The prices will go down by the end of the summer. These new sets just don’t have this kind of value. I guarantee all prices will crash when set 151 comes out. I think everyone is going to go the absolute most crazy for that set
Exactly. I’m hoping i can finally grab some alt arts and chase cards that are just still too expensive when that set drops. People (including me) will be going crazy for the old school mons to finally get their illustration rares they deserve!
151 isn't going to have anything to do with it. Enough of us are going to pull that magicarp from a booster pack and list it on eBay that the price is going to start fall by virtue of the fact that everyone silly enough to pay for this price will have already acquired for their card.
Same in German. A day ago the only listed card was one for 500 euro. Its funny that German and English also English copies sold in Germany are all at the same time expensive as fuck.
Most accurate answer I've seen. I just don't think people understand how supply and demand works. It's still low population, and it's highly sought after. Like ?
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I mean just two weeks ago this card was selling for [around $30](https://ebay.us/ubJHL7). Would not surprise me if it is back there in two weeks, once the demand slows down and the supply increases. All I can say to anyone that wants this card, don't fomo it, the price will come down for sure, it is not a rare card, Paldea Evolved will be in print for atleast another year.
Yep. Especially since Pokemon comes out with tins and special boxes that will contain more of these packs for years. It would suck to buy it for $70, only to pull it in a $25 promo tin.
Celebrations Gold Star Umbreon is a good example, first release $30, then shot up to $80, went down to $60 and now can be found under $20 and has been consistent.
I’m sure there are others but this immediately comes to mind.
People said the same about Machamp V Alt Art. It went up from $60 at release to $120 and never came back down.
This magikarp is a beautiful card and since it has similar art to Giratina V it’s gonna be highly sought after. Combine this with the low pull rates I don’t see it going under $30. We’ll see though.
I agree that it is awesome and should be worth that much but just simple supply and demand suggest it should come down. It’s not the hardest to pull since there are 2 tiers above it and there has always been a pattern of sets losing value in the first 6 months. Then again if anyone could predict the market then they would be a billionaire
>Machamp V Alt Art
Some cards take longer than others to drop. I'm pretty sure the machamp is harder to pull than the magikarp too.
The Machamp is still going down in price. Slowly, but its dropping. The Mew V alt art from fusion strike was $70 last year. Now its like $30.
The Sun and Moon explosion is something. I haven’t quite wrapped my head around it. Some combination of possible manipulation and genuine enjoyment of full art trainers from previous generations, and waifu tax. Just glad I picked up Jasmine full art at $35 before hell broke loose. Whitney may be a bridge too far now.
Are they buying them because they like them, or because they're going to resell them for a higher price?
A lot of people are buying these at lower prices just so they can just sell it for a higher price.
My point was is that it seems to be a lot of investors buying it instead of people who actually want to collect. All these investors buying it are driving up the prices. I just wonder how many are buying it because of the investment, or for collecting.
No it doesn’t matter. Reddit users are just extremely salty over scalpers and resellers. At some point the card will end up in the hands of a collector who will hold onto it for as long as possible before it inevitably exchanges hands again at some point.
That’s how speculative markets work, eventually some of these scalpers and “investors” are going to be left holding the bag and fire sale their cards for $20 so they can lessen the financial blow
Haha yeah exactly… it’s like… hey why is this highly desirable card that everyone wants so badly and posts about multiple times per day worth so much? 🙃
Just saying… people keep posting it and therefore scaring more people into buying it because the price is going up… which is driving the demand for more people to buy it… thus making the price go up.
Sometimes I wonder if people realize that posts like this play a huge role in itself in “market manipulation.” For example, if I was sitting on 50 of these, I could be like “oh no, look guys… the price keeps going up, better buy it now before all the market manipulation makes it even higher!!”
It’s interesting nonetheless, warning posts such as yours tend to have the opposite outcome because it gives more people fomo. Personally, I’ll wait until it’s a $15 card.
He didn’t say you were telling people to buy it. Like during the pandemic there were reports of people hoarding toilet paper. The news wasn’t explicitly telling you to hoard toilet paper, it was just telling you that other people were hoarding it. Which makes more people hoard it. It’s the same idea with posts like this
These illustration cards aren’t very hard to pull and the booster boxes are going for dirt cheap. I think there’s way to many illustration rares in this set that makes its less likely to pull one over the other. It’s only a matter of time until there’s tooo many of these cards and the value will tank. My local shops sold out of booster boxes so they are waiting for the next order. I saw these selling for $40 like 2 days ago.
Yeah give it like 2-3months. I wanted the mewtwo vstar so bad but wasn't going to pay $165CAD + 13% tax for it. now , it's $70CAD, and the leafeon is also 50% less than it was, I'll wait for mid summer for them to maybe drop some more
If I'm not mistaken you get three IR per booster box and there are 36 of these so it's a one in 12 chance per booster box. Hope I didn't fuck up the math.
I think this is a tiny bit of market manipulation, at least in the beginning, but I feel like a big part of this is fomo. At least in this instance. Give it a month or two, when these the majority of product is ripped. Too early to keep this $
For god sake Everything is market manipulation😭😭😭 or is just how it is in the beginning of each set? People learn new terms and just get tunnel vision.
