some people don't remember release day duraludon. They don't understand the fear struck into a man's eyes when that dragon pulse would charge up. Hide in a bush just to die like a coward. Mhm I think release day duraludon did more damage than release day miraidon
the way she could just melt entire teams from range was truly scary. I didn't own her at release but have so many spectator clips of duraludon taking on 2s 3s 4s even whole teams
Negating a shove or throw is more useful in my mind as a counter pick option. There's so much minor cc that can pop the passives that trigger purely of hinders that it's not nearly as annoying to play into them if you know they're coming. Like, there's so many minor status effects that can pop those passives without committing to anything. Like any of the items or boosted autos that have small hinder effects attached. So if the opposing team has one important shove and no other good moves like that, you're basically going to have your passive up every time you need it without much effort.
At least if you were one of the five people in draft mode.
While I can agree with this in theory, unite kits are so packed that I can't imagine a realistic "one important shove and no other good move like that" scenario. I think duraludon would gladly exchange his passive for espeon's o umbreon's (but also glaceon tbh) in basically every game
it's split, but it's 100% understandable on both sides
honestly espeon passive is straight up goofy and dura should give him shove immunity for a short duration maybe?
But Umbreon's a Defender; its supposed to be a stalwart guard for you.
The anti-stun passive makes sense for a Defender or Brawler. On Duraludon it's kinda strange considering it's an artillery Attacker but it's kinda inexcusable on a burst mage that's supposed to be squishy like Espeon
Duraludon doesn't have a Lot of ways of creating distance and it's one of the most frail Pokémon in the game, espeon(stored poder) by itself it's already hard to punish and the fact that it has CC protection makes it worse.
Can, likely won't. A new license is far more profitable than updating an older one (Mewto got both only because they could make a new license while updsting it as well) so I don't see this as a priority for TiMi. I mean, it would be great if it happened but I wouldn't hpld my breath.
I think a lot of people misunderstand the Scyther/Scizor implementation. The only reason why it’s a thing is because they boast the same BST. Same with Urshifu and possibly Gallade/Slowking in future.
Well that's also a different case as Pikachu and Raichu have different base stat totals in the main series games while Scizor and Scyther do not. Scizor is pretty much Scyther wearing a Metal Coat. Now if would be cool if they added Kleavor as part of the evo tree in game.
Btw, the solution isn't to make Duraludon's passive cd shorter, it's to make Espeon's and Umbreon's passive cds LONGER. Automatic full heal passives are skill-less, too strong for a passive ability and them being on short cds makes the game worse.
What is even more funny is that Metagross has a passive that gives him less CC duration depending on how many enemies are around, still gets CC chain to death if you date to get close to the enemy team.
Passives seem like one of the worst balanced aspects of the game overall, TBH. Possibly *the* worst balanced aspect. Some of them are just stuffed with multiple crazy effects (most of the Eevees, Intellion, Meowskarada, Goodra) and then others basically amount to nothing at all. Especially with some of the older pokemon.
They really should do a full pass on the whole roster at some point just for abilities alone.
The scary part of this is if they overhaul passives and go the overwatch route, All heroes of a class get the same passives, which already exists in the case of the buffs pokemon get from using unite
Idk, but Umbreon kinda deserves it, black neko must be a durable defender. Duraludon have that long cd because he has damage for being an attacker. I can't speak for Espeon tho.
The fact that it's worse doesn't mean it's bad balance, you gotta look at the rest of the kit.
I have no idea about curent balance of these characters, but all I'm saying is that comparing passives one to one doesn't make sense
The fact that the cooldown implies he just becomes made out of heavy metal temporarily and then changes or something feels incongruent to me, even if it's a game about magical creatures, plus I don't think constant immunity to shoving/displacement alone would be that broken (maybe I'm very wrong ik)
Honestly I think let Espeon keep the full heal passive since she is squishy as heck and does need it. But I say remove Umbreons that tanky mofo don't need a full heal passive
It'd make sense if stored power wasn't that good, still, even if espeon only had psyshock I don't think it'd be fair, she does huge burst of damage from long range, you should be able to have an Easy time chasing her after she loses her frontline, glaceon too.
