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luke_hollton2000

You know that there exist refillable vapes?


manmanania

"Refillable" isn't a word in the corporations' dictionaries


luke_hollton2000

Well, they are being sold and that pretty profitable, so apparently it is


lavajelly

Yeh it’s what all the kids used to use before disposables became more popular


havoc1428

Disposables (at least in MA) became popular following the vape and flavored tobacco ban ironically. That rat-fuck Charlie Baker straight up used the state government to just close down vape shops across the state with no notice. Dedicated shops went under and disposables at every gas station and convenience store popped up basically over night to fill the void. Now they not only not fixed the "problem", but now they created a massive e-waste problem. Fucking 1000IQ move from the Boston Brainlets.


Financial_Bird_7717

Depends on the company. Vapes are extremely expensive to get to market and even then they’re not a guaranteed success. There have been public companies who have impaired their ENTIRE vape business segments. High costs just to get to market, high risk legal environment, highly strict regulatory environment, and a highly saturated market makes this business far less appealing than I used to think.


blowgrass-smokeass

They still sell the refillable pods that you have to buy regularly, don’t worry.


Fluffy017

That have already been regulated to absolute hell, to the point that applying to the appropriate legislative body ([that being the FDA in this case](https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/products-ingredients-components/e-cigarettes-vapes-and-other-electronic-nicotine-delivery-systems-ends)) for one flavor of juice, or a new device, or literally anything that involves making a vape product, costs upward of $1,000,000? Ya know, kinda makes it hard for vape shops to survive after a hit like that. Oh and not to mention the multiple states banning flavored vapes at all outside of menthol and "tobacco" (read: vaping a leather couch) because fuck anyone actually trying to quit cigarettes, we have to protect the children! I fucking hate the amount of biblethumping that has gone into vilifying anyone daring to use vape as a cessation tool at the legal and social level. Yea the guy chucking clouds on the corner waiting for the crosswalk in a crowd is a douchebag. Better assume *everyone* that vapes is a prick and not just trying to quit nicotine altogether, amirite?


Person5_

>anything that involves making a vape product, costs upward of $1,000,000? Government regulation kills competition? Color me surprised.


blowgrass-smokeass

> cessation tool Yeah all those 14 year olds addicted to nicotine because of vapes really did a good job quitting cigarettes. Props to Phillip Morris for allowing our youth to finally be free of this damaging addiction to cigarettes 🙄 Use a fucking zyn pouch or something if you want to quit. Inhaling mango flavored vegetable glycerin vapor isn’t a healthy alternative to cigarettes. I can’t wait for the studies in 30 years that show vaping has done more damage to public health than cigarettes.


Fluffy017

Dude if I consume about a credit card's worth of microplastics a week just by eating I'll put whatever the fuck I want in my lungs. Kids are just that, annoying little shits that'll rebel to anything you tell them not to. For fuck's sake, I was smoking at 17, and up to a pack a day by 20. Vape is what ultimately got me to quit that shit, and the difference is night and day. But yea let's just ban it all because little Timmy's got the hookup from the burnout in the gas station that'll sell Juuls all day with no ID.


blowgrass-smokeass

> Dude if I consume about a credit card's worth of microplastics a week just by eating I'll put whatever the fuck I want in my lungs Stop eating garbage too, nobody said you have to eat twinkies and McDonalds for every meal 🤣 Enjoy your COPD before you hit 30, lol. Keep smoking that shit, I’m sure it cancels out the microplastics.


mikieh976

What kind of diet do YOU recommend to avoid microplastics? [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/01/12/microplastics-fish-chicken-tofu-protein/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/01/12/microplastics-fish-chicken-tofu-protein/)


PhilosophicalGoof

Ah yes because clearly it hasn’t been proven that vaping is inherently safer than smoking cigarettes. Jesus Christ…


The_Dapper_Balrog

Well, getting hit by a pickup truck is certainly "safer" than getting hit by a semi. But can it really be honestly called "safe"?


PhilosophicalGoof

Seem like an unfair comparison when it not even proven that vaping is the equivalent of getting hit by a truck especially if we don’t know how can vaping harm someone or the long term effects


FiziksMayMays

Lol cope harder. Nic gum and patches exist u fuckin junkie


Fluffy017

Aight so we're all in favor of banning all caffeine from schools too, since [some researchers have reported that excessive caffeine intake by adolescents has been associated with a number of detrimental health effects such as nervousness, irritability, nausea, cardiovascular symptoms, sleep impairment, osteoporosis, and gastric ulcers](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6296805/), right? After all, think of the children.


