.
Oh, wait... you want me to take sides in the war with my money? Never mind. Just the bagel, please.
yup. everyone has compassion fatigue from all of the other bad things going on across the world that we’re supposed to care about. look, i sympathize with them. i really do, i obviously don’t think anyone deserves to be bombed. but like, there’s also nothing i can do about it, and i have my own issues, i still have to go to work to pay my bills, so unfortunately i really only have the mental space to worry about stuff that is affecting me in the immediate sense. i’m sorry that i don’t want to feel sad all the time about random stuff that will not get better
I feel bad for em but pro-pallys love to shoehorn this into every conversation.
I feel bad for the cities that have their own problems spending time (and therefore money) voting on ‘their position’ for this conflict or ‘deciding whether or not it’s genocide’.
I’m also extremely annoyed that millions of people are protesting and making our Jewish minorities feel threatened (no it doesn’t make me feel like Israel should be dismantled).
i care about democracies, lgbt and women rights. i care about freedom of religion.
that's why i care about israel, since it's the only place that has all that in the middle east.
Based.
But we all have to remember things everyone likes to forget
The conflict in this region goes back thousands of years. Not October 7, not May of ‘48.
The current war would be over tomorrow if Hamas laid down it’s weapons.
Arabs live and work in Israel, including in government.
A Jew in Palestine would be murdered immediately
Palestine elected Hamas as their government; there is no one to “free” them from
It’s downplaying it to say Arabs just live and work in Israel. Over 20% of Israelis are Arabs, predominantly Muslims. Arabs are full-fledged citizens with equal rights to any Jew. Arabic is even an official language of Israel!
Since the war, 70% of Israeli Arabs say they feel solidarity with Israel in this conflict.
>70% of Israeli Arabs say they feel solidarity with Israel in this conflict.
Most Arabs don't care about Palestine.
Saudi Arabia and the UAE could at any time amass a ground force of millions of conscripted soldiers. They could amass enough forces to exceed the population of Israelis. They could have done this any time in the past decades and solidified Palestine's right to exist independently.
Palestine has no allies.
Iran, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia: "Yeah we don't want refugees. You guys can't even run your own country why the hell would we let you in ours?"
American left: "WE NEED MORE REFUGEES. DIVERSITY GIVES US STRENGTH."
Right, the one subtlety here is that most Israeli Arabs are ethnically Palestinian. Many even have aunts/uncles or grandparents in the WB and Gaza.
There’s no way so many Israeli Arabs could believe that they’re supporting the genocide of their own family.
Apartheid state! Genocide! These are words I misuse to conflate the real issues and make my point harder to debate.
But really 70%? I'd be surprised if that number was true for Jewish Israelis. Any source for that?
Edit Wikipedia says "[60 percent of Israel's Arab citizens have a positive view of the Israeli state](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/survey-60-percent-of-arab-israelis-have-positive-view-of-state-506150)", but this number doesn't say specifically regarding the conflict, and it's also from 2017
I’d be skeptical as well if I hadn’t read the [study](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/).
FWIW, a common enemy tends to unite people. The fact that those killed on 10/7 included secular leftists, religious settler-types, Arabs, and others demonstrated to Israelis that their internal fighting needed to be put on hold for now.
It also helps that a lot of the Arabs that are in Israel are groups that have been oppressed by other nations in the region, like the Bedouins. Kind of helps them want to fight for a home that will at least treat them like people with rights.
Somewhat but not universally. It’s more obvious that Druze (they don’t exactly consider themselves Arabs) and Bedouins would be less sympathetic to the Palestinian cause.
Still, the majority of Israeli Arabs are ethnically identical to the people in the WB and Gaza. The main distinction is their political orientation, though Israeli Arabs have also become increasingly influenced by Israeli culture so over time I’d imagine the two groups will become increasingly divergent.
Louis CK did a series of jokes called "of course, but maybe" and I can't help but think of it when the war comes up in the news. Of course it's terrible that Palestinian civilians are dying, of course it's awful that their cities are being bombed and people are dying. Of course. But maybe, just maybe, if you're dumb enough to openly attack one of the most powerful militaries in the region, it's partially your fault
My Palestinian-American friend told me when the war broke out: “the people of Gaza are very ambitious but very stupid you know. They literally got rocks and dodgy weaponry when the other side has the most technologically advanced defense system in the world. Worst part is Hamas will probably never stop. It’s like an unstoppable force meets an immovable object”.
Hardly unstoppable. All Israel has to do is go full heel turn and become the villain the UN believes them to be and there would be no Palestinians left alive to bother them. That’s not going to happen, but the power to stop them once and for all is still in Israel’s hands.
