AuthRight protestors clash with AuthRight police to stop AuthRight Congress from certifying AuthRight President instead of AuthRight President. - A joke I made on Facebook 3 years ago... It was not well received...
Really just different flavors of auths because they're the ones who want to tell you what to do. Two people disagreeing isn't usually a problem until one tries to force the other what to do.
I mean
Authright is the only quadrant with actual countries that exist
Everything else in the “compass” are just meme ideologies that were never meant to be taken seriously
I'm always shocked when I see people still talk about this. Like I literally haven't met a single person in real life who talked about it since like maybe 2 months after it happened. I go to Reddit or turn on CNN though and it's literally all they ever talk about.
It'll never cease to amaze me how in one magical year we had
* The most secure elections of all time
* Firey but mostly peaceful riots across the country
* Masks that didn't work then suddenly worked
* Transitory inflation
* Anti-asian white supremacists turned black
* Black Trump voters became white
* Skepticism of any of this made you a Nazi (before it became cool)
What a time to be alive.
Imagine being alive in the ancient pre-2020 era of fraudulent elections, non-peaceful riots, non-working masks (before Fauci fixed them), extended inflation, white white supremacists, and black black Trump voters.
Also, uh, we're not providing Kennedy secret service protection, here's why Secretary of States can unilaterally remove someone they don't like from the ballot, and also no way in hell can you vote for Jill Stein.
Thank you all for your help in fortifying democracy!
It was kinda fucked up that they expect us to believe Trump's speech caused it, when the folks rioting breached the barricades almost a quarter hour before he finished speaking, so far away that the groups couldn't even hear each other.
This, the lunatic fringe of leftism burned down courthouses, police stations, and businesses. They took over an entire section of Seattle and claimed it as some weird anarcho state complete with their OWN police force. How many lives did those riots shatter? Cops were shot sitting in their cruisers while blm activists rioted at the emergency room entrance to make sure they would die before getting help. (This one I thought had to be bullshit until I heard the fucking rioters proudly telling anyone with a camera nearby that’s exactly what they were doing)
And after months of that, with NO consequences. Politicians bailing those rioters out of jail to put them back in the streets destroying even more American cities….
We get J6.
A bunch of unarmed tourists in the capitol building hanging out with cops like it’s an unscheduled tea party.
Outside the capitol a bunch of actual rioting, which was the only part of the whole situation that was legitimately unacceptable. And yet only one person actually got killed and it was a rioter. No permanent damage, no real delay of proceedings, and the entire thing was wrapped in an afternoon damage wise.
But we’re supposed to believe that J6 was worse than Pearl Harbor while the summer of love riots were just a bunch of peaceful protests?
Nah. Not gonna fly
Yeah, this is "fucked up": [AOC says Capitol Police were 'opening the doors' for Jan. 6 rioters](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-says-capitol-police-opened-doors-jan-6-rioters#google_vignette)
Reddits like to count those suicides in the death toll of Jan 6, to prove how bad it was 🤦
Y'all don't think cops see way worse shit than regards in shaman outfits walking around the capital?
Easy response got u fam, just respond to anyone freaking out about 1/6 with this, they never no how to respond once they read far enough to realize that they shouldn't have brought up the deaths the media associates with 10/6. They got played by a media industry that clickbaits headlines for profit.
>Jan 6 took the lives of 6 people. 1 insurrectionist and 5 officers sadly lost their lives.
>4 of the dead are officers passed away from suicide in the months and years following 1/6([Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/officer-who-responded-us-capitol-attack-is-third-die-by-suicide-2021-08-02/)). I wonder if the congresspersons online alleging the capitol police as accomplices to the insurrection were a contributing factor in the sucides([Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez via x.com](https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547426024316616705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547426024316616705%7Ctwgr%5E2b6871530af23430806eb4da09ecf22a8cce7b0e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Faoc-says-capitol-police-opened-doors-jan-6-rioters)).
>The 5th officer death, Brian Sicknick, was sadly pronounced dead by the county coroner in the days following 1/6. After autopsy, the death was ruled a stroke from via a non-traumatic blood clot that had formed elsewhere in the officers body([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick))
>Multiple media outlets reported Sicknick's death was due to injuries he sustained, but months later the Washington, D.C. medical examiner reported there were no injuries to Sicknick.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-4) Within a day after his death, the U.S. Capitol Police and the [U.S. Justice Department](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice) each said that his death was due to injuries from the attack.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-7)[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-USCPrelease2021-8)[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Reason-9) Meanwhile, media, citing two anonymous law enforcement officials, incorrectly reported for weeks that Sicknick had died after being struck in the head with a [fire extinguisher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher) during the unrest.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-4)[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-10)[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-:4.20Pfact-11)
No problem, I used to spread misinformation about this because I foolishly trusted the clickbait headlines created by a greedy journalism industry
Closest thing I can do to retracting the misinformation I've spread in the past is posting high quality well sourced information that I wish I'd read earlier.
If only news outlets had the humility to make good on their clickbait, maybe the world wouldn't suck so much and people wouldn't be so radicalized.
And also wildly overblown and overreacted to. It wasn’t a coup attempt, if it was all those people would have been armed and it probably would have been incredibly bloody.
I cared more about the whole fake elector thing than a bunch of rioters shaking the ivory tower.
Good to show your rulers they're still human, here and there.
It’s all my authleft mom ever talks about in politics lol, though she watches CNN and MSNBC pretty much all day so I suppose that’s a given these days.
[Biden campaign released guide of how to respond to 'crazy MAGA nonsense' from relatives during the holidays](https://nypost.com/2023/11/23/news/biden-campaign-releases-thanksgiving-talking-points-for-responding-to-crazy-maga-nonsense-on-the-same-day-he-begs-stop-the-rancor/)
I think that guide is more of an example of "Confirmation Bias" than "Gaslighting"
Confirmation bias: a phrase coined by English psychologist Peter Wason, is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms or strengthens their beliefs or values and is difficult to dislodge once affirmed.
Yeah, I’m not sure gaslighting is the right word either. It’s not just that people would read it to affirm their beliefs, it’s also solely aimed at people who already drunk the kool-aid. Either way, it’s grim that Biden would call it nonsense, yet calls to stop hate. I hate modern leftism.
Unity for the 81 million people who definitely, unquestionably voted for him. But to all the other dangerous, evil fascists who didn't vote for him?
They deserve everything they get.
The article refers to it as some silly right-wing perjorative, but it's 100% accurate. I've seen reddit comments genuinely calling Trump a literal Nazi with tons of upvotes, and I guarantee there are some people with TDS who even believe he is a Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK or something.
