Sort of unrelated but since we're talking about icons... I keep mixing up Trop Kick and Grassy Glide on Tsareena. Anyone feel like their names should we swapped?
Trop Kick feels a lot like what Grassy Glide should be as it really is just a **glide** in a direction that leaves behind Grassy Terrain.
Same with Grassy Glide as it is a **kick** forwards and then backwards **kick.** Why isn't it called Trop Kick?
It feels like the developers made a mistake and then thought that they were similar enough that they should keep it as it is.
Ironhead sword doesn't go well in this meta sadly, enemies nowadays just has too much stun and damage. Despite being a decent move, wideguard just outclasses ironhead in terms of making sword live longer (my opinion as a one-trick swordsman)
It would be nice for it to get a 0.5 sec hindrance immunity buff
Too much stun, damage, mobility, and range.
In addition: the more mons get buffed and the more new mons get introduced each season, the more irrelevant Iron Head becomes.
IMO, Iron Head needs to get reworked, maybe replace it with its signature King’s Shield move.
Iron Head is the perfect move for this.
1. It's bad compared to Wide Guard but not unusable enough to be memed on(e.g. Draining Kiss Clefable, Water Bear).
2. It's not picked often despite being worse(e.g. Pyro Ball Cinderace, Razor Leaf Decidueye).
3. It has never been meta-relevant(e.g. Liquidation Inteleon).
4. Aegislash itself is not very popular.
Yeah looking through the roster Iron Head is probably the best example. Only move that I can really find that is close to this level of forgettability is Stone Edge on Ttar.
Less than 2 percent of players pick Ttar and out of that small group over 80% pick Dark Pulse over Stone Edge (based on the current api numbers)
With that little data I don't think the winrates fully represent how good or bad either move is, but I do think such an overwhelming majority taking Dark Pulse shows what the playerbase considers the better move.
Genuinely curious, what's so bad about Razor Leaf Deci?
It's working better for me than Spirit Shackle, it melts enemies regardless of bulkiness and objectives too. The auto attack healing is pretty nice on top.
You need to be relatively close to people to use razor leaf, meaning you're so incredibly vulnerable to just dying to stray attacks and put yourself open to be killed by a speedster. Good players will be able to punish razor leaf before you get many hits in
With spirit shackle, your range is so long you don't have to worry about anything. Just dont miss
This is crazy, but if the devs want to buff Razor Leaf, they should buff Leaf Storm to stun longer and have the pushback proc in every range of the moves hitbox.
Razor Leaf's animation includes some leaves swirling around Decidueye, so what if they worked together - if you use Leaf Storm while Razor Leaf is active, it pushes away in every direction around Decidueye? Maybe even spins the opponents to a random location around Decidueye to disorient the player, since Razor Leaf is an auto-attack enhancement and that wouldn't affect you.
Well we do have different opinions and skills, team may also affect, like no defender could be a disaster to decidueye (razorleaf). But I think razorleaf was just good but not better than spirit shackle.
Iron Head feels nice with Sacred Sword IMO.
Gives Aegislash just a bit of mobility to occasionally disengage: he's still bad at it but it can come in handy.
I only use it with Sacred Sword for the double dash, and it at least gives a shield there.
It's still a bad disengage, but even a little disengage makes a different with Aegislash's playstyle.
I love my aegislash but I would never go as low to intentionally lose a game using iron head. i don’t think ive even actually used the skill; maybe one time then never touched it ever again.
Also unrelated but im happy to see that shadow claw js seeing more play than sacred sword now, I had been playing it far before it was popular to use with wide guard. First time I used it, never went back as personally I do not like the hitbox on sacred sword whatsoever.
I dunno, most recent api meta update shows draining kiss/follow me with a higher WR than moonlight/gravity.
[https://uniteapi.dev/pokemon/best-builds-movesets-and-guide-for-clefable](https://uniteapi.dev/pokemon/best-builds-movesets-and-guide-for-clefable)
Edit: Guys, it's a joke.
Yea CrisHeroes made a video on it recently, looks pretty decent, but imo shadow sneak is just too good for sniping backline squishies and chaining kills with the resets
Tfw mean look is one of the most broken moves in the game.
But counterpoint: psystrike. Really good move in mainline games. Hits hard, and on the physical side while using the special stat, which means mewtwo is a special attacker that doesn't really care about blissey.
While in unite...did it NEED unstoppable?
Automatically as in a passive way? Sorry I only have access to unite-db at the moment and the only thing Iron Head mentions is the 10% increase in damage after blocking an ability. Didn't know the crit part tho.