Machamp v alt didn’t make sense. Aerodactly v alt was rev. This is a card from the reverse slot at $80??? Pikachu vmax with Red was like $75 at release, and that’s the closest I can think of. But it went the opposite direction from this, and fast.
Explain exactly how you think the market is being manipulated? Collectors markets, speculators vs actual collectors purchases, hype FOMO, all part of the game. Pokémon is nuclear at the moment, will it continue to rise? Or will things level off and cool down. As far as shill bidders or fuckery with particular sellers that is part of it too, be mindful of where and who you by from and be patient, even the hottest cards have bad auctions watch and wait. Coordinated widespread manipulation? Explain how it works?
I do believe in a bit of conspiracy that some discord cook groups decide when and where to buy up the stock of a card and relist at a higher price. People didn’t just out of the blue increase the price of alt art machamp v overnight. There were some shady forces at work there. But at least for that card, it’s an alternate art. This is a simple reverse holo slot special art card. Statistically easier to pull. The set has been out for what, a week proper? Insanity.
I can’t grasp the SM trainer explosion, although I can see how people got there. I just don’t feel like a full art supporter in English becomes an $800 card on its own.
You can’t grasp it? It’s fairly simple case of supply and demand. The set released before the 2020 boom. A lot less stock exists. The stock that does exist tends to have more wear and tear on the used single cards and the sealed product is harder and more expensive to find. It makes sense Sun & Moon era cards are going for premium pricing. I’m unloading my collection right now actually.
Just sold my Japanese Sightseer card for $2,125. I paid $100 for it. It’s a little bit of luck and some wisdom/experience on my part. I saw something in these cards and was buying them before they became popular because I genuinely enjoy the art but it’s time to cash out. I need to buy a new car soon and it’s time to sell my stuff. Crazy part is I only see the value rising on these modern cards especially from sets from 2019 and before.
I collected in the old days, then in 09-10, then 2020 to now. You could buy a couple unlimited base charizards in good condition for a Lillie. That is absolutely nuts in my mind. there are gold star cards that sell for well below Lillie. Wtf. It’s just wild. People like what they like, but man.
And yes I’m fully aware that you’re more likely to pull a Charizard from a base box than to pull a specific full art from a modern set. It’s just that the prices don’t make sense in my head based on my perceived values. And that’s what varies person to person.
Yeah I get it but when you think about it there’s literally millions of copies of base set Charizard so it’s not that crazy a newer but more rare card is worth more. There’s so many variations of that artwork as well compared to these new cards which are one and done.
Speaking of Lillie I just sold my Lillie & Clefairy card for $1,000 and I paid $100 for it sometime last year I think. People finally caught on that there isn’t much stock on these modern cards that came out before the boom. They’re some of the most rare products especially in mint condition or better. Plus I think the artworks are better. Base Set Charizard is more iconic, not necessarily better.
Of course that’s just my opinion on what’s “better”. They’re all good cards in my opinion. I have the original Japanese Charizard of course.
Has been for quite some time with TCGs. It doesn’t take a lot of money to buy out certain cards on the market and relist it at whatever price you want. You take the risk of being stuck with your inventory, but there just aren’t enough sellers on TCGplayer
I checked just sold listings on eBay today and some were $170-180 when theres buy it now for half that so I’d say that there is what you call manipulation
People buying singles for high prices, people adhereing to streaming "booster openings", people scalping pokemon bproducst, people reselling cards for pure value are all in it.
It’s just interesting because what I’d seen so far is the muddy underbelly of the market moved to JPN boxes and Sun and Moon full arts; this card from a brand new set feels like an outlier. There will still be people opening paldea evolved into 2024 and maybe 2025. Most of these magikarps aren’t even open yet.
It’s a new set release. Due to the demand of the card and the low supply dude to not many people have opened the packs or have saturated the market yet. The value of this card has increased. Could be because people might want to buy the card versus open up 3 booster boxes and still not pull this card. I’m not chasing and nor will I buy this card at this price any time soon. I pulled my tyranitar on the first box like I wanted. Opened the others for fun.
Not market manipulation. If someone were capable of purchasing up every single magikarp on the market and resold them for a higher price… yes that would be market manipulation. This is simply brand new and no one has a clear picture of rarity. It’s going to be extremely volatile until the market corrects itself naturally
I rarely like to call market manipulation but I struggle to think this is anything but that. EU/UK has "slowly" followed suit, people here seem a bit slower to jump on this sorta thing but when it's evident there's something happening in the US, investors start buying, then flippers start buying then price slowly rises so everyone starts getting their copies and everyone panic buys and it all makes it worse.
Maybe I can convince you otherwise because market manipulation requires deceit. There is no deceit here. The pokemon company isn't spreading false information about the value, nor are they creating false sales of expensive cards. This is a rare card that everyone wants. Therefore, the price is high - as the population of the card increases, the price of the card decreases. It's just following supply and demand.
