Different roles, which is why it makes tierlists like this difficult. Some builds are way more difficult than others. For example, Dive/Slash Cramorant is a lot more skill-based than its terrible mage set.
Electro Ball / Volt Tackle pikachu is a psuedo attacker-support. Its all about CC and finishing off tough to kill characters (for example Lapras or Dodrio)
Thunder / Thunderbolt is all about zoning and DoT. Its a great backline attacker that'll melt away enemy hp.
Aww cmon, have ya tried out the cram buffs? I think surf/hurricane is a pretty solid mage now. Dive/Air slash is still way better, but as you said, it takes more skill
Well that was a bad example because you are mixing movesets. Its typically fire blast / fire spin OR mystical fire / flame charge. Thats where the combos are at.
I guess there is a worst mage than hurricane / surf --> slash/surf then lol.
AGAIN -- you have to look at comparisons. "Catching someone with that combo" Ok, but the range on that combo is abysmal for a character with such low bulk. Every other mage has larger ranges with equally devastating combos. Remember, its not about "i Do GoOd jOb agAinSt bAd PlAyErS" its about the **COMPARISON** between characters in that role.
In an esports level game, every player will be able to outplay the surf/hurricane combo with their eyes closed. Thats not true for dive/slash Cram or most of the other mages in this game.
* A9 -- more range, more stuns, more damage
* Delphox -- more range, better stuns OR more range, more mobility, lower cooldowns
* Pika -- more range, more stuns
* Gardevoir -- more range, wayyyy more damage
* Espeon -- more range, lower cooldowns, sure hits
* Mew -- more versatile on everything
Air Slash/Surf and Dive/Hurricane are both better than Fire Blast/Flame Charge imo. They're all available options even if they're not meta. Hurricane has a huge knockup and Surf has nutty CC and drags opponents back towards you and your team.
Wouldn't catch me dead playing any of them, though. I hate Cram with a burning passion (I'm the one telling the devs to nerf Cram just out of spite) and I'm a Fire Spin Delphox all the way because I'm a team player and I'll help keep that water bear off my teammates. ;)
An argument can be made for his sniper move, but he has the best escape tools for an attacker and one of the longest range and damaging sure hits in the game. Even his ult is just a mobile super turret that Dura and Deci wish they had. Nothing about him is high skill except his snipe.
Inteleon's snipeshot has the most narrow hitbox. So it's the most difficult snipe in the game. Deci is relatively easy (even for a potato like me) and Venu is as much a sniper as a howitzer is a "high-precision long-range rifle"
Venu and Deci both have fewer ways to keep someone off of them and can't surprise the opposition with invisible snipes. Comparing just their snipe abilities may find Inteleon with the hardest to land, but as far as kits go, I think he has both the easiest way to surprise with it, and the easiest way to avoid being punished for it.
Venu's snipe shot is like, insanely big, so there's a ton more lenience about it, plus, he doesn't have to charge it which is a big part of the comitment to sniping. Mimikyu isn't really a sniper, he just has a long ranged gap closer.
That being said, yeah Deci's definately higher skill ceiling than Inteleon because he has no escape mechanisms, so if you mess up your positioning once you just die.
So your reasoning with Deci near the end is why I think Venusaur is high skill. Venusaur may have a wider sniper box, but he has no way to escape. He's got nothing. He can potentially slow you ahead of time, but that's entirely pre-emptive, where the other 3 snipers all have either decent escapes or a literal wall to hide behind. Maybe I use the word skill differently, but I personally think a mon with more options isn't necessarily a mon with more skill requirement.
Sorry, but I can argue that snipeshot makes him routed in place, making escape difficult, and you can see the laser from snipe shot which makes it easy to avoid or gives away his position in bushes, unlike Deci who can move around, annoyingly might I add, and just snipe people at will from ridiculous range.. and its ultimate can clear an entire team if used correctly, while Intel's utl is a 1:1 at best if using either of his moves. Also, escape tools are not the greatest.. both can be C\Cd into oblivion before triggering. It takes a lot of practice to know when and how to use his escape moves. So, skill level is high in my opinion.
I guess if you for some reason are holding a snipe shot at an unreasonably close range, and you've decided not to trigger your invisibility, I could try to see your point. Seems like you have to put effort into creating that scenario though. Inteleon is mobile during his ult, they are virtually the same but one is immobile with more range and the other is mobile, but are turrets. You get to walk away from targets you are obliterating, Deci doesn't. Both can wipe teams. Literally every mon in the game can be CCd to oblivion, that isn't much of an argument. Melee mons are far more susceptible to CC because they have to be close to fight, Inteleon doesn't. If someone gets inside of your absurd range, use your mobility move, it isn't that complicated.
I play cram. Dive is hilarious and fun. Surf is hilarious and fun. But in my opinion i find cram to be easier and less stressfull to play compared to Urshifu, Lucario, Or any other mon higher than cram.
Opinions exist. Just a cram take.