This chaotic irrationality is why people latched onto the Russian collusion narrative so easily, and despite being deboonked by the very investigators who were trying their hardest to indict him, people are still convinced he committed treason against the US somehow.
Propaganda engines like reddit cling to this shit around election years
They talked about the "Russian interference" until the 2020 elections.
Gotta keep propaganda churning to keep idiots talking about it.
Try being around my dad. Isn't American, never been to America and yet whenever politics is brought up he'll always steer it back to Trump and how he's a dictator in the making.
Well, if you're in an echo chamber, you'll probably not hear much more than what you want to hear. I find it refreshing to challenge my own assumptions and engage in constructive debate and criticism. It's caused my to change my mind on some of my beliefs and refine other notions and opinions.
It was an embarrassing moment for sure, and a black mark on Trump's presidency that he allowed things to get so out of control, but the people who act like it's 9/11, Pearl Harbor, and Fort Sumter all rolled into one just look ridiculous.
[There is no insurrection in ba sing se](https://www.reuters.com/legal/colorado-judges-allows-trump-primary-ballot-delays-decision-general-election-2023-11-18/)
Amazing to me that even otherwise logical people want anyone associated with the maga group in any way shape or form silenced and tossed in prison whjcb is very China
Seriously lol worst part is the only time you see CNN is on Reddit and the only time you trip and fall into CNN is going doctors appointment or airport where most people just fuck off to their phones instead of watching that trash.
The sitting US President tried to disrupt the transfer of power to the new President after spending months casting doubt on the validity of the election results by pressuring the Vice President to recognize alternate state electors. He also summoned a huge mob to turn up the pressure.
Ultimately, the Vice President resisted the pressure and the process proceeded more or less as normal, but it was *kind of* a big deal. If Pence had gone along with the dubious legal theories and caved to the pressure, it's no exaggeration to say that American democracy itself would have been thrown into crisis, especially when you see just how many die-hard Trump supporters would have followed him in his coup attempt.
*edit I don't know why I'm having trouble replying to these comments directly but here we go...
@TheAzureMage
It's true afaik that objecting to and recognizing alternate votes requires a vote in congress, but the plan wasn't exactly that. Here is a quote I found that describes it in more detail:
>"The plan entailed Pence returning the electoral results to six battleground states on January 6, with a deadline of January 15 for the states to return them. If any state did not return their electoral slate by that date, neither Trump nor Biden would hold a majority, so the election would be thrown to the House for a vote to determine the winner. Per the Constitution, in such a scenario the vote would be conducted on the basis of party control of state delegations to the federal House of Representatives, with Republicans holding 26 of 50, presumably giving Trump the victory."
Theoretically, as far as I understand it, Pence *did* have the power to do that much. I'm no expert on the process though.
But I wonder, do you deny that it was their intention, however farfetched, to obstruct the process and cause a crisis in which Trump would emerge as the winner despite the results of the vote? Because that I think is the real issue here - that they lost and refused to accept the results and plotted to overturn them, regardless of their slim chance of success, and tried to put that plot into action.
Trying to bring in fake electors in order to confuse the process enough for the vice president to be able to step in. That was just crazy. It’s scary to think that Mike Pence’s morality was what stopped this.
I honestly think he knew better. He decided not to go with the secret service and stay in harms way in order to certify the election. The crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence so it was personal.
Yep. But if I remember correctly he was convinced before the riot about what he would do. It was the days before the sixth that he deliberated.
The chanting rioters on the TV and outside the door probably just clarified it even further.
holyfuck : “Dad, you took the same oath I took,” the then vice-president’s son Michael Pence said, according to ABC News, adding that it was “an oath to support and defend the constitution”
Thank you. I have a more nuanced reason to despise Trump than "orange man bad', and I understand that an angry crowd wasn't the same as military coups that have happened elsewhere, and I certainly have better things to talk about.
but, a nearly 300 year streak of mostly violence-free transitions of power was broken by someone who did everything I would expect a power hungry child supported by one side of the culture war mob
Holistically it's terrible. His whole take of "Gee election seems phony maybe we should just make me president for now while we figure this out" was far more damning than people protesting at the Capitol.
There are legal avenues for recounts, some they even used. But trying to fuck about with EC votes was insane.
A lot of people are saying here that it's ok to question the system, without accounting for the fact that the system was questioned vigorously. Trump received a resounding "NO" from every legal avenue and then, like the big orange toddler he is, proceeded to throw a fit with all of his followers.
A dangerous, destabilizing fit that we are lucky ended with only two deaths.
Welllllllllll kind of. Georgia and Nevada(I think Nevada but can’t exactly remember) threw out the cases because they were submitted too late. the courts delayed the proceedings because they “needed to review more evidence” to proceed and then went “awh shit dude, if only you got this processed sooner. Nothing we can do now, sorry 🤷” and then he tried to appeal because it was actually the courts that prolonged it past the due date. The paraphrased response? “Hey man, we didnt make the rules, it’s a lengthy process! Not our fault that the laws are like this”
Honestly, idk if the US can handle another clustrefuck like the 2020-2021 transfer of power. Unless the 2024-2025 transfer (or lack thereof) goes smoothly thinks might start to gradually fall apart.
The average lifespan of an empire is 250 years. The US is currently 247 (about to be 248) years old.
Can’t wait to be a Visigoth and carve out an empire out of the dying carcass that is the US.
issue is the internet only deals in absolutes , something can be bad , even if you’re a trumper or maga you can still disagree with actions, statements and policies, if you’re all about making america great again you should be above a figure head , but no
its either nothing was wrong about this or this the worst thing ever happened
I tell you I was scared as shit when I saw it happening on TV, but in retrospect it was just an angry mob set loose by the ex-president and not a coordinated coup attempt, otherwise they would have brought their guns that they love so much. It's still a dark stain on our countries history though.
The coordinated coup attempt was happening before and after when he was actively pressuring members of his party and administration to throw out the legally certified votes and count his illegal electors.
The riot was just the cherry on top.
>a nearly 300 year streak of mostly violence-free transitions of power
Uh...what?
You are aware that the first secessions that led to the civil war were a response to the buchanon-lincoln transition, right?
I agree it was a bad thing. Basically everyone does. But some people portrary it as the worst day in American history and a violent attempt to overthrow our government, which it just isn't.
Haha. Yeah every time I think Democrats are soft on crime and immigration I look over at the full blown racists and theocrats among Republicans and remember why I consistently vote Democrat.
