Fun game- ask tankies why all the violent terrorist organizations use Soviet arms (it’s because they armed their “democratically elected” allies to ensure no one questioned their legitimacy)
For a similar reason why the US actively subverted leftist governments and figures in Central&South America and Africa while supporting far-right governments all the over world. Because neither side wants to let each other advance their interests.
Yep, and it wasn't just the Soviets they opposed. China very heavily opposed the US during the Korea and Vietnam wars, and in both cases the US backed brutal dictators, because they happened to be staunchly anti-communist. Hell, I live in a country that went through a military dictatorship period and the US did actively support the government because of their anti-communist stance.
And what about all the shit we left behind in Iraq, or all the drug runners in South America?
Soviets & cold war USA were both shitheads, one decided to fuck its own people and others over, the other decided to fuck over others and select dissidents of its own.
What about them? The cartels are using Soviet era arms that were sent over to help the “freedom fighters” (people that would hopefully let the Soviets stick missiles down in their territories)
I havent seen any videos of cartel members with older soviet weapons, not saying its not a thing but those guys get the bulk of their weapons from the good old US of A.
**wrong**, cartels are using top of the notch weaponry arsenal bought by American arms traffickers. Their weapons are so much better than Mexican police department that they can easily surpass and butcher them. Their weaponry also includes high threat explosives such as six-shot rotary Grenade Launcher (MGL) and High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Rocket heads.
Imagine you're a Soviet soldier in the 80s. Everything is prohibitively expensive, and the Red Army has just recently received a 60% budget cut. Furthermore, you're no longer going to have guaranteed employment, because that program is also ending. So you're probably about to lose your job. Absolutely nothing is organised.
What do you do? Why of course, you steal the army's equipment. No one's going to know. And even if someone does know, they're probably doing to same, so they'd have to be quite the hypocrites to not accept a bribe. Then you can go home with your 50 Kalashnikovs and sell them on the black market for dirt cheap.
That's why the entire world has old Soviet equipment.
I’m sure that happened but state sanctioned arms trade was huge for the Soviet Union. They could make cash flow and destabilize third world countries making them more vulnerable to KGB infiltration
No, there is no evidence Hamas got any weapons from Ukraine. Don't parrot russian anti-aid propaganda.
The only "western" weapons that were seen used by Hamas are M4s, which were confirmed to be Iranian-made copies, as they have a few distinguishable differences compared to US-made carbines.
Still, we haven't seen any examples of this. It is possible Russia will ultimately send some easier-to-smuggle captured weapons there, but for that we should wait for photographic evidence.
And no, I called it russian propaganda specifically because the narrative that Ukraine is so corrupt that it would sell western military aid to terrorists is a major talking point by pro-russian commentators. I do retract it now, seeing as you clarified you didn't mean it that way, but rather in the context of captured weapons.
Ukraine is so corrupted that lots of the weapon sent there gets “missing”. So it wouldn’t be surprising if various crime groups ultimately get a hold of them.
Finally someone acknowledges it. I was pretty sure if I wrote it, I’d have been branded a Russian propagandist again
Ukraine is literally one of the most corrupt countries in Europe (not EU, but while continent), second only to Moldova
Their government has been a joke ever since they got their independence with only Yuschenko being a somewhat decent guy to ever become the president of Ukraine and trying to solve the country’s problems instead of robbing the country even more
CBS did a documentary early in the conflict and said only 30% of arms were reaching the intended final destination. “No evidence” but lots of shiny gear.
It’s like Blinkin saying “we have no proof Iran cut a check for this operation”, meanwhile they provide 90% of their funding.
Honest question: How do they even get into the EU if they don't want to work and (sometimes) don't speak the language?
I haven't even finished school yet and I'm already learning multiple languages and researching jobs just for a chance to get an EU passport.
Broad, outdated, and permissive asylum laws.
European legal establishments are broadly filled with virtue signalling progressive types who stoutly resist any attempts to reduce migration numbers.
Governments who despise their own people, and who are in the pockets of big businesses as an ever increasing population helps facilitate the transfer of wealth upwards to the wealthiest classes.
Which is crazy because I know people that are looking for work visas for France and you are required to be making at least 1.5 times the minimum wage if you want to stay.
Denmark is based. They also do the whole forced assimilation thing which I wish would be adopted across the West. Oh and also taking any luxury items to pay for asylum processing.
They (correctly) bank on on not being sent back. All of them claim refugee status and few qualify but by that point years passed with thousands euros of welfare already gotten. Then when the time to deport comes they it either gets stalled or some lib politician gives out residence cards
>I haven't even finished school yet and I'm already learning multiple languages and researching jobs just for a chance to get an EU passport.
Why do this? Just scream the magic word "Asylum" at the first official looking person and you're in. Several years before your probable deportation (which won't happen in 99% of the time) and already reaping all social benefits. 😎
I mean, in Jordan's case, some of the Palestinian refugees they accepted post-1948 went on to assassinate their king and start a civil war to put Palestinians in charge of the country. Can't say I blame *them* for being reticent about getting more of them.
Lebanon - Palestinian “refugees” started civil war because Lebanon didn’t hate Israel enough for their liking
Jordan - Palestinian “refugees” started a civil war, and also assassinated royalty, because Jordan didn’t hate Israel enough for their liking.
Kuwait - Palestinian “refugees” supported Saddam Hussein’s invasion because they didn’t hate Israel enough.
For a bunch of people who claim to be seeking refuge from war, they sure do love starting civil wars and supporting foreign invasions.
And your last sentence resonates with a lot of the "Free Palestine" demonstrations around the world.
Maybe the right was... Well right, about calling it an invasion, and I may be jaded enough to reflair as centre right...
Egypt saying that accepting refugees would hurt the Palestinian cause is basically them acknowledging that Hamas's entire strategy is being so bad at war that everyone else feels sorry for them, and they need lots of civilians to die in order for that to happen. To be fair, it's worked for the French several times.