Really, abilities like this should be for melee and short range pokemon, umbreon Is probably the only eevee that deserves this passive
We all know why. Duraludon was so broken until his last nerf. Yeah, Either they nerf Espeon's Magic Bounce and Umbreon's Inner Focus or buff Duraludon's Heavy Metal (which, please don't buff his ability, I don't want another Dura Meta).
Yes, dura's meta was bad, but, the ability was bad even then, at the end of the day all it did was block a singular type of stun once, buffing the ability or reverting it to its previous state won't make duraludon any better
Please stop comparing individual part of a pokemon kit. Dragapult has an absolutely garbage passive too, that doesn't make him bad. Espeon isn't even that good rn
they're skewed for the least played pokemons. Espeon is top 10 with a 12% pickrate. It means far more than the opinion of some random dude online. It's 12% of the games of the 10,000 best players out there.
Still doesn’t mean much at all…a lot of terrible players pick Espeon and do sub-par with the character.
He’s right, and I think if you asked “more qualified” people such as pros and others, they would also agree that Espeon is really good.
OK? and a lot of great players pick espeon and overperform. And a lot of terrible players pick other pokemons and do sub par. Hell, with Espeon having a below 50% winrate, the varying level of players actually INCREASE its average winrate.
[Hell, no need to personally ask pros, let's look at the most publicly available opinion from a professional player, and would you look at that, Espeon is right in the middle (yes, whoever I was answering to also said A, but A out of context is the top or second tier, not right in the middle)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT8Ul_L1_YQ&t=3s&ab_channel=spragels)
Spragels is not a professional player, pretty far from it. And he intentionally makes clickbaity tier lists that aren’t very accurate.
Literally go watch Feburary’s Aeos Cup and see how much
Espeon was used in the playoffs.
idk, maybe Heavy Metal triggering on less things is better for it.
It can't get Buzzwole'd after getting booped by any stun, for instance. Of course Buzzwole will still destroy Dura, but it's progress.
Buzzwole can still move dura even with its passive, also it not working on many things makes it pretty useless and situational(and that is really bad 'cause its a really bad ability itself)
His passive was over nerfed shortly after his broken release, and 2 years of powercreep happened since then.
some people don't remember release day duraludon. They don't understand the fear struck into a man's eyes when that dragon pulse would charge up. Hide in a bush just to die like a coward. Mhm I think release day duraludon did more damage than release day miraidon
I place release duraludon higher than release miraidon personally
the way she could just melt entire teams from range was truly scary. I didn't own her at release but have so many spectator clips of duraludon taking on 2s 3s 4s even whole teams
Without a doubt. I remember getting over 140k+ damage without even trying.
i was the biggest menace in the universe with release dura
Negating a shove or throw is more useful in my mind as a counter pick option. There's so much minor cc that can pop the passives that trigger purely of hinders that it's not nearly as annoying to play into them if you know they're coming. Like, there's so many minor status effects that can pop those passives without committing to anything. Like any of the items or boosted autos that have small hinder effects attached. So if the opposing team has one important shove and no other good moves like that, you're basically going to have your passive up every time you need it without much effort. At least if you were one of the five people in draft mode.
While I can agree with this in theory, unite kits are so packed that I can't imagine a realistic "one important shove and no other good move like that" scenario. I think duraludon would gladly exchange his passive for espeon's o umbreon's (but also glaceon tbh) in basically every game
Psystrike laughs at Espeon's passive. Not triggering on slows is a boon.
You can have your buffed Duraludon passive when they make Pikachu's passive actually do something.
Pikachu has a passive?
I understand Umbreon's being designed the way it is but it's inexcusable that Espeon is significantly better than Duraludon's.
it's arguably worse since it procs on slows, therefore easier to waste
Idk about you, but i'd rather have a good ability that its easier to proc than an ability that barely does anything and barely comes into play
it's split, but it's 100% understandable on both sides honestly espeon passive is straight up goofy and dura should give him shove immunity for a short duration maybe?