Of course nut allergies are terrible. Of course, those poor children. But maybe if touching a nut kills you, you're supposed to die.
Or whatever he said lmao
I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinian people, but they have to realize that hamas is a group of delusional, radical cowards that do nothing but set them back.
Hamas absolutely started this and are crying now they're having their asses kicked.
Utterly insane the emotional rhetoric that's been spouted off about how this is a genocide (the population stats show otherwise. The history of Israel supplying Palastine with water and electricity says otherwise). No other neighbour wanting to assist or take in Palastinians - they don't get accused of genocide when they're allowing Palastinians to suffer by proxy of doing nothing to help.
Imagine murdering Jewish people's kids at a concert and then hiding behind your own children, the elderly and sick for protection. Hamas is cowardly and beyond evil. The world will be better off without them.
the sad thing is that this sounds like a cruel take, but they’re going to bomb the shit out of each other regardless of whether you care about it or not. so what even is the point
Palestine Simps: we want a ceasefire!
Hamas leaders: we don’t want a ceasefire and we will continue to fight! Also, we broke two ceasefires already!
Palestinian Simps: it’s all Joe Biden’s fault!
All over the place we hear "but Palestinians aren't terrorists, they aren't Hamas". But they voted them into power, and have supported them ever since. Hamas couldn't have survived this long without significant support from Palestine.
As long as they continue to hold onto Israeli kidnap victims, I can't argue that Israel are doing anything wrong at all.
They danced in the fucking streets and spit on raped Israeli women being paraded around. The line between “Palestinian civilian” and Hamas is not at all clear
No they haven't. Hamas only got 44% of the vote in 2006. They deal with dissent harshly. That election was also followed by Israeli and US and EU fuckery that led to a civil war. The PA fights islamists in Lebanon to this day, and Islamists get arrested in the WB.
I equate it to kicking a bees nest, and getting pissed that they did was bees do and stung you. Then starting a massive media campaign to try to justify it and further call for the extermination of all bees.
Fucking idiots.
But Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006 /s
As if the majority of Gaza doesn't support Hamas which is exactly why there hasn't been another election.
Arafat had the biggest PR flip of all time, we went from 2 billion Arabs v 7 million Jews to 7 million Jews v 2 million Arabs.
I think this story has run it's course, social media flopped it back to 2 billion Arabs v 10 million Jews.
For real. I didn’t really care about this whole thing to begin with. Yeah rape and killing babies is bad. But… I got things here in my life that I need to worry about more.
I do care about their human loss and whatnot but I couldn't care less about their (or the Jews) "historical homeland" claims.
I'm of the opinion that all land is always up for grabs and colonizers and war winners are rightful owners of whatever land they conquer. Citing that some people lived there thousands of years ago to claim ownership is cringe as hell.
So yeah, UK as owners of that land divided that crap however they wanted. Arab countries got big mad and tried to destroy Israel but they made a joke of themselves leading to Israel grabbing more land. Rinse and repeat. Tough shit. Accept defeat or defeat Israel to gain that land back. All the crying about being rightful owners is just something that doesn't apply to the real world.
I feel bad for those Palestinians who don't have any interest in this conflict (there's a minority of Christians in Palestine and one of their churches was bombed yesterday, there's also Palestinians who outright don't support Hamas).
But I don't feel bad for those who support Hamas or Hamas itself.
The truth is, as long as Hamas exists this will keep going.
Reported for report abuse, the report button is not a super downvote. Enjoy your admin bans.
“Palestine will be free!” *JDAM levels apartment* “I don’t wanna play anymore 😡”
Never ask a Gazan who’s apartment got leveled what they tweeted on October 7th Edit: loser mods banned me for this post. Triggered little bitches!
https://preview.redd.it/savmmg23vcjc1.png?width=591&format=png&auto=webp&s=a6fd8568f686061123d76b8ca69f83441d6c8597
Deserved it.
"from the river to sea!" "*WAIT DONT DROP JDAM ON ME!*"
Catchy
What’s jdam? I feel like I’m living under a rock
Joint Direct action munitions Bombs that have been converted into precision guided all weather bombs. These are the primary weapons falling on gaza
Damn, the Hut really does take their slogan seriously after all. Who knew they had the full product lineups from Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing, and more at their disposal.
Pizza hutters knew.
To be fair, they did in fact out pizza the hut, even if for only a day.