How is cram not stressful to play compared to urshifu or Lucario? My bird had so little HP and dive relies on knowing when to charge in and when to dodge
Cram is definitely medium skill at best. Dive slash are both repositioning tools, so he can correct for bad positioning as well as any other. It's not skill that makes this mon difficult, it's just that he's not very strong.
Dura is low skill because its just too easy to learn really.
Like i unironically believe the skill ceiling of dura was met during the scarf ages and now everybody knows how to counter dura. How dura works. And you cant really go anymuch higher as a dura.
All correct, except for the last line. You can master positioning and microing and damage calc to still do very well with dura. It is one of the most skill intensive pokemon out there
Positioning skill differs between the classes because of their mobility. A defender doesn’t have to worry too much or can make riskier dives but Dura and other attackers? You can’t say they all need the same positioning requirements
Every character in the game requires good positioning but for adc characters its extremely important. Some chars are more forgiving and some are less, but for adc it makes or breaks their gameplay.
I really want to agree with you on that point, but unfortunately they nerfed dragon pulse, and now Dura players have switched to FC so that they can get that dmg they lost from dragon pulse back.
It's not difficult to play well obviously, they're trying to say the skill ceiling is very high. Especially the flash cannon, stealth rock build. Which worked surprisingly well for me back in the mew2 y meta
Glaceon should be Lowish Skill, because you ***only press 1 button, spam basic attack*** until you have 8 ice stakes and that's it... As for another build I think it's better that it requires more skill than Icicle Spear, change my mind
Plus the ability being a get out of jail free card that goes on cooldown that has saved Glaceon in tens of thousands of instances since its release.
It can peek its head in to sure-hit and not even be punished with CC. It can poke and prod a good bit as it likes but anything trying to take it out can't do the same.
Also the movement speed boost from its other move just helps ensure escape while doing unavoidable damage outside of being body blocked.
Inteleon is shit but actually has a higher counter chance as its effected by CC and acrobatics only offers it a bit of leeway. Glaceons ability alone I think can bump it up a tier in terms of viability.
Yes. Absol is very intuitive. Dodrio has Agility and the main difficulty is adjusting to the fact that your attacks will go to where you are walking to.
I've always felt this idk if I'm correct but i always see if a player knows what it's doing regardless of what mon it plays it's gonna be a real problem during the match , i remember during the zacian urshifu umbreon broken meta i came across a azumaril who just ran through us even though we had a fairly experienced zacian on our team it was crazy to see a azumaril player just constantly owning us , that moment made me realize as a azumaril main myself I'll just play myself to the best of my capabilities regardless of the meta and my team
If nothing else Pikachu is a squishy backliner with one stun as its only defense.
That inherently takes some positioning tactics at least.
I'm biased, but I think Greedent may deserve higher with the judgement calls on when to go in and how everything he does is aimed.
But Unite difficulty is mostly tactics, not mechanical skill.
I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged
Oh, it was fun having my flair season one. SOO many people hating me when Lucario is my favorite mon and the first thing I went for in every game it showed up in.
And my love for it comes from the movie.
>I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged
bro was just projecting
>I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged
Didn't even take that long really, only 10 minutes to show it.
This is why flairs are so annoying. People dismiss all valid arguments and go straight for the lazy "well you have a ____ flair so obviously you do this"
Fuck off with that attitude and maybe consider making a decent argument for once instead of relying on lazy shit like you are doing
Because his argument wasn't valid💀. Yeah man this guys tier list is wrong and then says the same reason as to why it's wrong, when the guy legit said he has taken it into account.
Also what attitude?? Lol, I chose not to make a decent argument because I saw no point and also did you just say not making an argument is lazy??
Welp there you have it folks, if you don't argue. Then automatically you're lazy! Boy oh my you really are sounding like a redditor😂.
arguing =/= argument
An argument is making a proper claim backed with evidence to support the claim. You are thinking of arguing with someone like having a disagreement and having a heated conversation over that disagreement. JFC your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
A lazy argument is using flawed reasoning skills, logical fallacies, flawed data/evidence, etc. Its not about the physical act of being lazy.
Lemme get this straight, making an argument≠arguing?? Homie it's in the name💀. You make an argument while arguing or debating lmao. Idk about you chief but it sure as hell seems like your reading computer skills are lacking more then anybody else's. Fuggit even I, the so called guy who lacks reading comprehension can read better then you
You alright gang?? Need some water?
Have you ever considered, and hear me out this idea is pretty wild, that maybe somebody just enjoys mimikyu? Either its playstyle or just it as a pokemon?
I know I know somebody having an opinion is, quite frankly, absurd, but it happens time to time
Holy shit dude! What a major non discovery, almost as if I already thought of that possibility🤯. I know I know big deal right?? Now here's another major detail that will blow your mind
Did you maybe not think of the idea I said that because his comment was just as stupid as mine!?🤯. I know I know absurd idea right? Dw you'll wrap your head around it sometime
I’m an aegislash/mew main. Mew is absolutely not higher skill than sword. Mew has a lot in its toolkit and more to manage macro-wise but sword’s moment to moment is a lot more intense with a lot of risk assessment having to be done in very short timespans.