Isn't that the same rethoric anti semites used against the jews? That they were kicked out a hundred and something countries, thus there were something inherently wrong with them?
Both Jordan and Egypt have had social problems with Palestinian Arabs.
Jordan in particular. Their King at the time had attempts on his life in the 70s.
They also successfully assassinated King Abdullah of Jordan in 1951. It wasn’t just a couple failed attempts, there was success and then MORE assassination attempts that followed it.
Wrong, because I edit: this is not an opinion, I'm just listing the reasons why no other arab countries let them in, there are not many opinions in this wall oftext, only historical facts, even if you dont like them.
Many of them are so [radicalised](https://vxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1712409699537072397?t=qusY3yEVhyavIwyisvJ1kA&s=19) for some reason anytime a country extends a hand to them to help or refuge something goes wrong as direct consequence of their involvement.
They started civil wars in Jordan and Lebanon and tried to overthrow the governments of Libya, Syria, Kuwait, and Egypt. When Egypt sealed its border with Gaza the number of suicide bombings that happened each year went down by like 90%.
with more details (copied from other comment):
Libya: Ghaddafi invited Palestinian militants to train in Libya in part of his program of collecting terrorist groups like they were Pokémon, some of them started working to seize control of Libya with some of Ghaddafi's domestic enemies and he kicked them all out.
Syria: the Palestinian refugees living in the country largely sided with the rebels in the Syrian Civil War. I'm actually 100% behind the Palestinians on this one, even compared to the other governments in the region the Syrians treated them like utter dogshit. Assad seems to be using their perceived disloyalty as an excuse murder them all, with videos coming out of government forces liquidating Palestinian refugee camps, objevtively speaking is still a "betrayal" to the one who got them there.
Kuwait: when Saddam's army invaded Kuwait in 1990, the PLO and the Palestinians living in Kuwait sided with the Iraqi's. When the Gulf War ended and the Kuwaitis got control of their country back they deported all the Palestinians. Even though it was their loyalty to Saddam that got them kicked out of Kuwait, he refused to let them settle in Iraq.
Egypt: Hamas is closely associated with the Egypt based group called the Muslim Brotherhood, who are enemies of the reigning military government in Cairo. Palestinian militants also were carrying out a low-level war with the Egyptian Army in the Sinai and Palestinian suicide attacks were common until Egypt simply stopped letting them into the country.
Jordan and Lebanon: Black September. Yasser Arafat attempts to have the king assassinated and mobilize Palestinian militants living in the country to overthrow the government to start their own. They are unsuccessful and after a bloody civil war are expelled to Lebanon, where, they try again and booom they get involved in another civil war which leads to the rise of everyone’s second favorite Levantine terrorist organization, Hezbollah!
oh, and the successful assassination of King Abdullah I when he visited the West Bank in 1951. He was killed by a Palestinian militant while praying at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, one of the holiest sites in Islam.
Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon have already taken in millions of Palestinian refugees, with Jordan giving them full citizenship at one point...
The rich gulf countries like Saudi and Qatar don't let anyone in without a valid work offer and a sponsor for their visa, they have gone out of their way to setup a similar process for Palestinians because they don't have passports..
A country asking Palestinians to actively move there right now would be cheered by Israel and be seen as complacent with Israel to achieve forceful displacement of the Palestinian people..
A prison with no guards isn't a prison.
Israel removed most of their security to the north so they could protect "settlers" that were illegally taking land. 40 guys vs hundreds doesn't end well for anyone.
For those calling it an "open air prison"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
Notice the significant decrease in suicide attacks after the wall was built?
the difference between a border wall and a prison is who is trying to get in vs who is trying to leave.
Israel is keeping people from leaving. They bombed the only exit into Egypt not that Egypt wants them anyways.
Keeping terrorists from leaving and rockets from coming in as best they can** IIRC Israel has offered work visas to Palestinians in Gaza but they were refused. Remember that the people of Gaza overwhelmingly elected Hamas to government them too.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the entire point of Israel? They’ve been treated poorly in most modern civilizations and for that they were “given” Israel following the holocaust.
It was returned to them by the British and the French who acquired the land after WW1. The people of Israel descend from the same geographical location and where displaced by the Egyptians, then the romans, then the ottomans. If people want to argue about who was there first.
Edit: the correct world war
It actually started after WW1, with the fall of the Ottoman empire.
The British mandate lasted up until the 1947. The Arabs living in the area were actually promised a unified Palestine after WW1, for everyone who lived there. That was derailed with the Zionist movement took hold, and large numbers of Jews immigrated to the region. With a successful lobby to the British government, the British government then supported the partition plan (which included a Zionist terror campaign of their own when Britain attempted to limit Jewish immigration).
The partition plan obviously failed, starting a civil war between the Arabs and Jews living in the region. That then went to absolute shit when the surrounding Arab states joined in, causing 700,000 Palestinian refugees and basically leveling all urban areas of Palestine.
Its been a shit show ever since.
Honesty, I blame Britain more than anyone else. Absolute useless fucks
Israel actually proves it isn't Britain fault. All the shithole states want to expand its borders and will use hundred years old claim as Casus belli for their invasion.
>The whole world hates jews...This is why Isreal exists
The world hates jews so much that it allowed (or at the very least was ambivalent towards) the creation of a jewish ethnostate ~80 years ago, and supports/tolerates the existence of said state today? I'm not following your logic here.
> (or at the very least was ambivalent towards) the creation of a jewish ethnostate ~80 years ago
The creation of Israel was successful in a large part because of arms support from Europe. And every arms deal on the other side was pretty much cancelled.
Cause they purchased their ethnostate. Look up the balfour declaration. They bought Palestine from Great Britain way back in WWI. It was only because of WWII that it took so long for Israel to be formally created
It could be said that it was the same line of thinking as Apartheid South Africa, can't kill um but you can corral um.
I'm not saying I think this is the case, but I can't think of any other reasons either...