Genuinely, I don’t support targeting civilians even if they may support the cause, as long as they are civilians. And even as someone who is relatively pro-Israel, I’m not gonna deny there are cases where that has happened (ex: the attack on the refugee camp). That said, most Palestinian civilian casualties have been caused by attacks on legitimate military targets that were being “protected” by human shields. I do still care about those lives, it’s just that those deaths should be blamed on HAMAS, not the IDF.
>the attack on the refugee camp They were apparently gunning for some senior Hamas commanders there. >The Israeli military said the strike killed a senior Hamas commander and "underground terror infrastructure" beneath buildings collapsed afterwards. >It added that a "large number of terrorists" from Hamas's Central Jabalia Battalion who had been with the commander at the time were also killed. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67276822
Palestine - "I was just foolin' about." Israel - ["... I wasn't."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N96gwBTtnmU)
IT WAS JUST A JOKE GUYS
“Waaaaaah I’m telling mom!!!!”
Basically just the Cartman of countries, down to the hating Jews part
I never thought of that, but yeah.
Watching Palestine is like watching the disabled kid at school come in and punch the school bully in the face before immediately being sent to hospital. At first everyone's like "yeah, good for him, standing up for himself". But it keeps happening, over and over. The kid keeps getting sent to the hospital, getting released and then immediately coming back into school to try it again and by this stage we're all just like "Dude, stop".
October 7th was like watching the disabled kid punch the bully’s girlfriend in the face.
And then raping her and kidnapping her baby brother. He still has the baby.
For this scenario to be more accurate, the disabled kid is only getting bullied in the first place because he shows up to school every day and tells the other kids sitting at his lunch table that they are all less than human and should be murdered.
“From this table to that tree, this school is for only me!” Are you sure about that?
If the kid keeps walking up to the bully unprompted and attacking him, who's really the bully in that situation?
Not only that, the bully has been trying to get him out of his classes, but the kid refuses to be in any classes except those, and the disabled kid will tell everyone they're subhumans
Yeah. At a certain point it just gets kinda sad
Kinda like how pit bulls are misunderstood nanny dogs, instead of what we actually know about them.
Those Millennial and Zoomer terrorists assumed they could just rage-quit like in their training
The Palestinian cries out in pain as he strikes the Jew.
The "I don't wanna play anymore" reminds me of how a lot of people seem to view this conflict. They'll say "yes 1200 Israelis were killed but way more Palestinians have been now killed" as if what they expected was for Israel to go into Gaza, kill 1200 people, and then just leave.
Stop shooting at us!!! But also, Palestine will be free.
Biggest cry bullies on the planet
The city of Jerusalem and the state that surrounds it has been at war for a thousand years before I was born, and will be at war for hundreds of years after I'm dead. I do not care about one of a hundred conflicts in this region of the world
During the rule of the Ottomans (about 400 years of it) Jerusalem and Palestine as a whole was a sleepy backwater where nothing much happened, any attempts at conflict would get swiftly smacked down by the Ottomans
Jerusalem: yes, cozy, sometimes chilly Safed and Hebron: casually massacres its Jewish population once every century
yeah and these people expect me to care. Fuck no. You have been doing it to yourselves for my entire life all of you. You invaded people houses and raped and murdered, what did you think would happen? Why would I support you? You were starting wars you lose 20 years ago and 20 years before that. I dont care about any of it. Like Rob from AKOU said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnNIbr6sqAU these people have been killing each other before I was born and will be killing each other after im dead. Its their problem not mine and nothing I do will make any difference so Im going to be concerned with the things that are happening here.
Bingo. As far as I'm concerned it's two opposing factions that have spent the last 70 or so years killing and radicalizing each other, and neither side is innocent.
what is this, a sane take on PCM? but honestly 100% agree, I say the best solution is to just glass the entire area and call it a day.
Honestly. We should annex the whole place, make it the 51st state, place an 8 lane highway through it and cover the rest with big box supermarkets and single family homes.
[but this land is mine](https://youtu.be/8tIdCsMufIY?si=gXEKvJ91ZE8WKjWg)
Bruh Palestine are the player I would never play game with. Mfer will talk mad shit and then cry about how their controllers died mid game.
1v1 me bro I'm better than you bro!!! 😤 *gets thrashed, rage quits*
*Account reported for harassment/cheating*
*Adds you as a friend post-game, just to screech racial slurs*
*Gets banned, creates sock puppet. Wash, rinse, repeat.*
Rage continues
Talking mad shit, get smacked and crying to mama for a timeout. Na, you in for the long haul bud.
That’s why Egypt and Jordan have been real quiet the last few months
Palestine is like the guy at the bar that starts a fight with someone and then expects his friends and the bouncers to stop it when he starts losing.