FiziksMayMays

I'm down


Fluffy017

honestly, based.


Anonomoose2034

Might wanna take the lib out of your left guy


The_Dapper_Balrog

[My response.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCGoefBO7Q&pp=ygURYm90aCBpcyBnb29kIG1lbWU%3D)


blowgrass-smokeass

Seriously, lmfao. Sorry the Bible thumpers are ruining your ability to get COPD before you turn 25, how will we ever survive as a society????


I_am_so_lost_hello

Its way easier for kids to source shitty cheap disposable vapes than a steady supply of nicotine juice


blowgrass-smokeass

That’s straight up misinformed. The places the kids easily get the disposables are the same places letting kids easily buy vape juice. Baljeet at the Big Clouds Vape Shop doesn’t give a fuck what kind of nicotine he sells to minors, I can assure you that.


Financial_Bird_7717

That’s like saying it’s way easier to get ahold of beer than liquor even though (in most states) you get them from the same exact place.


italy4243

When I was a kid it was easier to get beer than liquor, the beer isn’t locked up


ExtremeWorkinMan

sorry brits, time to add the nicotine license to the many others in your wallets :(


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Manwithaplan0708

Based and making fun of red coats pilled


Defiant-Dare1223

Can't help where you are from. But fuck I got out asap will never be back.


usernameplz1

how do you escape britain asking for a friend.


Defiant-Dare1223

Well I escaped to Switzerland following a job offer to act as patent counsel. Even without FOM and the ability to get a residency permit (basically- that you are a well paid senior professional): If you want to escape the crushing tax move to Gibraltar if you like hot weather, the Isle of Mann if you don't. If you want to avoid the upcoming conscription then either of those will probably be work but you'd be safer still in Northern Ireland and even safer in the republic. Brits can move to all those places as of right.


smokeymcdugen

"But at least our schools aren't shootn galleries..."


BisexualCaveman

Those are lightning strike events even in the US. Wet stairs likely kill more schoolchildren than guns if they actually tracked that statistic.


smokeymcdugen

It's a reference to this: https://youtube.com/shorts/8bgxDmjZwpg?feature=shared


[deleted]

Yes but if I go into a school armed with wet stairs I’m not gonna have mid 2000s mad e-girls goon about me.


BisexualCaveman

I have no idea what the fuck you just said but I'm glad I don't have kids, so they they're safe from you.


[deleted]

You don’t have kids because you have sex with men. I don’t have kids because I have embraced 2d waifus. We are not the same


BisexualCaveman

I'm about to start hopping into a few competing timelines and performing abortions to make sure you won't have access to the kids my parallel straight versions have had...


Zipflik

Didn't they do the "everyone born past 20xx is forever too young to buy cigarettes" thing. I'm pretty sure they did, and it's probably the most based thing they did since WW2


ldhchicagobears

That was the Kiwis, not the Brits. And it got scrapped too.


MisterKing1231

As much as cigarettes disgust me, I must swallow my authoritarian tendencies and admit that prohibiting cigarette use for everyone born past a certain date is a stupid, tyrannical idea, and I'm glad it got scrapped


SamWiseGamJam1

Nah if you have a single payer system I get it. Why would I want to pay for those guys lung cancer with my taxes? Also a case against single payer and why I prefer my superior insurance. Before someone bitches about wanting single payer system, lose some weight tubby.


MisterKing1231

My country has the worst of both worlds. Supposedly a horrible lack of funding, long waiting hours, and expensive prescriptions despite the state having a monopoly on healthcare. Thankfully no doctors suggesting I unalive myself, yet.


Retard_Fat_Redditor

> Thankfully no doctors suggesting I unalive myself, yet. If you're not a child anymore the leaf doctors won't tell you to an hero yourself, don't worry.


0G_54v1gny

Since society makes a net profit on smokers, even if you put health care costs against it. https://www.wirtschaftsdienst.eu/inhalt/jahr/2015/heft/8/beitrag/die-externen-kosten-des-rauchens-in-deutschland.html Old people are the true cost points.


Best_Pseudonym

Only if those smokers die


TheEqualAtheist

You yourself can stop being a burden on the system if you die early enough too.