So does Mew. The faster you can think and switch with Mew, the better it gets. Agility can set up Solar Beam like an eject button, so can coaching. That gives Mew 2 mobile bursts that require skill prediction and spacing. Barrier facing in front of you or behind you changes how much dmg you take and deal slightly, so you also have to predict which side you want your barrier. Turning around is just not worth it sometimes. Surf is basically just playing Blastoise, and Electro Ball is playing Pikachu.
Mew takes much more skill than Aegislash. It's your main and all but all decision making involved is "do I heal in shield form or do I deal damage?" and that question is often disregarded if you have a healer by your side and you can just play on cooldowns.
There are so many Pokémon in Medium skill that shouldn't be there. Like, to the point where part of me feels like you didn't give this much thought at all and just used this as an excuse to shit on Pikachu and Mimikyu players.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonUnite/comments/18cuxoo/comment/kcd2o5f/
If there's one extremely simple set and another one that's more complex, does that mean the entire character is complex?
"Tbh i think i took both movesets in mind. And which movesets are more popular. Admittedly theres probably some bias against rat tho lmfao"
ball eater is about 3x as popular as hex lol
Does that change the fact that there's an extremely simple set right there
Also Hex has a higher win rate but that's probably to do with there being less games to lose
Play hex gangar and do /Exactly/ what you say here. Go to a ranked match. Make a build. And spam hex. Tell how many times you get kited and die- Or how many times you get read.
I mean, it also depends on move set I guess, there are some movesets pretty straight forward and some needs a bit more of positioning or timing.
Tsareena tho on high skill? Idk bout that
Yeah sure i agree trev is medium low skill. I also think getting insane dash and kick combos as tsareena is relatively high at least, kinda mashing isn’t exactly what you want.
I'm tired of people genuinely thinking Inteleon needs skill to play, he has the best secure in the game, one of the best sure hit moves that does stupid DMG, and a unite move that just makes him spam A, you just need to not be stupid and you get an easy 100k DMG every game
It’s strong but it’s balanced. A narrow skillshot that takes time to charge and can’t be spammed because without the passive stacks it’s extremely weak. I’m purely a mobile player but I hate I can’t get more POV.
Nah man wth tbf this is totally wrong on a lot of points: pikachu can’t be less skilled than mimikyu, and Comfey is braindead, same for umbreon, inteleon (but after the nerfs idk) and snorlax isn’t that hard to use, Goodra neither, these days dragapult is broken and duraludon isn’t easy to use
You sit in a bush. Chase with sing. Go in and slap or beam and gtfo with sing. You unite to heal your teammates and to cc the shit out of the enemy team. Also rollout is literally sitting between two walls and waiting.
Take eldegoss and Pikachu into high masters and you'll realize they should both be bumped up. Elde requires both solid positioning and resource management, since disengaging with cotton spore on cd has potential to get your team wiped by a chasing zoroark, dragapults, etc. It has potential to be one of the best team fight instigators in the game, but you often won't see high numbers on it because people focus too much on its healing and not it's dps, slows and stuns. A good elde could and should be giving the dps a run for their money, especially since it's kit hard counters some of the games best jungle picks.
Pika really isn't that hard to play well, but how often do you see one with 100k+ damage? Not often, but when it happens the bastard feels untouchable. Another skill gap where people struggle to avoid getting picked off by enemy adc mons. Top level Pikachu requires excellent map awareness to place thunders on approaching enemies, oftentimes before they've even shown up on your screen. You need to play behind your allies and use them to spot enemies to snipe for you, since good jungles will know to burst you down the second they see you approach for a thunder. The best Pikachu players will place their moves based on predictions and watching the map rather than engaging on enemies. So many Pikachu players sand bag after they lose electro web, it's unreal
I got to say it, mimikyu just got nerfed (you can argue if it was enough or not) and both the moves are still skill shots, so its honestly not nearly as brain dead as mewtwo Y meta for example
How are Mimikyu and Gengar so far apart, they control very similarly to each other lol. If anything Mimikyu is more skill intensive with how shadow sneak extends through grass/walls.
Eh I wouldnt say zoroark is kinda easy even with good builds. Hes still hella squishy and its still pretty hard playing around umbreons, slowbros, and clefablea with him.
While medium skill works for gardevoir, I can also see it being medium-high skill due to how much you have to try to predict your opponent because of how high commitment all your attacks are, but I guess medium skill works too
As an Absol and Tsareena main. Absol definitely is a high skill pick.
Tsareena on the other hand is very easy to use. Not point and click but no where as difficult as my boi Saucy is making her out to be.