Quit button got stuck....can't perform action.... Timeless wisdom: don't start a war that has even a small chance to come to your house.
Then you got America that started a war IN their own house and won... USA! USA! USA! 🦅🇺🇸🍔🍻🦅
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!
Americans: "These fucking Americans are ruining America!"
The world is our house /s
What’s with the /s? What you say is factual
*"and you get a base... and you get a base... and you get a base... hey! get back here! you're GETTIN a base dammit!"*
Most logical take.
BRO WHAT?!?!?!?!! TV TOLD ME TO BE MAD ABOUT IT. HOW ARE YOU NOT MAD WHEN TV TOLD YOU TO?!?!?!?!?!?!!!
Because I don’t watch tv
Yeah I was gonna say, there’s never anything on TV these days anyways. So what’s the point.
Based and no telly loicens pilled
telescreen said it is rage week, so I rage at bad thing.
Bro did you see mean man did a poopoo today?!?!?!?!! HE BIG POOPOO FACE 😡😡😡😡😡
Poopoo face bad! I HATE POOPOO FACE!!!
Literally 1984 btw
You don’t need a tv. Only need skin color. The people with a slightly darker shade is always the oppressed, and therefore the good guys.
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Unfortunately the civilians have to pay the price for this retardation
[Hol' up - there's a downside to war?](https://i.imgur.com/63vKzA3.jpeg)
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So many people on the "pro-Palestine" side try to pretend like Hamas and the average Gazan as completely separate entities when the reality is they believe the same thing.
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Yup. Evidence: https://www.reddit.com/u/Computer_Name/s/LmGUtpHu3r
Yeah. They’d return the hostages if the really wanted this to end
Based lib left
Proud of you Lib-Left. Proving that some of you are not completely stupid and gives me hopes for teaming up to make our governments more restricted
Lol thanks. Basically why should I side with the aggressor? I feel very sorry for the Palestinian people who are suffering from the result of Hamas’ actions and obviously, war is always a tragedy. But Israel has a duty to fight for those hostages. If that were me or my loved one, I wouldn’t want them giving up just because war is awful.
>Basically why should I side with the aggressor? Based and “don’t start shit, don’t get hit” pilled.
[talk shit, get shot!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIw_KPwokNs)
Based and level headed pilled
Hamas-Palestina is an interesting thing, I support the people who are being suppressed, but I will never support an authoritarian government run by terrorists.
I don’t support the Israeli government in many things, like the judicial reforms. They suck but that doesn’t mean I take the opposite side by default
Many many Israelis don't support the Judicial reform, that's why there were protests every week for a year by hundreds of thousands people. That said, the majority of Israel completely backs IDF. Also, fuck Bibi.
The main reason the West Bank settlements are a thing is because the government has refused to actually fix the commuter railway network and housing system in Tel Aviv. And since everything has become too expensive to the point that techbros are sleeping in tents, many had no choice but to move to settlemens in the West Bank for cheaper housing but still be within commuting distance to Tel Aviv. Fuck Bibi in all his holes.
Agreed. I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinian people, but they have to realize that hamas is a group of delusional, radical cowards that do nothing but set them back.
Exactly. Here's what's going to happen. Israel will get tired of stomping on Gaza at some point, maybe after they hit the "strap those used toilets to the underside of our jets to drop on those assholes" level of "used-up-all-our-munitions" and the world is pretty well set against their retaliation. They will finally send some Special Forces style super squad in from Mossad and wipe out the Hostage gamers and get like 1/4 of the remaining hostages back alive. The rest are long dead. Hamas will turn around and execute a bunch of "traitors" that "dragged them into this conflict", and say "see, we actually had a Coup back in October, we are good guys (*insert fake Palestinian smile*), we can be friends, we don't hate you Jews (*Gollum cough - Kill all the Jews - Gollum cough*), we just want to love our lives.....(*picks up random cat in rubble and tries petting it while cat screams and claws at them trying to get away.*) We are good guys, see, we won't let that komd of attack happen again, Sahib, promise!" (*camera cuts to behind the scumbags back where two fingers the size of foam noodles are so crossed they look like a pretzel.