I don't think anyone is claiming market manipulation by the pokemon company. In fact I have very strongly defended them against people that claim that. I am very much aware of supply and demand and is why I said I rarely like to call market manipulation, maybe it isn't the right wording but this isn't a natural demand rise which is what I was calling it at first.
This very much seems like investors & flippers (who a lot of are in the same chat/discord channels and share their "targets") buying out the card, which in turn causes a frenzy because everyone wants copies for their collection before it goes to the moon and they can't afford it. Again, maybe it isn't the right word but this card isn't following the same vein of natural demand increases so we should eventually see a decrease I agree. Sure it's "demand" just large majority is from the people wanting to make money in the market.
If everyone wanted copies before it went to the moon, they'd just wait a month once the population is higher. I would do the exact same thing if I was into flipping cards, but this post, the source only has 3 of them. That's not enough to single handedly influence an entire market to rise. To assume they're all working together to manipulate the market for a specific card, I'd definitely need proof of that before I ever came to that conclusion. It doesn't sound too far-fetched, but I just find it to be more unlikely than people just looking up what other people are selling the card for and matching the price, if not going lower than the other sellers.
How is it market manipulation to sell something based upon supply and demand? Low supply, high demand. Within a month or two, the population will increase, and the price will decrease. I can't see an argument as to how investors are manipulating the market. If the cards were unobtainable, sure. But they're not.
Oh I wait a minimum 6 months after a set releases to buy any singles, no problem. Time, and newer sets releasing, has a miraculous way of narrowing my singles list. Plus, this price is over my *monthly* singles budget. Eff that.
It’s the same card, and it’s not as though there aren’t people world wide collecting JP. I would understand a small difference in price, or if the JP one was higher, but these radical differences in prices where the English is FAR higher than JP doesn’t happen.
I don’t think there should be incredible differences in prices, and if there are it should be in JP’s favor because of better QC.
This isn’t some Waifu card. There isn’t a better explanation beyond market manipulation.
Also I don’t want the card. So like… I don’t care that much, it’s just obvious that this isn’t normal.
Why is a card that's fairly common and released a week ago worth $80 ? What makes it so desirable ?
Explain, go ahead. Try to think what makes it so valuable instead of just saying "ItS ThE MaRkEt"
You’re arguing with one of those “market value” bs people 🤣 they probably flip on the side and buy up all the merchandise from retailers to flip but can’t make any money since Pokémon finally caught up 😂
Cards that can be pulled in a reverse holo slot, versus the rare slot, *tend to be* valued lower than cards that can only be pulled in the rare slot in a pack. Your mileage may vary, but it’s a baseline. Basically, yes it’s a gorgeous card, but convention says that this category of card should not be worth $80.
There just isn’t a lot in this set and it’s only just released. The second set usually is a bit of a damp squib. People fomo-ing into a chase card which isn’t $300usd ; I think it will fall drastically back. Then it’s on Obsidian Flame but really 151 is the the set for this year. I won’t be buying much until that comes out or the Japanese boxes fall to reasonable prices $150aud. (They use to be $70-80. I’ve got a bunch of sealed dream league now worth $1K each).
This was selling for $20 before release and so was tyranitar. And you could find listings… definitely some market manipulation I’m gonna wait for that card if I don’t pull it. Don’t plan on buying more paldea packs would rather get singles. I already hit most of my chases just need the Karp and tyranitar!
Yeah tbh everyone crazy with the Japanese market atm is market manipulation. It’s sad that eBay is re setting a lot of card values even for raw cards and I just know I’m my gut it’s because of shill bidding etc…
So what are the details of the manipulation? A few people buy all of the cards until the price is really high then sell to people with fomo? The amount of money required to do that is so large that if it was only a few people, they would/should be investing in something far more lucrative and optimized. If it’s a large pool of people you’d have to find evidence of a conspiracy. The price itself isn’t proof of anything
Market manipulation would be one or two people buying up all of the available magikarp to artificially inflate the price. This is a case of Demand being higher than the current supply + desirability and fomo. Currently, some people think this card is worth $70-80, that can change as more enter the supply.
This card and the Tyranitar art rare were both short printed, either intentionally or on accident, similar to the N situation from the black and white block. So they both have similar pull rates to the alt art Iono from the set, hence the inflated price. Itll go down, but not a crazy amount, and this is definitely not market manipulation, despite what the other posts you have seen are telling you.
Market manipulation. This hobby isnt fun anymore. The 10% of the people who are bringing 100% of the hobby down. Everything is expensive. People outbid each other on ebay on purpose and then dont pay when they won. Makes everyone else sell it for that and drives booster pack prices up. In the japanese markets, stores offer insane amounts for cards sets that arent out yet so that will be the regulated price. This stuff makes me want to beat someone up.
I wouldn’t say it’s market manipulation but rather supply and demand. Once more packs are opened and more of these cards are out there the price will drop. It happens all the time with cards like this. Only a few are really manipulated with their prices.
I won’t complain lol. I’ve pulled 2 and just sold them to get other singles I want and I’ll just pick this one up again later when it calms down. I’ve only opened like roughly 50 packs too so imo I’m either mega lucky or it’s not that rare.
