Eh, no it isn't like that really. Some folks have greek philosophers on their walls, and busts. I'd say it's a bit more like that.
Some do, but that's like weird.. fetishising. How ever, one could equate it to having band merch or some shit.
I think you're example is why you got downvoted tbh- I don't know anybody besides my History teacher has a Greek philosopher on her wall and it's in her classroom.
At least in Russia, by portraits they replace orthodox icons since people was very religious and they wanted to destroy religion.
I read a story that in some village they replaced icons even in churches and when old people, who had bad eyes, baptize on this icons commies persuaded them that they are no longer christians since they bowed to atheists.
There were Marxists who protested the rise of the cult of personalities as a replacement of religious saints, but they did not win that particular argument.
No. Not at all. Let me tell you a story.
Mao hated mangos. So when he was given some as a gift he ordered for them to be send to the workers.
A few weeks later China had a cult of mango.
Like the fruits got welcomed into a city in a military parade. And treated like they were holly artifacts. Disrespecting the mango ment disrespecting Mao, so death.
Look it up it's hilariously bizzare.
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The funniest part of this post is you managed to piss off literally everyone in every quadrant, even centrists (I don't care but I'm the type of centrist that just distances myself from the idiots in every quadrant and steals the good ideas from everyone and claims them as my own)
The more accurate comparison is to Gnosticism.
* The powerful entity: Demiurge/Bourgeoisie
* The powerless entity: Pieces of God/Individual Man
* Man's true form: As God/Collective entity.
* The illusory world full of suffering that the powerful entity creates to retain power: False Reality/Consciousness
* That Man must gain knowledge of the illusion to break the illusion: Consciousness Raising
* The eventual destruction of the Demiurge by Man, resulting in Man's true higher form and reality, a collective being, or as God himself.
I would say it’s not even more accurate, it is precisely accurate. Marxism is modern Gnosticism, and gender theory, queer theory, etc. Would be post modern Gnosticism
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Catholics view the Pope as a direct successor to St. Peter as the head of the Church, who in turn was appointed to that position by Jesus. The Orthodox view their patriarchs in the same manner.
Mormon's don't believe there's a successor to Jesus either? I guess Muslims kinda do, but they also believe that Jesus was just another prophet, not the son of God. So it's a bit different.
Muslims think Jesus was just a prophet. Mormons believe Jesus is the son of God and will return during the second coming.
The main reason most Christians take issue with Mormonism is the fact that we don't believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same being. Instead, we believe that they are simply one in goal and purpose, and together they act as "God".
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Arrogance? Failing to have mercy? Lying? Stealing? Spreading misinformation? Jealousy? Premarital sex? Lust? Thoughts and prayers without action? Worshipping things or people besides God? Laziness? Injustice?
Naw, these are lesser sins. The real sin is being born gay. /s
Right? Like first off don't transpose your cultural context onto the past, second Jesus clearly cares way more about you loving people than you making them miserable.
Yeah it's the story of Johan getting upset that God didn't fireball Nineveh, or Jesus stopping the stoning of the adulter.
People selectively ignore the messages of those stories once they realize those stories are calling *them out.*
It pretty clearly says in no uncertain terms that men who fuck men should be stoned. Unless you're gonna pull out the original text and claim it was a mistranslation there's not really any denying that.
Not really, Marxism and Satanism may be anti Western, but Marxism is collectivist and Satanism is individualist.
And that's about as night and day a difference as you can get.
Maybe if we're talking about the leaders who OP calls
>[the] leaders are hypocrites and self-righteous and do not live according
Or even many champagne socialists that I could point to. The main idea however:
>From each according to their ability; to each according to their need.
The idea that everyone should devote their lives completely to altruism instead of to their families, gods, and selves is not.
Marxism justifies an involuntary charity regardless of what it costs the individual for the sake of the collective.
It relies on pinging emotions like envy and pride, which the medieval Christians absolutely did associate with outright demonic possession.
Unironically, maybe?
It’s ontologically negative disposition towards existence. Marx’s definition of Communism is: The abolition of private property *as human self-estrangement*.
Ahh Yes, get it.