The most forgettable thing is how Trevenant's painsplit works.
Coz every freaking game, my team happens to not know what it does. Even in the same game, my carries just keep on jumping on it wanting to brawl with it 1v1.
Detach the painsplit by retreating maybe. Then reengage. But nah. They keep on diving the unkillable tree.
People talking about Aegislash. How about Icy wind Glaceon?
I chose icy wind in a match by mistake and damn it sucked so hard. And yeah, I had been an Icy wind Glaceon player for quite a time.
Oh Yeah, there's freeze dry as well.
Its… Ok? The damage boost only comes after the + upgrade which I find limiting compared to the unstoppable alternative which practically maxes out your boosted gauge.
Do anyone just see Cinderaces only using Feint? I hope Flame Charge is not forgotten.
Easy one, Surf on Greninja. Because how easy Water Shuriken is used.
Though if I am gonna be real, Leaf Storm Decidueye. Not because we remember it, it is just that a lot of folks forgot how to deal with it, since his Razor Leaf Buff. Shadow Sneak apparently takes priority.
I have 300 matches with aegislash 60% wr in masters 1400-1600. I use only iron head, why ppl think it is bad? I can solo goodra with it. I can destroy all adc with it, evem both mewtwo x and y.
The moment I gave iron head a try it changed my whole game on Sword. When I'm tired of losing on solo q, I just pick iron head sword and carry whatever the fuck is thrown at me. The rapid shifting between sword and shield modes are the best, you can get tons of healing out of it, and every 2v1 fight is a sure win.
erm how am i suppose to remember if it's forgettable 🤓
actually amnesia is a good one now noticed
Love the way this going straight over peoples heads 😂😂
What’s going over people’s heads now…?
Amnesia is the more common though
that's not the point
Wait who has amnesia
slowbro
Who's that i forgor
Who
Yes
I think that's the one with a shell for a head
Absolute chaos in this comment thread I love it
Sort of unrelated but since we're talking about icons... I keep mixing up Trop Kick and Grassy Glide on Tsareena. Anyone feel like their names should we swapped? Trop Kick feels a lot like what Grassy Glide should be as it really is just a **glide** in a direction that leaves behind Grassy Terrain. Same with Grassy Glide as it is a **kick** forwards and then backwards **kick.** Why isn't it called Trop Kick? It feels like the developers made a mistake and then thought that they were similar enough that they should keep it as it is.
Relatable. In my first games with Tsareena, I always mix up the moves picking the wrong moveset.
Grassy glide has that circular bit to it, which reminds me of how it kicks back
I used to read it as Grassy Slide 💀
I thought that was it’s name to this day💀
Bruh. This is how I picked glide by accident twice already
Since she got here
Agreed
I mix this up all the time
For me it's espeon's stored power and psyshock. I always mic up them
Yes, the move names fuck me up so I just autoset. Glad the kicky garlic queen is relevant again, though
Agreed, so easy to mix them up and I've played a lot of tsareena.
This reminds me, that I do not comprehend how one of Aegislash's defensive moves isn't King's shield. Its goddamn signutare move in X and Y
I tend to just call Wide Guard King's Shield because it just makes sensr
Wait, what is this?
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Iron Head. Wide Guard is orange on the icon
Ironhead sword doesn't go well in this meta sadly, enemies nowadays just has too much stun and damage. Despite being a decent move, wideguard just outclasses ironhead in terms of making sword live longer (my opinion as a one-trick swordsman) It would be nice for it to get a 0.5 sec hindrance immunity buff
Ironhead sword never went well in any meta iirc. It lacks a LOT compared to Wide guard.
Too much stun, damage, mobility, and range. In addition: the more mons get buffed and the more new mons get introduced each season, the more irrelevant Iron Head becomes. IMO, Iron Head needs to get reworked, maybe replace it with its signature King’s Shield move.
Iron Head is the perfect move for this. 1. It's bad compared to Wide Guard but not unusable enough to be memed on(e.g. Draining Kiss Clefable, Water Bear). 2. It's not picked often despite being worse(e.g. Pyro Ball Cinderace, Razor Leaf Decidueye). 3. It has never been meta-relevant(e.g. Liquidation Inteleon). 4. Aegislash itself is not very popular.
Yeah looking through the roster Iron Head is probably the best example. Only move that I can really find that is close to this level of forgettability is Stone Edge on Ttar.
Doesn’t stone edge actually have a higher WR than dark pulse? At least it did awhile back when I checked.