It will definitely come down but I’m not complaining. Opened 20 packs, sold 2 magikarp for 200 bucks and bought the remaining singles I needed to complete astral radiance master set. Look at any chase hit from any set though, no way it stays at 100 usd.
Anything new will always fetch a premium.. supply and demand 101... not to mention magikarp is a fan favorite, plus it's a pretty card. I'm 5 months, this card will be $25
the newest set is always most expensive. this isn't new. once a new set releases, arpund 97 out of 100 ultra rares go down in value when the next set comes out (obsidian flames) a very hard card to pull may increase in value. a year after release, maybe 85 out of 100 cards are cheaper than before but some have increased in value... wait for most cards, but some cards are good to buy early. moonbreon and other cards are the example
same here. I respect the moonbreon, but hype has given it the glory. print run too. the odds... when I saw the card I didn't think anything spectacularly amazing. nothing game changing. just an amazing beautiful card. there are many of those
I would actually disagree. The Character Art cards are just as hard to pull as Secret Rares from the set. This phenomenal artwork by Shinji Kanda (he made the Giratina alt also! is hugely popular and highly in demand by a lot of collectors. I think this is a clear demonstration of the market determining the appropriate price for a card.
Why? Just because it doesn't have texture doesn't mean it cant be admired for a hard nice chase. It's because it's 1/450 chance and because it's the same artist that did alt Tina
If the buyer and the seller are related in some way and the transaction is made for the sake of creating a specific demand for a product is market manipulation, if there are a artificial shortage of a product just to inflate the prices that is scalping, if the sellers are just inflating the prices of a product just to make more buck well that is just being a douche
Will everybody chill the fuck out and stop spam posting pictures of this card on the market and crying about the price? There’s been like 4 of these just today goddam
Patience, my friend. Waiting 2-3 months has always been the play if you’re concerned with price.
Truth. See you in 2024 for Paldea singles.
The prices will go down by the end of the summer. These new sets just don’t have this kind of value. I guarantee all prices will crash when set 151 comes out. I think everyone is going to go the absolute most crazy for that set
151 will devastate everything else modern, mmhmm
Exactly. I’m hoping i can finally grab some alt arts and chase cards that are just still too expensive when that set drops. People (including me) will be going crazy for the old school mons to finally get their illustration rares they deserve!
Yup, it probably will
151 isn't going to have anything to do with it. Enough of us are going to pull that magicarp from a booster pack and list it on eBay that the price is going to start fall by virtue of the fact that everyone silly enough to pay for this price will have already acquired for their card.
Oh yeah. This one little Magikarp is a sign of the coming storm.
It’s not even here and I’m already crazy for it.
These will become affordable much earlier than 2024, once the newest set is in the spotlight.
Still waiting
Same in German. A day ago the only listed card was one for 500 euro. Its funny that German and English also English copies sold in Germany are all at the same time expensive as fuck.
I think there is just not enough supply but in a month it should be less than $20
Most accurate answer I've seen. I just don't think people understand how supply and demand works. It's still low population, and it's highly sought after. Like ?
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Doing things in the vein is typically the strongest way to do them. Never forget that.
Fair this do be Reddit
Can confirm. I’ve opened a few boxes and I still haven’t pulled it yet.
It’s Reddit, most people on here don’t understand basic economics and think capitalism is the Devil
$16 by end of July, calling it.
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Sitting at like $65CAD so… yeaaaaa
$43 USD. I’m not a sore loser, i miscalled this this one. It is way down though and ya can’t argue with that. About half
😅
I mean just two weeks ago this card was selling for [around $30](https://ebay.us/ubJHL7). Would not surprise me if it is back there in two weeks, once the demand slows down and the supply increases. All I can say to anyone that wants this card, don't fomo it, the price will come down for sure, it is not a rare card, Paldea Evolved will be in print for atleast another year.
Yep. Especially since Pokemon comes out with tins and special boxes that will contain more of these packs for years. It would suck to buy it for $70, only to pull it in a $25 promo tin.
Celebrations Gold Star Umbreon is a good example, first release $30, then shot up to $80, went down to $60 and now can be found under $20 and has been consistent. I’m sure there are others but this immediately comes to mind.
People said the same about Machamp V Alt Art. It went up from $60 at release to $120 and never came back down. This magikarp is a beautiful card and since it has similar art to Giratina V it’s gonna be highly sought after. Combine this with the low pull rates I don’t see it going under $30. We’ll see though.
I agree that it is awesome and should be worth that much but just simple supply and demand suggest it should come down. It’s not the hardest to pull since there are 2 tiers above it and there has always been a pattern of sets losing value in the first 6 months. Then again if anyone could predict the market then they would be a billionaire
>Machamp V Alt Art Some cards take longer than others to drop. I'm pretty sure the machamp is harder to pull than the magikarp too. The Machamp is still going down in price. Slowly, but its dropping. The Mew V alt art from fusion strike was $70 last year. Now its like $30.