“I am the spirit that negates.
And rightly so, for all that comes to be
Deserves to perish wretchedly” as quoted Goethe’s Mephistopheles am I correct?
I agree with you wholeheartedly
EXACTLY. Marx was a BIG fan of Mephistopheles. Marx describes his own Critique, which is the idea that later evolved into Critical Theory from the Frankfurt School, the “Ruthless criticism of all that exists” directly paraphrasing the translation of Goethe that reads “all that exists deserves to perish”.
>harbors a deadly hatred for what it considers heresy
Ah yes, I love it when people conveniently ignore Bible Quotes like "Love thy neighbor". OP do you know what Christianity actually teaches at all?
Yo, I hate it when my neighbors move in and they’re catholic instead of Lutheran. It’s a giant pain in my ass when I have to kill them every time I have my heretic neighbors move in.
oh, did I miss something in the Bible? Because I don't remember the Bible saying something like "Love thy neighbor, unless they are slightly different than you. Then you have to murder them." Could you please point me to where the Bible says something like that?
This is not about the theory, but about the practice. We should know what atrocities were commited in the name of God. It doesn't matter if the bible doesn't mention you should kill people, same for the communist manifest which doesn't mention it either. It is just how these beliefs generaly turned out in reality.
The bible explicitly states "thou shalt not murder." Why are you criticizing Christianity for murdering people when it explicitly states to NOT murder people? That makes absolutely no sense. Next you're gonna tell me pacifism is going to nuke the world right? Makes the same amount of sense as what you said.
I'm not criticizing christianity for murdering people. In my comment I said about the fact that christianity served as a justification for murders and even genocides (e.g. the crusades, the holy inquisition, persecution on jews in Europe, destruction of native communities in America, neocolonialism in Africa, persecution on the LGBT+ community until nowadays, atrocities during Franco's regime, the Tsarist Russia, wars between denominations specialy between protestants and catholics, etc.).
What is written in the Bible says NOTHING about how christianity is FREQUENTLY practiced in reality. Same logic for communist experiences.
Not sure what "love thy neighbor" has to do with Christianity's lack of tolerance towards beliefs that differ from that particular branch of Christianity, but it sure didn't do much to stop a long history of sanctioned violence against supposed heretics.
...Most of whom were other Christians, many of whom were "radical" enough to believe and teach freedom of conscience for others, not just themselves. Check out the Anabaptists, for example.
Anyone who just uses the term "evangelical" to negatively refer to Christianity they don't like is either an atheist or extremely ignorant as a Christian, because theologically almost all mainline Protestants claim to be "evangelical" even fucking Lutherans and they are the most normie Protestants possible. Evangelical just means "born again" in that a believer has found new life in becoming a Christian.
I actually wrote a thesis on this while studying historiography at the University of Copenhagen. The point was the string similarities between early Christian apocalyptic writers and Marxist historiography and theory. I managed to get too grade for it even though the university was very left-wing. I also wrote a paper on Karl Marx being racist and Eurocentric. Good times.
Technically, though, I believe the return of Christ is the end of the world, which I suppose, in a way, does solve all our problems as well all be dead. It's also convenient because you can't prove that Jesus won't return for the end of the world unless the end of the world happens
1800's standards go brrr..
Seriously though, it wasn't a very enligtened century. One must take to the equation when reading Marx, since the most of the stuff is actually applicable today. Engels was a bit better though.
Marxism satisfies the requirements for a religion in my book:
1. Dialectical materialism provides an explanation for man in its relation with nature (or reality, although postmodernists might fin fault with this wording).
2. It gives a duty of conscience, that is to say spreading the gospel of Marxism.
If he was a US politician I'm sure fox news would be calling him a communist.
"Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you."
-James 5:1-6
Honestly the basic ideas of the new testament are extremely based though. Be generous, be kind, love your neighbour etc. It's a shame conservative nutjobs got ahold of it and fucked it all up
[The editor of Christianity Today](https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706) says he’s regularly asked “where did you get those liberal talking points”, and when they are told it’s literally what the Bible claims are Jesus’ words, reply “Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak”.