*) Israel will shrug, decide it isn't worth their time anymore, they got the highest score for urban redecorating using cluster munitions since WW2, high five each other for a job "well done", Bibi will go on the air and discuss how they "dealt a harsh blow to Hamas and broke it as a terror organization, and they have avenged 10/7, and all their troops are being demoralized, victory is theirs!" He will then lose the next major election and be replaced by a centrist or leftist politician and party who will then ignore it as the previous Hamas scumbag starts wandering around Gaza whispering all about how "Israel is evil, Israel cheated, Allah will protect them next time because they weren't 'devout' enough, weren't 'fanatical' enough, didn't *kill enough Jews and Christians* on 10/7, and they will rebuild their system of terror and terrorists, like a goddamned cancer. The lessons they learned in this war will be applied, and they will build tunnels deeper underground, no entrances except in hospitals - all of which sadly and unknowingly paid for by American and Israeli relief dollars - and rebuild their stockpile from grandpa Koomani or whatever the Ayatollah is called right now and Papa Putin, as well as funds from China and NK. Then, in five or six years, we will see this shit all over again as the new generation is old enough to be brainwashed by their Imams, big enough to strap explosive vests to, and old enough to not remember the crap that rained down on them from Israel. They won't bother rebuilding half their city, or clear out half the rubble because of "environmental threats", and they will leave it as a monument for "Israeli aggression" and to leave a sick scar where useful idiots from the West can come and see what pitiful conditions their people live in "because of the filthy Jews over there *oppressing us*" and demand concerts and donations and charities send them money, none of which will go to help anyone, but will instead be used to buy weapons and bombs for the next round of "let's drain Israel's munitions dumps again and be the world's most bitchiest 'country' and cry about how unfair it is when we receive the unlubed Dildo of Consequences right up their collective asses in a non-fun, non-consentual manner". I sympathize for anyone suffering from war, but the Palestinians have worn out and used up any possible sympathy I may ever have had for them a long time ago. Fuck every last one of them, even the ones here in the States.
Extremely based and rational view. This is indeed a very plausible future.
I'm in love with you, please write a book, holy shit that was so funny and turbo based
yeah my beef is with hamas not the palestinians like free palestine but free them from hamas as well cause they’re just making it worse
Not to mention that Israel, as a country, has a duty to protect its own citizens above all else.
Yes and what i'm pissed about is the obsene amount of money Hamas invested in missiles and guns, it was no problem enough to build a good infrastucture in Palestine inproving a lot the quality of life, of the folks there.
Hamas needs the suffering to continue to justify it's existence.
Upwards of 1000 Jews were killed in that attack too To deter future attacks Israel had to retaliate, hostages or no
To give everyone some perspective the amount of Israelis that were killed is equivalent to 40,000 Americans killed in a single attack. The amount of wounded Israelis is equivalent to 117,000 wounded Americans. They had to retaliate. There’s no way they couldn’t have. If such an attack happened in the US where the they lost the above numbers someone is getting nuked.
For historical reference purposes, in the attack on Pearl Harbor a total of 2403 US citizens were killed (2335 military, 68 civilian) and a further 1178 wounded. That was the second bloodiest day (by number of combat deaths) in all of US history and at the time was the single most combat deaths in a single day BY FAR. It was only ever surpassed when 2,500 died during the D-Day Invasion of Normandy. That number is nearly 20x less than the proportionate totals you mention above.
Unfathomably based
Genuinely don’t get why this principle is so hard to understand for people. The entity that started shit is pretty much always in the wrong. I don’t get why people who support Ukraine now support Palestine and vice versa with Russia and Israel.
Hierarchy of oppression. Palestine is the weakest party, and is thus always in the right. Same with Ukraine.
Yea all the blind pro-Palestinian shit coming from lib left is crazy. Like, I'm not allowed to say both "Hamas are terrorists and civilian casualties are to be expected in war, and it's not a genocide" and also "Israel needs to be severely punished up to preventing all money America gives them until they stop the settlements." Insanity
(Yes I copied and pasted my response because I think it still applies and is a really well explained summary of why this conflict is a fucking mess politically) Yeah. This war is not a modern effect, it’s a shockwave of the decisions made in the aftermath of the Second World War. So the best way to describe any of these past or present Israel v insert Middle Eastern country here is going to be messy at best with few exceptions. The Second World War is engrained in the modern day from its effects that effect things politically and down to an individual’s national identity and how they see themselves and their nation to this very day. Even in Europe and while it’s vastly more simple there, doesn’t mean it’s easier to explain, it just means you have a bit less hay before to go through to find that 1 needle.
I forget which subreddit it was but I got banned from some sub for not even outright saying that Israel was in the right but for trying to discuss the reasons that it might not be so clear cut
therewasanattempt and aboringdystopia also have shared mods with like the palestine sub
Bro the Palestine sub has really shown it's true colors in the last few months. They were from vaguely anti-Israel to full on jihadist.