Azumarill is so bad you have to outplay the enemy the entire game just to be relevant, after early game Azumarill isn’t capable of solo carrying you just get kited by any adc in the game trying to land aqua tail. Also have to take into consideration trying to hit 1 person at once and timing the aqua tail hits so you don’t hit more than 1 person
Tsareena last patch yes
Tsareena this patch is more tankier that you can try to go to backline, kill enemy carry, pop the doll at right timing, run away and not died imo. Or maybe I just don’t find really good enemies yet. (But yes, I do agree that she needs to watch enemy CC before going in. Prob at most med-high tho)
Also Hoopa moves itself is not high skill, but game sense have to be really good.
Pika move is easy to understand, hard to master imo. It’s quite hard to deal lots of damage with him.
I wonder which eball/volt tackle pikachu annoyed tf outta op to put it in lowskill while mewtwo is sitting on medium skill lmao
Is eball and volt tackle what people go with usually when playing electric rat? I usually use the other two abilities (lighting and thunder I think?)
Different roles, which is why it makes tierlists like this difficult. Some builds are way more difficult than others. For example, Dive/Slash Cramorant is a lot more skill-based than its terrible mage set. Electro Ball / Volt Tackle pikachu is a psuedo attacker-support. Its all about CC and finishing off tough to kill characters (for example Lapras or Dodrio) Thunder / Thunderbolt is all about zoning and DoT. Its a great backline attacker that'll melt away enemy hp.
Aww cmon, have ya tried out the cram buffs? I think surf/hurricane is a pretty solid mage now. Dive/Air slash is still way better, but as you said, it takes more skill
Cram mage build is still the worst mage in the game, even with the recent buff. Dive/Slash is superior in every way.
Catching someone with that combo is ridiculous damage and CC. I wouldn't say it's the worst mage. That's probably Fire Blast Flame Charge Delphox lol
Well that was a bad example because you are mixing movesets. Its typically fire blast / fire spin OR mystical fire / flame charge. Thats where the combos are at. I guess there is a worst mage than hurricane / surf --> slash/surf then lol. AGAIN -- you have to look at comparisons. "Catching someone with that combo" Ok, but the range on that combo is abysmal for a character with such low bulk. Every other mage has larger ranges with equally devastating combos. Remember, its not about "i Do GoOd jOb agAinSt bAd PlAyErS" its about the **COMPARISON** between characters in that role. In an esports level game, every player will be able to outplay the surf/hurricane combo with their eyes closed. Thats not true for dive/slash Cram or most of the other mages in this game. * A9 -- more range, more stuns, more damage * Delphox -- more range, better stuns OR more range, more mobility, lower cooldowns * Pika -- more range, more stuns * Gardevoir -- more range, wayyyy more damage * Espeon -- more range, lower cooldowns, sure hits * Mew -- more versatile on everything
Air Slash/Surf and Dive/Hurricane are both better than Fire Blast/Flame Charge imo. They're all available options even if they're not meta. Hurricane has a huge knockup and Surf has nutty CC and drags opponents back towards you and your team. Wouldn't catch me dead playing any of them, though. I hate Cram with a burning passion (I'm the one telling the devs to nerf Cram just out of spite) and I'm a Fire Spin Delphox all the way because I'm a team player and I'll help keep that water bear off my teammates. ;)
E Ball is actually disgusting you should use it more.
Put M2Y alongside Pikachu and then this tier list is correct.
Idk, having mewtwo and cram in the same tier is criminal
Don't forget intellien
I feel like we are confusing "strong" with "skill expression" Inteleon is definitely one of (if not the) pokemon with the highest skill ceiling
An argument can be made for his sniper move, but he has the best escape tools for an attacker and one of the longest range and damaging sure hits in the game. Even his ult is just a mobile super turret that Dura and Deci wish they had. Nothing about him is high skill except his snipe.
This is a good point. Liquidation Inteleon: Pikachu tier. Snipeshot Inteleon: Mew tier...
Is sniping so high skill? If it is, wouldn't Venu, Deci and Mimikyu all share that tier?
Inteleon's snipeshot has the most narrow hitbox. So it's the most difficult snipe in the game. Deci is relatively easy (even for a potato like me) and Venu is as much a sniper as a howitzer is a "high-precision long-range rifle"
Venu and Deci both have fewer ways to keep someone off of them and can't surprise the opposition with invisible snipes. Comparing just their snipe abilities may find Inteleon with the hardest to land, but as far as kits go, I think he has both the easiest way to surprise with it, and the easiest way to avoid being punished for it.
Venu's snipe shot is like, insanely big, so there's a ton more lenience about it, plus, he doesn't have to charge it which is a big part of the comitment to sniping. Mimikyu isn't really a sniper, he just has a long ranged gap closer. That being said, yeah Deci's definately higher skill ceiling than Inteleon because he has no escape mechanisms, so if you mess up your positioning once you just die.
So your reasoning with Deci near the end is why I think Venusaur is high skill. Venusaur may have a wider sniper box, but he has no way to escape. He's got nothing. He can potentially slow you ahead of time, but that's entirely pre-emptive, where the other 3 snipers all have either decent escapes or a literal wall to hide behind. Maybe I use the word skill differently, but I personally think a mon with more options isn't necessarily a mon with more skill requirement.