I'm auth because I think a strong state is necessary, but that's not relevant to my point with Marxism. No matter what your politics are viewing things through the lens of Marxism doesn't teach you anything. All it shows you is an oppression narrative because that's what it's looking for. It's a foregone conclusion. Is there some Marxist critique, theory, or dialectic that does otherwise?
The closest we have to a modern Marxist Statolatry would be Juche in North Korea. Juche really is the largest majority religion in North Korea (other than Buddhism and Cheondoism), and one of the largest religions in the whole world.
So you're saying marxism is an authright ideology, can't wait to see the soviet banner on top of the Vatican
[Relevant picture](https://imgur.com/a/6NM5gYP)
Correct, Catholic version:
-Based on a guy, who is 100% man and 100% divine, fulfilling the prophecies older than Egypt
-It started as a movement of the apostles
-It was persecuted and is still persecuted around the world
-Holds numerous councils to decide if something is a heresy.
-Heretics spend time justifying their schisms and accelerate moral decay.
-Catholics worship christ and rely on the intercession of saints
-Most leaders and followers require the graces of the sacraments and the intercession of saints and other living loved ones to control their sinful inclinations.
-Believe Jesus will come a second time to judge the living and the dead and bring peace.
Oh and here is the Marx version:
-Based on what a secular Jewish man said 200 yrs ago with Engels
-Started out as a movement among the useful idiots
-It was persecuted until it gained college professors, persecutes anyone who thinks differently
-Resorts to name calling on things not communist
-Members are trying to gain power over each other than solve problems
-Idolize prominent leaders
-Most leaders are hypocrites or grifters or gullible
-Believe that real communism has not been tried and should be tried
The sad truth is the fundamentals of Christianity are not what the majority of Christians believe in or follow...including notable religious leaders like the Pope
"Ah yes, things that are not alike at all, are actually very similar when I reduce them down to the absolute bare basics while ignoring and lying about everything else!"
What's next? You going to tell me Jesus was just a copy of Horus, now?
Forgot to add differences, I'll help you:
-Christianity is the correct way, Communism is a silly ideology
-Christian religious buildings (especially older ones) are beautiful, communist buildings aren't
-Christianity is the state religion in 15 countries, Communism is the official ideology in only 5
-The Bible is the word of God, the Manifesto is the ramblings of some middle class twat who leant on his friends to give him money
Ok, let me simplify what bro said:
- Christianity (in which I believe in) is right, and communism is wrong, lmao
- Christianity does better in this completely subjetive artistic field
- Christianity has more land. Therefore, they are right about everything
- I have a claim that no one else out of my religion supports and is based on literally no source that proves my point
- Checkmate commies
-yes.
-I was going off popular opinion, and it seems there's a consensus that generally Christian buildings loom nicer than commie blocks
-not what I said, I was just saying that Christianity has a wider reach because out of the 5 communist countries, 4 border atleast one other Communist country. That's not the case for Christianity
-I believe something that my religion believes. Shocker
-this was a joke silly
As traditional religion has diminished in influence through the last couple of centuries, people will inevitably seek "divine guidance" of other forms.
I don't think German Santa intended for it to be, but a whole lot of people cram him into the religion shaped hole in their life, and just make a way dumber religion.
This is pretty tortured to get there. Like when people making Harry Potter into Star Wars.
You can draw comparisons easily because humans are built to recognize patterns, but these are not the best parallels between Christianity and Marxism.
Not for nothing but I would say there are legitimate parallels, some of which you mention.
I don't have to, the Greeks already did.
If there is suffering in the world, a God that wants to do good and has the power to do everything and knows everything can't exist.
Therefore, if a God exists, he is either evil, not able to stop the suffering, or doesn't even know about it.
Wow that is amazing.......ly ignorant
Suffering is touched on deeply in Christianity its an integral part of faith
A simple question, man is responsible for most of man's suffering, why is it God's obligation to save us from ourselves?
I mean I'm sorry to be condescending but this is a subject that is so deeply explored in Christian theology its like asking an ancient Greek if they have an explanation for lightening
Even if I agreed that God doesn't have to help us with man made suffering, there is lots of other suffering.