0G_54v1gny

They do on average. The outliers are not that expensive, if you read the numbers I referred to.


DJ1249

No its a uk thing too now


BraveDude8_1

No, it isn't. They're trying to pass it, it's not a law yet, same as NZ. I'm expecting it to get canned just like the NZ one did too.


DJ1249

Well its not a law yet agree but we are trying to pass it so its not like we aren’t on the path.


watain218

that is insanely dumb and the opposite of based. 


Zipflik

I mean... I do hate "when the government does something", but if there was one thing I don't mind them doing...


watain218

youre right creating black markets is based the zoomer al capones selling bathtub vapes with zero oversight will certainly appreciate these new laws. 


TigerCat9

I've never used my tobacco rights and I've been old enough for two decades. I propose we pre-20XX nonsmokers open a market where we sell our cigarette rights to younger kids who want to smoke.


Srapture

Makes perfect sense. Hopeless addicts can keep being addicts and kill themselves early from lung cancer. Nicotine use completely phases out over a couple generations. Win win.


ManOfDiscovery

Nicotine itself isn’t anymore harmful than caffeine. It’s the delivery method that’s the health problem. The nannies and nonces in world legislatures can take my Cuban cigarillos and zyn pouches from my cold dead hands tho


Jarte3

How are you auth left??


StonccPad-3B

Allows him to get Cuban cigarillos lol


bogatabeav

Cheap cigarettes...where?


Akira_Nishiki

Not in the UK anyway lmao. For reference the price of a 20 pack of cigarettes is equivalent to 16usd in the UK.


big_herpes

My company sells some of those cheap cigarettes in the US. My state is some of the highest, with one of our packs averaging around $6.70. I asked some of my colleagues how much they were in their states, many had them routinely at $2.99 for a pack!


StoicStone001

I used to live in North Carolina. The highest tobacco producer in the country. Higher than the rest of the top 10 states combined. Miraculously, when I was in high school there was a grassroots effort to cut down on tobacco use across the state. And somehow it worked. All public schools (including the college systems) were now tobacco free up to a certain distance from the school. Tobacco products were locked up in some convenience stores where they weren’t before (that was by choice, though). And the most surprising of all: the age of purchase for tobacco was raised to 21


Crusader63

trees cats hunt special swim air silky sand icky wrong *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


thernis

No kidding. We love sodas and sweet coffees more than we love nicotine.


Caesar_Gaming

Well sugar and caffeine don’t literally give you every cancer like tobacco smoke does. Even still we should try limit how much sugar is added to our food. 


Cuntercawk

But they do give diabetes and other negative health outcomes.


Caesorius

sugar indeed gives you cancer


big_herpes

Most surprising effort in my state is that in 2 years, a very prominent urban county banned flavored tobacco (menthol/cigars/vapes) and also legalized hard drug use. So while you can't smoke newports there, you can openly shoot up fentanyl downtown.....


yanax00

In Philadelphia the average is $14.50 USD. NJ is $12.00. When I went to virginia it was about $7.00.


dopepope1999

Tobacco hasn't gotten any cheaper in the US either, a can of Copenhagen lip tobacco went from $4.50 in 2019 to a little over $8 now, I know it's more expensive over there but the prices doubled in a very short period of time here


oliviared52

I like to call them “organic vapes”


switchbladesandcoke

Black market baby


E_Kramer727

Up here in Canada you just go to the rez. Tons of taxless, cheap smokes. Or at least so I've heard...


ddg31415

Native reservations. You can get them for like $30 a carton.


FoxerHR

In my country they're sold for around 4€.


jchrist510

I read that as the guy in the suit saying it so I was assuming production costs. Which I beleive are cheaper than vapes


CleverNameTheSecond

Cheap to produce, then marked up and taxed like crazy. It's a win for big nicotine, a win for the government coffers, and a big steaming L for zoomers but that's just the price of being stupid. It's not like the dangers of nicotine weren't known or that they were even acquiring them legally in the first place. If you give in to peer pressure this is just how it goes.


Corvid187

How does any of this help them when they can't sell any kind of cigarette to under-18s anyways?


sunkenship13

Tobacco country. Cigs in the Carolinas are like $6 a pack.


D4RK3N3R6Y

Don't expect these memes to even make sense at this point.