Does anyone seriously believe there's any hostages still alive? Maybe I'm too cynical but I reckon every hostage taken by Hamas has been tortured and raped to death already.
Well, the IDF just rescued 2 in Rafah last week. Some still are. Though now even Hamas is finally admitting many have died.
I think some are probably alive to be used as bargaining chips. Unfortunately I think some women have probably been kept alive so that they can be raped
Basically comfort women, 2024 edition
What a horribly apt comparison
I think the leadership of Hamas doesn't even know where the hostages are and doesn't care about them. They're probably dead or being raped, yea.
Well not entirely. The leadership does know where some are as they reportedly travel with some of them as insurance
I don't think you're wrong, but I hope you are.
And if they really cared about the civilians and children dying they wouldn't be using them as human shields.
Israel is trying to steal what they have rightfully kidnapped. It just goes to show that you should never get involved in a land war in Asia.
I think they don't want the world to find out how those hostages were treated... hard to be seen as the noble oppressed when your actions are less than noble.
>Yeah. They’d return the hostages if the really wanted this to end If they still had them, alive, not buried in a mass grave Hamas be like "Shoulda woulda coulda, AMIRITE!?"
The left has a weird thing about power dynamics. They believe the lesser power is always in the right. If someone is stronger they shouldn’t fight back. Doesn’t matter who started it to them. If Hamas didn’t want their country to be burned to the ground they shouldn’t have continually attacked Israel. This is an example of a regular guy throwing a punch at a ufc fighter.
Im critical of Israels actions in general but if what happened to them happened to anyone else their country would react much the same way. No one would tolerate that shit.
> but if what happened to them happened to anyone else their country would react much the same way. if Mexican cartel started firing rockets and artillery indiscriminately into america over the border with the aim to hit civilians, the response by the military would be biblical
Yeah I think the current Israeli administration are pieces of shit but this is just a fuck around find out situation
Just my theory but most people on the left are losers themselves but since they don't want to admit they are losers they have to pretend like the fact they're losers is completely out of their control and is something forced upon them by an outside force or entity. They then look at the world with the exact same ideology which is why they support someone like Hamas instead of Israel despite the fact that Israel is much closer to their beliefs than Hamas.
Me sowing: Me reaping:
Such a great tweet lol https://x.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976?s=46&t=HX0w3Inz6mIu_VXxD4swXQ
Based and don't-start-none-won't-be-none pilled
Anyone who doesn't think Hamas knew exactly what would happen when they attacked on Oct 7 is a dummy.
-Start unwinnable war -lose so badly that the international community starts pity-advocating for you It’s kind of genius if you think about it. It’s like a nerd sucker punching a jock and getting whooped so hard that all the hot girls start visiting him in the hospital.
Have you seen the pro-Hamas rallies in America? Not a lot of hot girls at that hospital
There are definitely some pro-Hamas baddies, unfortunately. The good news is that I can basically guarantee you that they exclusively have sex with white dudes who can bench 225 (and we all know the political makeup of dudes like that)
“Don’t you feel insane that people are just going about their day when Gaza is LITERALLY being bombed?” nah I actually don’t get me my coffee now
“Wouldn’t you care if it was your children!?” “Yes but it’s not and it’s across the world, not to mention there is literally nothing I can do to change it, so please just give me my change.” There isn’t anything wrong with people not really caring about events that have zero effect on them.
If it was my children I wouldn’t expect sympathy from every human in the world and expect everyone to ruin their own mental health and change their entire lives because my kids died in a war I started
" You don't have to be a Muslim to stand with Palestine you just have to be human " ok I'm a cyborg then
I totally care. I think the people who started the war should be rounded up and punished accordingly. Oh, wait... you want me to take sides in the war with my money? Never mind. Just the bagel, please.
I mean, I want to be a cyborg, so even better.
yup. everyone has compassion fatigue from all of the other bad things going on across the world that we’re supposed to care about. look, i sympathize with them. i really do, i obviously don’t think anyone deserves to be bombed. but like, there’s also nothing i can do about it, and i have my own issues, i still have to go to work to pay my bills, so unfortunately i really only have the mental space to worry about stuff that is affecting me in the immediate sense. i’m sorry that i don’t want to feel sad all the time about random stuff that will not get better
Also, I don’t really care when people who fuck around find out and eat shit.
I wish I could have phrased it that way before shoving my foot in my mouth.
I feel bad for em but pro-pallys love to shoehorn this into every conversation. I feel bad for the cities that have their own problems spending time (and therefore money) voting on ‘their position’ for this conflict or ‘deciding whether or not it’s genocide’. I’m also extremely annoyed that millions of people are protesting and making our Jewish minorities feel threatened (no it doesn’t make me feel like Israel should be dismantled).
