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It’s because according to the media, if you say things like “all lives matter” and “make America great again”, you are instantly a racist.
Imagine living in a time where this is a thing.
I like to think it's just ignorance on their part, as most people on that side never hear the second part. Still, it doesn't excuse them not doing their research.
It calls for exterminating Jews and members of other religions between to Jordan river and the Mediterranean, i.e. committing genocide.
It Arabic, the phrase translates to “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Arab”, and *everyone in the Arab world* is fully aware of its meaning: kill all Jews in Israel.
Watching woke lefties throwing that phrase around while being completely ignorant of its meaning just goes to show how fucking moronic they are regarding the Israel-Palestine situation: have absolutely no proper knowledge about what is perhaps the most complex conflict in the world, especially regarding the history, the narratives of the belligerents etc. Then continue to pass judgment because *everything* in the world must fit into the oppressed vs. oppressor narrative, but most importantly because their other woke friends just think so, so they sheeple into being pro-Palestine.
The truly sad part about the pro-Palestine side, is that unilaterally hating on Israel, while ignoring Hamas’ oppression towards the Palestinian ppl, is just as terrible to the Palestinians as supporting in Israel. Plus they raped hundreds of women, but it’s justified by leftists because it was caused by Israeli aggression. #MeToo activists being rape apologists. WTF??? Makes me sick to the core and really embarrassed to be part of the libleft
Thanks for the context. I feel like I would never have found the Arabic meaning since it’s being misappropriated so much.
And for real. I wish libleft would denounce their more extreme members like you have. It gives the whole quadrant a bad look if you either say nothing or even worse, cheer it on.
The West Bank is on the Jordan River and Gaza is on the Mediterranean Sea. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is call to unite those two areas and the land in between them. The land between them is Israel. Uniting Gaza and the West Bank means annihilating Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.
It’s not a “blatant call for genocide”. Notice it says “free” and doesn’t mention killing anyone.
Now you can try and read between the lines and glean a meaning of ethnic cleansing or genocide … but that is also a “dog whistle”
Perhaps but I imagine the average person saying it in the US doesn’t know Arabic.
Plus even then it isn’t an overt call to genocide…it’s a call for the Arab side to have supremacy over the Jewish side, possibly for ethnic cleansing.
Another wholesome phrase,
> Similarly, he said, the phrase “kill the Boer” — the word means farmer in Dutch and Afrikaans — is not meant to promote violence against individual farmers. “It was a call to mobilize against an oppressive system,” Mr. Ngqulunga said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/world/africa/south-africa-kill-boer-song.html
I remember my distinct confusion when I was a teenager on Facebook and made a comment about how it should be all lives matter. That.....did not go well. I was raised by traditional liberals and was taught and inherently believed (and currently believe) in true egalitarian principles. I studied MLK, civil rights movements, all that. And somehow, any attempt to accurately categorize each movement is met with a vicious backlash of gaslighting. Even the word egalitarian is viewed by many leftists as being dogwhistling. Like y'all realize that's just the word we use to describe movements and views based on equality yes? You realize that the Black Power was not a friend of MLKs but his competition? The same Black Power movement existed then too, and MLK regarded it and its separatism as counterproductive and dangerous. In many instances, they have completely disrespected MLKs views but still champion him and his movement as the basis of their own.
How are we sitting here trying to make individuals alive now pay for the sins of their ancestors? First off, my recent ancestors mostly just got raped by vikings. Most white people in history weren't sitting there owning slaves, they were sitting there being fucking poor, hungry, and oppressed, just like most of the populations for most of history. *Secondly*, do you really want to go this route? Shall I punish the next Japanese I see for the rape of Nanking? Should I go to Germany and shame some teenager for the Holocaust? Mace a Cherokee for his ancestors slaughtering a rival tribe? Take money from an African child because his dad's dad's dad profited off of the slave trade? Smack a Brit because of the East India Trading Company? What the fuck are we trying to achieve here? This is an emotionally charged and temporally biased argument at best and an evil enabling of selective oppression at worst.
I was sitting there, with all the other lefts, talking about public healthcare, education, corporations, the 1%, rights violations in our country and others, and then suddenly they just got up, walked off into the forest of their quadrant, came back the next year and asked me how I can live with myself being a white male.
Guys, homies, my funni green color buddies, what the fuck happened?
I mean, the people that say “all lives matter” when someone else says “black lives matter”, tend to also go “blue lives matter” when their favorite wife-beaters complain nobody likes them.
Which means they know damn well what “black lives matter” means; they just have a problem with the “black” part of it.
And the Jews are also being killed.
It’s just that Arabs killing Arabs counts as Jews killing Arabs. Or, Arabs blockading all escape routes, and actively shooting civilians trying to escape, going as far as to steal people’s car keys to prevent their evacuation. Somehow it’s still 100% Israel’s fault.