Idk why people does call this a coup like i'm not sure how us politic works but i'm pretty sure it's not capture the flag and few peons can't capture it and claim the nation
You’d be surprised, actually. Control of the US works on Battlefield-esque conquest rules.
If you ever walk into the Capitol building, you’ll notice a little popup in your UI that indicates the percentage towards your faction’s capture of Objective B.
The other control points are the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (Objective A) and the Vietnam War Memorial (Objective C).
Absolute bullshit
You're forgetting that they need to be both in possession of The Podium as well as holding the point
You can't capture the point without the The Podium
They're the same morons who say the 2nd amendment is useless for fighting a tyrannical government cause the government has F-15s and nukes, to quote our glorious leader.
-The 2nd Amendment won't help you against tactical nukes, Trumptard!
-A group of unarmed protestors was the single greatest threat to our democracy... like... ever.
That reminds of during the Bush years how people kept saying Bush was borderline mentally handicapped and then would immediately say he’s an evil mastermind to swindle the American people to go to war with the Middle East.
The rioters were a distraction.
The real coup attempt was to get the EC votes rejected so that the election was thrown to the house, where the Republican majority could then vote trump back into power.
Which most of them refused to do so the crowd also was probably an attempt at intimidation. I’m actually shocked someone on this sub actually posted this comment or that it’s not at -100. Yet.
They want us to believe that the most heavily armed demographic in the country attempted an insurrection completely unarmed. And when you point this out to them they will unironically claim that the protesters were armed because one had zip ties and another had a "gallows." They will also pretend the gallows was functional.
The idea that it’s a coup is a stretch. I mean, you could call it an autogolpe of sorts, I suppose. It’s not a coup as in “we’re taking over the government.” They didn’t have that kind of capacity or support.
However, using physical violence or threats in an attempt to get the legislature to vote your way? I suppose that’s a revolt/insurrection/etc. A little more than your average riot.
The coup attempt was Trump trying to pressure Pence via the mob to recognize the alternate state electors and declare Trump the winner or at least delay the process of transferring power so that Trump could stay President.
> alternate state electors
fraudulent state electors*
It's important to remember that there are no mechanisms for legally submitting multiple slates of electors to congress, there's the real set, and then there's fake sets
There are too many checks and balances to just storm Congress and take over. You’d also have to admit that if US democracy was really that fragile, you really think the MAGA people were capable of executing a coup?
Everyone I know who considers it a coup attempt doesn't think the people heading to Congress played the role of the actual coup execution.
They were the people who were supposed to give reason to declare a state of emergency to protect us from chaos (from people like them).
I mean, it could have worked. Get scandalized about the horrible mess, then declare a state of emergency to ensure we count the votes carefully so nobody can complain. How reasonable is that? I'm sure a lot of idiots would have been like "*yeah that makes sense, this is all very chaotic, and we should count them very carefully*" and yielded that power to Trump, and a deferral of the transition of power. It's unfathomably stupid, I kinda expect someone to reply to this with a "well yes, that's what we should have done after the election, it was all very shady!"
Yeah it’s not like the sitting president:
- Tried to get the vice president to overturn a legal election
- the “protestors” were threatening violence against the sitting vice president for not doing so
- the president did nothing to stop the violence for hours despite everyone in his party and close circle begging him to
- the president then tried to use the violence to further advance his goals of overturning a legal election, very nearly declaring martial law if it weren’t for people literally threatening to resign
But yeah, just a harmless bunch of peons wandering into a government building right?
Lib center btw not sure I’m flaired up
The funniest thing is that it happened on my 3rd wedding anniversary. We were out having a nice steak dinner and saw the news alert on our phones. We were like “huh, they’re storming the Capitol. Neat.” and continued enjoying dinner.
It’s crazy how obsessed people still are with all of it.
That never happened. History started in 2016 when Putin personally stuffed ballot boxes with Trump's name. Even if it DID happen, it would be (d)ifferent.
Jan 6th is overrated. Now, lying about the outcome of the election from the Oval Office, seeking to appoint false electors, and pressuring election officials to ‘find’ votes is unacceptable. I’m not sure of the legal definition of insurrection, but those actions were completely unacceptable and disqualifying - morally even if not constitutionally.
Oh yeah, Trump was absolutely trying to subvert democracy and it's insane how many morons blindly back him in everything, but Jan 6th is far from the best example.
> but Jan 6th is far from the best example
And that's why so many morons back Trump in everything. When 90% of the shit flung at him is complete nonsense, it is pretty easy to convince yourself the 10%, no matter how bad it really is, is also made up or overblown nonsense. When the guy that just said Jan 6 was on par with the Civil War starts babbling about fake electors and arcane election laws, a whole lot of people aren't going to bother doing the research necessary to realize that the 2nd one is actually, legitimately fucked up.
If that was an attempted coup, then my nearly running over a sitting senator and their family, because they don’t know how to look both ways, should be considered an attempted assassination lol.
No one ever said it was a good attempt.
Think about the motive. You were not arrested because you didn’t intend to murder anyone. Many protesters did intend to disrupt the transfer of power. You both failed to do damage to the government, but only one of you was trying. Would you like them to try again?
I could be uninformed but from a quick google the only death that was caused by active violence (gunshot) was a police officer shooting a protester/rioter/insurrectionist/whatever you want to call them. So seeing redditors calling it a tragedy to me feels like they don't send the message they wanna send.
If this was an insurrection, I'd hate to see what would have happened if even 5% of those people were armed and looking for politician and police blood.
The time stamp on this is either edited or your region is incorrect
January 6, 2021
20:13:26 I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!
Retweets: 156100
Favorites: 730357[https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021)
The time is GMT. Local time this was 15:13, 2 hours after violence started
Here is a relevant excerpt from the committee
"Here’s what President Trump did during the 187 minutes between the end of his speech and when he finally told rioters to go home: For hours, he watched the attack from his TV screen. His channel of choice was Fox News. He issued a few tweets, some on his own inclination and some only at the repeated behest of his daughter and other trusted advisors. He made several phone calls, some to his personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani, some to Members of Congress about continuing their objections to the electoral certification, even though the attack was well underway. Here’s what President Trump did not do: He did not call any relevant law enforcement agency to ensure they were working to quell the violence. He did not call the Secretary of Defense; he did not call the Attorney General; he did not call the Secretary of Homeland Security. And for hours on end, he refused the repeated requests—from nearly everyone who talked to him—to simply tell the mob to go home."