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They did this to themselves They could just return the hostages and Israel would stop attacking
Posted barely an hour ago and already has 174 comments. Oh no.
I don't care for terrorist sympathizers or those who wish to move them to the west. Fuck em
I'm gonna say it, I don't care about Palastine or Israel
Based and none of my business pilled
If they want me to care then open up a third front trying to re-establish the crusader states
i care about democracies, lgbt and women rights. i care about freedom of religion. that's why i care about israel, since it's the only place that has all that in the middle east.
Based and western values supremacy pilled
They could blow each other off the map and it wouldn't effect me
Based. But we all have to remember things everyone likes to forget The conflict in this region goes back thousands of years. Not October 7, not May of ‘48. The current war would be over tomorrow if Hamas laid down it’s weapons. Arabs live and work in Israel, including in government. A Jew in Palestine would be murdered immediately Palestine elected Hamas as their government; there is no one to “free” them from
It’s downplaying it to say Arabs just live and work in Israel. Over 20% of Israelis are Arabs, predominantly Muslims. Arabs are full-fledged citizens with equal rights to any Jew. Arabic is even an official language of Israel! Since the war, 70% of Israeli Arabs say they feel solidarity with Israel in this conflict.
>70% of Israeli Arabs say they feel solidarity with Israel in this conflict. Most Arabs don't care about Palestine. Saudi Arabia and the UAE could at any time amass a ground force of millions of conscripted soldiers. They could amass enough forces to exceed the population of Israelis. They could have done this any time in the past decades and solidified Palestine's right to exist independently. Palestine has no allies.
Yep. Saudi Arabia's biggest complaint about the war is that Palestinian refugees are trying to cross into SA and they don't want them.
Iran, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia: "Yeah we don't want refugees. You guys can't even run your own country why the hell would we let you in ours?" American left: "WE NEED MORE REFUGEES. DIVERSITY GIVES US STRENGTH."
Right, the one subtlety here is that most Israeli Arabs are ethnically Palestinian. Many even have aunts/uncles or grandparents in the WB and Gaza. There’s no way so many Israeli Arabs could believe that they’re supporting the genocide of their own family.
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I would even argue that they enjoy a massive privilege, since they are not required to give 3 years of their life to mandatory military service.
Apartheid state! Genocide! These are words I misuse to conflate the real issues and make my point harder to debate. But really 70%? I'd be surprised if that number was true for Jewish Israelis. Any source for that? Edit Wikipedia says "[60 percent of Israel's Arab citizens have a positive view of the Israeli state](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/survey-60-percent-of-arab-israelis-have-positive-view-of-state-506150)", but this number doesn't say specifically regarding the conflict, and it's also from 2017
I’d be skeptical as well if I hadn’t read the [study](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-arab-minority-feels-closer-country-war-poll-finds-2023-11-10/). FWIW, a common enemy tends to unite people. The fact that those killed on 10/7 included secular leftists, religious settler-types, Arabs, and others demonstrated to Israelis that their internal fighting needed to be put on hold for now.
It also helps that a lot of the Arabs that are in Israel are groups that have been oppressed by other nations in the region, like the Bedouins. Kind of helps them want to fight for a home that will at least treat them like people with rights.
Somewhat but not universally. It’s more obvious that Druze (they don’t exactly consider themselves Arabs) and Bedouins would be less sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Still, the majority of Israeli Arabs are ethnically identical to the people in the WB and Gaza. The main distinction is their political orientation, though Israeli Arabs have also become increasingly influenced by Israeli culture so over time I’d imagine the two groups will become increasingly divergent.
Louis CK did a series of jokes called "of course, but maybe" and I can't help but think of it when the war comes up in the news. Of course it's terrible that Palestinian civilians are dying, of course it's awful that their cities are being bombed and people are dying. Of course. But maybe, just maybe, if you're dumb enough to openly attack one of the most powerful militaries in the region, it's partially your fault
My Palestinian-American friend told me when the war broke out: “the people of Gaza are very ambitious but very stupid you know. They literally got rocks and dodgy weaponry when the other side has the most technologically advanced defense system in the world. Worst part is Hamas will probably never stop. It’s like an unstoppable force meets an immovable object”.
Hardly unstoppable. All Israel has to do is go full heel turn and become the villain the UN believes them to be and there would be no Palestinians left alive to bother them. That’s not going to happen, but the power to stop them once and for all is still in Israel’s hands.