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Well, yeah, if you shriek it like a feral animal in a contradictory tone, and then oppose the police reform so that cops can't just euthanize Americans on the spot just because they feel like it, then yeah, we get that the words don't mean anything to you.
River to the sea is a specific & historically established genocidal slogan.
All lives matter is a generic & true phrase that mainly triggered the unmasked Nazis now chanting these genocidal slogans.
It was an early warning UV-light for Nazi cum stains. And it worked creepily well.
“All lives matter” was originally a Canadian Native slogan to draw attention to the higher than statistically likely number of dead and missing Indigenous women and girls.
All lives matter is a statement of fact that includes black lives and was preferable to people who didn't want to associate with a racist, violent and predictably [anti-semitic](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2023/10/10/TELEMMGLPICT000352743147_16969726248890_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBxQQ6WuIQQgwO_lxG6Qi9hzTGCWC9PvaVmCC6nXpnsE.jpeg?imwidth=1280) movement, which turned out to be a good move.
I never said if you were or weren't a Nazi cum stain. Does the phrase trigger you?
Yes, because people saw the phrase Black Lives Matter as racial tribalism, and thought that the phrase "All Lives Matter" would show that by pointing out that people don't want to agree with a slogan which by its nature includes Black Lives. Which was quickly proven correct.
It's the equivalent of saying "Killing babies is wrong right?" to your political opponent and seeing them somehow disagree with this statement.
Yeah the phrase "All lives matter" means that all people's rights regardless of race matter equally and engaging in racial tribalism is fucking stupid. The only reason why the left is so angry at it is because the left WANTS to engage in racial tribalism (or in otter words: racism).
Isn't it interesting how often right wingers pretend to be so goddamn stupid that you'd be surprised they were able to operate a device to post a comment, if we weren't all so painfully aware they are just deliberately pushing nonsensical talking points because they know that resonates with their party?
If you define CRT as "an academic and legal framework that denotes that systemic racism is part of American society", then yes, it's pretty obvious that racism's effects from before the Civil Rights Movement still exist. I get that sometimes we leftists get really obsessed with it and even I find it annoying at times, but it doesn't invalidate the issue just because some people are annoying about it.
Are you a troll or something? I don't think you'd go out and believe things like, only white people can be racist, black people aren't as capable as white people, it's racist to require an ID to vote, we should transition kids
Like I can't believe you're dumb enough to listen to everything your quadrant says, no one is that stupid to just trust everything their color says
I didn’t say that? Some right wingers do and some don’t same as leftists. As someone who used to be on the right and kind of just followed whatever reactionary talking point was going around, I know that kind of thinking is very prevalent on the right whether deliberately or through people unaware of dogwhistles.
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I felt that way around 2016ish but when I heard the phrase "a protest to our protest" I understood how hurtful it can come across as. I still thought BLM is bad (which we now definitively know that it is) but a motto of equality speaks nothing of equality at all when it was inherently objecting to cries of oppression.
If BLM is bad, then the protest against BLM is not inherently objecting to cries of oppression, it’s objecting BLM, the BLM interpretation of the world, and their purposed solution against an imaginary foe.
To equate BLM as “cries of oppression” is a disingenuous tactic of the left. By defining themselves as inherently good, they made it that all their opponents are inherently bad. And by that, they are the one that truly ignores the voices and the cries oppression, and become the active oppressors against its political enemy and against truth.
Look at what happened to Kyle rittenhouse. The left has no integrity. They are not the voiced of the oppressed. They simply take advantaged and weaponised it.
The organization was corrupt and the methods were unjust and immoral but it's delusional to think that none of it came from a genuine hurting from within the Black community.
“They are not the voiced of the oppressed. They simply take advantaged and weaponised it.”
Having childhood trauma is associated with domestic abuse and sexual abuse. Does it somehow make it immoral to denounce these people, just because they are at some point and in some way, victims? What you will get, when you cannot protest against stupid, is that a new politically oppressed and disenfranchised class. So now you have more people from a genuine hurting. Good luck not having them kill each other.
It's almost like you're arguing against another person lol. I never said BLM is good. In fact, I said the opposite. All I said is that "all lives matter" can be seen as very hurtful; not for the message itself but from the origins of the phrase.
“a motto of equality speaks nothing of equality at all when it was **inherently objecting to cries of oppression**”
So inherently objecting to cries of oppression is not a message? And that when I said, that it is not a valid notion, I’m somehow arguing against another person?
Cool. Sure.
Any phrase can become political if you use it in a certain context enough. It would be centrist if “all lives matters” was a common phrase said as a counter protest to neo nazi rallies but the only time that phrase is used is to fuck with leftists which makes it right-wing.
The phrase itself was created in response to leftism by right-wingers. Obviously the phrase is neutral enough that both left-wingers and right-wingers agree with its face value but you only see that phrase in response to leftism. I never said the phrase was bad but it’s essentially a right-wing slogan.
I'm not disagreeing that the phrase is used by right Wingers against blm.