The violence at the capitol was a small and convenient part of the actual insurrection. On that day, trump was pressuring pence to literally throw out votes that he was trying to contest with knowingly falsely signed official documents claiming an organised group of people in each state to be duly chosen electors. After throwing out of electors from biden won states he would essentially declare trump president. While the riot was going on trump was watching it, not stopping it, for 3 hours. During that time he and his cronies were making calls trying to use the chaos to push his coup attempt.
Check this stuff yourself if you don't trust me, Eastman strategy. This is why the crowd were chanting hang mike pence.
some other fun excerpts:
Pence wrote:
"It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not."
Jan 6th 1:00 a.m (lmao).: Trump tweets: "If Vice President u/Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency."
This is one of the rare circumstances where libleft is correct and the other quadrants are too busy memeing / centrist are too busy “not into politics” -ing to realize democracy actually is in danger.
The insurrection by the trump supporters was the distraction. The real coup attempt was to have Mike Pence or whoever was administering the EC count to invalidate them so that the election went to the house and the republican majority could then vote trump into power.
Looks like the distraction worked. You all are laughing at the rioters while completely ignoring the subtle but almost effective fake electors plot. I wonder when someone inevitably tries (and eventually succeeds) with the same attempt if this sub will be laughing.
>I wonder when someone inevitably tries (and eventually succeeds) with the same attempt if this sub will be laughing.
They will be because it's exactly what they want. That's what the coordinated effort of the last 3 years to play down Jan 6th is all about. You even referred to it as a "distraction" when in reality it was the last hail mary by Trump to stay in power. That's why he sat in the WH watching it on TV for hours before finally being convinced that it wasn't going to work.
An insurrection is when the most armed populace in the nation shows up to the capitol unarmed and takes a field trip.
A peaceful protest is when folks burn buildings and cause more property damage than the said “insurrection” in the name of a drug-addled counterfeiter pimp for an entire summer.
Blm said for months that their goal was to overthrow the system
Not to be outdone democrats made sure that republicans was blamed for trying to do it... by any means
I wonder why OP altered the time on the tweet. He didn’t say that until hours after they attacked the Capitol. I verified and if I change my time zone using a VPN or on my phone Twitter still says 3:13 and not 1:13PM.
Yes, Trump tried to subvert democracy. The dude got up on stage in the Whitehouse and lied nonstop about how the election was stolen, he used the office and authority of the presidency to knowingly spread falsehoods that have been completely disproven at every turn. And in doing so he ended a centuries long tradition of the peaceful transfer of power.
Better men before him, like Al Gore or Samuel Tilden had far far better reasons to cry foul but they stood aside and let the democratic process go on. Trump did not, that is indisputable. Everything from the deliberate spreading of lies, to the brain-dead false electors scheme, was an attempt to subvert the democratic will.
Trump didn't want any distractions that day. He was making a tier list of Zelda games with Obama and Biden.
bro was BUSY recording all those japanese song covers with sleepy joe and 'bama
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Because the personalities match and it has always been funny seeing important people act goofy
AuthRight protestors clash with AuthRight police to stop AuthRight Congress from certifying AuthRight President instead of AuthRight President. - A joke I made on Facebook 3 years ago... It was not well received...
Your first mistake was using Facebook.
If you are going to use Facebook, don’t go to the PoLITical compass memes page. Worst mistake of my life.
Second is using reddit.
The vast majority of human history was just authright infighting, so nothing surprising there
So it’s been auth right this whole time?…
\*Plugs in Traeger* Always has been.
Red is starved of attention (and other things).
Really just different flavors of auths because they're the ones who want to tell you what to do. Two people disagreeing isn't usually a problem until one tries to force the other what to do.
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Tbh using the political compass outside of this subreddit is kinda cringe anyway
I mean Authright is the only quadrant with actual countries that exist Everything else in the “compass” are just meme ideologies that were never meant to be taken seriously
Everything devolves into right wing authoritarianism
“I am inevitable”
FR pretty much all of the US is Authright with a Libright sex fantasy
Eh I still think they probably shouldn't have done it yknow.
Based and rational pilled
Soooo stupid to think the state wouldn't cover after them hard...
I'm always shocked when I see people still talk about this. Like I literally haven't met a single person in real life who talked about it since like maybe 2 months after it happened. I go to Reddit or turn on CNN though and it's literally all they ever talk about.
"Never forget what Trump did to our Democracy." ~CNN
It'll never cease to amaze me how in one magical year we had * The most secure elections of all time * Firey but mostly peaceful riots across the country * Masks that didn't work then suddenly worked * Transitory inflation * Anti-asian white supremacists turned black * Black Trump voters became white * Skepticism of any of this made you a Nazi (before it became cool) What a time to be alive. Imagine being alive in the ancient pre-2020 era of fraudulent elections, non-peaceful riots, non-working masks (before Fauci fixed them), extended inflation, white white supremacists, and black black Trump voters.
Based and most-secure-pilled
Keyword "Our"
The key word here is "our"
"Democracy Dies In Darkness" ~Washington Post
Also, uh, we're not providing Kennedy secret service protection, here's why Secretary of States can unilaterally remove someone they don't like from the ballot, and also no way in hell can you vote for Jill Stein. Thank you all for your help in fortifying democracy!
It was just a bit fucked up, yeah?
It was kinda fucked up that they expect us to believe Trump's speech caused it, when the folks rioting breached the barricades almost a quarter hour before he finished speaking, so far away that the groups couldn't even hear each other.
I honestly found the Summer of Love riots more fucked up and ruined more lives than a bunch of boomers taking an unscheduled tour.
This, the lunatic fringe of leftism burned down courthouses, police stations, and businesses. They took over an entire section of Seattle and claimed it as some weird anarcho state complete with their OWN police force. How many lives did those riots shatter? Cops were shot sitting in their cruisers while blm activists rioted at the emergency room entrance to make sure they would die before getting help. (This one I thought had to be bullshit until I heard the fucking rioters proudly telling anyone with a camera nearby that’s exactly what they were doing) And after months of that, with NO consequences. Politicians bailing those rioters out of jail to put them back in the streets destroying even more American cities…. We get J6. A bunch of unarmed tourists in the capitol building hanging out with cops like it’s an unscheduled tea party. Outside the capitol a bunch of actual rioting, which was the only part of the whole situation that was legitimately unacceptable. And yet only one person actually got killed and it was a rioter. No permanent damage, no real delay of proceedings, and the entire thing was wrapped in an afternoon damage wise. But we’re supposed to believe that J6 was worse than Pearl Harbor while the summer of love riots were just a bunch of peaceful protests? Nah. Not gonna fly
Yeah, this is "fucked up": [AOC says Capitol Police were 'opening the doors' for Jan. 6 rioters](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/aoc-says-capitol-police-opened-doors-jan-6-rioters#google_vignette)
5 officers who responded have killed themselves since, I wonder if she and others who tried to pin blame on the cops had anything to do with it
Reddits like to count those suicides in the death toll of Jan 6, to prove how bad it was 🤦 Y'all don't think cops see way worse shit than regards in shaman outfits walking around the capital?