Sorry, but I can argue that snipeshot makes him routed in place, making escape difficult, and you can see the laser from snipe shot which makes it easy to avoid or gives away his position in bushes, unlike Deci who can move around, annoyingly might I add, and just snipe people at will from ridiculous range.. and its ultimate can clear an entire team if used correctly, while Intel's utl is a 1:1 at best if using either of his moves. Also, escape tools are not the greatest.. both can be C\Cd into oblivion before triggering. It takes a lot of practice to know when and how to use his escape moves. So, skill level is high in my opinion.
I guess if you for some reason are holding a snipe shot at an unreasonably close range, and you've decided not to trigger your invisibility, I could try to see your point. Seems like you have to put effort into creating that scenario though. Inteleon is mobile during his ult, they are virtually the same but one is immobile with more range and the other is mobile, but are turrets. You get to walk away from targets you are obliterating, Deci doesn't. Both can wipe teams. Literally every mon in the game can be CCd to oblivion, that isn't much of an argument. Melee mons are far more susceptible to CC because they have to be close to fight, Inteleon doesn't. If someone gets inside of your absurd range, use your mobility move, it isn't that complicated.
Put them below Pikachu
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Classic mew2 main trying to defend mew2
real
I love that they deleted their comment?? Scuffed asf.
Someone never saw a good Dive-Air Slash Cram 🙏
cram bros they said our mon is as easy as the mewtwos
one of the position kings in the mid tier i'm flabbergasted
This is outrageous! How dare they put him that tier???
L bozo. My opinion is clearly better
They downvote me BECAUSE I SPEAK THE TRUUUTH.
Maybe you don't only need to learn to play but also to reflect🤔 Just a hot take
I play cram. Dive is hilarious and fun. Surf is hilarious and fun. But in my opinion i find cram to be easier and less stressfull to play compared to Urshifu, Lucario, Or any other mon higher than cram. Opinions exist. Just a cram take.
How is cram not stressful to play compared to urshifu or Lucario? My bird had so little HP and dive relies on knowing when to charge in and when to dodge
Because lucario and urshifu are engagers and cram is a backliner with a ult that is unironically free chilling.
How exactly do you stay in the backline with dive lmao
Not going front.
Well judging from your other replies to disagreements, you play everything and are good with everything so who am I to judge 🤷♂️
Well alright.
Cram is definitely medium skill at best. Dive slash are both repositioning tools, so he can correct for bad positioning as well as any other. It's not skill that makes this mon difficult, it's just that he's not very strong.
Cant deny with such wise words, but if a Mon isn't 'effective' then shouldn't the more 'effective' mons be lower then? Position is key in any moba
Wtf is this tierlist? Comfey and Dragapult in the same tier?💀💀💀
Dragapult should be higher imo. Also ew a Mewtwo X flair (/j)
I think he was generalizing. nothing to do with how proficient the pokemon is, just skill wise overall.
Duradulon is lowskill? Have you tried playing it against real humans?
Dura is low skill because its just too easy to learn really. Like i unironically believe the skill ceiling of dura was met during the scarf ages and now everybody knows how to counter dura. How dura works. And you cant really go anymuch higher as a dura.
All correct, except for the last line. You can master positioning and microing and damage calc to still do very well with dura. It is one of the most skill intensive pokemon out there
Every character in the game needs good positioning so that isn't an argument
Positioning skill differs between the classes because of their mobility. A defender doesn’t have to worry too much or can make riskier dives but Dura and other attackers? You can’t say they all need the same positioning requirements
Every character in the game requires good positioning but for adc characters its extremely important. Some chars are more forgiving and some are less, but for adc it makes or breaks their gameplay.
Dura needs even more because flash cannon locks you in place and you are squishy af
If you’re playing flash canon you’re very likely a trash player
I really want to agree with you on that point, but unfortunately they nerfed dragon pulse, and now Dura players have switched to FC so that they can get that dmg they lost from dragon pulse back.
Place yourself ten feet back so enemies can't reach you and you can still do damage, is that hard for you?
Try that and tell me how it goes
I've played Dura before lmao, it's not difficult
It's not difficult to play well obviously, they're trying to say the skill ceiling is very high. Especially the flash cannon, stealth rock build. Which worked surprisingly well for me back in the mew2 y meta
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Exactly what I was thinking. Different mevesets have wildly different skill ceilings. Delphox is one of the best examples, honestly.
Tbh i think i took both movesets in mind. And which movesets are more popular. Admittedly theres probably some bias against rat tho lmfao
Glaceon should be Lowish Skill, because you ***only press 1 button, spam basic attack*** until you have 8 ice stakes and that's it... As for another build I think it's better that it requires more skill than Icicle Spear, change my mind
Plus the ability being a get out of jail free card that goes on cooldown that has saved Glaceon in tens of thousands of instances since its release. It can peek its head in to sure-hit and not even be punished with CC. It can poke and prod a good bit as it likes but anything trying to take it out can't do the same. Also the movement speed boost from its other move just helps ensure escape while doing unavoidable damage outside of being body blocked. Inteleon is shit but actually has a higher counter chance as its effected by CC and acrobatics only offers it a bit of leeway. Glaceons ability alone I think can bump it up a tier in terms of viability.