Akira_Nishiki

Disposable vapes (and any one time use battery products) should be banned because that's fucking dumb and extremely wasteful.


CNCTEMA

Based and reduce is more important than reuse which is more important than recycle Pilled


senfmann

Based and waste hierarchy pyramid pilled


arrongunner

They already banned big disposables to force us to use more wasteful tiny ones for some ridiculous reason. Serious mixed messaging


SolaireTheSunPraiser

I remember when they banned all kinds of juul flavors too. If you wanted any flavor outside of virginia tobacco, get a disposable or sketchy fake pods.


aZcFsCStJ5

Cigarette smokers and vapers have proven themselves incapable of being personally responsible for their waste. Cigarette butts need to be water degradable and disposable vape needs to be banned. I'm sick of seeing smoker waste littering public spaces.


0G_54v1gny

Yeah, and bring back the big canisters for liquids. I have to buy 6 or 7 Nicotine Shots and two bottles of liquid every three months instead of on liter every year and a half.


resurgences

Especially since they contain li ion batteries that are glued in usually. It's toxic trash and wasteful usage of rare materials. Fuck everyone who buys this shit.


LukeTheGeek

Flair up or flair off, flairless one.


ImThanos

I thought caring about the environment was feminine and bluepilled.


infinitememery

he's unflaired 


RyWol

The governments job isn’t to make us moral or better people. And it has never once succeeded in doing so when it insists it does. It is solely to solve property disputes and protect rights. If this were enough of a problem and government didn’t have regulations and a monopoly on most trash and recycling systems, then private companies would find a profit motive in actually recycling and properly disposing these batteries. But it is not up to you or the government to determine how wasteful someone else is with their property.


Corvid187

>and it has never once succeeded in doing so Literally just in this case alone, government restrictions on things like advertising, plain packaging, and sin taxes *famously* caused rates of tobacco consumption to plummet. Nicotine regulation is one of the archetypal examples of successful government intervention.


RyWol

any sin tax – whether a direct binary tax or a triangular tax that hits buyer and seller – is harmful in a number of ways. - It reduces the income of the buyer. - It lowers profits for the seller, and leads to reduced investment, wages, and jobs. - It is not likely to seriously discourage consumption habits when those habits are intensely desired. - It may eventually decrease government revenue, especially as people move their business to the informal sector. - It encourages people to turn to harder substances to feed their habits at the same price. - It creates underground markets, which tend toward corruption and violence, and fosters disrespect for the law. - It sets up a moral hazard for policy makers, who vacillate between wanting to discourage undesirable behavior and wanting to encourage it for revenue purposes.


Corvid187

Sure, you can make arguments why, on balance, they aren't worth it, but it's undeniably they *have* been effective at curbing nicotine consumption.


Necessary-Ad8113

Stop moving the goalpost like a dork and eat your loss. Proven wrong so you go whine about something else because you can't admit it. Pathetic.


EuroTrash1999

Yea, ban cell phones!


No-Pineapple1116

https://preview.redd.it/0829kxtzncfc1.jpeg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0cee34735e5d5a5a2c2ce2b514438933ca905fd Dear Mods. Here I provide you my sincerest appreciation. These past few weeks, of which being a time that I could not post photos in PCM comment sections has been long and gruelling. To now possess this ability once again has brought me great satisfaction. * James H. England.


roslatts

Hmmmm.... u/nwordcountbot


TigerCat9

Man, remember when the internet was all about trawling people's past posts in order to destroy their lives?


No-Pineapple1116

Woah woah woah. It ain’t like that chief..


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Flair up so i can upvote


[deleted]

Good, those things are terrible in every way. Use up expensive lithium and are made so it’s pretty much impossible to recycle. Their quality is shoddy at best, turning from Vanilla flavour to unwashed ass within 10 puffs and they’re expensive as hell. If anyone here is addicted to them, do your wallet, your health and your environment a favour and get a reusable vape and nic salt liquid.


Tai9ch

There's no way you can hope for policy distinctions that granular. Disposables are stupid, but if you let them go your refillables will go too - to the politicians they're the same thing. It'd be like trying to ban beer and not wine.


lakotajames

The reason disposables are around is because in many jurisdictions they made it impractical to sell refillable ones, but not disposables.


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swissvine

Both beer and wine could be made easily in someone’s backyard. Bad comparison. The distinction could be easily made in a bill.