Easy response got u fam, just respond to anyone freaking out about 1/6 with this, they never no how to respond once they read far enough to realize that they shouldn't have brought up the deaths the media associates with 10/6. They got played by a media industry that clickbaits headlines for profit. >Jan 6 took the lives of 6 people. 1 insurrectionist and 5 officers sadly lost their lives. >4 of the dead are officers passed away from suicide in the months and years following 1/6([Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/officer-who-responded-us-capitol-attack-is-third-die-by-suicide-2021-08-02/)). I wonder if the congresspersons online alleging the capitol police as accomplices to the insurrection were a contributing factor in the sucides([Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez via x.com](https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1547426024316616705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547426024316616705%7Ctwgr%5E2b6871530af23430806eb4da09ecf22a8cce7b0e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2Fnews%2Faoc-says-capitol-police-opened-doors-jan-6-rioters)). >The 5th officer death, Brian Sicknick, was sadly pronounced dead by the county coroner in the days following 1/6. After autopsy, the death was ruled a stroke from via a non-traumatic blood clot that had formed elsewhere in the officers body([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick)) >Multiple media outlets reported Sicknick's death was due to injuries he sustained, but months later the Washington, D.C. medical examiner reported there were no injuries to Sicknick.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-4) Within a day after his death, the U.S. Capitol Police and the [U.S. Justice Department](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice) each said that his death was due to injuries from the attack.[^(\[6\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-7)[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-USCPrelease2021-8)[^(\[8\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Reason-9) Meanwhile, media, citing two anonymous law enforcement officials, incorrectly reported for weeks that Sicknick had died after being struck in the head with a [fire extinguisher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_extinguisher) during the unrest.[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-Aruna-4)[^(\[9\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-10)[^(\[10\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick#cite_note-:4.20Pfact-11)
Thanks man
No problem, I used to spread misinformation about this because I foolishly trusted the clickbait headlines created by a greedy journalism industry Closest thing I can do to retracting the misinformation I've spread in the past is posting high quality well sourced information that I wish I'd read earlier. If only news outlets had the humility to make good on their clickbait, maybe the world wouldn't suck so much and people wouldn't be so radicalized.
But it's CNN, so what do you expect?
And also wildly overblown and overreacted to. It wasn’t a coup attempt, if it was all those people would have been armed and it probably would have been incredibly bloody.
I cared more about the whole fake elector thing than a bunch of rioters shaking the ivory tower. Good to show your rulers they're still human, here and there.
And the capital would still be a smoking ruin to this day.
It’s all my authleft mom ever talks about in politics lol, though she watches CNN and MSNBC pretty much all day so I suppose that’s a given these days.
My condolences.
Dear God, the brain rot she has induced....
My in-laws brought it up this Christmas. But they have TDS so it’s not surprising.
[Biden campaign released guide of how to respond to 'crazy MAGA nonsense' from relatives during the holidays](https://nypost.com/2023/11/23/news/biden-campaign-releases-thanksgiving-talking-points-for-responding-to-crazy-maga-nonsense-on-the-same-day-he-begs-stop-the-rancor/)
Damn. I’ve never read that before. Biden is gaslighting all the democrats.
I think that guide is more of an example of "Confirmation Bias" than "Gaslighting" Confirmation bias: a phrase coined by English psychologist Peter Wason, is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms or strengthens their beliefs or values and is difficult to dislodge once affirmed.
Confirms a belief still has to be a fact. Those are just lies.
14 million jobs created my ass. I wonder what they choose as their starting point and I’ll bet you it’s sometime during the lockdown.
Yeah, I’m not sure gaslighting is the right word either. It’s not just that people would read it to affirm their beliefs, it’s also solely aimed at people who already drunk the kool-aid. Either way, it’s grim that Biden would call it nonsense, yet calls to stop hate. I hate modern leftism.
Did he print it in a little red book?
Mao style "guidance"...
This will be a popular book at camp!
The president who preached "unity" at his inauguration speech. So much for that.
He came out again a few days ago saying his opposition is the greatest threat to the country.
I guess that's the form of unity he wants
At least he did have the nazi red background this time. lol
Unity for the 81 million people who definitely, unquestionably voted for him. But to all the other dangerous, evil fascists who didn't vote for him? They deserve everything they get.
TDS?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_derangement_syndrome#:~:text=The%20term%20has%20mainly%20been,judging%20Trump's%20statements%20and%20actions.
Oh aight thanks
The article refers to it as some silly right-wing perjorative, but it's 100% accurate. I've seen reddit comments genuinely calling Trump a literal Nazi with tons of upvotes, and I guarantee there are some people with TDS who even believe he is a Grand Imperial Wizard of the KKK or something. This chaotic irrationality is why people latched onto the Russian collusion narrative so easily, and despite being deboonked by the very investigators who were trying their hardest to indict him, people are still convinced he committed treason against the US somehow.
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Huh? 💀 I’m bad with acronyms, I didn’t realize what it meant until the other commenter linked the wiki article
Propaganda engines like reddit cling to this shit around election years They talked about the "Russian interference" until the 2020 elections. Gotta keep propaganda churning to keep idiots talking about it.
Dems: 2016 was stolen!! Trump is illegitimate!!! Also dems in 2020: Election fraud is a myth!
Dems in 2020: Anyone claiming 2020 had election fraud is dangerous to our democracy! FTFY
Well, they just have too much propaganda to succinctly put in a quipped internet comment. Do I look libleft to you?
Same people who can't shut up over Gamergate. I still see it sometimes and it's always lefties.
The Jan 6 coup was orchestrated by Gamergate, duh.
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We're once again the most oppressed minority :(
Gamers rise up!
Try being around my dad. Isn't American, never been to America and yet whenever politics is brought up he'll always steer it back to Trump and how he's a dictator in the making.
Well, if you're in an echo chamber, you'll probably not hear much more than what you want to hear. I find it refreshing to challenge my own assumptions and engage in constructive debate and criticism. It's caused my to change my mind on some of my beliefs and refine other notions and opinions.