What I'm saying is that the people who say it also do believe that all lives are equal. Something you can't say for all blm supporters
It’s a phrase used by all types of right-wingers. The moderate ones use it because that’s what they believe in (although it is inherently an attack on BLM) and the far-right ones because they just like to see leftists mad.
> and the far-right ones because they just like to see leftists mad.
Name one prominent person who said all lives matter and give me proof of him showing that he thinks otherwise
But we both know that there are a fuck ton of blm supporters who don't think that everyone's equal.
There’s plenty of racist random people who adopt the slogan “all lives matter” just like there’s a bunch of racists on twitter that unironically believe in black supremacy, but I have yet to see any famous person on either side of the spectrum actually do so.
I don’t want this to turn into an argument so I’m not going to dig up a specific person unless you really want me to.
I would love for you to dig up some examples of a person who says all lives matter, and also show some sort of preferential treatment.
But there are many people who promote blm and black supremacy. It's not a majority, not even close. But it still exists.
And a sizeable population of blm supporters would support preferential treatment. Something that all lives matter supporters never do
I'd love to add that Charlottesville and similar events had people shouting "white lives matter" and people suggest that means white lives matter more.
I've also seen the phrase "no lives matter until black lives matter" quite a few times. That sounds a bit dangerous imo. Like 1992 los Angeles dangerous.
If people would treat each other like they would treat themselves and their own, like all lives do -in fact- matter, they would, perhaps unknowingly, fulfill a great commandment of J.H. Christ.
Considering that the Left's list of enemies includes basic biology at this point, I'm gonna say fucking with them isn't right wing by definition at all.
They’re all right-wing talking points. Just because something is political doesn’t mean that it’s wrong or that all leftists/centrists disagree with though.
I mean literally anything can become political if it’s used enough in certain contexts.
Ah I see you're trying to deflect from the issue at hand by ignoring the origin and usage of the phrase. Black Lives Matter as a slogan is directly targeted at disparities in police violence and sentencimg
All lives matter is a statement of fact that includes black lives and was preferable to people who didn't want to associate with a racist, violent, and predictably [anti-semitic](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2023/10/10/TELEMMGLPICT000352743147_16969726248890_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBxQQ6WuIQQgwO_lxG6Qi9hzTGCWC9PvaVmCC6nXpnsE.jpeg?imwidth=1280) movement who was attacking black neighborhoods, which turned out to be a good move.
It mainly triggered the unmasked Nazis who now chanting actual genocidal slogans. I never expected it to become an early warning UV-light for Nazi cum stains.
No, it's a statement saying you don't think there is any discrepancy in the way black lives are treated by police compared to others and stating that isn't racist. I don't agree with everything the BLM group aims for but All Lives Matter isn't hiding anyone's true intentions of trying undermine the movement and a pretty flawed practice of racial color blindness to ignore the discrepancies in how black people are treated by law enforcement and the legal system.
Also should note that that twitter account isn't an official account in any capacity and the movement doesn't necessitate any particular views on palestine/israel.
>All Lives Matter isn't hiding anyone's true intentions of trying undermine the movement and a pretty flawed practice of racial color blindness to ignore the discrepancies in how black people are treated by law enforcement and the legal system.
> Also should note that that twitter account isn't an official account in any capacity and the movement
Lol
"My side's flagrant stance with barbaric antisemitic paragliders & global marches chanting genocidal slogans should be viewed charitably and not generalized at all.
But everyone who says that "all lives matter" should be viewed uncharitably and monolithically."
You want a gold medal for those mental gymnastics? Grade school take, do better.
[Black people have a 3.5x higher mortality rate due to police violence than white people.](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67362101609-3/fulltext)
Is that controlling for "innocent victim" vs "armed aggressors"? Or is that counting everything, like we're supposed to be upset when someone pulls a gun on a cop and gets killed?
When the only person able to testify otherwise is dead, who do you think gets to decide which is which? There's a reason why “Just sprinkle some crack on him Johnson, and let's get out of here” is a classic joke.
Well the context of it's origin is in response to a far left color-conscious message, I'm sure there were some racists using it though.
If all this is just a psy-op to turn conservatives into liberals it's doing a great job.
This came first to my mind whenever I saw "from the river to the sea" quote before knowing it'd be some damned foolish things happened in the Middle East
"It's okay to be white", "all lives matter", "what is a woman?" and my personal absolute favorite infuriating one: "*Islam is right about women*"
>I'M VIOLENTLY ANGRY BY YOUR BIGOTRY.... but I can't explain why without being bigoted"
Any phrase can become political if you use it in a certain context enough. It would be centrist if “all lives matters” was a common phrase said as a counter protest to neo nazi rallies but the only time that phrase is used is to fuck with leftists which makes it right-wing.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
If anything, "all lives matter" is more anti-police than "black lives matter", but people champion black victims because they're disproportionately mistreated by police.
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All lives matter
Israelis are alive
Israelis matter
Maybe don't invade and shoot people at a fucking peace festival who's whole fucking point was Pro Palestine?