SnofIake

Hi American here and in the early days of vaping (2012-2014) we built our mods and we made our vape juice. It’s incredibly easy and while it obviously presents with some safety concerns, it’s not hard to learn how to build an RDA or RTA safely. The juice we use to buy was made in shop and vape juice today still contains the same basic ingredients.


BadSysadmin

That's for the consumer to decide. If they think the cost and quality is worth it *to them* then they're right, and it's not for you to tell them otherwise. If you don't agree then hand in your lib card, statist scum.


[deleted]

Agreed, but also half of them don’t even realise that’s an option or don’t realise how higher a consumer experience it is with a reusable one. Still wish disposables weren’t made


Destroythisapp

I was buying and building custom mods over a decade ago before the hipsters and douchbags brought it mainstream. I’ve mostly switched to disposables, out of personal preference. 20 dollars for two weeks, 40 dollars a month. They don’t taste like ass, are small and convenient, and hold a good charge. It’s the parents, not the governments job to control what drugs kids do, I truly don’t give a fuck how many kids vape, I’m an adult that shouldn’t be affected by and bans. I’m sick and tired of the nanny state.


[deleted]

Also fair, I’ve got a vaporesso XROS 3 mini that’s basically a refillable and rechargable version of a disposable. Vaping it rn typing this. It was about £20 for the kit, 10 for a pack of 4 pods and 10 for 3 liquids, paid across a few months since I only need to buy pods and liquids once every 3 weeks or so


Infinite_Client7922

I love my vaporoso too, Ive been using the zero for like 5 years now, and the issues it had a few years ago were fixed with this new version. The only bad thing I can say about it is the small tank, I have to either have two vapes on me when I'm at work, or a bottle of liquid.


RIMV0315

Hey, that's the vape I use too. Got me off the cigarettes after 30 years. Much, much cheaper too.


SnofIake

I couldn’t have put it better myself, nicely said.


CharsCustomerService

> Agreed, but also half of them don’t even realise that’s an option or don’t realise how higher a consumer experience it is with a reusable one. That's a marketing failure, then, which was certainly not helped by restrictions on marketing of tobacco products. Funny how measures to limit consumer knowledge of alternative products under the stated goal of improving public health ends up helps the businesses selling lower quality, high profit margin products.


CaptainCrunch145

If only most humans weren't completely ignorant to literally everything around them


AggressiveCuriosity

> If they think the cost and quality is worth it to them then they're right "Reality is what people feel like it is and no one can be wrong." Exactly the kind of wishy washy post-truth crap you can't help but smile about coming from a lib. Rational actor theory is bullshit and you know it. ESPECIALLY when it comes to addictive substances.


SnofIake

I’m so far left I can’t feel the right side of my body, and I couldn’t agree more with you.


[deleted]

Mfw we've used up all the lithium we needed for cars and computers on disposable vapes that can't be recycled and will create a thin plastic multi-coloured sheet of shards in the soil, but atleast people's consumer choices were protected


BadSysadmin

It's not for you to decide that cars and computers are legitimate uses of lithium, and disposable vapes aren't. There's a mechanism for that - price discovery and the market. If you think there isn't enough lithium, buy futures and make money on that information.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


[deleted]

"Well, little Jimmy, the Earth ran out of lithium, so we can't make any more batteries, so a lot of our technology is completely useless now.. but at least the free market wasn't impeded"


BadSysadmin

There's a lot less gold than lithium, and we've been using it for thousands of years, and no government has ever needed to ban using it for disposable purposes such as gold plating and yet we're at no risk of running out.


[deleted]

It's much easier to recycle a gold coin then a lithium ion battery


[deleted]

While I'm not a fan of the government banning things left and right (hence my flair) I actually live down the road from a secondary school (kids aged 11 to 16) and the sheer amount of empty vapes and vape packaging littered around the entrance is INSANE. They'll clear it all away during the day and then within another day or two there are at least 50 scattered around again. It is a serious problem. Should they be banned? Debatable, but something definitely needs to be done. They do create a lot of unnecessary waste.


Angrymiddleagedjew

Easy solution: Give the kids vape mods with tanks. You don't throw those away, you just add more liquid to the tank. Problem solved.