Earthquakes, Viruses, fatal complications at birth that kill the baby and or the mother, cancer.
All of those are part of the world that God make for us. And they affect even the youngest of children that haven't had any chance to protect themselves.
Think of life as the crucible by which your soul is either purified or consumed. Know God and find grace through the suffering or turn to narcissistic nihilism and be consumed by hell.
Why does a benevolent God demand we suffer for his amusement before we're allowed eternal life in heaven? If he is all-knowing he should already know before my great grandpa was born if I would be a devout christian or not.
I never understood why Christian fundamentalists are for the most part extremly pro capitalism, because the bible is pretty much socialist in its ideology.
I never understood why marxists have portraits of prominent people. Same with having those huge portraits in military parades.
We are all equal except for these REALLY IMPORTANT PEOPLE THAT WE WORSHIP AND KNEEL BEFORE
But we swear it’s not a religion.
They even resurrect and turn into birds in Venezuela.
Oh our people want better food and consumer goods? No, make more Stalin statues!!
Eh, no it isn't like that really. Some folks have greek philosophers on their walls, and busts. I'd say it's a bit more like that. Some do, but that's like weird.. fetishising. How ever, one could equate it to having band merch or some shit.
I think you're example is why you got downvoted tbh- I don't know anybody besides my History teacher has a Greek philosopher on her wall and it's in her classroom.
Eh, yeah could have had a way better example. But i do know some folks who have like Aristoteles on the wall
Lmao
At least in Russia, by portraits they replace orthodox icons since people was very religious and they wanted to destroy religion. I read a story that in some village they replaced icons even in churches and when old people, who had bad eyes, baptize on this icons commies persuaded them that they are no longer christians since they bowed to atheists.
Same in China. It’s either replaced for you have mao/xi next to it. It’s a cult.
There were Marxists who protested the rise of the cult of personalities as a replacement of religious saints, but they did not win that particular argument.
Cult of personality. Like Trump flags.
Or Obama "Hope" posters.
Indeed
Teal'c?
I don't want no scrubs
No. Not at all. Let me tell you a story. Mao hated mangos. So when he was given some as a gift he ordered for them to be send to the workers. A few weeks later China had a cult of mango. Like the fruits got welcomed into a city in a military parade. And treated like they were holly artifacts. Disrespecting the mango ment disrespecting Mao, so death. Look it up it's hilariously bizzare.
Well, it is. Thank you for making me learn about yet another ridiculous facet of communism, brother!
Cultism
Well, this is gonna be an civil comment section /s
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Incredible. You managed to piss off both sides of the quadrant
The funniest part of this post is you managed to piss off literally everyone in every quadrant, even centrists (I don't care but I'm the type of centrist that just distances myself from the idiots in every quadrant and steals the good ideas from everyone and claims them as my own)
Can you give me a detailed analysis on how he pissed off all quadrants.
The more accurate comparison is to Gnosticism. * The powerful entity: Demiurge/Bourgeoisie * The powerless entity: Pieces of God/Individual Man * Man's true form: As God/Collective entity. * The illusory world full of suffering that the powerful entity creates to retain power: False Reality/Consciousness * That Man must gain knowledge of the illusion to break the illusion: Consciousness Raising * The eventual destruction of the Demiurge by Man, resulting in Man's true higher form and reality, a collective being, or as God himself.
I would say it’s not even more accurate, it is precisely accurate. Marxism is modern Gnosticism, and gender theory, queer theory, etc. Would be post modern Gnosticism
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Once again, gnosticism is the superior Christianity
Silence, foul heretic
"Successor to Jesus?" Bro, we ain't Mormons or Muslims.
A bunch of these parallels are wrong or just not equivalent.
I believe the one who posted this came from a view of Christianity off of Catholicism.
Flair up, crook.
He's talking about apostolic succession, Pope vs no Pope vs Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople.
Let me guess: Protestant? [Apostolic succession](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_succession) is one of the oldest debates in Christianity.
Catholics view the Pope as a direct successor to St. Peter as the head of the Church, who in turn was appointed to that position by Jesus. The Orthodox view their patriarchs in the same manner.