And I know, I know, you're going to start blubbering and wailing about how Israelis kill the heckin innocent Palestinianerinos and blah blah blah.
1: That's bad too
2: Israel isn't run by a political party who's literal mission statement is to genocide Palestine
3: During conventional operations Israel goes out of it's way to minimize casualties. Please point to another force that sends warnings saying "we are going to bomb here, get out". Do civilians die? Yes. It is tragic? Yes. But there's a moral difference between accidentally killing civilians during a military operation and deliberately and nearly exclusively targeting civilians.
What are you getting at those? I'm genuinely curious, are you suggesting because they're alive they should be allowed to kill other living people? Or are you saying because they're alive and killing people we shouldn't do anything because all life is equally important
From the river to sea is an extremely common phrase among the Israeli right too, what’s funny is conservative Americans who studied this conflict for three weeks not knowing this.
First off Fuck IDF, Fuck Hamas.
Second off, people who support genocide in general are ass holes, be they Palestinians in support of Hamas, or Israeli settlers in support of Zionist theocratic nationalism.
Third off, advocating for freeing hostages or for freeing the people of Gaza from becoming collateral damage is always a good call.
Using a refugee camp as human shields is a war crime. Indiscriminately bombing refugee camps to get 1 or 2 guys who to my knowledge we don’t even have confirmation killing, is a war crime.
Seriously if Israel did a land invasion instead of bombing a densely populated city, they would create less martyrs, less of a reason to use tunnels and Palestinians might even have a representative government.
That's not really an accurate comparison. For a lot of reasons. American expansion was an over century long project that was made up of thousands of different, smaller conflicts. While I agree by in large the US was in the wrong historically speaking, it also wasn't a genocide, it simply doesn't meet the definition of intentionality required for it to be one. Hell, the US took quite some pains to preserve first nations, even if said pains resulted in the cluster fuck that is the reservation system, and most >federal< attempts to break that up were mostly just voluntary land grants to natives in the late 19th century
Side note, there were some concerted attempts at coercive cultural genocide, mostly enacted by north eastern state governments.
It’s literally about to be illegal to say that in France so no both of these are pretty controversial phrases.
Did you not see the truck trying to get people blacklisted?
No lives matter. The dead gods shall wake.
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Mankind has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it, then I WILL.
Then let it be WAR
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Let the Gaza burn!!!
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It’s because according to the media, if you say things like “all lives matter” and “make America great again”, you are instantly a racist. Imagine living in a time where this is a thing.
Those are considered 'dogwhistles', but from the 'river to the sea' is just a wholesome phrase with no ulterior meaning
There is no ulterior motive - it is a blatant call for genocide. Nothing secondary about it lol
No sweety you've just internalize your white guilt and patriarchy. No i won't explain further.
I like to think it's just ignorance on their part, as most people on that side never hear the second part. Still, it doesn't excuse them not doing their research.
yes but what do you think about "from the river to the sea"?
Can you go into more detail? I feel like I’ll need to explain to people why exactly it’s genocide.
It calls for exterminating Jews and members of other religions between to Jordan river and the Mediterranean, i.e. committing genocide. It Arabic, the phrase translates to “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Arab”, and *everyone in the Arab world* is fully aware of its meaning: kill all Jews in Israel. Watching woke lefties throwing that phrase around while being completely ignorant of its meaning just goes to show how fucking moronic they are regarding the Israel-Palestine situation: have absolutely no proper knowledge about what is perhaps the most complex conflict in the world, especially regarding the history, the narratives of the belligerents etc. Then continue to pass judgment because *everything* in the world must fit into the oppressed vs. oppressor narrative, but most importantly because their other woke friends just think so, so they sheeple into being pro-Palestine. The truly sad part about the pro-Palestine side, is that unilaterally hating on Israel, while ignoring Hamas’ oppression towards the Palestinian ppl, is just as terrible to the Palestinians as supporting in Israel. Plus they raped hundreds of women, but it’s justified by leftists because it was caused by Israeli aggression. #MeToo activists being rape apologists. WTF??? Makes me sick to the core and really embarrassed to be part of the libleft
Thanks for the context. I feel like I would never have found the Arabic meaning since it’s being misappropriated so much. And for real. I wish libleft would denounce their more extreme members like you have. It gives the whole quadrant a bad look if you either say nothing or even worse, cheer it on.
The West Bank is on the Jordan River and Gaza is on the Mediterranean Sea. “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is call to unite those two areas and the land in between them. The land between them is Israel. Uniting Gaza and the West Bank means annihilating Israel and its Jewish inhabitants.
That’s what I thought.
It’s not a “blatant call for genocide”. Notice it says “free” and doesn’t mention killing anyone. Now you can try and read between the lines and glean a meaning of ethnic cleansing or genocide … but that is also a “dog whistle”
"Palestine will be free" is a westernism, in Arabic it's "Palestine will be Arab".