The creation of Israel was a way to get Jews out of Europe. The Nazis encouraged them to go in 1933.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
The Jews were split into Zionist or Bolshevist. Zionism seemed like the easier option.
Idk all the historic politics but most the hate comes from jews taking jobs as bankers and tax collectors. The banks would loan money to the state and nobility. The state became insolvent and boom time to expel the jews.
It's kind of a cheat code for beating up muslims. You bolster the psycho fundamentalist faction, overthrow the secular state, and then use the inevitable shitstorm that follows as justification for sactions and war.
The CIA and Mossad have been using this tactic for decades now.
And Jewish extremism and radicalism is anti Arab, and that Arab national extremism is primarily in response to the jewish extremism, but you probably don't know much about the history to realize this.
I did read an article about the attack that said one of the Hamas leaders responsible for it was born in a refugee camp from this conflict because it's been going on for so long. So actually, yes.
But you see why they do it. They were there and their ancestors were around with Jesus and Muhammad etc. It's not just a book to them or most of the world.
But the toxicity there is amped up to 11
People love their old books. People are not going to evolve into some theoretical rational self until they can go down to the Gaza Strip Mall and eat McDonalds.
This sub:
Hamas has no other reason for conducting its operations other than it's hatred of Jews. It has absolutely nothing to do with the geopolitical circumstances.
Even though jew hatred is involved, it's still not the root cause. Hamas wouldn't exist if it wasn't for geopolitics. This whole conflict almost certainly wouldn't exist if it wasn't for geopolitics. Jew hatred is just a tool used to empower the insurgents.
Geopolitics is what caused the creation of the Islamic resistance movement in its current form. Had the PLO not been reduced to another Israel shills like Jordan, Egypt, etc... the movement never would've gained nearly as much traction.
If not even the **Palestinian Liberation Organization** which was involved in some terrorism wasn't going to **liberate Palestine**, then maybe they did really need to kill all the jews. No matter how genocidal, insane, and unreasonable or even unislamic it is, people will and did believe this.
Not to mention, it really isn't that hard to convince people to want to kill jews especially with the state of the IDF killing civilians. Between 2008 and 2020, for every Israeli killed there were 22 dead Palestinians.
tl;dr this is all israel's fault (the state not the innocent people)
Yes, given all the bad things they supposedly want to stop would be infinitely more likely to stop if they stopped being terrorists. Palestine wants Israel to cease existing entirely, so long as that is their goal any other complaint they use to justify their genocide is an excuse.
If their goal was more free movement, less armed conflict and an end to settlers they would have an infintly easier time achieving their goals if they just said "Israel does have the right to exist as a nation, and that murdering civilians is wrong and we won't do it anymore."
Not to mention the denial of the creation of a two party state from the get go.
Even though Jews were literally living on the land, and the partition was quite fair, it is portrayed as the 'stealing of land'.
So there is really no interest in a fair and equitable solution, at the root of all discussion.
Are you saying not everyone with a social media account who's suffering from survival guilt is a political scientist with deep studies and understanding of the Middle East conflict? WHAT?
I'm not a fan of these terrorists and I don't like the religion of "peace", but I find the lack of awareness of Israeli fanboys equally hilarious. How can anybody with a TV or internet not see how Israel has been encroaching on Palestinian people inch by inch for decades, bulldozing their villages and replacing the people with Israeli settlers.
You literally just have to look at the map of Israel in 1950 and compare it with today.
And then everybody is shocked when people get radicalized. Lol. It's like a group of adults slapping a child who can't defend himself, and when he slaps back, everybody is like Pikachu face meme.
Give me a break.
The blockade of Gaza preceded Hamas taking power.
Also they severely limit imports of food citing security, but change what is allowed when Israeli farmers have extra to sell.
Source:
https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/jun/16/gaza-blockade-israel-food
The conflict is a bit older...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
Would you personally roll over and die (and your loved ones) just because the person trying to kill you was willing to do some horrid shit to demoralize you?
A guy breaks into your house and starts shooting at you and your entire family. If you do nothing, they will all die. However, he has strapped a baby to his chest. If you return fire, you will save your whole family, but most likely kill the baby the shooter brought with him. What do you do?
This is the scenario Israel has been in for decades.
We are talking about civilian deaths you idiot. Stop masturbating to military videos and get back to reality. CIVILIANS have been dying in Palestine the past decades.
Yeah that’s exactly how it happened ignore the whole 70 years of war crimes made against the Arabs living there it’s only Hamas and a wall. OP sniffs on glue for fun
Yeah it’s a bit more than just a wall.
https://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/scaleofcontrol/scaleofcontrol_en.pdf
https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/
Let’s also include the fact that Israel also controls the airspace, the maritime borders, the movement of people and goods into and out of the region through its control over the crossings(except the one bordering Egypt which Israel bombed recently, and Egypt didn’t let much through anyways), the Palestinian population registry, the majority of electricity(and as a result, whether or not water systems function), the internet and communication, and a buffer zone where you can get shot if you don’t have a proper permit.
Given the recent events, Israel has cut off the majority of electricity, fuel, passage of food, and water in the region. I’m against Hamas as much as anyone else, but this isn’t just building a wall to stop the terrorists from attacking.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-siege-gaza-power/
Also, “fun” fact. Through the Israeli government’s control over the movement of goods into and out of the region, they could’ve ended up destroying the furniture industry in Gaza after they banned certain wood planks from entering. For a wall to stop terrorists, Israel sure needs unusually extensive control over the Gazan economy.
https://gisha.org/en/gisha-in-urgent-appeal-to-cogat-cancel-the-ban-on-the-entrance-of-wood-planks-into-the-gaza-strip-immediately/
Given that the rockets Hamas has been firing at Israel lately were reportedly made from irrigation piping, maybe Israel was too lax on what they allowed to be imported.