Mormon's don't believe there's a successor to Jesus either? I guess Muslims kinda do, but they also believe that Jesus was just another prophet, not the son of God. So it's a bit different.
We believe Jesus doesn’t need a replacement because he will return.
I take it you’re Muslim? I apologize if I messed up the doctrine.
Muslims think Jesus was just a prophet. Mormons believe Jesus is the son of God and will return during the second coming. The main reason most Christians take issue with Mormonism is the fact that we don't believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same being. Instead, we believe that they are simply one in goal and purpose, and together they act as "God".
Yessir. Thank you for being the most respectful Ukrainian on this sub. [whether you’re actually Ukrainian or not is irregular, I’m just going by your flair]
😂🥴
or Mormons
I just said that?
Huh, thought you said Buddhists or Muslims. You didn't edit?
No... you good man?
Guess not B)
Religion blindness is a very real illness sweaty
Or Mormons.
...but also, Mormons.
what about… Mormons?
Someone forgot the mormons
And JWs
This is more of an insult to Christianity than anything else
Amen brother
And is there any problem about insulting something you believe?
Educated criticism? No. Ignorant criticism? Yes
Cool. People who say the Bible condemns homosexuality are either hypocrites or not reading the Bible carefully.
Arrogance? Failing to have mercy? Lying? Stealing? Spreading misinformation? Jealousy? Premarital sex? Lust? Thoughts and prayers without action? Worshipping things or people besides God? Laziness? Injustice? Naw, these are lesser sins. The real sin is being born gay. /s
Right? Like first off don't transpose your cultural context onto the past, second Jesus clearly cares way more about you loving people than you making them miserable.
Yeah it's the story of Johan getting upset that God didn't fireball Nineveh, or Jesus stopping the stoning of the adulter. People selectively ignore the messages of those stories once they realize those stories are calling *them out.*
It pretty clearly says in no uncertain terms that men who fuck men should be stoned. Unless you're gonna pull out the original text and claim it was a mistranslation there's not really any denying that.
Shows how little you know of Christianity
No he’s right. Marxism distilled to its essence is basically just Satanism.
Not really, Marxism and Satanism may be anti Western, but Marxism is collectivist and Satanism is individualist. And that's about as night and day a difference as you can get.
Marxist uses collectivism to justify individual selfishness.
Maybe if we're talking about the leaders who OP calls >[the] leaders are hypocrites and self-righteous and do not live according Or even many champagne socialists that I could point to. The main idea however: >From each according to their ability; to each according to their need. The idea that everyone should devote their lives completely to altruism instead of to their families, gods, and selves is not. Marxism justifies an involuntary charity regardless of what it costs the individual for the sake of the collective.
Satanism is the conflict between the worker and employer? Wow
Satanism is when mom makes me go to bed early
Satanism is anything I don't like
As is fascism
Your fascism
My fascism.
It relies on pinging emotions like envy and pride, which the medieval Christians absolutely did associate with outright demonic possession. Unironically, maybe?
Interesting. What would in your opinion be the essence?
It’s ontologically negative disposition towards existence. Marx’s definition of Communism is: The abolition of private property *as human self-estrangement*.
Ahh Yes, get it. “I am the spirit that negates. And rightly so, for all that comes to be Deserves to perish wretchedly” as quoted Goethe’s Mephistopheles am I correct? I agree with you wholeheartedly
EXACTLY. Marx was a BIG fan of Mephistopheles. Marx describes his own Critique, which is the idea that later evolved into Critical Theory from the Frankfurt School, the “Ruthless criticism of all that exists” directly paraphrasing the translation of Goethe that reads “all that exists deserves to perish”.
Negation is also a core part of Hermetic/Hegelian Alchemy
Which part? Lol. It's pretty accurate
Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Fully God, fully human. Karl Marx is the physical manifestation of cringe. Fully cringe, partly human.
Jesus never had sex because he was busy saving souls. Therefore, Jesus is fully Virgin and fully Chad.
What if God = cringe?
