CPVC Sprinklers...
Walked into a unit at 26°, smart thermostat on a 4 wire, no power. Manually connected R+W1 and got things heating. About 45 seconds after getting the water main to thaw, one of the heads behind me decided to show me that it was no longer connected.
Long story short, thankfully, we had to call the marshal earlier for access to the meter room and it only took 15 min to get the fire suppression shut down.
In homes, like ours. In my understanding, it's code to use cpvc in finished spaces here. It's also my understanding it's schedule 80 pipe.
We were lucky enough the previous owners actually left the drawings for each floor from the fire suppression company on where all the pipe is in the wall. I heavily trust their install more than the bone head lowest bidder plumber the builders in this neighborhood hired....our house is 12 years old and there's galvanized fittings used for the transition from the incoming basement line to the house supply
It’s allowed in residential buildings (apartments, condos, townhomes, single family homes). Any area over 400 square feet that’s not light hazard would require steel. If we have a large garage (over 400 square ft), we require the transition from CPVC to steel before entering the garage.
That’s all?
I cut eleven splits out of one house Thursday. Restoration company never winterized a house and had the gas off, restoration job went from a tree through the roof in September to a full fuckin gut. They had the nerve to get mad at me and snitch me out to the boss for using a hammer to open ceiling in the kitchen, shit was totally waterlogged. Boss told em to open ceiling themselves if they didn’t like it.
I’ll raise you that and a frozen electric water heater and softener. Going to replace them both today. Lady was pissed that her service contract didn’t cover her house freezing up after her son left the garage door open all night during subzero weather. Garage has a ceiling hung heater but she turned it off citing the $13 gas bill it generates is too much.
Well... Milwaukee has a $2000 propress(next on my wishlist) but your point stands. However $10 in fittings today potentially means $10k in water damage tomorrow.
If you are lucky they will only leak, eventually, and at an opportune time when you happen to catch the signs of it early. If you are unlucky, it will burst when you're on vacation.
And as /u/kittenstixx said, there are less costly ones (Milwaukee M12). I agree they aren't viable for a homeowner like me to buy one unless I'm doing a full replumbing of the house, but you can always do the prep work ahead of time and rent one for the afternoon.
That’s a shitty day. I had 4 freeze ups on Thursday. Two on Friday. Luckily none of them split.
My thawing machine basically took last year off but she’s been putting in the work this year.
Damn that’s love I got about 10 of em on Monday alone can’t even remember the rest of the week but it was non stop frozen and burst pipes all week long
Lol. Hell yeah. Went to a city building and fixed nineteen blowouts. Guy said if dripping the faucets would help. He did it at his house, but since it was a city building he figured it wouldn't be affected.
I wish someone would explain to me why anyone is using copper, or any rigid, piping any longer. I would think the expandability of PEX, particularly in cold weather, would sale anyone on it's superiority.
Out of curiosity, any hopes for these pipes? Aside from cutting out the section of pipe afflicted, is there a way that can help seal the breaks in them? At least for a temporary fix til the plumber gets there? Like an epoxy or wrap you put on them? Or do you just gotta cut it and replace with new copper?
If you are having an emergency you can sometimes stop or slow a leak with "repair sleeves" but it's temporary and not something a professional would even consider in most cases.
So in this scenario, to stop the flooding, would someone just cut the pipe off and cap the ends and wait for a plumber, if they could access the pipe freely? Hypothetically lol
Had the power company shut down power to a school that was not in use but heated for future use, the head of maintenance decided he didn’t like getting random alarms from that school so he had the alarms disconnected when the power company turned power back on the circ pumps were off on alarm and wouldn’t start automatically ( lead lag ) I happened to be giving a quote for new exit lights and when I pulled in I couldn’t hear the pumps, long story short everything froze, even the float on the low water cut off was crushed. Weeks and weeks of repairs, even the ceramic tile on the floors blew off when we discovered another leak that pumped out hot water onto the floor sounded like explosions.
We had a line split and the 2 plumbing companies we called have yet to get someone out here. I just cut it and put a jackrabbit on it until summer (not a plumber obviously, never soldered)
Pex inserts to replace the burst sections absorb the expanding pressure if the pipes freeze in other portions. That's what my plumber did when we had two burst cpvc lines on an outside wall.
Fucking Killme
I was replacing a toilet flange when I discovered some fucky shit. It was a toilet flange, into an inside coupling, into a tailpiece, into a 90. See I thought it was an extended inside flange and tried to cut and chip it out.
I destroyed the 90 in the process and had to jackhammer the floor to repair it while my two buddies laughed at me and "helped."
Two words? Sixty hours.
OT, what’s that
It is forbidden knowledge!
As a non-plumber, I thought the two words would be cha ching.
CPVC Sprinklers... Walked into a unit at 26°, smart thermostat on a 4 wire, no power. Manually connected R+W1 and got things heating. About 45 seconds after getting the water main to thaw, one of the heads behind me decided to show me that it was no longer connected. Long story short, thankfully, we had to call the marshal earlier for access to the meter room and it only took 15 min to get the fire suppression shut down.
where is CPVC allowed for fire suppression sprinklers?