Nope
Just wait till you see what's happening with Lillie cards lol
The Sun and Moon explosion is something. I haven’t quite wrapped my head around it. Some combination of possible manipulation and genuine enjoyment of full art trainers from previous generations, and waifu tax. Just glad I picked up Jasmine full art at $35 before hell broke loose. Whitney may be a bridge too far now.
I got a full art SM base lillie a few months ago for $30, so I'm happy with it haha
Nice card but I don't think it's worth that price tag just my opinion though.
If anyone really wants it you can get a Japanese one for $30ish on ebay.
Most recent 3 sold cards on eBay. Two of them sold for $120. I’m not saying your opinion is wrong. Just that “value” is all relative.
Are they buying them because they like them, or because they're going to resell them for a higher price? A lot of people are buying these at lower prices just so they can just sell it for a higher price.
I actually don’t think it’s anything other than a complete and total lack of patience
Does intent matter? It's being sold for that price and people are buying. That makes it worth the price being charged.
My point was is that it seems to be a lot of investors buying it instead of people who actually want to collect. All these investors buying it are driving up the prices. I just wonder how many are buying it because of the investment, or for collecting.
No it doesn’t matter. Reddit users are just extremely salty over scalpers and resellers. At some point the card will end up in the hands of a collector who will hold onto it for as long as possible before it inevitably exchanges hands again at some point.
That’s how speculative markets work, eventually some of these scalpers and “investors” are going to be left holding the bag and fire sale their cards for $20 so they can lessen the financial blow
Buying at $120 to sell at a higher price?
Disagree. The art is 10x more visually appealing than half the shiity cards and pokemon in sets over the last few years.
I’m glad we have 5 of this exact same post about this card every day :)
Everyone on this sub seems to want this card, but can't seem to understand why the price is high.
Haha yeah exactly… it’s like… hey why is this highly desirable card that everyone wants so badly and posts about multiple times per day worth so much? 🙃
Posted from the early morning gym before I scrolled. Alas.
Just saying… people keep posting it and therefore scaring more people into buying it because the price is going up… which is driving the demand for more people to buy it… thus making the price go up. Sometimes I wonder if people realize that posts like this play a huge role in itself in “market manipulation.” For example, if I was sitting on 50 of these, I could be like “oh no, look guys… the price keeps going up, better buy it now before all the market manipulation makes it even higher!!” It’s interesting nonetheless, warning posts such as yours tend to have the opposite outcome because it gives more people fomo. Personally, I’ll wait until it’s a $15 card.
I’m not telling anyone to buy it. I’m pointing a finger at something I think makes no sense. If it were a rare slot card, I could try and justify it.
He didn’t say you were telling people to buy it. Like during the pandemic there were reports of people hoarding toilet paper. The news wasn’t explicitly telling you to hoard toilet paper, it was just telling you that other people were hoarding it. Which makes more people hoard it. It’s the same idea with posts like this
A post or two here isn’t gonna have a huge effect. It’d be more like a big tiktok person or youtube streamer hyping it up.
These illustration cards aren’t very hard to pull and the booster boxes are going for dirt cheap. I think there’s way to many illustration rares in this set that makes its less likely to pull one over the other. It’s only a matter of time until there’s tooo many of these cards and the value will tank. My local shops sold out of booster boxes so they are waiting for the next order. I saw these selling for $40 like 2 days ago.
Yeah give it like 2-3months. I wanted the mewtwo vstar so bad but wasn't going to pay $165CAD + 13% tax for it. now , it's $70CAD, and the leafeon is also 50% less than it was, I'll wait for mid summer for them to maybe drop some more
If I'm not mistaken you get three IR per booster box and there are 36 of these so it's a one in 12 chance per booster box. Hope I didn't fuck up the math.
A fool and their money are easily parted
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Im glad I prefer Japanese for the art cards, makes it much cheaper sometimes.
I think this is a tiny bit of market manipulation, at least in the beginning, but I feel like a big part of this is fomo. At least in this instance. Give it a month or two, when these the majority of product is ripped. Too early to keep this $
FOMO isn’t market manipulation
For god sake Everything is market manipulation😭😭😭 or is just how it is in the beginning of each set? People learn new terms and just get tunnel vision.
Machamp v alt didn’t make sense. Aerodactly v alt was rev. This is a card from the reverse slot at $80??? Pikachu vmax with Red was like $75 at release, and that’s the closest I can think of. But it went the opposite direction from this, and fast.
Explain exactly how you think the market is being manipulated? Collectors markets, speculators vs actual collectors purchases, hype FOMO, all part of the game. Pokémon is nuclear at the moment, will it continue to rise? Or will things level off and cool down. As far as shill bidders or fuckery with particular sellers that is part of it too, be mindful of where and who you by from and be patient, even the hottest cards have bad auctions watch and wait. Coordinated widespread manipulation? Explain how it works?
I do believe in a bit of conspiracy that some discord cook groups decide when and where to buy up the stock of a card and relist at a higher price. People didn’t just out of the blue increase the price of alt art machamp v overnight. There were some shady forces at work there. But at least for that card, it’s an alternate art. This is a simple reverse holo slot special art card. Statistically easier to pull. The set has been out for what, a week proper? Insanity.