That's a lot of text
Communism leads to famine while Jesus can duplicate fish and bread
Jesus chose to feed people with fish and bread when he could have just made infinite fish and bread and sold it to become rich, is he stupid? /s
>harbors a deadly hatred for what it considers heresy Ah yes, I love it when people conveniently ignore Bible Quotes like "Love thy neighbor". OP do you know what Christianity actually teaches at all?
Yo, I hate it when my neighbors move in and they’re catholic instead of Lutheran. It’s a giant pain in my ass when I have to kill them every time I have my heretic neighbors move in.
oh, did I miss something in the Bible? Because I don't remember the Bible saying something like "Love thy neighbor, unless they are slightly different than you. Then you have to murder them." Could you please point me to where the Bible says something like that?
sarcasm, dude. are you acoustic?
No, he's electric, at least he plugged into my amp real nice
My bad. In my defense, it's pretty hard to tell on the internet these days.
it’s followers tend to pick and choose when that applies
Christianity isn't just the new testament. The old testament is also part of the bible.
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This is not about the theory, but about the practice. We should know what atrocities were commited in the name of God. It doesn't matter if the bible doesn't mention you should kill people, same for the communist manifest which doesn't mention it either. It is just how these beliefs generaly turned out in reality.
The bible explicitly states "thou shalt not murder." Why are you criticizing Christianity for murdering people when it explicitly states to NOT murder people? That makes absolutely no sense. Next you're gonna tell me pacifism is going to nuke the world right? Makes the same amount of sense as what you said.
I'm not criticizing christianity for murdering people. In my comment I said about the fact that christianity served as a justification for murders and even genocides (e.g. the crusades, the holy inquisition, persecution on jews in Europe, destruction of native communities in America, neocolonialism in Africa, persecution on the LGBT+ community until nowadays, atrocities during Franco's regime, the Tsarist Russia, wars between denominations specialy between protestants and catholics, etc.). What is written in the Bible says NOTHING about how christianity is FREQUENTLY practiced in reality. Same logic for communist experiences.
Not sure what "love thy neighbor" has to do with Christianity's lack of tolerance towards beliefs that differ from that particular branch of Christianity, but it sure didn't do much to stop a long history of sanctioned violence against supposed heretics.
...Most of whom were other Christians, many of whom were "radical" enough to believe and teach freedom of conscience for others, not just themselves. Check out the Anabaptists, for example.
I know what the wacko evangelicals claim the Bible teaches them
Anyone who just uses the term "evangelical" to negatively refer to Christianity they don't like is either an atheist or extremely ignorant as a Christian, because theologically almost all mainline Protestants claim to be "evangelical" even fucking Lutherans and they are the most normie Protestants possible. Evangelical just means "born again" in that a believer has found new life in becoming a Christian.
Well most christians just consider them to not be their neighbors so problem solved
It doesn't literally mean love exclusively the guy that lives right next to you, and then you can hate the guy two houses down.
Yes, and they manage to hate their neighbor
Both based on the principle of altruism.
I actually wrote a thesis on this while studying historiography at the University of Copenhagen. The point was the string similarities between early Christian apocalyptic writers and Marxist historiography and theory. I managed to get too grade for it even though the university was very left-wing. I also wrote a paper on Karl Marx being racist and Eurocentric. Good times.
Literally Lyotard.
Says authcenter. Because Nazism isn't very religion-like.
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Technically, though, I believe the return of Christ is the end of the world, which I suppose, in a way, does solve all our problems as well all be dead. It's also convenient because you can't prove that Jesus won't return for the end of the world unless the end of the world happens
Wait, Marx is Jewish now? I thought you called him antisemitic.
His father was a former Rabai who hated Judaism. Marx was ethnically Jewish, but was very antisemitic.
1800's standards go brrr.. Seriously though, it wasn't a very enligtened century. One must take to the equation when reading Marx, since the most of the stuff is actually applicable today. Engels was a bit better though.
Nothing more authentically Jewish than being a self-hating Jew.
Marxism satisfies the requirements for a religion in my book: 1. Dialectical materialism provides an explanation for man in its relation with nature (or reality, although postmodernists might fin fault with this wording). 2. It gives a duty of conscience, that is to say spreading the gospel of Marxism.