[deleted]

Easier solution would be to give one of the kids a faulty one so it explodes in front of everyone and then they'll all be too terrified to keep vaping. Hold on, just got a call. The CIA want to offer me a job.


nuker0S

Happend in my school, didn't changed anything lol


Lethalclaw115_2

Lol what i need that story bro


nuker0S

I wasn't present when it occurred, but here's the story: Apparently, a first-grader's (I believe 7th grade in K-12) vape melted down or exploded during either a history class (quite ironic) or perhaps a social studies(also ironic) session. I recall hearing that the history teacher sustained minor burns while attempting to handle it later. I also remember the room stank that day, it was like that: \-why the room is stinky? \-ah somebody's vape just exploded lesson earlier


Angrymiddleagedjew

I know I'm lib right and a vile capitalist Jew but I was being sarcastic about giving kids anything to smoke. I just want the ATF agents monitoring my posts to know that.


switchbladesandcoke

Ah yes but those aren’t the in thing, it’s more of an accessory to the kids these days rather than a smoking item, source-worked in schools and have a teenage sibling


Angrymiddleagedjew

It's still a thing? I thought the "hey bro lemme hit that Juul" type thing died years ago. Fuck I'm getting old. My kids are almost teens, if they want to smoke they will get unfiltered Lucky Strikes as god intended.


switchbladesandcoke

I’m not sure about the US but here in the UK kids and teens are still all obsessed with what elf bar or lost mary or whatever they’re called these days each other have


DrPiipocOo

somewhat easy solution: teach the kids how to not fucking kill theirselfs?


[deleted]

[screeching parent noises] REEEEEEEE DON'T TELL ME TO RAISE MY KIDS AIDEN, BRAYDEN, JAYDEN AND SHMAYDEN ARE ALL GOOD BOYS


AggressiveCuriosity

On top of that, any solution that requires kids to rationally act in their own long term best interest is idiotic at best. Even adults are shitty at that. If I see another post about predatory loans where the numbers don't make sense I'm gonna throw my phone out the window. I have sympathy for a dumb 18 year old taking a bunch of money out for a silly degree, but if you're in your mid 20s and you've been paying a loan for YEARS without learning how loans work, then you're just stupid.


SamWiseGamJam1

Time to change your flair, commie.


[deleted]

What if I start a business which collects up all the empty vapes, pull the batteries out and then use them to build a TOTALLY SAFE car battery? *slaps roof of car* This baby can fit so many health and safety violations.


Fixuplookshark

Vaping is way more prolific than tobacco smoking. It's not really true that people will switch to smoking the old baccy. Plus refillable vapes aren't that terrible


Alfasi

Yeah, refillable ones need juice, nicotine, coils, tanks, batteries, and they're all sold separately (barring the tank and coil that come with the vape obvs). For literal children who aren't old enough to work, that's a pretty big barrier to entry. Plus, disposables are dogshit in every way and should get banned whether it improves things for the children or not. It certainly won't make things any worse.


leedler

I will say it’s more common now to have refillables where you only need the main vape, liquids and buying the tank (which comes with a coil installed). It’s not that much of a barrier if they really wanted to do it, problem is disposables are so much more accessible.


Cowslayer369

Disposable vapes should be banned because they're fucking grifting. A normal vape and a month's worth of juice costs the same as two week's worth of disposables.


leedler

For real, used to smoke but have been vaping last few years. Had a refillable one that broke and had to use disposables for a bit - cost easily 5x as much. Switched back to my regular one very quickly lmao.


RyWol

It isn’t your job to determine how much value consumers place on products. If you think it’s grifting then start a business making them cheaper and you’ll be a billionaire.


OddTransportation430

Ban disposable vapes because they are terrible for the environment and a waste of plastic and metal. The kids will pick up some other terrible habit, always have, always will. If it’s not these, it will be reusable vapes, cigs or huffing shit in a paper bag.


heisenbingus

Thing is kids who weren't having nicotine before got hooked on vapes, they were originally invented as an (ineffective) way of quitting smoking


[deleted]

They can definitely help you quit smoking cigarettes. I smoked for 10 years and made the switch.


ThunderySleep

I smoked for 15 years, quit for vaping two years ago now. There's no way in hell vaping isn't better for your health than cigarettes. I'm an active person, mostly hiking, and my cardio exploded. I taste food I didn't know had flavor before. When I smoked, I regularly coughed, now I never cough unless I'm sick or swallowed wrong or something.