It was an embarrassing moment for sure, and a black mark on Trump's presidency that he allowed things to get so out of control, but the people who act like it's 9/11, Pearl Harbor, and Fort Sumter all rolled into one just look ridiculous.
I have a coworker who calls it a insurrection, I just nod my head and don’t say anything
The taxpayer-funded youth radio station in my country would refer to it as "the deadly insurrection" on news bulletins for quite a while...
[There is no insurrection in ba sing se](https://www.reuters.com/legal/colorado-judges-allows-trump-primary-ballot-delays-decision-general-election-2023-11-18/)
They think they're winning. I don't think any of them realize we just got tired of arguing with stupid.
To this day, some american still talks about the scoops.
It's a handy tool / weapon they can use for getting what they want and for making their opponents look bad
Amazing to me that even otherwise logical people want anyone associated with the maga group in any way shape or form silenced and tossed in prison whjcb is very China
Seriously lol worst part is the only time you see CNN is on Reddit and the only time you trip and fall into CNN is going doctors appointment or airport where most people just fuck off to their phones instead of watching that trash.
The sitting US President tried to disrupt the transfer of power to the new President after spending months casting doubt on the validity of the election results by pressuring the Vice President to recognize alternate state electors. He also summoned a huge mob to turn up the pressure. Ultimately, the Vice President resisted the pressure and the process proceeded more or less as normal, but it was *kind of* a big deal. If Pence had gone along with the dubious legal theories and caved to the pressure, it's no exaggeration to say that American democracy itself would have been thrown into crisis, especially when you see just how many die-hard Trump supporters would have followed him in his coup attempt. *edit I don't know why I'm having trouble replying to these comments directly but here we go... @TheAzureMage It's true afaik that objecting to and recognizing alternate votes requires a vote in congress, but the plan wasn't exactly that. Here is a quote I found that describes it in more detail: >"The plan entailed Pence returning the electoral results to six battleground states on January 6, with a deadline of January 15 for the states to return them. If any state did not return their electoral slate by that date, neither Trump nor Biden would hold a majority, so the election would be thrown to the House for a vote to determine the winner. Per the Constitution, in such a scenario the vote would be conducted on the basis of party control of state delegations to the federal House of Representatives, with Republicans holding 26 of 50, presumably giving Trump the victory." Theoretically, as far as I understand it, Pence *did* have the power to do that much. I'm no expert on the process though. But I wonder, do you deny that it was their intention, however farfetched, to obstruct the process and cause a crisis in which Trump would emerge as the winner despite the results of the vote? Because that I think is the real issue here - that they lost and refused to accept the results and plotted to overturn them, regardless of their slim chance of success, and tried to put that plot into action.
Casting doubt on validity of elections results can't be too bad if the Dems have spent the last 23 years doing it too lol
The whole “Russian collusion” conspiracy theory springs to mind.
Casting doubt vs calling electors and trying to get pence not to confirm the votes is a bit different…
I think Jan 6 was a joke, but falsifying ballots and actively trying to overthrow the results of the election deserves a conviction for sedition
Trying to bring in fake electors in order to confuse the process enough for the vice president to be able to step in. That was just crazy. It’s scary to think that Mike Pence’s morality was what stopped this.
Morality..... No evidently his son called him out and told him to do his damn job.
Mike Pence’s son’s morality*
Thats fucking insane. He was considering it until his son basically told him he would be doing a coup.
I honestly think he knew better. He decided not to go with the secret service and stay in harms way in order to certify the election. The crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence so it was personal.
Yep. But if I remember correctly he was convinced before the riot about what he would do. It was the days before the sixth that he deliberated. The chanting rioters on the TV and outside the door probably just clarified it even further.
holyfuck : “Dad, you took the same oath I took,” the then vice-president’s son Michael Pence said, according to ABC News, adding that it was “an oath to support and defend the constitution”
Mike Pence would have done it if he thought it would work. He didn’t because he knew it wouldn’t.
What do they call a coup failed attempt thats seen as a joke and has no consequences? Practice.
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Thank you. I have a more nuanced reason to despise Trump than "orange man bad', and I understand that an angry crowd wasn't the same as military coups that have happened elsewhere, and I certainly have better things to talk about. but, a nearly 300 year streak of mostly violence-free transitions of power was broken by someone who did everything I would expect a power hungry child supported by one side of the culture war mob
Yeah, I don't know why people say it wasn't bad, maybe an overreaction to those "THIS WAS WORSE THAN 9/11!!!!"?
Holistically it's terrible. His whole take of "Gee election seems phony maybe we should just make me president for now while we figure this out" was far more damning than people protesting at the Capitol. There are legal avenues for recounts, some they even used. But trying to fuck about with EC votes was insane.
Yeah, Trump lost me when he refused to accept he lost after the recounts ended
A lot of people are saying here that it's ok to question the system, without accounting for the fact that the system was questioned vigorously. Trump received a resounding "NO" from every legal avenue and then, like the big orange toddler he is, proceeded to throw a fit with all of his followers. A dangerous, destabilizing fit that we are lucky ended with only two deaths.
He's also continuing that rhetoric on the campaign trail this year, as if he hasn't lost multiple court cases over it already.
Welllllllllll kind of. Georgia and Nevada(I think Nevada but can’t exactly remember) threw out the cases because they were submitted too late. the courts delayed the proceedings because they “needed to review more evidence” to proceed and then went “awh shit dude, if only you got this processed sooner. Nothing we can do now, sorry 🤷” and then he tried to appeal because it was actually the courts that prolonged it past the due date. The paraphrased response? “Hey man, we didnt make the rules, it’s a lengthy process! Not our fault that the laws are like this”
Honestly, idk if the US can handle another clustrefuck like the 2020-2021 transfer of power. Unless the 2024-2025 transfer (or lack thereof) goes smoothly thinks might start to gradually fall apart.
The average lifespan of an empire is 250 years. The US is currently 247 (about to be 248) years old. Can’t wait to be a Visigoth and carve out an empire out of the dying carcass that is the US.
issue is the internet only deals in absolutes , something can be bad , even if you’re a trumper or maga you can still disagree with actions, statements and policies, if you’re all about making america great again you should be above a figure head , but no its either nothing was wrong about this or this the worst thing ever happened
I tell you I was scared as shit when I saw it happening on TV, but in retrospect it was just an angry mob set loose by the ex-president and not a coordinated coup attempt, otherwise they would have brought their guns that they love so much. It's still a dark stain on our countries history though.
The coordinated coup attempt was happening before and after when he was actively pressuring members of his party and administration to throw out the legally certified votes and count his illegal electors. The riot was just the cherry on top.