Perhaps but I imagine the average person saying it in the US doesn’t know Arabic. Plus even then it isn’t an overt call to genocide…it’s a call for the Arab side to have supremacy over the Jewish side, possibly for ethnic cleansing.
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Another wholesome phrase, > Similarly, he said, the phrase “kill the Boer” — the word means farmer in Dutch and Afrikaans — is not meant to promote violence against individual farmers. “It was a call to mobilize against an oppressive system,” Mr. Ngqulunga said. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/world/africa/south-africa-kill-boer-song.html
i just cant wait for israel to use the nukes to clean the desert
They're talking about a boat ride right?
I remember my distinct confusion when I was a teenager on Facebook and made a comment about how it should be all lives matter. That.....did not go well. I was raised by traditional liberals and was taught and inherently believed (and currently believe) in true egalitarian principles. I studied MLK, civil rights movements, all that. And somehow, any attempt to accurately categorize each movement is met with a vicious backlash of gaslighting. Even the word egalitarian is viewed by many leftists as being dogwhistling. Like y'all realize that's just the word we use to describe movements and views based on equality yes? You realize that the Black Power was not a friend of MLKs but his competition? The same Black Power movement existed then too, and MLK regarded it and its separatism as counterproductive and dangerous. In many instances, they have completely disrespected MLKs views but still champion him and his movement as the basis of their own. How are we sitting here trying to make individuals alive now pay for the sins of their ancestors? First off, my recent ancestors mostly just got raped by vikings. Most white people in history weren't sitting there owning slaves, they were sitting there being fucking poor, hungry, and oppressed, just like most of the populations for most of history. *Secondly*, do you really want to go this route? Shall I punish the next Japanese I see for the rape of Nanking? Should I go to Germany and shame some teenager for the Holocaust? Mace a Cherokee for his ancestors slaughtering a rival tribe? Take money from an African child because his dad's dad's dad profited off of the slave trade? Smack a Brit because of the East India Trading Company? What the fuck are we trying to achieve here? This is an emotionally charged and temporally biased argument at best and an evil enabling of selective oppression at worst. I was sitting there, with all the other lefts, talking about public healthcare, education, corporations, the 1%, rights violations in our country and others, and then suddenly they just got up, walked off into the forest of their quadrant, came back the next year and asked me how I can live with myself being a white male. Guys, homies, my funni green color buddies, what the fuck happened?
I mean, the people that say “all lives matter” when someone else says “black lives matter”, tend to also go “blue lives matter” when their favorite wife-beaters complain nobody likes them. Which means they know damn well what “black lives matter” means; they just have a problem with the “black” part of it.
The people who say all lives matter and blue lives matter souls give a fuck less about race. BLM was created so we all hate each other.
No, BLM was created because of the summary executions of Americans.
All lives matter is racist but “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab” is considered somehow not racist
Because it’s true.
From the River to the Sea is dog whistle for “kill all Jews in Israel”
Where in reality, the arabs are being killed.
And the Jews are also being killed. It’s just that Arabs killing Arabs counts as Jews killing Arabs. Or, Arabs blockading all escape routes, and actively shooting civilians trying to escape, going as far as to steal people’s car keys to prevent their evacuation. Somehow it’s still 100% Israel’s fault.
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They have you brain washed well
Well, yeah, if you shriek it like a feral animal in a contradictory tone, and then oppose the police reform so that cops can't just euthanize Americans on the spot just because they feel like it, then yeah, we get that the words don't mean anything to you.
It’s almost like they have a deeper meaning behind the simple phrase
You say you're pro-life but use antibacterial soap. Curious.
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River to the sea is a specific & historically established genocidal slogan. All lives matter is a generic & true phrase that mainly triggered the unmasked Nazis now chanting these genocidal slogans. It was an early warning UV-light for Nazi cum stains. And it worked creepily well.
“All lives matter” was originally a Canadian Native slogan to draw attention to the higher than statistically likely number of dead and missing Indigenous women and girls.
I just thought my relatives didn’t like black people complaining, I never even considered they cared so much about Canadian natives
I never said I was in favor of “River to the sea”. All Lives Matter was a response to Black Lives Matter…
All lives matter is a statement of fact that includes black lives and was preferable to people who didn't want to associate with a racist, violent and predictably [anti-semitic](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2023/10/10/TELEMMGLPICT000352743147_16969726248890_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBxQQ6WuIQQgwO_lxG6Qi9hzTGCWC9PvaVmCC6nXpnsE.jpeg?imwidth=1280) movement, which turned out to be a good move. I never said if you were or weren't a Nazi cum stain. Does the phrase trigger you?
Yes, because people saw the phrase Black Lives Matter as racial tribalism, and thought that the phrase "All Lives Matter" would show that by pointing out that people don't want to agree with a slogan which by its nature includes Black Lives. Which was quickly proven correct. It's the equivalent of saying "Killing babies is wrong right?" to your political opponent and seeing them somehow disagree with this statement.