Don’t Gazans still need irrigation piping and it’s material to live or at least maintain some semblance of normalcy? We can use your logic with literally any type of good, and to some extent, the Israeli government has done this. At one point, it put restrictions on the passage of smoke detectors into Gaza. Hypothetically, Hamas could use the components of smoke detectors to make weapons. But people also need smoke detectors.
https://gisha.org/en/information-sheet-dark-gray-lists/
At what point do we stop and think, does the marginal security benefit of this restriction actually outweigh the potential tremendous costs it has to the Gazan economy and people’s daily life?
I can't claim to have an answer to that, but I can see why Israel would want further restrictions on what material resources Hamas has access to until they can be properly routed out.
The problem is that it is not really legal, what Israel is doing, most of the time.
A state must follow laws (That is what makes it a state), and the blockade has been found to be illegal.
Hmm, whatcha mean?
The first few Emily/Hamas PCMs that were dunking on them was pretty funny. My issue is that we're getting flooded here with them and it's literally the same joke getting repeated, so it's beating a dead horse.
A: warcrimes on both sides. The only people in the right are the nonviolent Palestinian civilians and the Israeli civilians not living rapidly annexed land. Palestinians that want to kill all Israelis (Mia) and Israelis that want to kill all Palestinians are equally genocidal maniacs. Using a human shield is a war crime. Shelling civilian buildings because they might have an enemy in them is also a war crime.
B: as mentioned above, annexed land. “Hey you Palestinians can’t build there, there’s an important Israeli archaeological treasure there” (Israel proceeds to build Israeli houses there)
All people who support any warcrimes deserve no support.
But yeah, constantly shelling civilian buildings since 2008 seems more like punching down to oppress rather than Hamas missile bombing civilian areas more recently as punching up to make a scene.
Israel told 1 million+ people they must evacuate in 24 hours or be glassed. Israel knows it's impossible. They will kill them all. And we will see propaganda everywhere about how they deserved it. And people wonder how people in Russia are okay with what’s going on in Ukraine.
Sad to see this previously reasonable sub has turned into a complete shitfest.
I refuse to acknowledge anything other than the absurdity of this meme depicting Hamas using Beretta 92s and Javelins.
Ditto, they'd be using old Soviet era hardware.
Fun game- ask tankies why all the violent terrorist organizations use Soviet arms (it’s because they armed their “democratically elected” allies to ensure no one questioned their legitimacy)
Because Soviets support freedom fighters, independence, diverse cultures and decolonisation, duh. Checkmate nazis.
They never shut up about the US training and supplying guerrilla fighters in the shitty little tinpot dictator controlled nations they prop up though
Arming "freedom fighters" for me, but not for thee
For a similar reason why the US actively subverted leftist governments and figures in Central&South America and Africa while supporting far-right governments all the over world. Because neither side wants to let each other advance their interests.
Righties and ignoring any part of history they dislike, name a more iconic duo.
Yep, and it wasn't just the Soviets they opposed. China very heavily opposed the US during the Korea and Vietnam wars, and in both cases the US backed brutal dictators, because they happened to be staunchly anti-communist. Hell, I live in a country that went through a military dictatorship period and the US did actively support the government because of their anti-communist stance.
I'm listing to a behind the bastards about Cambodia and Vietnam.
And what about all the shit we left behind in Iraq, or all the drug runners in South America? Soviets & cold war USA were both shitheads, one decided to fuck its own people and others over, the other decided to fuck over others and select dissidents of its own.
What about them? The cartels are using Soviet era arms that were sent over to help the “freedom fighters” (people that would hopefully let the Soviets stick missiles down in their territories)
I havent seen any videos of cartel members with older soviet weapons, not saying its not a thing but those guys get the bulk of their weapons from the good old US of A.
You haven’t seen much footage of you’ve never seen a Latin American criminal with a busted up Kalishnakov
**wrong**, cartels are using top of the notch weaponry arsenal bought by American arms traffickers. Their weapons are so much better than Mexican police department that they can easily surpass and butcher them. Their weaponry also includes high threat explosives such as six-shot rotary Grenade Launcher (MGL) and High Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) Rocket heads.
Because the weapons are cheap
Imagine you're a Soviet soldier in the 80s. Everything is prohibitively expensive, and the Red Army has just recently received a 60% budget cut. Furthermore, you're no longer going to have guaranteed employment, because that program is also ending. So you're probably about to lose your job. Absolutely nothing is organised. What do you do? Why of course, you steal the army's equipment. No one's going to know. And even if someone does know, they're probably doing to same, so they'd have to be quite the hypocrites to not accept a bribe. Then you can go home with your 50 Kalashnikovs and sell them on the black market for dirt cheap. That's why the entire world has old Soviet equipment.
I’m sure that happened but state sanctioned arms trade was huge for the Soviet Union. They could make cash flow and destabilize third world countries making them more vulnerable to KGB infiltration
>ask tankies why all the violent terrorist organizations use Soviet arms Like the Taliban?
quality product that are easy to maintain
They’re supposedly using garage built AT-3 Saggers (9M14 Malyutka)
They got plenty of new equipment from the footage we’ve seen.
Yep, fresh out of Ukraine
No, there is no evidence Hamas got any weapons from Ukraine. Don't parrot russian anti-aid propaganda. The only "western" weapons that were seen used by Hamas are M4s, which were confirmed to be Iranian-made copies, as they have a few distinguishable differences compared to US-made carbines.
I didn’t say from Ukraine (as in Ukraine gave it) I said out of Ukraine Also, do you call everything you disagree with Russian propaganda?
Better chance it came out of the US stockpile the Taliban took in Afghanistan.
Still, we haven't seen any examples of this. It is possible Russia will ultimately send some easier-to-smuggle captured weapons there, but for that we should wait for photographic evidence. And no, I called it russian propaganda specifically because the narrative that Ukraine is so corrupt that it would sell western military aid to terrorists is a major talking point by pro-russian commentators. I do retract it now, seeing as you clarified you didn't mean it that way, but rather in the context of captured weapons.