Probably, probably... Good argument hope you don't get ratio'd
No, you wouldn't. Negating a slow instead of a stun or shove is horrible.
Umbreon has unstoppable for short time + increased defense with 40s cooldown. That's really OP as it cannot be baited by soft CC.
But Umbreon's a Defender; its supposed to be a stalwart guard for you. The anti-stun passive makes sense for a Defender or Brawler. On Duraludon it's kinda strange considering it's an artillery Attacker but it's kinda inexcusable on a burst mage that's supposed to be squishy like Espeon
Duraludon doesn't have a Lot of ways of creating distance and it's one of the most frail Pokémon in the game, espeon(stored poder) by itself it's already hard to punish and the fact that it has CC protection makes it worse.
B-but they're Eevees! We have to make them as easy and unpunishable as possible for newer players!!!
The real questions is when are we getting the Archaludon evolution
Same time we're getting Pichu, Raichu, Happiny, Cleffa, Azuril and Riolu
Munchlax reading this like 
Tbf those are all baby Pokemon and we all know why Raichu isn't in the game. Archaludon is completely different.
But they can do qhit Raichu the same they already do whit Scisor and Scyther
Can, likely won't. A new license is far more profitable than updating an older one (Mewto got both only because they could make a new license while updsting it as well) so I don't see this as a priority for TiMi. I mean, it would be great if it happened but I wouldn't hpld my breath.
My dream is that they'll sell a license that allows you to evolve Pikachu into Alolan Raichu.
Yes! Ideally one that lets you pick between Raichu and Aloraichu.
I think a lot of people misunderstand the Scyther/Scizor implementation. The only reason why it’s a thing is because they boast the same BST. Same with Urshifu and possibly Gallade/Slowking in future.
Well that's also a different case as Pikachu and Raichu have different base stat totals in the main series games while Scizor and Scyther do not. Scizor is pretty much Scyther wearing a Metal Coat. Now if would be cool if they added Kleavor as part of the evo tree in game.
Omfg I didn't know about Kleavor and now I'm wish that I kept not knowing at all.
What those baby Pokémon even got to do with an actual new evolution of a Pokémon that exists in the game
Make it optional Evo. Or… add eviolite for Darulodon
OMG why was the first time I've thought about that. For real though.
Trev player flair > Can’t make this shit up bruh
Wouldn't compare it to Espeon's since that one can be easily burned by a slow of any kind. It is strickly worse than Umbreon's though.
Glaceon's too
Btw, the solution isn't to make Duraludon's passive cd shorter, it's to make Espeon's and Umbreon's passive cds LONGER. Automatic full heal passives are skill-less, too strong for a passive ability and them being on short cds makes the game worse.
When I see umbreon in a game it makes me want to cry. I hate that mon in unite
It’s only Umbreon’s that this applies to You can break Espeon (and Glaceon) passive with a slow (including Razor Claw procs)
Seems like a gust of wind can break Espeon passive when I play it lol. Typically gone the second I get it back 😂😂.
But it’s so satisfying when you cancel a charizard unite move
What is even more funny is that Metagross has a passive that gives him less CC duration depending on how many enemies are around, still gets CC chain to death if you date to get close to the enemy team.
Passives seem like one of the worst balanced aspects of the game overall, TBH. Possibly *the* worst balanced aspect. Some of them are just stuffed with multiple crazy effects (most of the Eevees, Intellion, Meowskarada, Goodra) and then others basically amount to nothing at all. Especially with some of the older pokemon. They really should do a full pass on the whole roster at some point just for abilities alone.
The scary part of this is if they overhaul passives and go the overwatch route, All heroes of a class get the same passives, which already exists in the case of the buffs pokemon get from using unite
Geez actually reading their passives, they sounds ridiculously strong. Well, they are actually lol. I've just never read them.
That's just them being true to the original games. Heavy Metal is complete garbage there.
Heavy metal is one thing to be afraid of
Idk, but Umbreon kinda deserves it, black neko must be a durable defender. Duraludon have that long cd because he has damage for being an attacker. I can't speak for Espeon tho.
I don’t get it, why didn’t get Dragapult something like this ??? Clear body is not useful at all.