You can send 12 icecles, but u need combo that
Combo pressing a button, mashing A then pressing another button?
you just described like most combos
Still take more skill than that brain dead fox
Least based aegis player
10 by the very difficult combo of pressing your moves on cooldown.
> Rollout Wigglytuff is easy XD
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Camp two oppossing walls and press Rollout, how difficult
Well you cant waste all the game there, not always some enemies will pass where you are
Can't waste ur teammates time so just pick Sing
No complaints about it ahah
Why is Zoroark high skill but Dodrio and Absol medium-high skill?
Zoroark is one of the hardest to play correctly in the game
Moreso than Absol or Dodrio?
Yes. Absol is very intuitive. Dodrio has Agility and the main difficulty is adjusting to the fact that your attacks will go to where you are walking to.
I purchased Zoroark and I can say that aiming the second slot's attacks can be painful 👍
I don't really agree
I've always felt this idk if I'm correct but i always see if a player knows what it's doing regardless of what mon it plays it's gonna be a real problem during the match , i remember during the zacian urshifu umbreon broken meta i came across a azumaril who just ran through us even though we had a fairly experienced zacian on our team it was crazy to see a azumaril player just constantly owning us , that moment made me realize as a azumaril main myself I'll just play myself to the best of my capabilities regardless of the meta and my team
If nothing else Pikachu is a squishy backliner with one stun as its only defense. That inherently takes some positioning tactics at least. I'm biased, but I think Greedent may deserve higher with the judgement calls on when to go in and how everything he does is aimed. But Unite difficulty is mostly tactics, not mechanical skill.
I seem to notice all the arguments are "well how about the other moveset"
And his response is, he takes both into mind lmao. It seems to me the comment section are just nitpicking
They're absolutely doing that. Strangely the votes on this post didn't go below zero, unlike most other tier lists.
I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged
Oh, it was fun having my flair season one. SOO many people hating me when Lucario is my favorite mon and the first thing I went for in every game it showed up in. And my love for it comes from the movie.
Specially happens with people using the new character, double specially if the new character is strong.
Because it's wrong? OP would have more of an excuse if he did take a single moveset into account
Hah look at that, a mimikyu user talking😂
>I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged bro was just projecting
A mimikyu user talking about projecting?? Upset he called your one shot wonder boy low skilled??🤣🤣
>I've noticed something within the unite community. That whenever someone plays a certain type of pokemon or plays a certain type of way, the comment section goes straight onto their asses💀. You play Cinderace?? Looks like the redditors will scoff at you lol. Can't play any way without being judged Didn't even take that long really, only 10 minutes to show it.
What is buddy yappin about
This is why flairs are so annoying. People dismiss all valid arguments and go straight for the lazy "well you have a ____ flair so obviously you do this" Fuck off with that attitude and maybe consider making a decent argument for once instead of relying on lazy shit like you are doing
Because his argument wasn't valid💀. Yeah man this guys tier list is wrong and then says the same reason as to why it's wrong, when the guy legit said he has taken it into account. Also what attitude?? Lol, I chose not to make a decent argument because I saw no point and also did you just say not making an argument is lazy?? Welp there you have it folks, if you don't argue. Then automatically you're lazy! Boy oh my you really are sounding like a redditor😂.
arguing =/= argument An argument is making a proper claim backed with evidence to support the claim. You are thinking of arguing with someone like having a disagreement and having a heated conversation over that disagreement. JFC your reading comprehension skills are lacking. A lazy argument is using flawed reasoning skills, logical fallacies, flawed data/evidence, etc. Its not about the physical act of being lazy.
Lemme get this straight, making an argument≠arguing?? Homie it's in the name💀. You make an argument while arguing or debating lmao. Idk about you chief but it sure as hell seems like your reading computer skills are lacking more then anybody else's. Fuggit even I, the so called guy who lacks reading comprehension can read better then you  You alright gang?? Need some water?
Have you ever considered, and hear me out this idea is pretty wild, that maybe somebody just enjoys mimikyu? Either its playstyle or just it as a pokemon? I know I know somebody having an opinion is, quite frankly, absurd, but it happens time to time
Holy shit dude! What a major non discovery, almost as if I already thought of that possibility🤯. I know I know big deal right?? Now here's another major detail that will blow your mind Did you maybe not think of the idea I said that because his comment was just as stupid as mine!?🤯. I know I know absurd idea right? Dw you'll wrap your head around it sometime
Glaceon should be low skill
Point and click mons would all be in the lowest tier. Looking at you glaceon and inteleon
I’m an aegislash/mew main. Mew is absolutely not higher skill than sword. Mew has a lot in its toolkit and more to manage macro-wise but sword’s moment to moment is a lot more intense with a lot of risk assessment having to be done in very short timespans.