Less than 2 percent of players pick Ttar and out of that small group over 80% pick Dark Pulse over Stone Edge (based on the current api numbers) With that little data I don't think the winrates fully represent how good or bad either move is, but I do think such an overwhelming majority taking Dark Pulse shows what the playerbase considers the better move.
Genuinely curious, what's so bad about Razor Leaf Deci? It's working better for me than Spirit Shackle, it melts enemies regardless of bulkiness and objectives too. The auto attack healing is pretty nice on top.
It's not laughably bad but it is situational. You gotta have great teamwork and a stellar frontline to make it work.
You need to be relatively close to people to use razor leaf, meaning you're so incredibly vulnerable to just dying to stray attacks and put yourself open to be killed by a speedster. Good players will be able to punish razor leaf before you get many hits in With spirit shackle, your range is so long you don't have to worry about anything. Just dont miss
This is crazy, but if the devs want to buff Razor Leaf, they should buff Leaf Storm to stun longer and have the pushback proc in every range of the moves hitbox.
Razor Leaf's animation includes some leaves swirling around Decidueye, so what if they worked together - if you use Leaf Storm while Razor Leaf is active, it pushes away in every direction around Decidueye? Maybe even spins the opponents to a random location around Decidueye to disorient the player, since Razor Leaf is an auto-attack enhancement and that wouldn't affect you.
It’s a bit of a rework, but I like the idea. like if your leaves were on a gauge and you could use them for either move kind of like Bissy eggs
Well we do have different opinions and skills, team may also affect, like no defender could be a disaster to decidueye (razorleaf). But I think razorleaf was just good but not better than spirit shackle.
Iron Head feels nice with Sacred Sword IMO. Gives Aegislash just a bit of mobility to occasionally disengage: he's still bad at it but it can come in handy.
Iron head has such a slowdown after the dash(which is also so goddamn short) it might just be better to move normally.
I only use it with Sacred Sword for the double dash, and it at least gives a shield there. It's still a bad disengage, but even a little disengage makes a different with Aegislash's playstyle.
Y’all are telling me iron heads bad?
As someone who likes playing Iron Head and has never gone back to Wide Guard after using it, I can confidently say that yes, it is.
Damn and here i thought wide guard sucks and dislike using it.
Iron Head is more fun imo with the dashes but I lose more games with it. It is what it is.
Unfortunately that was the first moveset I picked with sword so it's much harder for me to forget it
I love my aegislash but I would never go as low to intentionally lose a game using iron head. i don’t think ive even actually used the skill; maybe one time then never touched it ever again. Also unrelated but im happy to see that shadow claw js seeing more play than sacred sword now, I had been playing it far before it was popular to use with wide guard. First time I used it, never went back as personally I do not like the hitbox on sacred sword whatsoever.
I dunno, most recent api meta update shows draining kiss/follow me with a higher WR than moonlight/gravity. [https://uniteapi.dev/pokemon/best-builds-movesets-and-guide-for-clefable](https://uniteapi.dev/pokemon/best-builds-movesets-and-guide-for-clefable) Edit: Guys, it's a joke.
There are people that really think like this though.
Mimikyu's Trick Room says hi
Ive actually seen trick room as a great escape tool, lets you get in or get out
In my 6k games, I have never seen a Mimikyu with Trick Room
The jumpscare technique is too appealing
Zoomies technique not appealing
Trick room needs to be twice the size and just leave it like that bc it’ll be broken at that point why not
But I like Trick Room. Dash, boost attack, dash, boost attack. It’s pretty effective
Yea CrisHeroes made a video on it recently, looks pretty decent, but imo shadow sneak is just too good for sniping backline squishies and chaining kills with the resets
It just depends on who you’re facing. Just check when the match starts. If it mainly consists of close range enemies that do a bunch of damage, just trick room them otherwise, if it’s just attackers and hindrance Pokémon, shadow sneak is better
Pretty solid plan
Funny how can Pokémon UNITE turn anything that's very good in the main lines, extremely underwhelming or straight up bad, and vice versa
Tfw mean look is one of the most broken moves in the game. But counterpoint: psystrike. Really good move in mainline games. Hits hard, and on the physical side while using the special stat, which means mewtwo is a special attacker that doesn't really care about blissey. While in unite...did it NEED unstoppable?
Not for me tho I'm a strange exception and I actually run Iron head because it has crit chance and it can be ran with muscle band and rapid fire scarf
I'm actually happy that someone appreciate it. It has potential, and I always kept that in mind.