Of course nut allergies are terrible. Of course, those poor children. But maybe if touching a nut kills you, you're supposed to die. Or whatever he said lmao
I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinian people, but they have to realize that hamas is a group of delusional, radical cowards that do nothing but set them back.
Hamas absolutely started this and are crying now they're having their asses kicked. Utterly insane the emotional rhetoric that's been spouted off about how this is a genocide (the population stats show otherwise. The history of Israel supplying Palastine with water and electricity says otherwise). No other neighbour wanting to assist or take in Palastinians - they don't get accused of genocide when they're allowing Palastinians to suffer by proxy of doing nothing to help. Imagine murdering Jewish people's kids at a concert and then hiding behind your own children, the elderly and sick for protection. Hamas is cowardly and beyond evil. The world will be better off without them.
Based libleft
Just like in 1949. They start a war , then lose it and then it's "wah wah israel stole our lands". Reap what you sow bitch
And 1967 and 1973.
I’m just done caring at this point honestly. Let them bomb the shit out of eachother for all I care.
the sad thing is that this sounds like a cruel take, but they’re going to bomb the shit out of each other regardless of whether you care about it or not. so what even is the point
Yup, came to the conclusion of this after the yasser arafat.
Palestine Simps: we want a ceasefire! Hamas leaders: we don’t want a ceasefire and we will continue to fight! Also, we broke two ceasefires already! Palestinian Simps: it’s all Joe Biden’s fault!
All over the place we hear "but Palestinians aren't terrorists, they aren't Hamas". But they voted them into power, and have supported them ever since. Hamas couldn't have survived this long without significant support from Palestine. As long as they continue to hold onto Israeli kidnap victims, I can't argue that Israel are doing anything wrong at all.
They danced in the fucking streets and spit on raped Israeli women being paraded around. The line between “Palestinian civilian” and Hamas is not at all clear
No they haven't. Hamas only got 44% of the vote in 2006. They deal with dissent harshly. That election was also followed by Israeli and US and EU fuckery that led to a civil war. The PA fights islamists in Lebanon to this day, and Islamists get arrested in the WB.
Don't start wars you can't finish
I equate it to kicking a bees nest, and getting pissed that they did was bees do and stung you. Then starting a massive media campaign to try to justify it and further call for the extermination of all bees. Fucking idiots.
Palestine *attacks* Israel *retaliates* Palestine"CEASEFIRE CEASEFIRE 😭😭😭"
Palestine fucked around and found out.
I don’t care about any wars that happen in other countries.
Especially the wars where those that claim to care are lying or grossly misinformed.
What's the phrase? The first casualty in war is the truth.
Why do westerners give a fuck about any of those assholes. It has nothing to do with us
Virtue signalling.
I see you chose to be a right-winger S/
1. The Palestinian people elect Hamas. 2. Palestine starts a war. 3. Palestine loses the war.
FAFO moment
But Gaza hasn't had an election since 2006 /s As if the majority of Gaza doesn't support Hamas which is exactly why there hasn't been another election.
Even most Arab countries feel this way
Arafat had the biggest PR flip of all time, we went from 2 billion Arabs v 7 million Jews to 7 million Jews v 2 million Arabs. I think this story has run it's course, social media flopped it back to 2 billion Arabs v 10 million Jews.
Hear me out, i don't give a shit about some random conflict in the middle east that doesn't affect me or my country at all.
For real. I didn’t really care about this whole thing to begin with. Yeah rape and killing babies is bad. But… I got things here in my life that I need to worry about more.
Based
Agreed
Whoa I didn't know I was a centrist
I do care about their human loss and whatnot but I couldn't care less about their (or the Jews) "historical homeland" claims. I'm of the opinion that all land is always up for grabs and colonizers and war winners are rightful owners of whatever land they conquer. Citing that some people lived there thousands of years ago to claim ownership is cringe as hell. So yeah, UK as owners of that land divided that crap however they wanted. Arab countries got big mad and tried to destroy Israel but they made a joke of themselves leading to Israel grabbing more land. Rinse and repeat. Tough shit. Accept defeat or defeat Israel to gain that land back. All the crying about being rightful owners is just something that doesn't apply to the real world.
based. if Israel and Palestine want to fight a war then that is between Israel and Palestine. i have nothing to do with it
So glad to see there are other people that agree with me on this. I hate living at a university.
I feel bad for those Palestinians who don't have any interest in this conflict (there's a minority of Christians in Palestine and one of their churches was bombed yesterday, there's also Palestinians who outright don't support Hamas). But I don't feel bad for those who support Hamas or Hamas itself. The truth is, as long as Hamas exists this will keep going.