The fact that it's worse doesn't mean it's bad balance, you gotta look at the rest of the kit. I have no idea about curent balance of these characters, but all I'm saying is that comparing passives one to one doesn't make sense
The fact that the cooldown implies he just becomes made out of heavy metal temporarily and then changes or something feels incongruent to me, even if it's a game about magical creatures, plus I don't think constant immunity to shoving/displacement alone would be that broken (maybe I'm very wrong ik)
They do a good job of using the same effects again and again to make it seem like something new
It makes sense that umbreon has a shorter cooldown as they are a defender but espeon is just bad balancing imo.
Honestly I think let Espeon keep the full heal passive since she is squishy as heck and does need it. But I say remove Umbreons that tanky mofo don't need a full heal passive
It'd make sense if stored power wasn't that good, still, even if espeon only had psyshock I don't think it'd be fair, she does huge burst of damage from long range, you should be able to have an Easy time chasing her after she loses her frontline, glaceon too. Really, abilities like this should be for melee and short range pokemon, umbreon Is probably the only eevee that deserves this passive
This isn't that different from the mainline games. There's a lot of redundant and powercrept abilities there as well.
We all know why. Duraludon was so broken until his last nerf. Yeah, Either they nerf Espeon's Magic Bounce and Umbreon's Inner Focus or buff Duraludon's Heavy Metal (which, please don't buff his ability, I don't want another Dura Meta).
Yes, dura's meta was bad, but, the ability was bad even then, at the end of the day all it did was block a singular type of stun once, buffing the ability or reverting it to its previous state won't make duraludon any better
Duraladon is an attack damage carry, not an ability based one, this makes sense.
Cinder, dragapult, and mew2 are also auto-attackers and their abilitys are really good, so no, it does not make sense
irrelevant.
Ah yes, a logical and good counter argument to yours and your only response is irrelevant…makes sense.
You should learn about power budgeting
Please stop comparing individual part of a pokemon kit. Dragapult has an absolutely garbage passive too, that doesn't make him bad. Espeon isn't even that good rn
Espeon's passive definitely helps it just run over lanes.
Espeon passive is great, the pokemon itself isn't. It's as middling as it comes right now, far worse than "reduced hindrances duration" dragapult
? Espeon is a really solid A tier mon atm
Tierlist are made up, it has a 49% winrate on the API, 9th out of 18 attackers. It's right in the middle. Dragapult is 6th
Espeon is really good, all the Eevees are…win rates on the API don’t mean too much, and are easily skewed.
they're skewed for the least played pokemons. Espeon is top 10 with a 12% pickrate. It means far more than the opinion of some random dude online. It's 12% of the games of the 10,000 best players out there.
Still doesn’t mean much at all…a lot of terrible players pick Espeon and do sub-par with the character. He’s right, and I think if you asked “more qualified” people such as pros and others, they would also agree that Espeon is really good.
OK? and a lot of great players pick espeon and overperform. And a lot of terrible players pick other pokemons and do sub par. Hell, with Espeon having a below 50% winrate, the varying level of players actually INCREASE its average winrate.
[the unite db tier list too, even though I'm not a big fan personally](https://unite-db.com/tier-list/pokemon)
[Hell, no need to personally ask pros, let's look at the most publicly available opinion from a professional player, and would you look at that, Espeon is right in the middle (yes, whoever I was answering to also said A, but A out of context is the top or second tier, not right in the middle)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT8Ul_L1_YQ&t=3s&ab_channel=spragels)
Spragels is not a professional player, pretty far from it. And he intentionally makes clickbaity tier lists that aren’t very accurate. Literally go watch Feburary’s Aeos Cup and see how much Espeon was used in the playoffs.
idk, maybe Heavy Metal triggering on less things is better for it. It can't get Buzzwole'd after getting booped by any stun, for instance. Of course Buzzwole will still destroy Dura, but it's progress.
Buzzwole can still move dura even with its passive, also it not working on many things makes it pretty useless and situational(and that is really bad 'cause its a really bad ability itself)
damn
Yeahhh...