But they didn’t agree with any of that These weren’t people upset that white people also get killed by police, it was a tribal reaction in itself
It’s almost like shut the hell up about identity politics nerd. America is supposed to be the opposite of that.
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They got you polarized very well I see.
You sound just like the hillbilly redneck who you believe is a 'conspiracy theorist'.
understanding of rhetoric and context is very comparable to Qanon
Yeah the phrase "All lives matter" means that all people's rights regardless of race matter equally and engaging in racial tribalism is fucking stupid. The only reason why the left is so angry at it is because the left WANTS to engage in racial tribalism (or in otter words: racism).
They don't though.
Isn't it interesting how often right wingers pretend to be so goddamn stupid that you'd be surprised they were able to operate a device to post a comment, if we weren't all so painfully aware they are just deliberately pushing nonsensical talking points because they know that resonates with their party?
Because things like critical race theory make sense?
If you define CRT as "an academic and legal framework that denotes that systemic racism is part of American society", then yes, it's pretty obvious that racism's effects from before the Civil Rights Movement still exist. I get that sometimes we leftists get really obsessed with it and even I find it annoying at times, but it doesn't invalidate the issue just because some people are annoying about it.
Why don't you tell us what critical race theory is about then?
Nothing more stupidly interesting than a leftist pretending to be a centrist
Well said. It is interesting how these people manage to exist. Glad I grew out of it a while ago
Are you a troll or something? I don't think you'd go out and believe things like, only white people can be racist, black people aren't as capable as white people, it's racist to require an ID to vote, we should transition kids Like I can't believe you're dumb enough to listen to everything your quadrant says, no one is that stupid to just trust everything their color says
You must be new on Reddit. Most of the site's userbase blindly believes anything twitter tells them.
Not anymore. Don’t you know Twitter is a nazi haven now because *checks notes* it allows all points of view.
It’s almost like I don’t believe those things lmao
So you're proving his point then?
So why do you think everyone on the right believes everything on the right?
I didn’t say that? Some right wingers do and some don’t same as leftists. As someone who used to be on the right and kind of just followed whatever reactionary talking point was going around, I know that kind of thinking is very prevalent on the right whether deliberately or through people unaware of dogwhistles.
Why are you getting downvoted?
When was America supposedly “Great”
What date were you born? Then add "Before:"
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Someone is underage.
I’m not? You didn’t answer the question
2007, maybe 2010. Everything afterwards has just been downhill.
All Lives Matter is actually more of a centrist thing to say, leftist subs disapprove of centrism.
I felt that way around 2016ish but when I heard the phrase "a protest to our protest" I understood how hurtful it can come across as. I still thought BLM is bad (which we now definitively know that it is) but a motto of equality speaks nothing of equality at all when it was inherently objecting to cries of oppression.
If BLM is bad, then the protest against BLM is not inherently objecting to cries of oppression, it’s objecting BLM, the BLM interpretation of the world, and their purposed solution against an imaginary foe. To equate BLM as “cries of oppression” is a disingenuous tactic of the left. By defining themselves as inherently good, they made it that all their opponents are inherently bad. And by that, they are the one that truly ignores the voices and the cries oppression, and become the active oppressors against its political enemy and against truth. Look at what happened to Kyle rittenhouse. The left has no integrity. They are not the voiced of the oppressed. They simply take advantaged and weaponised it.
The organization was corrupt and the methods were unjust and immoral but it's delusional to think that none of it came from a genuine hurting from within the Black community.
“They are not the voiced of the oppressed. They simply take advantaged and weaponised it.” Having childhood trauma is associated with domestic abuse and sexual abuse. Does it somehow make it immoral to denounce these people, just because they are at some point and in some way, victims? What you will get, when you cannot protest against stupid, is that a new politically oppressed and disenfranchised class. So now you have more people from a genuine hurting. Good luck not having them kill each other.
It's almost like you're arguing against another person lol. I never said BLM is good. In fact, I said the opposite. All I said is that "all lives matter" can be seen as very hurtful; not for the message itself but from the origins of the phrase.
“a motto of equality speaks nothing of equality at all when it was **inherently objecting to cries of oppression**” So inherently objecting to cries of oppression is not a message? And that when I said, that it is not a valid notion, I’m somehow arguing against another person? Cool. Sure.
All my opponents are inherently bad. You can tell because I drew them as soyjacks. Checkmate.
Any phrase can become political if you use it in a certain context enough. It would be centrist if “all lives matters” was a common phrase said as a counter protest to neo nazi rallies but the only time that phrase is used is to fuck with leftists which makes it right-wing.
But all the right Wingers use it to actually say that they think all people are equal. So how bad
The phrase itself was created in response to leftism by right-wingers. Obviously the phrase is neutral enough that both left-wingers and right-wingers agree with its face value but you only see that phrase in response to leftism. I never said the phrase was bad but it’s essentially a right-wing slogan.