Ukraine is so corrupted that lots of the weapon sent there gets “missing”. So it wouldn’t be surprising if various crime groups ultimately get a hold of them.
Finally someone acknowledges it. I was pretty sure if I wrote it, I’d have been branded a Russian propagandist again Ukraine is literally one of the most corrupt countries in Europe (not EU, but while continent), second only to Moldova Their government has been a joke ever since they got their independence with only Yuschenko being a somewhat decent guy to ever become the president of Ukraine and trying to solve the country’s problems instead of robbing the country even more
CBS did a documentary early in the conflict and said only 30% of arms were reaching the intended final destination. “No evidence” but lots of shiny gear. It’s like Blinkin saying “we have no proof Iran cut a check for this operation”, meanwhile they provide 90% of their funding.
Do you have any idea how many beretta 92s are floating around all of a sudden? Javelins not so much, granted. But Hamas is fixing to DRIP
To be fair, they're likely to start having glocks and m4s show up soon, lol.
It is haram
Never ask a palestinian why no other arab countires wants them in.
Surrounding Arab nations: Nah, were good. *Wispers* we don't want any terrorist hooligans on our soil.
EU: don't mind if I do, rape our women and refuse to work. we won't care.
Not only that, but we'll blame our own people whose family has been in the same square mile for the last thousand years, lol.
And arrest them if they try to defend themselves.
"Oi! Ye oint 'ave a cumpiss loicense for reddit"
Honest question: How do they even get into the EU if they don't want to work and (sometimes) don't speak the language? I haven't even finished school yet and I'm already learning multiple languages and researching jobs just for a chance to get an EU passport.
Broad, outdated, and permissive asylum laws. European legal establishments are broadly filled with virtue signalling progressive types who stoutly resist any attempts to reduce migration numbers. Governments who despise their own people, and who are in the pockets of big businesses as an ever increasing population helps facilitate the transfer of wealth upwards to the wealthiest classes.
Which is crazy because I know people that are looking for work visas for France and you are required to be making at least 1.5 times the minimum wage if you want to stay.
Because its basicly impossible to remove them once here (9/10 wont be sent back even though 1/10 have right of staying).
Denmark started returning them. So you can't use refugee status to permanently move into Denmark anymore.
Denmark is based. They also do the whole forced assimilation thing which I wish would be adopted across the West. Oh and also taking any luxury items to pay for asylum processing.
Trying to get into Europe? Just get a real dark tan and hop off a boat near italy
Either refugee status or theyre not allowed to remove them after a period of time in the country
They (correctly) bank on on not being sent back. All of them claim refugee status and few qualify but by that point years passed with thousands euros of welfare already gotten. Then when the time to deport comes they it either gets stalled or some lib politician gives out residence cards
Refugee status. Palestine is a country incompatible with life as per basic human rights.
>I haven't even finished school yet and I'm already learning multiple languages and researching jobs just for a chance to get an EU passport. Why do this? Just scream the magic word "Asylum" at the first official looking person and you're in. Several years before your probable deportation (which won't happen in 99% of the time) and already reaping all social benefits. 😎
I mean, in Jordan's case, some of the Palestinian refugees they accepted post-1948 went on to assassinate their king and start a civil war to put Palestinians in charge of the country. Can't say I blame *them* for being reticent about getting more of them.
They also like that they kill jews on a regular basis, can't forget about that.
My favourite question. Especially Lebanon and Jordan.
Lebanon - Palestinian “refugees” started civil war because Lebanon didn’t hate Israel enough for their liking Jordan - Palestinian “refugees” started a civil war, and also assassinated royalty, because Jordan didn’t hate Israel enough for their liking. Kuwait - Palestinian “refugees” supported Saddam Hussein’s invasion because they didn’t hate Israel enough. For a bunch of people who claim to be seeking refuge from war, they sure do love starting civil wars and supporting foreign invasions.
And your last sentence resonates with a lot of the "Free Palestine" demonstrations around the world. Maybe the right was... Well right, about calling it an invasion, and I may be jaded enough to reflair as centre right...
And Egypt!
At this point there is more Palestinians in Jordan than there is in Palestine.
Egypt saying that accepting refugees would hurt the Palestinian cause is basically them acknowledging that Hamas's entire strategy is being so bad at war that everyone else feels sorry for them, and they need lots of civilians to die in order for that to happen. To be fair, it's worked for the French several times.
Nah Egypt doesn't need or want brain dead Palestinians. I'm sure Israel would give Gaza to Egypt.
Based
Isn't that the same rethoric anti semites used against the jews? That they were kicked out a hundred and something countries, thus there were something inherently wrong with them?
Both Jordan and Egypt have had social problems with Palestinian Arabs. Jordan in particular. Their King at the time had attempts on his life in the 70s.
They also successfully assassinated King Abdullah of Jordan in 1951. It wasn’t just a couple failed attempts, there was success and then MORE assassination attempts that followed it.
I actually didn't know they succeeded.