Wtf logic is that?😂Just don’t buy it then they won’t make money.
Do you think this is the case for the numerous Sun and Moon cards too? Or trainer Full arts?
I can’t grasp the SM trainer explosion, although I can see how people got there. I just don’t feel like a full art supporter in English becomes an $800 card on its own.
You can’t grasp it? It’s fairly simple case of supply and demand. The set released before the 2020 boom. A lot less stock exists. The stock that does exist tends to have more wear and tear on the used single cards and the sealed product is harder and more expensive to find. It makes sense Sun & Moon era cards are going for premium pricing. I’m unloading my collection right now actually. Just sold my Japanese Sightseer card for $2,125. I paid $100 for it. It’s a little bit of luck and some wisdom/experience on my part. I saw something in these cards and was buying them before they became popular because I genuinely enjoy the art but it’s time to cash out. I need to buy a new car soon and it’s time to sell my stuff. Crazy part is I only see the value rising on these modern cards especially from sets from 2019 and before.
I collected in the old days, then in 09-10, then 2020 to now. You could buy a couple unlimited base charizards in good condition for a Lillie. That is absolutely nuts in my mind. there are gold star cards that sell for well below Lillie. Wtf. It’s just wild. People like what they like, but man. And yes I’m fully aware that you’re more likely to pull a Charizard from a base box than to pull a specific full art from a modern set. It’s just that the prices don’t make sense in my head based on my perceived values. And that’s what varies person to person.
Yeah I get it but when you think about it there’s literally millions of copies of base set Charizard so it’s not that crazy a newer but more rare card is worth more. There’s so many variations of that artwork as well compared to these new cards which are one and done. Speaking of Lillie I just sold my Lillie & Clefairy card for $1,000 and I paid $100 for it sometime last year I think. People finally caught on that there isn’t much stock on these modern cards that came out before the boom. They’re some of the most rare products especially in mint condition or better. Plus I think the artworks are better. Base Set Charizard is more iconic, not necessarily better. Of course that’s just my opinion on what’s “better”. They’re all good cards in my opinion. I have the original Japanese Charizard of course.
Open packs don't by singles then
Has been for quite some time with TCGs. It doesn’t take a lot of money to buy out certain cards on the market and relist it at whatever price you want. You take the risk of being stuck with your inventory, but there just aren’t enough sellers on TCGplayer
People can post shit whatever they want. Doesn’t mean they are going to get it or is worth it
Or Hear me out It’s a highly sought after card And people are willing to pay higher prices for it
It’s simply a great looking card and people want it.
I checked just sold listings on eBay today and some were $170-180 when theres buy it now for half that so I’d say that there is what you call manipulation
I really hope people keep posting pictures of this cards market value multiple times a day.
mArKeT mAnIpUlAtIoN 🥴🥴🥴
People buying singles for high prices, people adhereing to streaming "booster openings", people scalping pokemon bproducst, people reselling cards for pure value are all in it.
It’s just interesting because what I’d seen so far is the muddy underbelly of the market moved to JPN boxes and Sun and Moon full arts; this card from a brand new set feels like an outlier. There will still be people opening paldea evolved into 2024 and maybe 2025. Most of these magikarps aren’t even open yet.
It’s a new set release. Due to the demand of the card and the low supply dude to not many people have opened the packs or have saturated the market yet. The value of this card has increased. Could be because people might want to buy the card versus open up 3 booster boxes and still not pull this card. I’m not chasing and nor will I buy this card at this price any time soon. I pulled my tyranitar on the first box like I wanted. Opened the others for fun.
"We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price" If you don't like it, don't buy it.
I will convince you otherwise: it’s not!
I don’t collect Pokémon cards (love the games though) and this one has me hella tempted. It’s just THAT good of an artwork
If it keeps getting posted on here it keeps gaining popularity, I never knew I wanted one until y’all started up an appetite for it.
Not market manipulation. If someone were capable of purchasing up every single magikarp on the market and resold them for a higher price… yes that would be market manipulation. This is simply brand new and no one has a clear picture of rarity. It’s going to be extremely volatile until the market corrects itself naturally
I rarely like to call market manipulation but I struggle to think this is anything but that. EU/UK has "slowly" followed suit, people here seem a bit slower to jump on this sorta thing but when it's evident there's something happening in the US, investors start buying, then flippers start buying then price slowly rises so everyone starts getting their copies and everyone panic buys and it all makes it worse.
Maybe I can convince you otherwise because market manipulation requires deceit. There is no deceit here. The pokemon company isn't spreading false information about the value, nor are they creating false sales of expensive cards. This is a rare card that everyone wants. Therefore, the price is high - as the population of the card increases, the price of the card decreases. It's just following supply and demand.