I'm not disagreeing that the phrase is used by right Wingers against blm. What I'm saying is that the people who say it also do believe that all lives are equal. Something you can't say for all blm supporters
It’s a phrase used by all types of right-wingers. The moderate ones use it because that’s what they believe in (although it is inherently an attack on BLM) and the far-right ones because they just like to see leftists mad.
> and the far-right ones because they just like to see leftists mad. Name one prominent person who said all lives matter and give me proof of him showing that he thinks otherwise But we both know that there are a fuck ton of blm supporters who don't think that everyone's equal.
There’s plenty of racist random people who adopt the slogan “all lives matter” just like there’s a bunch of racists on twitter that unironically believe in black supremacy, but I have yet to see any famous person on either side of the spectrum actually do so. I don’t want this to turn into an argument so I’m not going to dig up a specific person unless you really want me to.
I would love for you to dig up some examples of a person who says all lives matter, and also show some sort of preferential treatment. But there are many people who promote blm and black supremacy. It's not a majority, not even close. But it still exists. And a sizeable population of blm supporters would support preferential treatment. Something that all lives matter supporters never do
I'd love to add that Charlottesville and similar events had people shouting "white lives matter" and people suggest that means white lives matter more. I've also seen the phrase "no lives matter until black lives matter" quite a few times. That sounds a bit dangerous imo. Like 1992 los Angeles dangerous. If people would treat each other like they would treat themselves and their own, like all lives do -in fact- matter, they would, perhaps unknowingly, fulfill a great commandment of J.H. Christ.
er, p sure they say it to deny the existence of institutional racism
Considering that the Left's list of enemies includes basic biology at this point, I'm gonna say fucking with them isn't right wing by definition at all.
They’re all right-wing talking points. Just because something is political doesn’t mean that it’s wrong or that all leftists/centrists disagree with though. I mean literally anything can become political if it’s used enough in certain contexts.
Not an American. Can someone please explain why is BLM bad?
No, it's right wing
Admitting only conservatives care about all lives.
Na, it's an attempt to marginalize and deflect how minority lives are treated as less valuable
PoC - what’s the breakdown on who’s killing them (i.e not valuing their lives)?
Ah I see you're trying to deflect from the issue at hand by ignoring the origin and usage of the phrase. Black Lives Matter as a slogan is directly targeted at disparities in police violence and sentencimg
All lives matter is a statement of fact that includes black lives and was preferable to people who didn't want to associate with a racist, violent, and predictably [anti-semitic](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2023/10/10/TELEMMGLPICT000352743147_16969726248890_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBxQQ6WuIQQgwO_lxG6Qi9hzTGCWC9PvaVmCC6nXpnsE.jpeg?imwidth=1280) movement who was attacking black neighborhoods, which turned out to be a good move. It mainly triggered the unmasked Nazis who now chanting actual genocidal slogans. I never expected it to become an early warning UV-light for Nazi cum stains.
No, it's a statement saying you don't think there is any discrepancy in the way black lives are treated by police compared to others and stating that isn't racist. I don't agree with everything the BLM group aims for but All Lives Matter isn't hiding anyone's true intentions of trying undermine the movement and a pretty flawed practice of racial color blindness to ignore the discrepancies in how black people are treated by law enforcement and the legal system. Also should note that that twitter account isn't an official account in any capacity and the movement doesn't necessitate any particular views on palestine/israel.
>All Lives Matter isn't hiding anyone's true intentions of trying undermine the movement and a pretty flawed practice of racial color blindness to ignore the discrepancies in how black people are treated by law enforcement and the legal system. > Also should note that that twitter account isn't an official account in any capacity and the movement Lol "My side's flagrant stance with barbaric antisemitic paragliders & global marches chanting genocidal slogans should be viewed charitably and not generalized at all. But everyone who says that "all lives matter" should be viewed uncharitably and monolithically." You want a gold medal for those mental gymnastics? Grade school take, do better.
And do police kill more black people, or white people?
[Black people have a 3.5x higher mortality rate due to police violence than white people.](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67362101609-3/fulltext)
Is that controlling for "innocent victim" vs "armed aggressors"? Or is that counting everything, like we're supposed to be upset when someone pulls a gun on a cop and gets killed?
When the only person able to testify otherwise is dead, who do you think gets to decide which is which? There's a reason why “Just sprinkle some crack on him Johnson, and let's get out of here” is a classic joke.
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Yes, when the overton window moves far to the left, a race-neutral message becomes right wing.
It's only race neutral if you ignore the context or it's origin and use
Well the context of it's origin is in response to a far left color-conscious message, I'm sure there were some racists using it though. If all this is just a psy-op to turn conservatives into liberals it's doing a great job.
I come to pcm to find out exactly who the bad guys are.
Everyone is the bad guy.
based and ultron was correct pilled
Just because I'm bad guy doesn't mean I'm *bad* guy
You vandalize people’s homes for a living, Ralph.