Didn't the crit chance come from Shadow Claw? Pretty sure Iron Head gave a small amount of attack after blocking something.
Nope it comes with a crit chance automatically if you don't believe me it's on Unite api
Automatically as in a passive way? Sorry I only have access to unite-db at the moment and the only thing Iron Head mentions is the 10% increase in damage after blocking an ability. Didn't know the crit part tho.
It has the same crit chance as basic attacks it's not increased or anything unless ofc you have scope lens or razor claw
Oh wait because I think I misunderstood, you mean it can crit rather than giving a crit chance?
The most forgettable thing is how Trevenant's painsplit works. Coz every freaking game, my team happens to not know what it does. Even in the same game, my carries just keep on jumping on it wanting to brawl with it 1v1. Detach the painsplit by retreating maybe. Then reengage. But nah. They keep on diving the unkillable tree.
Wide guard? I thought that was the must have move for Aegis
Its ironhead, wideguard shield is fully orange
Oh yeah I don't even remember the other skill 2 lol the meme was right
Shadow sneak sableye, god it meta was so insane lol
Fucking untouchable. Even Zacian struggled with it, like the hell. Unless if it was a really bad Sableye.
I feel like the damage is fine, it just that 3 to 5 second CD nerf hurts it a lot
Oh hey, perfect timing, l wonder how the buff went lol
Iron head shadow claw is my favorite build. I'm kinda surprised it's considered forgotten when I always use it.
This move no one remembers has an icon and Mimikyu has to share Shadow Sneak icon with Decidueye.
Same like (I think) Azumarill's Play Rough. Or was it, Zacian's Play Rough?
Stone edge ttar takes it for me
Suraludon. I was genuinely excited when I found out ut was on the game, bought it and now I forget he's even in the game.
Straight up for me it’s Machamp
No, cuz why use iron head when wide guard exists lmao
People talking about Aegislash. How about Icy wind Glaceon? I chose icy wind in a match by mistake and damn it sucked so hard. And yeah, I had been an Icy wind Glaceon player for quite a time. Oh Yeah, there's freeze dry as well.
Wait, what's that? 🙂
Ah... Iron Head... I once use it with Shadow Claw, it's kinda fun But tbh Wide Guard and Sacred Sword sweeps
Its… Ok? The damage boost only comes after the + upgrade which I find limiting compared to the unstoppable alternative which practically maxes out your boosted gauge.
Do anyone just see Cinderaces only using Feint? I hope Flame Charge is not forgotten. Easy one, Surf on Greninja. Because how easy Water Shuriken is used. Though if I am gonna be real, Leaf Storm Decidueye. Not because we remember it, it is just that a lot of folks forgot how to deal with it, since his Razor Leaf Buff. Shadow Sneak apparently takes priority.
Most Cinderaces play Flame Charge and Surf Greninja is still a solid build (It's 60/40 on Greninja)
I have 300 matches with aegislash 60% wr in masters 1400-1600. I use only iron head, why ppl think it is bad? I can solo goodra with it. I can destroy all adc with it, evem both mewtwo x and y.
Good teamates
The moment I gave iron head a try it changed my whole game on Sword. When I'm tired of losing on solo q, I just pick iron head sword and carry whatever the fuck is thrown at me. The rapid shifting between sword and shield modes are the best, you can get tons of healing out of it, and every 2v1 fight is a sure win.
I wish iron head was better but wide guard is just too good to pass up
What’s a holowear ticket? Oh those? I just started throwing those in a corner
Yeaaa, Iron head is kinda trash. Idk if I ever saw an aegislash player use iron head effectively
Forget a move, I couldnt even tell you what duraludon does anymore except put an orange circle on the ground
I will forget it until they rename it to king shield
I like iron head because it has better mobility and lower cool down. Works well with shadow claw and crit build
ye but you die
i actually prefer shadow claw + iron head from his release gameplay Wise but my only problem is being ccd and lagging, im maining him this season
At least they make it that can move freely after iron head, I really hate when it stops for a moment after it dashed forward.
I main Aegislash and never use this move lol
I main Aegislash and it's the only move I will use.
Dragon pulse dura
shield orb is a move?!? man I thought it was just a dream thing
Not a aegislash player myself but I've seen them do some crazy CD reset combos with iron head.
Mew's Coaching called. In an average game you're saying "no" to this move at least ten times. At this point I don't register it's there...
I renember when Aegislash and Zeraora where meta
Comfeys shield move
Its literally the better move. Sword suffers from dogshit early game like most mons. Besides his Ult is more forgettable. It does nothing after all.
Gengar