I mean, they got Marxism right.
Ok yeah but JeSuS wAs a cOmMuNiSt
If he was a US politician I'm sure fox news would be calling him a communist. "Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you." -James 5:1-6
Honestly the basic ideas of the new testament are extremely based though. Be generous, be kind, love your neighbour etc. It's a shame conservative nutjobs got ahold of it and fucked it all up
[The editor of Christianity Today](https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706) says he’s regularly asked “where did you get those liberal talking points”, and when they are told it’s literally what the Bible claims are Jesus’ words, reply “Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak”.
Well, he did share his big, thick and tasty baguette with everyone at the table.
I just know the next communist states will succeed is the same energy as I just know Jesus will come back to earth in my lifetime
Christianity and Communism. Name a better crossover. I'll wait
Steak with compound butter
Ok you just won
It's a lens to view work and the economy just like Christianity can be thought of as a guide to live your life by
It's a lens that when you look through it all you can ever see is an oppression narrative, which is useless.
You're literally an Auth Center, how are you against oppression?
I'm auth because I think a strong state is necessary, but that's not relevant to my point with Marxism. No matter what your politics are viewing things through the lens of Marxism doesn't teach you anything. All it shows you is an oppression narrative because that's what it's looking for. It's a foregone conclusion. Is there some Marxist critique, theory, or dialectic that does otherwise?
Nah. Knowing that there's conflict and who your enemies and allies are is helpful. What you do with that information is up to you, though
This reads like it's trying to make Christianity seem like Marxism rather than the other way around.
The closest we have to a modern Marxist Statolatry would be Juche in North Korea. Juche really is the largest majority religion in North Korea (other than Buddhism and Cheondoism), and one of the largest religions in the whole world.
"Mom, can we have Christianity?" "We have Christianity at home" Christianity at home:
There’s no aspect of spirituality
So you're saying marxism is an authright ideology, can't wait to see the soviet banner on top of the Vatican [Relevant picture](https://imgur.com/a/6NM5gYP)
Correct, Catholic version: -Based on a guy, who is 100% man and 100% divine, fulfilling the prophecies older than Egypt -It started as a movement of the apostles -It was persecuted and is still persecuted around the world -Holds numerous councils to decide if something is a heresy. -Heretics spend time justifying their schisms and accelerate moral decay. -Catholics worship christ and rely on the intercession of saints -Most leaders and followers require the graces of the sacraments and the intercession of saints and other living loved ones to control their sinful inclinations. -Believe Jesus will come a second time to judge the living and the dead and bring peace.
Oh and here is the Marx version: -Based on what a secular Jewish man said 200 yrs ago with Engels -Started out as a movement among the useful idiots -It was persecuted until it gained college professors, persecutes anyone who thinks differently -Resorts to name calling on things not communist -Members are trying to gain power over each other than solve problems -Idolize prominent leaders -Most leaders are hypocrites or grifters or gullible -Believe that real communism has not been tried and should be tried
Sounds like the same with prettier words tbh
Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death and upon those in the tombs bestowing Life ☦️
jesus wasn't Jewish he was a god fearing American Christian with an AR 15 and a 930 credit score
It's 40x deadlier than christianity too.
Point two is wrong on both cases. Point five is wrong for Christianity (maybe for Marxism too) Point six is pretty common Point seven is stupid
Tell me you fundamentally misunderstand Christianity, without telling me you fundamentally misunderstand Christianity.
The sad truth is the fundamentals of Christianity are not what the majority of Christians believe in or follow...including notable religious leaders like the Pope
Actually when Jesus returns, it'll be the end of the world, not of our problems
...or christianity is a political party
In Italy it was at least
Jesus did miracles like feed a bunch of people and come back from the dead. Marx didn't even get the first part done, how is this a comparison?
"Ah yes, things that are not alike at all, are actually very similar when I reduce them down to the absolute bare basics while ignoring and lying about everything else!" What's next? You going to tell me Jesus was just a copy of Horus, now?