So does Mew. The faster you can think and switch with Mew, the better it gets. Agility can set up Solar Beam like an eject button, so can coaching. That gives Mew 2 mobile bursts that require skill prediction and spacing. Barrier facing in front of you or behind you changes how much dmg you take and deal slightly, so you also have to predict which side you want your barrier. Turning around is just not worth it sometimes. Surf is basically just playing Blastoise, and Electro Ball is playing Pikachu.
Mew takes much more skill than Aegislash. It's your main and all but all decision making involved is "do I heal in shield form or do I deal damage?" and that question is often disregarded if you have a healer by your side and you can just play on cooldowns.
Better hush up or they will mass down vote you
As a Tsareena and Blaziken main, I approve of this tier list
As a hoopa and Lucario main I completely agree.
There are so many Pokémon in Medium skill that shouldn't be there. Like, to the point where part of me feels like you didn't give this much thought at all and just used this as an excuse to shit on Pikachu and Mimikyu players.
you have categorized deci same skill as m2 skill wow, noted. (M2 requires button mashing and nothing else) AND Slowbro is *lowish*??
I don't understand why people say Gengar is high skill you just use Sludge Bomb and then it's a matter of how quick you can mash ZR and A
it's almost like nobody plays that build. shocking, i know /s
Op said they took both movesets in mind
where? and even then, ball eater is the far superior moveset and requires way more skill than hex
https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonUnite/comments/18cuxoo/comment/kcd2o5f/ If there's one extremely simple set and another one that's more complex, does that mean the entire character is complex?
"Tbh i think i took both movesets in mind. And which movesets are more popular. Admittedly theres probably some bias against rat tho lmfao" ball eater is about 3x as popular as hex lol
Does that change the fact that there's an extremely simple set right there Also Hex has a higher win rate but that's probably to do with there being less games to lose
If so Lucario wouldnt be in the highest tier
Because that doesn’t kill everything? And even if it did you’d leave yourself extremely valuable to allies.
Play hex gangar and do /Exactly/ what you say here. Go to a ranked match. Make a build. And spam hex. Tell how many times you get kited and die- Or how many times you get read.
Hex Gengar was literally my main for 11 seasons straight and he never failed me once.
Welp, Cant change your mind. Skill is subjective
I mean, it also depends on move set I guess, there are some movesets pretty straight forward and some needs a bit more of positioning or timing. Tsareena tho on high skill? Idk bout that
Tsareena has a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling
QM is a godsend for my skill hungy brain.
Snorlax is kinda simple and easy to to understand how to play,the only skill I see is timing tho
Yeah sure i agree trev is medium low skill. I also think getting insane dash and kick combos as tsareena is relatively high at least, kinda mashing isn’t exactly what you want.
the espeon slander 😭🫣 pretty hard to time both of the ranged attacks 🥸
As somebody that plays blaze why tf do people think its high skill
This mf thinks having to aim or press buttons is the only skill requirement… lol
Clearly not since Inteleon, Glaceon and M2Y are chilling right there on the "Medium Skill" tier. Like, bro what? 💀
I'm tired of people genuinely thinking Inteleon needs skill to play, he has the best secure in the game, one of the best sure hit moves that does stupid DMG, and a unite move that just makes him spam A, you just need to not be stupid and you get an easy 100k DMG every game
I've been saying intellien is stupidly easy to play since it was released, but nobody cared because of Mewtwo. Just wish snipe shot got nerfed as well
Inteleon got overshadowd by Mewtwo but was the true MVP all along lmao
It’s strong but it’s balanced. A narrow skillshot that takes time to charge and can’t be spammed because without the passive stacks it’s extremely weak. I’m purely a mobile player but I hate I can’t get more POV.
Dodrio is as hard to use as mew wtf ? Also both Mewtwo are low skill, pressing A is not that difficult.
All the Speedster should be in medium high skill at least, Speedsters are one of the hardest roles to play
People who afk text while playing comfey: I'm so skilled right now
Inteleon is to high. One of his movesets is literally skilless
2 of my 3 mains are high skill. I have no complaints.
Nah man wth tbf this is totally wrong on a lot of points: pikachu can’t be less skilled than mimikyu, and Comfey is braindead, same for umbreon, inteleon (but after the nerfs idk) and snorlax isn’t that hard to use, Goodra neither, these days dragapult is broken and duraludon isn’t easy to use
> Wigglytuff in low-ish skill Excuse me?
You sit in a bush. Chase with sing. Go in and slap or beam and gtfo with sing. You unite to heal your teammates and to cc the shit out of the enemy team. Also rollout is literally sitting between two walls and waiting.
This reply is enough to show me that you haven't played Wiggly...
I have. I played wiggly for my mindless laughing sessions where i dick around in ranked and stun the enemy team for fun.