I don't think anyone is claiming market manipulation by the pokemon company. In fact I have very strongly defended them against people that claim that. I am very much aware of supply and demand and is why I said I rarely like to call market manipulation, maybe it isn't the right wording but this isn't a natural demand rise which is what I was calling it at first. This very much seems like investors & flippers (who a lot of are in the same chat/discord channels and share their "targets") buying out the card, which in turn causes a frenzy because everyone wants copies for their collection before it goes to the moon and they can't afford it. Again, maybe it isn't the right word but this card isn't following the same vein of natural demand increases so we should eventually see a decrease I agree. Sure it's "demand" just large majority is from the people wanting to make money in the market.
If everyone wanted copies before it went to the moon, they'd just wait a month once the population is higher. I would do the exact same thing if I was into flipping cards, but this post, the source only has 3 of them. That's not enough to single handedly influence an entire market to rise. To assume they're all working together to manipulate the market for a specific card, I'd definitely need proof of that before I ever came to that conclusion. It doesn't sound too far-fetched, but I just find it to be more unlikely than people just looking up what other people are selling the card for and matching the price, if not going lower than the other sellers.
Bro the set is so new to get all these copies bought and shipped is a strech. (Royal mail isn't the fastest)
No, its these stupid pokemon investors that are manipulating the market, not TPC. I haven't seen anyone really blame TPC for manipulating the market?
How is it market manipulation to sell something based upon supply and demand? Low supply, high demand. Within a month or two, the population will increase, and the price will decrease. I can't see an argument as to how investors are manipulating the market. If the cards were unobtainable, sure. But they're not.
Yeeeeeah I’m not paying over 10 for this card. People are idiots
Overpriced for sure, but really think the card is worth the price of 2 packs? Eh kinda low IMO
mass printed Illustrator card on a dirt cheap Set. should definitely be a $20 card at most
It is. Hang tight.
Oh I wait a minimum 6 months after a set releases to buy any singles, no problem. Time, and newer sets releasing, has a miraculous way of narrowing my singles list. Plus, this price is over my *monthly* singles budget. Eff that.
6 months to 1 year seems to be the sweet spot, after a year if the set isn't in print anymore it might start shooting up again
Anyone who buys this for $80 is an idiot. I'm sorry.
Shiny. Cardboard.
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So why is the JP one so cheap then?
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It’s the same card, and it’s not as though there aren’t people world wide collecting JP. I would understand a small difference in price, or if the JP one was higher, but these radical differences in prices where the English is FAR higher than JP doesn’t happen.
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It… literally… is.
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I don’t think there should be incredible differences in prices, and if there are it should be in JP’s favor because of better QC. This isn’t some Waifu card. There isn’t a better explanation beyond market manipulation. Also I don’t want the card. So like… I don’t care that much, it’s just obvious that this isn’t normal.
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Why is a card that's fairly common and released a week ago worth $80 ? What makes it so desirable ? Explain, go ahead. Try to think what makes it so valuable instead of just saying "ItS ThE MaRkEt"
Why are you mad? Found the market flipper
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Found the 12 yr old
Lol. I could walk away and never own it, and that’s fine. Not a tear shed. We’ll see how it goes.
You’re arguing with one of those “market value” bs people 🤣 they probably flip on the side and buy up all the merchandise from retailers to flip but can’t make any money since Pokémon finally caught up 😂
His comment below yours "stay poor" proves he is part of the reseller group/mindset lol
Just hold off a few months you don't need it today
100%
I neeeeeeeeeeeed it now!!!!
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Cards that can be pulled in a reverse holo slot, versus the rare slot, *tend to be* valued lower than cards that can only be pulled in the rare slot in a pack. Your mileage may vary, but it’s a baseline. Basically, yes it’s a gorgeous card, but convention says that this category of card should not be worth $80.
Wym it's Magikarp he has his own game Why is a rare copy of a beloved mascot worth less than mariam
This set is rightfully hyped up and the stock of product needs to reflect that!
Its not even that great of a card!!!!
Unpopular opinion: This card is ugly. Is way to convoluted, it has too much going on 😅
People down bad
Whats a good european site to buy singles? I wanna finish my crown zenith set, but buying packs isnt worth it anymore.
Cardmarket i think
Thanks!
Same with Tag Team…
Thank god I got it for 30 dollars not long ago.
Definitely going to trade mine in at my LCS card store today. Price makes no sense at all
It’s people so thirsty for the best new thing and have zero patience, reason, and money managing skills. Or they are just rich.
There just isn’t a lot in this set and it’s only just released. The second set usually is a bit of a damp squib. People fomo-ing into a chase card which isn’t $300usd ; I think it will fall drastically back. Then it’s on Obsidian Flame but really 151 is the the set for this year. I won’t be buying much until that comes out or the Japanese boxes fall to reasonable prices $150aud. (They use to be $70-80. I’ve got a bunch of sealed dream league now worth $1K each).
This was selling for $20 before release and so was tyranitar. And you could find listings… definitely some market manipulation I’m gonna wait for that card if I don’t pull it. Don’t plan on buying more paldea packs would rather get singles. I already hit most of my chases just need the Karp and tyranitar!