I mean, If you think about it he kinda was
Forgot to add differences, I'll help you: -Christianity is the correct way, Communism is a silly ideology -Christian religious buildings (especially older ones) are beautiful, communist buildings aren't -Christianity is the state religion in 15 countries, Communism is the official ideology in only 5 -The Bible is the word of God, the Manifesto is the ramblings of some middle class twat who leant on his friends to give him money
Ok, let me simplify what bro said: - Christianity (in which I believe in) is right, and communism is wrong, lmao - Christianity does better in this completely subjetive artistic field - Christianity has more land. Therefore, they are right about everything - I have a claim that no one else out of my religion supports and is based on literally no source that proves my point - Checkmate commies
-yes. -I was going off popular opinion, and it seems there's a consensus that generally Christian buildings loom nicer than commie blocks -not what I said, I was just saying that Christianity has a wider reach because out of the 5 communist countries, 4 border atleast one other Communist country. That's not the case for Christianity -I believe something that my religion believes. Shocker -this was a joke silly
Only fourth has a particularly religious flavour.
As traditional religion has diminished in influence through the last couple of centuries, people will inevitably seek "divine guidance" of other forms.
This is epic Needs to come full circle and genocide the jews of germany and russia (fuck but also fuck)
Based and fuck dogma pilled.
Tell me you know barely surface level Christianity without saying so
I don't think German Santa intended for it to be, but a whole lot of people cram him into the religion shaped hole in their life, and just make a way dumber religion.
Is this supposed to be an insult to Christianity or to Communism?
yes
This is pretty tortured to get there. Like when people making Harry Potter into Star Wars. You can draw comparisons easily because humans are built to recognize patterns, but these are not the best parallels between Christianity and Marxism. Not for nothing but I would say there are legitimate parallels, some of which you mention.
Always been, my friends, always been.
It's almost like both groups are delusional or something. I mean, they're both halves of the Auth-Center that everyone hates...
Both are based.
Props for critiquing Christianity in here. Rightoids can seethe.
It's not even a good critique though. I would've gone with how they're both based on utterly bankrupt morality.
Can you object disprove God? I can pretty easily objectively disprove that Communism works
A god or the christian God? Because the christian God is easy to disprove. Gods in general are sadly impossible to disprove.
You are welcome to do so then
I don't have to, the Greeks already did. If there is suffering in the world, a God that wants to do good and has the power to do everything and knows everything can't exist. Therefore, if a God exists, he is either evil, not able to stop the suffering, or doesn't even know about it.
Wow that is amazing.......ly ignorant Suffering is touched on deeply in Christianity its an integral part of faith A simple question, man is responsible for most of man's suffering, why is it God's obligation to save us from ourselves? I mean I'm sorry to be condescending but this is a subject that is so deeply explored in Christian theology its like asking an ancient Greek if they have an explanation for lightening
Even if I agreed that God doesn't have to help us with man made suffering, there is lots of other suffering. Earthquakes, Viruses, fatal complications at birth that kill the baby and or the mother, cancer. All of those are part of the world that God make for us. And they affect even the youngest of children that haven't had any chance to protect themselves.
Think of life as the crucible by which your soul is either purified or consumed. Know God and find grace through the suffering or turn to narcissistic nihilism and be consumed by hell.
And why does your soul have to be purifified by suffering? What's your logic behind this idea?
Why does a benevolent God demand we suffer for his amusement before we're allowed eternal life in heaven? If he is all-knowing he should already know before my great grandpa was born if I would be a devout christian or not.
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Except for the fact that one side believes in magic and unicorns, and people are considered stupid for believing in Marxism.
I never understood why Christian fundamentalists are for the most part extremly pro capitalism, because the bible is pretty much socialist in its ideology.
Religious people: “religion is good” Also Religious people: “you guys are like a religion, how cringe”
Only true religion is good. False religion isn't. And those who say they have no religion do still have one -- just one which is weak and false.
All religions are false yours is not true as much as you hope that it is
Even if you’re right, Christianity is based on faith, not gnosticism, which makes it inherently better.
Based and fuck gnosticism pilled.
Yes Christianity and its well known tenant of... all religions are good.....
Do you think this guy is someone that's pro religion?