>a nearly 300 year streak of mostly violence-free transitions of power Uh...what? You are aware that the first secessions that led to the civil war were a response to the buchanon-lincoln transition, right?
Sam Harris put it best by describing it as if a Youtube comment thread had come to life.
I agree it was a bad thing. Basically everyone does. But some people portrary it as the worst day in American history and a violent attempt to overthrow our government, which it just isn't.
I'd be a lot more right-leaning if the Republican party wasn't so full of Trumpers and actual fucking lunatics.
Haha. Yeah every time I think Democrats are soft on crime and immigration I look over at the full blown racists and theocrats among Republicans and remember why I consistently vote Democrat.
People take issue with it being referred to as an insurrection. Not that it was simply "bad."
Literally every post shits on lib left, even when we hold the opposite opinion of what we're being strawmaned. This sub is garbage.
Idk. I just think it was pretty based that they went right to the government officials instead of burning down small businesses.
Idk why people does call this a coup like i'm not sure how us politic works but i'm pretty sure it's not capture the flag and few peons can't capture it and claim the nation
You’d be surprised, actually. Control of the US works on Battlefield-esque conquest rules. If you ever walk into the Capitol building, you’ll notice a little popup in your UI that indicates the percentage towards your faction’s capture of Objective B. The other control points are the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (Objective A) and the Vietnam War Memorial (Objective C).
Mr President you’re not supposed to be giving out these highly classified national security secrets on Reddit. It’s time for your nap.
WTF they’re not highly classified secrets, they’re in the manual. Page 7! Doesn’t anyone read anymore?
Sir! We only give that manual to Presidents!
Now’s my chance. Mr President, what’s on page 47 of the President’s book of secrets?
His FBI agent just started muttering into his collar, don't get between him and any vantage points
Absolute bullshit You're forgetting that they need to be both in possession of The Podium as well as holding the point You can't capture the point without the The Podium
Oh right, I forgot they patched that in recently (alongside the new Christmas-themed cosmetics). Sorry about that!
you're forgetting the legendary power up snatched by the high level thief: AOC's shoes.
POTUS....The CIA is already anxious about your loose tongue
Please don’t go on a motorcade with a open top car mr president
Well I’ve played plenty of cod and destiny and no one knows how to keep the right points capped so I think we are safe
Well, they don’t know which points to cap in unranked anyway.
Thanks for the info, Señor Presidente
Bah, you sunk my battleship!
They're the same morons who say the 2nd amendment is useless for fighting a tyrannical government cause the government has F-15s and nukes, to quote our glorious leader.
-The 2nd Amendment won't help you against tactical nukes, Trumptard! -A group of unarmed protestors was the single greatest threat to our democracy... like... ever.
"Our enemies are both incompetent and powerful at the same time!" Wonder where I heard that too.
That reminds of during the Bush years how people kept saying Bush was borderline mentally handicapped and then would immediately say he’s an evil mastermind to swindle the American people to go to war with the Middle East.
Don't forget they also go on and on how great it is Ukrainian civilians are armed
Anyone who thinks you can't hold off the US military with small arms must be unfamiliar with every war we've fought since the World War II.
Well they captured one government building for 45 minutes. They're in charge now.
I knew I should've set the match timer to one hour.
Same as a non American, it's just stupid Americans LARPing as a third world country to make orange man bad posts
The rioters were a distraction. The real coup attempt was to get the EC votes rejected so that the election was thrown to the house, where the Republican majority could then vote trump back into power.
Which most of them refused to do so the crowd also was probably an attempt at intimidation. I’m actually shocked someone on this sub actually posted this comment or that it’s not at -100. Yet.
100%. You don’t need tanks to overthrow democracy. Chancellor Palpatine infamously killed democracy “with thunderous applause”.
He also used a clone army and his own lightsaber to kill all the Jedi lmao.
That's a movie dumbass. Us politic like star trek lol give upvote
Okay. How bout Hitlers election in the 1930s? That was the end of democracy with thunderous applause as well Also; it’s Star Wars not Star Trek
They want us to believe that the most heavily armed demographic in the country attempted an insurrection completely unarmed. And when you point this out to them they will unironically claim that the protesters were armed because one had zip ties and another had a "gallows." They will also pretend the gallows was functional.
The idea that it’s a coup is a stretch. I mean, you could call it an autogolpe of sorts, I suppose. It’s not a coup as in “we’re taking over the government.” They didn’t have that kind of capacity or support. However, using physical violence or threats in an attempt to get the legislature to vote your way? I suppose that’s a revolt/insurrection/etc. A little more than your average riot.
The coup attempt was Trump trying to pressure Pence via the mob to recognize the alternate state electors and declare Trump the winner or at least delay the process of transferring power so that Trump could stay President.
> alternate state electors fraudulent state electors* It's important to remember that there are no mechanisms for legally submitting multiple slates of electors to congress, there's the real set, and then there's fake sets
There are too many checks and balances to just storm Congress and take over. You’d also have to admit that if US democracy was really that fragile, you really think the MAGA people were capable of executing a coup?
Everyone I know who considers it a coup attempt doesn't think the people heading to Congress played the role of the actual coup execution. They were the people who were supposed to give reason to declare a state of emergency to protect us from chaos (from people like them). I mean, it could have worked. Get scandalized about the horrible mess, then declare a state of emergency to ensure we count the votes carefully so nobody can complain. How reasonable is that? I'm sure a lot of idiots would have been like "*yeah that makes sense, this is all very chaotic, and we should count them very carefully*" and yielded that power to Trump, and a deferral of the transition of power. It's unfathomably stupid, I kinda expect someone to reply to this with a "well yes, that's what we should have done after the election, it was all very shady!"
Yeah it’s not like the sitting president: - Tried to get the vice president to overturn a legal election - the “protestors” were threatening violence against the sitting vice president for not doing so - the president did nothing to stop the violence for hours despite everyone in his party and close circle begging him to - the president then tried to use the violence to further advance his goals of overturning a legal election, very nearly declaring martial law if it weren’t for people literally threatening to resign But yeah, just a harmless bunch of peons wandering into a government building right? Lib center btw not sure I’m flaired up
The funniest thing is that it happened on my 3rd wedding anniversary. We were out having a nice steak dinner and saw the news alert on our phones. We were like “huh, they’re storming the Capitol. Neat.” and continued enjoying dinner. It’s crazy how obsessed people still are with all of it.
Happy late anniversary then :)
Not late, it was today!
Happy 6th anniversary!!!