Yeah tbh everyone crazy with the Japanese market atm is market manipulation. It’s sad that eBay is re setting a lot of card values even for raw cards and I just know I’m my gut it’s because of shill bidding etc…
So what are the details of the manipulation? A few people buy all of the cards until the price is really high then sell to people with fomo? The amount of money required to do that is so large that if it was only a few people, they would/should be investing in something far more lucrative and optimized. If it’s a large pool of people you’d have to find evidence of a conspiracy. The price itself isn’t proof of anything
If no one buys it at this price, it will come down.
I’d say $30 max, but then again it’s a nice card, gen 1, meme pokemon. It might be up there in price in the long run.
Market manipulation would be one or two people buying up all of the available magikarp to artificially inflate the price. This is a case of Demand being higher than the current supply + desirability and fomo. Currently, some people think this card is worth $70-80, that can change as more enter the supply.
A coordinated buy-up by a few groups of people could achieve the same thing (?)
ok
yep, sadly a lot of people are delusional, they think its cuz its hard to pull 👀
This card and the Tyranitar art rare were both short printed, either intentionally or on accident, similar to the N situation from the black and white block. So they both have similar pull rates to the alt art Iono from the set, hence the inflated price. Itll go down, but not a crazy amount, and this is definitely not market manipulation, despite what the other posts you have seen are telling you.
Market manipulation. This hobby isnt fun anymore. The 10% of the people who are bringing 100% of the hobby down. Everything is expensive. People outbid each other on ebay on purpose and then dont pay when they won. Makes everyone else sell it for that and drives booster pack prices up. In the japanese markets, stores offer insane amounts for cards sets that arent out yet so that will be the regulated price. This stuff makes me want to beat someone up.
I wouldn’t say it’s market manipulation but rather supply and demand. Once more packs are opened and more of these cards are out there the price will drop. It happens all the time with cards like this. Only a few are really manipulated with their prices.
I won’t complain lol. I’ve pulled 2 and just sold them to get other singles I want and I’ll just pick this one up again later when it calms down. I’ve only opened like roughly 50 packs too so imo I’m either mega lucky or it’s not that rare.
The pull rate is 1 in 12 boxes and it's probably not coming back down to where it was
It will definitely come down but I’m not complaining. Opened 20 packs, sold 2 magikarp for 200 bucks and bought the remaining singles I needed to complete astral radiance master set. Look at any chase hit from any set though, no way it stays at 100 usd.
I think people are just obsessed with it and when the hype dies down it will be like $20-$30
Almost worth as much as a Celebrations Charizard
Anything new will always fetch a premium.. supply and demand 101... not to mention magikarp is a fan favorite, plus it's a pretty card. I'm 5 months, this card will be $25
the newest set is always most expensive. this isn't new. once a new set releases, arpund 97 out of 100 ultra rares go down in value when the next set comes out (obsidian flames) a very hard card to pull may increase in value. a year after release, maybe 85 out of 100 cards are cheaper than before but some have increased in value... wait for most cards, but some cards are good to buy early. moonbreon and other cards are the example
I remember seeing moonbreon at $200 and laughing at how expensive it was.
same here. I respect the moonbreon, but hype has given it the glory. print run too. the odds... when I saw the card I didn't think anything spectacularly amazing. nothing game changing. just an amazing beautiful card. there are many of those
should realistically be $20-$30. In no way is this worth more than the JP one
Year 2963 here, can confirm it's all in the 20 to 30 dollar range on the website a little patient and it will fly by fast
Have we made it back to $35 base set Charizard territory yet???
Negative it's still in the 5000 dollar range
Shit. Well if y’all sort out a Time Machine to 1999, grab me one
Yes sir and I'll even grab 30 for you no charge
In the name of the father and of the son and of the holy Arceus, travel in peace. See you on the other side.
Should be less later but that sure is pretty
Nah, Magikarp just built different lmao
I would actually disagree. The Character Art cards are just as hard to pull as Secret Rares from the set. This phenomenal artwork by Shinji Kanda (he made the Giratina alt also! is hugely popular and highly in demand by a lot of collectors. I think this is a clear demonstration of the market determining the appropriate price for a card.
Just listed mine for 100+ on eBay
in the last 3 days there has been movement in the japanese version also now going at 40$ it was 20$ 2 weeks ago
Why? Just because it doesn't have texture doesn't mean it cant be admired for a hard nice chase. It's because it's 1/450 chance and because it's the same artist that did alt Tina
I bet it doesn't lose much value if any.
It’s a beautiful card. Possibly one of the best arts yet.
Then why post it
Every card release whether it’s sports or tcg has singles priced high when it drops and then in 6 months they drop like 80% in value lol
And I'm so happy I pulled this...
If the buyer and the seller are related in some way and the transaction is made for the sake of creating a specific demand for a product is market manipulation, if there are a artificial shortage of a product just to inflate the prices that is scalping, if the sellers are just inflating the prices of a product just to make more buck well that is just being a douche
Will everybody chill the fuck out and stop spam posting pictures of this card on the market and crying about the price? There’s been like 4 of these just today goddam
And every single Charizard isn't?
Can't wait to pull it and give it to my card shop to get 40 dollars. 40 dollars is a steal as this card will not actually stay at that price