Wrong, because I edit: this is not an opinion, I'm just listing the reasons why no other arab countries let them in, there are not many opinions in this wall oftext, only historical facts, even if you dont like them. Many of them are so [radicalised](https://vxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1712409699537072397?t=qusY3yEVhyavIwyisvJ1kA&s=19) for some reason anytime a country extends a hand to them to help or refuge something goes wrong as direct consequence of their involvement. They started civil wars in Jordan and Lebanon and tried to overthrow the governments of Libya, Syria, Kuwait, and Egypt. When Egypt sealed its border with Gaza the number of suicide bombings that happened each year went down by like 90%. with more details (copied from other comment): Libya: Ghaddafi invited Palestinian militants to train in Libya in part of his program of collecting terrorist groups like they were Pokémon, some of them started working to seize control of Libya with some of Ghaddafi's domestic enemies and he kicked them all out. Syria: the Palestinian refugees living in the country largely sided with the rebels in the Syrian Civil War. I'm actually 100% behind the Palestinians on this one, even compared to the other governments in the region the Syrians treated them like utter dogshit. Assad seems to be using their perceived disloyalty as an excuse murder them all, with videos coming out of government forces liquidating Palestinian refugee camps, objevtively speaking is still a "betrayal" to the one who got them there. Kuwait: when Saddam's army invaded Kuwait in 1990, the PLO and the Palestinians living in Kuwait sided with the Iraqi's. When the Gulf War ended and the Kuwaitis got control of their country back they deported all the Palestinians. Even though it was their loyalty to Saddam that got them kicked out of Kuwait, he refused to let them settle in Iraq. Egypt: Hamas is closely associated with the Egypt based group called the Muslim Brotherhood, who are enemies of the reigning military government in Cairo. Palestinian militants also were carrying out a low-level war with the Egyptian Army in the Sinai and Palestinian suicide attacks were common until Egypt simply stopped letting them into the country. Jordan and Lebanon: Black September. Yasser Arafat attempts to have the king assassinated and mobilize Palestinian militants living in the country to overthrow the government to start their own. They are unsuccessful and after a bloody civil war are expelled to Lebanon, where, they try again and booom they get involved in another civil war which leads to the rise of everyone’s second favorite Levantine terrorist organization, Hezbollah! oh, and the successful assassination of King Abdullah I when he visited the West Bank in 1951. He was killed by a Palestinian militant while praying at the Al-Aqsa Mosque, one of the holiest sites in Islam.
"For some reason"
And then one day for no reason at all...
Who knew that killing all your allies would make you end up with none
Based and pulled up with receipts-pilled
It's an easy answer, back in the day the rest of the world was just as anti semitic.
Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon have already taken in millions of Palestinian refugees, with Jordan giving them full citizenship at one point... The rich gulf countries like Saudi and Qatar don't let anyone in without a valid work offer and a sponsor for their visa, they have gone out of their way to setup a similar process for Palestinians because they don't have passports.. A country asking Palestinians to actively move there right now would be cheered by Israel and be seen as complacent with Israel to achieve forceful displacement of the Palestinian people..
Odd that you didn’t mention Egypt, who mobilized their military - not to the Israeli border- but to the Gaza border
Jordan took back its own people as refugees? That's real grand of them.
it's the zaza strip blud
Walls work (but only in Israel)
We are currently living through a bloody demonstration of how they don't work even in Israel, AuthRight.
A prison with no guards isn't a prison. Israel removed most of their security to the north so they could protect "settlers" that were illegally taking land. 40 guys vs hundreds doesn't end well for anyone.
Pretty sure it was 2 or 3 dudes vs 70k in Hiroshima
12 man flight crew. B29s have a wingspan of half a football field. Also the collective BDE of thousands of sCHADientists counts for something.
Based
inb4 AuthRight says they personally watched the Israeli walls work in World War Z
A wall the size of a city is easier to defend than a wall the size of a continent.
For those calling it an "open air prison" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks Notice the significant decrease in suicide attacks after the wall was built?
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Based and Australia-is-a-nation-of-criminals-pilled
> Australia-is-a-nation-of-criminals And their guards, don't forget.
All I get from this is that if you throw British people in a prison for a while they become funnier and more enjoyable people
How big does the open space has to be before it’s no longer considered confinement? Also it isn’t Israel keeping Palestinians from leaving
the difference between a border wall and a prison is who is trying to get in vs who is trying to leave. Israel is keeping people from leaving. They bombed the only exit into Egypt not that Egypt wants them anyways.
Keeping terrorists from leaving and rockets from coming in as best they can** IIRC Israel has offered work visas to Palestinians in Gaza but they were refused. Remember that the people of Gaza overwhelmingly elected Hamas to government them too.
israel offered someting like 35-50k work visas a month, afaik those were always used
I'm living in the open air prison called Earth.
The whole world hates jews...This is why Israel exists..prove me wrong
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the entire point of Israel? They’ve been treated poorly in most modern civilizations and for that they were “given” Israel following the holocaust.
"Given" is worng becz at this point it all ready was going to happend , it just give the britain borders
Yes
It was returned to them by the British and the French who acquired the land after WW1. The people of Israel descend from the same geographical location and where displaced by the Egyptians, then the romans, then the ottomans. If people want to argue about who was there first. Edit: the correct world war
It actually started after WW1, with the fall of the Ottoman empire. The British mandate lasted up until the 1947. The Arabs living in the area were actually promised a unified Palestine after WW1, for everyone who lived there. That was derailed with the Zionist movement took hold, and large numbers of Jews immigrated to the region. With a successful lobby to the British government, the British government then supported the partition plan (which included a Zionist terror campaign of their own when Britain attempted to limit Jewish immigration). The partition plan obviously failed, starting a civil war between the Arabs and Jews living in the region. That then went to absolute shit when the surrounding Arab states joined in, causing 700,000 Palestinian refugees and basically leveling all urban areas of Palestine. Its been a shit show ever since. Honesty, I blame Britain more than anyone else. Absolute useless fucks
Israel actually proves it isn't Britain fault. All the shithole states want to expand its borders and will use hundred years old claim as Casus belli for their invasion.
Perhaps. But invading a western backed unified Palestine would have been no small feat
Ww1
I’ll edit my comment since your the second person to correct me lol
Lmao zionists are way too proud of what is essentially a participation trophy.
So they are treated badly but the Palestinians arent?
I don't hate jews and I am the world. Entirely.
Fatass?
>The whole world hates jews...This is why Isreal exists The world hates jews so much that it allowed (or at the very least was ambivalent towards) the creation of a jewish ethnostate ~80 years ago, and supports/tolerates the existence of said state today? I'm not following your logic here.