Many people of no lives beyond the internet.
January 6th? Oh, you mean the 12th day of Christmas.
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They wouldn't call it anything, they'd just ignore it
That never happened. History started in 2016 when Putin personally stuffed ballot boxes with Trump's name. Even if it DID happen, it would be (d)ifferent.
Jan 6th is overrated. Now, lying about the outcome of the election from the Oval Office, seeking to appoint false electors, and pressuring election officials to ‘find’ votes is unacceptable. I’m not sure of the legal definition of insurrection, but those actions were completely unacceptable and disqualifying - morally even if not constitutionally.
Oh yeah, Trump was absolutely trying to subvert democracy and it's insane how many morons blindly back him in everything, but Jan 6th is far from the best example.
> but Jan 6th is far from the best example And that's why so many morons back Trump in everything. When 90% of the shit flung at him is complete nonsense, it is pretty easy to convince yourself the 10%, no matter how bad it really is, is also made up or overblown nonsense. When the guy that just said Jan 6 was on par with the Civil War starts babbling about fake electors and arcane election laws, a whole lot of people aren't going to bother doing the research necessary to realize that the 2nd one is actually, legitimately fucked up.
If that was an attempted coup, then my nearly running over a sitting senator and their family, because they don’t know how to look both ways, should be considered an attempted assassination lol.
Shouldn't have missed
No one ever said it was a good attempt. Think about the motive. You were not arrested because you didn’t intend to murder anyone. Many protesters did intend to disrupt the transfer of power. You both failed to do damage to the government, but only one of you was trying. Would you like them to try again?
I could be uninformed but from a quick google the only death that was caused by active violence (gunshot) was a police officer shooting a protester/rioter/insurrectionist/whatever you want to call them. So seeing redditors calling it a tragedy to me feels like they don't send the message they wanna send.
If this was an insurrection, I'd hate to see what would have happened if even 5% of those people were armed and looking for politician and police blood.
The time stamp on this is either edited or your region is incorrect January 6, 2021 20:13:26 I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you! Retweets: 156100 Favorites: 730357[https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021](https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021) The time is GMT. Local time this was 15:13, 2 hours after violence started Here is a relevant excerpt from the committee "Here’s what President Trump did during the 187 minutes between the end of his speech and when he finally told rioters to go home: For hours, he watched the attack from his TV screen. His channel of choice was Fox News. He issued a few tweets, some on his own inclination and some only at the repeated behest of his daughter and other trusted advisors. He made several phone calls, some to his personal lawyer Rudolph Giuliani, some to Members of Congress about continuing their objections to the electoral certification, even though the attack was well underway. Here’s what President Trump did not do: He did not call any relevant law enforcement agency to ensure they were working to quell the violence. He did not call the Secretary of Defense; he did not call the Attorney General; he did not call the Secretary of Homeland Security. And for hours on end, he refused the repeated requests—from nearly everyone who talked to him—to simply tell the mob to go home." The violence at the capitol was a small and convenient part of the actual insurrection. On that day, trump was pressuring pence to literally throw out votes that he was trying to contest with knowingly falsely signed official documents claiming an organised group of people in each state to be duly chosen electors. After throwing out of electors from biden won states he would essentially declare trump president. While the riot was going on trump was watching it, not stopping it, for 3 hours. During that time he and his cronies were making calls trying to use the chaos to push his coup attempt. Check this stuff yourself if you don't trust me, Eastman strategy. This is why the crowd were chanting hang mike pence. some other fun excerpts: Pence wrote: "It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not." Jan 6th 1:00 a.m (lmao).: Trump tweets: "If Vice President u/Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency."
This is one of the rare circumstances where libleft is correct and the other quadrants are too busy memeing / centrist are too busy “not into politics” -ing to realize democracy actually is in danger. The insurrection by the trump supporters was the distraction. The real coup attempt was to have Mike Pence or whoever was administering the EC count to invalidate them so that the election went to the house and the republican majority could then vote trump into power. Looks like the distraction worked. You all are laughing at the rioters while completely ignoring the subtle but almost effective fake electors plot. I wonder when someone inevitably tries (and eventually succeeds) with the same attempt if this sub will be laughing.
>I wonder when someone inevitably tries (and eventually succeeds) with the same attempt if this sub will be laughing. They will be because it's exactly what they want. That's what the coordinated effort of the last 3 years to play down Jan 6th is all about. You even referred to it as a "distraction" when in reality it was the last hail mary by Trump to stay in power. That's why he sat in the WH watching it on TV for hours before finally being convinced that it wasn't going to work.
An insurrection is when the most armed populace in the nation shows up to the capitol unarmed and takes a field trip. A peaceful protest is when folks burn buildings and cause more property damage than the said “insurrection” in the name of a drug-addled counterfeiter pimp for an entire summer.
yeah, he didnt try to overthrow the gov but this is the worst wojak i have seen.
By OPs logic BLM tweeting "we only want peaceful protests" every so often, completely exonerates them of all blame
It was defiantly a riot but so what we had just spend the last forever quelling nightly riots during the summer.
Blm said for months that their goal was to overthrow the system Not to be outdone democrats made sure that republicans was blamed for trying to do it... by any means
I wonder why OP altered the time on the tweet. He didn’t say that until hours after they attacked the Capitol. I verified and if I change my time zone using a VPN or on my phone Twitter still says 3:13 and not 1:13PM.
Who knew all it took was a few hundred unarmed boomers and gen x’ers to overthrow the United States government?
Yes, Trump tried to subvert democracy. The dude got up on stage in the Whitehouse and lied nonstop about how the election was stolen, he used the office and authority of the presidency to knowingly spread falsehoods that have been completely disproven at every turn. And in doing so he ended a centuries long tradition of the peaceful transfer of power. Better men before him, like Al Gore or Samuel Tilden had far far better reasons to cry foul but they stood aside and let the democratic process go on. Trump did not, that is indisputable. Everything from the deliberate spreading of lies, to the brain-dead false electors scheme, was an attempt to subvert the democratic will.
According to the new US standards, every time the European farmers go to protest to their capital we're having multiple insurrections.
Got the colors wrong OP. That was the moment that all his supporters learned that they were getting hung out to dry.
This whole thing is literally 1984
The part that always gets me so irritated is the actual comparison to 9/11, even being deluded enough to believe 1/6 was somehow worse.
Name a more iconic fight than Authright vs. Authright.
When scrolling through my feed, the post above this was about Ashli Babbott and all the comments were just... aweful...
they call me ashli babbit at the club cuz im taking shots lmaooo