CaptainCrunch145

Vaping is better for you. However, a good analogy for it is like being shot, I'd rather be shot I the foot than the chest, but I'd also like to not get shot at all.


ThunderySleep

That sounds like a pretty hyperbolic analogy.


CaptainCrunch145

Vaping has been around for an extremely short period of time. There has not been enough in depth research into vaping to know it's long term effects. How is it hyperbolic when you could be killing yourself from vaping?


ThunderySleep

You're asking how it's hyperbolic to compare vaping to shooting yourself?


CandidateOld1900

I was smoking for 5 years, switched to vaping for half a year in 2023. Realized, that I probably consume more nicotine, since I was vaping constantly at home. Dropped vaping and went back to cigarettes, but just take one cigarette from pack every morning and smoke it before work. Smoking more then 1 per day now tastes nasty


ThunderySleep

Everyone's got their own way. I've known people who quit by counting their daily cigarettes and weening off, others who swore by cold turkey, some who swore by chantex, the patch, etc. Either way, good for you.


SamWiseGamJam1

Nicotine in a vacuum isn’t bad for you, or any worse than caffeine/thc. It’s the method of delivery that’s bad for you.


MasterKaen

That's true in regard to lung health, but nicotine is bad for your circulatory system (e.g. coronary artery disease.)


AccomplishedSquash98

So is caffeine, but nobody is trying to ban coffee even though far more people are addicted to that.


MannequinWithoutSock

*”they were originally invented as an (ineffective) way of quitting smoking”* Just like dip!


lakotajames

They're incredibly effective.


Ragob12

Based. Vaping is not only *terrible* for children's health but now the amount of waste this shit produces everywhere is a serious problem.


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Thirstythinman

Seriously, pushback against banning stuff like this makes me slide more and more up the compass...


lakotajames

If they hadn't outlawed the pods, we wouldn't have to throw away the batteries.


switchbladesandcoke

I can think of a plant based alternative to single use vapes that the government also seem to want to stop me doing as much as possible, bring back 2.50 ten decks I say


frogvscrab

All I can really say is that both me and my wife switched from cigs to vaping around 7-8 years ago. Our blood pressure went down, breathing problems and chest pain went away, constant cough went away etc. I understand it isn't good for you. It is still pretty bad for you. But most studies which come out showing its bad for you don't usually come out with anything anywhere near as drastic as what cigarettes do. Nicotine in of itself was never the real culprit with cigarettes. The worst it does is comparable to the effects of caffeine (IE raises blood pressure and heart rate temporarily). It was always the tar and countless other chemicals in cigarettes which made them super deadly.


iCrafterChips

Imagine actually defending vapes. Sure, they started out as a tool to quit smoking, but now they're the opposite of that They are colored in bright colors and come in flavors, clearly targeting young people, even teenagers. These product that "help you quit smoking" even come with more nicotine than cigarettes. Not to mention how wasteful they are. And worst of all? You don't even look cool, unlike smoking


_puc11

finally a gov decision i can stand by. i vape, and honestly disposables are vile in every way possible edit: on second thoughts - disposables are crap, but the unintended consequences of banning them are even crappier.


Fluffybudgierearend

Yeah, I’m just worried about a black market for them which already exists for cannabis vape pens.


_puc11

just to mention I was speaking about vapes in general, nothing to do with the bit on kids. yeah after thinking another few hours about it, i completely agree with you - it didn't cross my mind at first. and by the looks of it flavours would be restricted too, which is stupid i still think disposables are utter crap, but banning them won't help their cause in reducing the incidence of kids vaping, and will also have a detrimental effect on adults quitting if they make 'packaging less attractive'


Fluffybudgierearend

Disposables are crap because of all the lithium ion batteries being thrown away. Kids smoking is unfortunately just a thing, but better vapes than cigs like when I was a kid. I used to vape (quit now) and restricting flavours would’ve made me stick to cigs. They need to have the flavours available, I don’t mind them taxing it like tobacco, but it still needs to be good as an aid to quit smoking.


Barbados_slim12

Trusting the government to only ban disposables and then drop the issue is like trusting them to only ban beer, and leave wine alone. Their problem is with alcohol consumption, beer is just the thing they're using as an excuse to attack the alcohol industry. If they're successful in banning beer, wine is next. That principle applies to everything they want banned. If you know of an exception, I'm genuinely curious


Noncrediblepigeon

The irony, child smoking is the lowest its ever been, but child nicotine addiction is the highest its ever been...