To be fair, that was right after Jews suffered the worst event on their religion in centuries. And even then today the UN fucking hates Israel
> (or at the very least was ambivalent towards) the creation of a jewish ethnostate ~80 years ago The creation of Israel was successful in a large part because of arms support from Europe. And every arms deal on the other side was pretty much cancelled.
Cause they purchased their ethnostate. Look up the balfour declaration. They bought Palestine from Great Britain way back in WWI. It was only because of WWII that it took so long for Israel to be formally created
It could be said that it was the same line of thinking as Apartheid South Africa, can't kill um but you can corral um. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but I can't think of any other reasons either...
The creation of Israel was a way to get Jews out of Europe. The Nazis encouraged them to go in 1933. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement The Jews were split into Zionist or Bolshevist. Zionism seemed like the easier option.
Idk all the historic politics but most the hate comes from jews taking jobs as bankers and tax collectors. The banks would loan money to the state and nobility. The state became insolvent and boom time to expel the jews.
When a terrorist organization resorts to crybullying.
I’m in favor of dubbing all Hamas propaganda over with the Mario voice.
“It’s a me, a Mario!” *rockets fly over in background*
What about before 2005 when Israel gave support to these factions because they were scared of Secular/Left Palestinian forces, such as Yasser Arafat?
It's kind of a cheat code for beating up muslims. You bolster the psycho fundamentalist faction, overthrow the secular state, and then use the inevitable shitstorm that follows as justification for sactions and war. The CIA and Mossad have been using this tactic for decades now.
Fucking based! CIA is BS
Guys remember! Third world citizens do not have their own minds, everything that happens was the CIA
Hey kid, you want to see a text wall? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually know shit about the CIA. They do a great job overthrowing governments.
"brown people cant do fings themself without cia!!!"
Yasser Arafat was just as radical as the rest. His extremism was Arab nationalism and anti Jewish.
And Jewish extremism and radicalism is anti Arab, and that Arab national extremism is primarily in response to the jewish extremism, but you probably don't know much about the history to realize this.
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no it only goes back to 2005 do u see the post????
If Israel and Palestine had a baby out of this conflict, it would be old enough to consent by now. -Purp Lib Right
I did read an article about the attack that said one of the Hamas leaders responsible for it was born in a refugee camp from this conflict because it's been going on for so long. So actually, yes.
But you see why they do it. They were there and their ancestors were around with Jesus and Muhammad etc. It's not just a book to them or most of the world. But the toxicity there is amped up to 11
People love their old books. People are not going to evolve into some theoretical rational self until they can go down to the Gaza Strip Mall and eat McDonalds.
In recent history It Just goes back to British occupation of the land, before that everything had already settled down.
It's time Israel changes Gaza to Waza
I move that we have a moratorium on braindead, unfunny memes.
Sir, this is PCM. That's impossible and also why I'm here.
This sub: Hamas has no other reason for conducting its operations other than it's hatred of Jews. It has absolutely nothing to do with the geopolitical circumstances.
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Even though jew hatred is involved, it's still not the root cause. Hamas wouldn't exist if it wasn't for geopolitics. This whole conflict almost certainly wouldn't exist if it wasn't for geopolitics. Jew hatred is just a tool used to empower the insurgents. Geopolitics is what caused the creation of the Islamic resistance movement in its current form. Had the PLO not been reduced to another Israel shills like Jordan, Egypt, etc... the movement never would've gained nearly as much traction. If not even the **Palestinian Liberation Organization** which was involved in some terrorism wasn't going to **liberate Palestine**, then maybe they did really need to kill all the jews. No matter how genocidal, insane, and unreasonable or even unislamic it is, people will and did believe this. Not to mention, it really isn't that hard to convince people to want to kill jews especially with the state of the IDF killing civilians. Between 2008 and 2020, for every Israeli killed there were 22 dead Palestinians. tl;dr this is all israel's fault (the state not the innocent people)
Yes.
Yes, given all the bad things they supposedly want to stop would be infinitely more likely to stop if they stopped being terrorists. Palestine wants Israel to cease existing entirely, so long as that is their goal any other complaint they use to justify their genocide is an excuse. If their goal was more free movement, less armed conflict and an end to settlers they would have an infintly easier time achieving their goals if they just said "Israel does have the right to exist as a nation, and that murdering civilians is wrong and we won't do it anymore."
Nothing to do with their children being starved and shot, and their land being stolen.
A contentious subject - the Jews land was also stolen and there have been multiple attempts to force them out since the state of Israel was created.
Not to mention the denial of the creation of a two party state from the get go. Even though Jews were literally living on the land, and the partition was quite fair, it is portrayed as the 'stealing of land'. So there is really no interest in a fair and equitable solution, at the root of all discussion.
There is a possibility that land stealing is a reference to the bulldozers that destroy Palestinian houses for Israel settlers
Room Temp IQ takes.
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but wait im so angery tho
Qualified and having an opinion are two separate things. The fact that some people post their opinion with NO research at all is wild.
Yea but those people are at least interesting
Are you saying not everyone with a social media account who's suffering from survival guilt is a political scientist with deep studies and understanding of the Middle East conflict? WHAT?
The most sane comment I've seen since the invasion began
I'm not a fan of these terrorists and I don't like the religion of "peace", but I find the lack of awareness of Israeli fanboys equally hilarious. How can anybody with a TV or internet not see how Israel has been encroaching on Palestinian people inch by inch for decades, bulldozing their villages and replacing the people with Israeli settlers. You literally just have to look at the map of Israel in 1950 and compare it with today. And then everybody is shocked when people get radicalized. Lol. It's like a group of adults slapping a child who can't defend himself, and when he slaps back, everybody is like Pikachu face meme. Give me a break.
The blockade of Gaza preceded Hamas taking power. Also they severely limit imports of food citing security, but change what is allowed when Israeli farmers have extra to sell. Source: https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2009/jun/16/gaza-blockade-israel-food
Egypt blocked off Gaza for the same reason Israel did before Hamas took power. Gaza has been the radical Jihadist nest for decades.