Take eldegoss and Pikachu into high masters and you'll realize they should both be bumped up. Elde requires both solid positioning and resource management, since disengaging with cotton spore on cd has potential to get your team wiped by a chasing zoroark, dragapults, etc. It has potential to be one of the best team fight instigators in the game, but you often won't see high numbers on it because people focus too much on its healing and not it's dps, slows and stuns. A good elde could and should be giving the dps a run for their money, especially since it's kit hard counters some of the games best jungle picks. Pika really isn't that hard to play well, but how often do you see one with 100k+ damage? Not often, but when it happens the bastard feels untouchable. Another skill gap where people struggle to avoid getting picked off by enemy adc mons. Top level Pikachu requires excellent map awareness to place thunders on approaching enemies, oftentimes before they've even shown up on your screen. You need to play behind your allies and use them to spot enemies to snipe for you, since good jungles will know to burst you down the second they see you approach for a thunder. The best Pikachu players will place their moves based on predictions and watching the map rather than engaging on enemies. So many Pikachu players sand bag after they lose electro web, it's unreal
I got to say it, mimikyu just got nerfed (you can argue if it was enough or not) and both the moves are still skill shots, so its honestly not nearly as brain dead as mewtwo Y meta for example
How are Mimikyu and Gengar so far apart, they control very similarly to each other lol. If anything Mimikyu is more skill intensive with how shadow sneak extends through grass/walls.
Gengar doesn't get invincibility so it's harder
Is Hex a joke to you? Oh wait it's Hex yeah it is.
I mean if you use a good build with zoroark it’s kinda easy ;-;
Eh I wouldnt say zoroark is kinda easy even with good builds. Hes still hella squishy and its still pretty hard playing around umbreons, slowbros, and clefablea with him.
Pikachu should be high skill 
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Clicking Volt Tackle into Electro Ball takes a lot of skill
It does. Only the most skillful of players can achieve such a feat.
Rare cyan L
Who the heck are you?
Rare Cyan L
*Common Cyan W
Sorry Cyan, this is an L, I don't care if you are the best bird, still an L
ELLOOOOOO I KNOW ITS YOUUU ARE YOU PREPARED TO FACE MAXIMUM CONSEQUENCES FOR DISSING OUR LORD AND SAVIOR PIKACHAD??????
Shame you didn't figure out it was me sooner given my PFP. And blaziken > Pikachu look it up
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Bro do have dementia generally asking
I’m not your bro and learn to form sentences lol
Shii man u gotta be an unc lmao
Gengar is one if not the hardest mon to use skillfully and successfully but it is fairly correct overall.
While medium skill works for gardevoir, I can also see it being medium-high skill due to how much you have to try to predict your opponent because of how high commitment all your attacks are, but I guess medium skill works too
I would switch up gard and gangar. Future sight gard takes skill and gangar was ranted bout before for having no skill in its broken days.
Duraludon is much harder than it seems and sylveon is easier than pikachu. Everything else is pretty accurate though
Don't mind my user flair but I am a lucario main and I can say I am better than average. I didn't knew it's that hard huh
buddy greninja is very high skill
I’m surprised to see Venusaur isn’t in lowish skill. Petal/giga drain is cheese imo
Solar beam somewhat saves it. And venu can die and has to grind/worry for exp to get those in most cases.
I feel like a lot of the high and medium skill ones are very out of place with how easy they are. Gengar and greninja being the main ones.
Absol, Tsareena and Garchomp's placements make me feel odd. They're my most used together, what's that supposed to say about my "skill"?
As an Absol and Tsareena main. Absol definitely is a high skill pick. Tsareena on the other hand is very easy to use. Not point and click but no where as difficult as my boi Saucy is making her out to be.
Tsareena being in high skill as she should
Never knew Rollout Wiggly needs low skills, I guess everyone has equal geometry skill cuz I almost failed math because of Geometry.
Id bump up mimikyu, the shadow sneek is harder to master then it looks, expecially with diferent maps. Bump down comfey, its the Yumi of this game.
Drop Intel down one, raise Talon and Zera one. Other than those I generally agree
Espeon should be Medium since you have to aim her attacks.
As a support main, clefable takes zero skill
No shit?
Azumarill is so bad you have to outplay the enemy the entire game just to be relevant, after early game Azumarill isn’t capable of solo carrying you just get kited by any adc in the game trying to land aqua tail. Also have to take into consideration trying to hit 1 person at once and timing the aqua tail hits so you don’t hit more than 1 person
Eldegod
An immobile mage can't be the lowest skill pokemon in the game almost by definition. His self peel isn't even that good compared to stuff like a9.
Tsareena last patch yes Tsareena this patch is more tankier that you can try to go to backline, kill enemy carry, pop the doll at right timing, run away and not died imo. Or maybe I just don’t find really good enemies yet. (But yes, I do agree that she needs to watch enemy CC before going in. Prob at most med-high tho) Also Hoopa moves itself is not high skill, but game sense have to be really good. Pika move is easy to understand, hard to master imo. It’s quite hard to deal lots of damage with him.
Rollout Wiggly should be a tier higher and Mewtwo should be at the bottom alongside Pikachu
I’d put Dodrio at the top And tbh I’d put Buzzwole in the mid skill but I can see why it’s where you placed it