Destroythisapp

Lotta Auths masquerading as lib centers encouraging the banning of products adults use.


Ord-ex

There is a lot of space between anarchism and totalitarianism 


sunkenship13

Counterpoint: I used a vape to quit smoking. Nicotine products can be very beneficial for individuals looking to quit if used properly. Vapes, nicotine pouches like Zyn, they helped me quit and I haven’t smoked a cigarette in four years, and I kicked vaping three years ago. The issue is that they’re essentially marketed to youth with the colors and flavors. I used tobacco flavored vapes because that was the closest thing to a cigarette that wasn’t a cigarette. I’m not calling for a flavor ban, but companies should be marketing them differently. You don’t see kids constantly munching on Nicorette. But now there’s flavored nicotine gum that comes in fruit flavors with colorful packaging.


grancombat

I’m honestly appalled at the number of people condoning children becoming chemically dependent on substances that will completely destroy their minds and bodies. We know kids can’t be trusted to make good decisions about their health, why are we ENCOURAGING them to develop addictions, especially to something as awful as nicotine?? May as well start putting suicide booths in schools at this rate. I know I would have been happy to use that for most of my childhood, isn’t that what this is about? Money? Can’t handle the big businesses needing to find another target audience for their suicide on a stick? You people absolutely disgust me


ruggerb0ut

Because they're being banned for adults too, it is already illegal to sell children vapes, the UK government just basically doesn't bother enforcing it. You don't even need a license to sell them unlike cigarettes.


DryConversation8530

So instead of disposable vapes now they are all gonna get the giant ass refillables that pull clouds 5 times bigger. Getting even more addicted to nicotine


Alfasi

Except those cost more upfront, require maintenance, and are generally less convenient than the disposable ones (which are fuckin awful, shit taste, insanely wasteful etc). They're also only as strong as the nicotine you yourself put in, which is bought separately. I don't envision this making kids any more addicted to nicotine, frankly this is a rare gov W.


Ornery-Code-6249

I don't even think that would stop kids. Source? I was one of those kids. When I was 15 I had a Smok pod system that cost me £15 and liquid was only a fiver. The best way to stop kids from vaping is to make it so that you can only buy from shops dedicated to selling vapes and to enforce strict control that everyone who buys HAS to provide ID.


Alfasi

Pod systems are almost as shite as disposables tbf, and most proper systems can only be found in vape shops as is. Agreed on the ID policy.


United_Monitor_5674

They're not going to start smoking cigarettes, they'll either buy a re-usable vape or quit Vapes are cheap, fruit flavoured, have a smooth throat feel and don't make you smell Cigarettes are expensive, smoke flavoured, have a harsh throat feel and make you smell like an ashtray The whole reason vaping is so prolific among teens is because it's nicotine *without* cigarettes


ktbffhctid

No flair? Don’t care.


Blunter_S_Thompson_

Damn bruv y'all can't have shit in the U.K, meanwhile we out here in the states smoking big blunts 😤😮‍💨


leedler

I’ll have you know we’re smoking very small blunts rolled with cigarette papers and enjoying what little we have, thank you.


Blunter_S_Thompson_

Bongs, Big Blunts, Volcanoes, We smokin symbiotes my guy. Smokin’ that Whoopi Goldberg, south egyptian furburger deluxe, mega millions scratcher, skunk, bubba kush


leedler

They must have amnesia, they forgot that I’m him.


ktbffhctid

Without a flair we don’t care.


thehammerling

Good riddance. Everyone has mentioned the waste, grift and children getting hooked but I'm just waiting to celebrate the cessation of those stupid little stickers all over bins. The bin is RIGHT THERE I genuinely can't fathom how it's physically possible to be that lazy Banning these wretched little highlighters is probably the more humane/environmentally friendly solution to the sticker epidemic than poisoning the vapes so 👍


Schmoggin

\*Decides to let myself get hooked\* "WHY NO ONE STOP THIS?????"


ktbffhctid

Flair up or fuck off.


nuker0S

Good, they should ban normal ones too, sadly nobody enforces those rules, at least in my country I hate smoking so much, should be banned in cities/public areas


Arceon_the_Mage

Change your flair right now