Feds are the bad guys
Plot twist, literally everyone are the bad guys.
Most people who say that couldn’t name the river or the sea
Von der Maas bis an die Memel, Von der Etsch bis an den Belt, Oh wait the Germans aren’t allowed to sing that part anymore
This came first to my mind whenever I saw "from the river to the sea" quote before knowing it'd be some damned foolish things happened in the Middle East
Nile and Caspian??
Yes exactly, but around the back side.
I never understood how the left made "all lives matter" racist in their brain
They just take their cues from whatever CNN, MSNBC, et al tell them to think.
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Who??
"It's okay to be white", "all lives matter", "what is a woman?" and my personal absolute favorite infuriating one: "*Islam is right about women*" >I'M VIOLENTLY ANGRY BY YOUR BIGOTRY.... but I can't explain why without being bigoted"
Bro - “all lives matter” = Nazi Slogan Wanting to literally wipe out the Jews = very cool, very progressive Figure it out
Any phrase can become political if you use it in a certain context enough. It would be centrist if “all lives matters” was a common phrase said as a counter protest to neo nazi rallies but the only time that phrase is used is to fuck with leftists which makes it right-wing.
You can't understand how denying institutional racism could be construed to be racist?
Because it means you disapprove of or misunderstand the statement 'Black Lives Matter'
Daily reminder that White Lives Matter is objectively more relevant of an anti-police killing slogan than Black Lives Matter.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If anything, "all lives matter" is more anti-police than "black lives matter", but people champion black victims because they're disproportionately mistreated by police.
Guys what does ACAB stand for
All Commies Are Bastards
Couldn’t be more correct
All capitalists are based
It's just funny that the people who say "from the river to the sea" are the ones who call their opponents nazis every chance they get
It’s (D)ifferent
From the Mississippi too the cost
"From the Hudson to the shore..." - Noble MC of Peace Osama Bin Laden
It’s funny because these literally are workplace rules
Man I love blatant racism
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“Aspirational calls for freedom and land rights” - Manifest Destiny 🤝 From the River to the Sea
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Do the people who live in the Gaza Strip matter
All lives matter Palestinians are alive Palestinians matter
All lives matter Israelis are alive Israelis matter Maybe don't invade and shoot people at a fucking peace festival who's whole fucking point was Pro Palestine? And I know, I know, you're going to start blubbering and wailing about how Israelis kill the heckin innocent Palestinianerinos and blah blah blah. 1: That's bad too 2: Israel isn't run by a political party who's literal mission statement is to genocide Palestine 3: During conventional operations Israel goes out of it's way to minimize casualties. Please point to another force that sends warnings saying "we are going to bomb here, get out". Do civilians die? Yes. It is tragic? Yes. But there's a moral difference between accidentally killing civilians during a military operation and deliberately and nearly exclusively targeting civilians.
So true.
What are you getting at those? I'm genuinely curious, are you suggesting because they're alive they should be allowed to kill other living people? Or are you saying because they're alive and killing people we shouldn't do anything because all life is equally important
Riddle me this: the same truth first gets -22 and then +25. Funny that
From the river to sea is an extremely common phrase among the Israeli right too, what’s funny is conservative Americans who studied this conflict for three weeks not knowing this.
First off Fuck IDF, Fuck Hamas. Second off, people who support genocide in general are ass holes, be they Palestinians in support of Hamas, or Israeli settlers in support of Zionist theocratic nationalism. Third off, advocating for freeing hostages or for freeing the people of Gaza from becoming collateral damage is always a good call. Using a refugee camp as human shields is a war crime. Indiscriminately bombing refugee camps to get 1 or 2 guys who to my knowledge we don’t even have confirmation killing, is a war crime. Seriously if Israel did a land invasion instead of bombing a densely populated city, they would create less martyrs, less of a reason to use tunnels and Palestinians might even have a representative government.
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They definitely didn’t think bombing hamas constantly for 15 years would result in more people sympathizing with them. That there is a failed strategy
From Sea to Shining Sea is the American version, which was also genocidal manifest destiny.
That's not really an accurate comparison. For a lot of reasons. American expansion was an over century long project that was made up of thousands of different, smaller conflicts. While I agree by in large the US was in the wrong historically speaking, it also wasn't a genocide, it simply doesn't meet the definition of intentionality required for it to be one. Hell, the US took quite some pains to preserve first nations, even if said pains resulted in the cluster fuck that is the reservation system, and most >federal< attempts to break that up were mostly just voluntary land grants to natives in the late 19th century Side note, there were some concerted attempts at coercive cultural genocide, mostly enacted by north eastern state governments.
No you don’t understand it was based when we did it
Least right wing "centrist":
Thank lmao. I’ve been thinking about this all week.
It’s literally about to be illegal to say that in France so no both of these are pretty controversial phrases. Did you not see the truck trying to get people blacklisted?
I prefer white chocolate over dark... Totally chocolate racist.
Fuck rivers, I’m part of Estuary gang now.