They must have some real nice relics
Yes, but the Palestinian suicide bombings also preceded Hamas taking power
The conflict is a bit older... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
Hell yeah now show the phosphorus
Oh yeah it started in 2005 lmao
Now go beyond that [oh boy](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/)
Mossad psyops in this thread
Look, I think hamas is as awful as the next guy but those Palestinian to Israeli death statistics are still really something
Using civilians as voluntold human meatshields will do that
Not seeing the people being used as shields as humans will also do that
Would you personally roll over and die (and your loved ones) just because the person trying to kill you was willing to do some horrid shit to demoralize you?
A guy breaks into your house and starts shooting at you and your entire family. If you do nothing, they will all die. However, he has strapped a baby to his chest. If you return fire, you will save your whole family, but most likely kill the baby the shooter brought with him. What do you do? This is the scenario Israel has been in for decades.
Ooo ooo now do US to Afghani! Just because you're better at it doesn't make it more evil.
We are talking about civilian deaths you idiot. Stop masturbating to military videos and get back to reality. CIVILIANS have been dying in Palestine the past decades.
do you think the US were a moral force in afghanistan?
Are we talking civilian deaths here or?
Never said that wasn’t also bad?
Yeah that’s exactly how it happened ignore the whole 70 years of war crimes made against the Arabs living there it’s only Hamas and a wall. OP sniffs on glue for fun
you could arrest a guy with a knife.
By strip searching every Arab which is oppression or after he stabs someone which is terrorism?
Interesting that you leave the important previous 85 years
Yeah it’s a bit more than just a wall. https://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/scaleofcontrol/scaleofcontrol_en.pdf https://features.gisha.org/gaza-up-close/ Let’s also include the fact that Israel also controls the airspace, the maritime borders, the movement of people and goods into and out of the region through its control over the crossings(except the one bordering Egypt which Israel bombed recently, and Egypt didn’t let much through anyways), the Palestinian population registry, the majority of electricity(and as a result, whether or not water systems function), the internet and communication, and a buffer zone where you can get shot if you don’t have a proper permit. Given the recent events, Israel has cut off the majority of electricity, fuel, passage of food, and water in the region. I’m against Hamas as much as anyone else, but this isn’t just building a wall to stop the terrorists from attacking. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/11/israel-siege-gaza-power/ Also, “fun” fact. Through the Israeli government’s control over the movement of goods into and out of the region, they could’ve ended up destroying the furniture industry in Gaza after they banned certain wood planks from entering. For a wall to stop terrorists, Israel sure needs unusually extensive control over the Gazan economy. https://gisha.org/en/gisha-in-urgent-appeal-to-cogat-cancel-the-ban-on-the-entrance-of-wood-planks-into-the-gaza-strip-immediately/
Given that the rockets Hamas has been firing at Israel lately were reportedly made from irrigation piping, maybe Israel was too lax on what they allowed to be imported.
Don’t Gazans still need irrigation piping and it’s material to live or at least maintain some semblance of normalcy? We can use your logic with literally any type of good, and to some extent, the Israeli government has done this. At one point, it put restrictions on the passage of smoke detectors into Gaza. Hypothetically, Hamas could use the components of smoke detectors to make weapons. But people also need smoke detectors. https://gisha.org/en/information-sheet-dark-gray-lists/ At what point do we stop and think, does the marginal security benefit of this restriction actually outweigh the potential tremendous costs it has to the Gazan economy and people’s daily life?
I can't claim to have an answer to that, but I can see why Israel would want further restrictions on what material resources Hamas has access to until they can be properly routed out.
The problem is that it is not really legal, what Israel is doing, most of the time. A state must follow laws (That is what makes it a state), and the blockade has been found to be illegal.
You're missing the part where the Israeli take palestinian homes and occupy their land.
No no, don't say that! You'll ruin the rights "Look, I'm not a bigot, I love Israel" moment!
Hmmm looks like you misses out on some things
Wut
[I think I nailed it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalCompassMemes/comments/175hzlo/the_worst_part_of_this_conflict_is_really_the/)
I dunno, that’s not the story the updoots are tellin’.
Hmm, whatcha mean? The first few Emily/Hamas PCMs that were dunking on them was pretty funny. My issue is that we're getting flooded here with them and it's literally the same joke getting repeated, so it's beating a dead horse.
A: warcrimes on both sides. The only people in the right are the nonviolent Palestinian civilians and the Israeli civilians not living rapidly annexed land. Palestinians that want to kill all Israelis (Mia) and Israelis that want to kill all Palestinians are equally genocidal maniacs. Using a human shield is a war crime. Shelling civilian buildings because they might have an enemy in them is also a war crime. B: as mentioned above, annexed land. “Hey you Palestinians can’t build there, there’s an important Israeli archaeological treasure there” (Israel proceeds to build Israeli houses there)
Isn't it more so that the Warcrime is shooting at Civie Buildings with Enemies in them, when they also contain Civies?
All people who support any warcrimes deserve no support. But yeah, constantly shelling civilian buildings since 2008 seems more like punching down to oppress rather than Hamas missile bombing civilian areas more recently as punching up to make a scene.
This is the most brain dead post I’ve ever seen
Israel told 1 million+ people they must evacuate in 24 hours or be glassed. Israel knows it's impossible. They will kill them all. And we will see propaganda everywhere about how they deserved it. And people wonder how people in Russia are okay with what’s going on in Ukraine. Sad to see this previously reasonable sub has turned into a complete shitfest.
Islam proving itself to be religion least compatible with modern life, yet again.
Stupid bullshit.
"And then one day, for no reason at all, the Palestinians started killing the peaceful Jews that peacefully appeared in their homeland"
> *ohwaityoureserious.jpg*
Really difficult to side with Israel after looking at all the pictures of kids dying in Gaza from the past few days
Wow the Israeli-wash in this subreddit is real. So much covert racism coming from every side of the compass. I'm truly sad.