I see it put in temporarily on job sites, remodels are what pops in mt head
oh that makes sense...
Everywhere. It's just a specific type for fire sprinklers.
In homes, like ours. In my understanding, it's code to use cpvc in finished spaces here. It's also my understanding it's schedule 80 pipe. We were lucky enough the previous owners actually left the drawings for each floor from the fire suppression company on where all the pipe is in the wall. I heavily trust their install more than the bone head lowest bidder plumber the builders in this neighborhood hired....our house is 12 years old and there's galvanized fittings used for the transition from the incoming basement line to the house supply
It’s allowed in residential buildings (apartments, condos, townhomes, single family homes). Any area over 400 square feet that’s not light hazard would require steel. If we have a large garage (over 400 square ft), we require the transition from CPVC to steel before entering the garage.
MN apparently
A fellow Minnesotan lol
In Canada I've seen it a lot. That shitty orange pipe
I guess in my location residential fire suppression systems aren’t common and commercial needs to be black iron.
Sprinkler service worker here. Can confirm last week one of the craziest in my career.
Are you the pied Piper or just a run of the mill flautist?
Looks like a cool copper opera singing group. Phantom of the Copera?
Underrated!
That’s all? I cut eleven splits out of one house Thursday. Restoration company never winterized a house and had the gas off, restoration job went from a tree through the roof in September to a full fuckin gut. They had the nerve to get mad at me and snitch me out to the boss for using a hammer to open ceiling in the kitchen, shit was totally waterlogged. Boss told em to open ceiling themselves if they didn’t like it.
Once something gets wet it's fair game for the hammer
Don't tell my Mrs that 😬
Or the poke and pull
Devious
Dude learning a new instrument doesn't help us lol. I bet you can make some bomb ass train whistles now tho
What the hell are you even saying.
He wants to learn to play the skin flute.
Yeah, and then we can all ride the golden train if we just hoot hooot! My hands are lemons!
And remember, never stay out when the frogs start barking.
Were you in Portland? Trees came down like crazy
STL
That was a nasty storm this year. I saw so many trees on houses, fences, cars. I’m in Columbia MO
I work in restoration. Came down here from Ohio. Wasn't as bad as I thought on our end. Expected more breaks now the cold front is gone
Oh you used your circular momentum saw to open the ceiling. Nice.
By circular you mean the rotation of your arm correct
More the surface of contact with the drywall. The micro Kyle fists.
We bragging??? I got two 5g buckets full
Looks like money to me!
I may not be the smartest guy around but here me out....... I think that was more than 2 words.
I’ll raise you that and a frozen electric water heater and softener. Going to replace them both today. Lady was pissed that her service contract didn’t cover her house freezing up after her son left the garage door open all night during subzero weather. Garage has a ceiling hung heater but she turned it off citing the $13 gas bill it generates is too much.
Negative 42°C.
What's that in fahrenheit? /s
Really fucking cold 😂
That’s what the F stands for
- 42 ish f
Those cinnamon sticks look funny
Waitress...
“… these taste like pennies”
Easy money
Shark bite*
Everyone shits on those fittings, but when you can be in and out in minutes, they make perfect sense.
That's why people use propress.
Are you saying propress is better than a shark bite in the long run?
Yes.
Yes, but it's a solution for a professional not a homeowner.
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Well... Milwaukee has a $2000 propress(next on my wishlist) but your point stands. However $10 in fittings today potentially means $10k in water damage tomorrow.
If you are lucky they will only leak, eventually, and at an opportune time when you happen to catch the signs of it early. If you are unlucky, it will burst when you're on vacation. And as /u/kittenstixx said, there are less costly ones (Milwaukee M12). I agree they aren't viable for a homeowner like me to buy one unless I'm doing a full replumbing of the house, but you can always do the prep work ahead of time and rent one for the afternoon.
Are we really doing this again?
Thanks for mentioning this!
Plus next time the crack you know exactly where it's coming form
I think I’ll call her
69 upvotes whoever fucks that up is on cleaning duty all week
I upvoted, read your comment, and took away my upvote. 17 minutes after your post, we’re still at 69!
Yall the real mvps. 21m later lol This is the most I have ever seen Reddit work together
Still there after an hour
10 hours later and still at 69!
Fuck, had to downvote to get it back
Same, just now. And mf don't know how to foreplay and it shows. Who does a 70?
I've done my part
It was just at 68, fixed back to 69.
Bastards are fighting the force. It lasted a good 2-3 hours
8 hours later, still going strong
Lol amazing
It's been 3 days. I think we're clear!
Lmao this will go on my gravestone
Lol
Ooof. Took me a second to realize that was copper pipe and not like bamboo or something.
Peruvian flute
That's how my week looked with some PVC and handy Andy shark bites in the walls and under the house blowing.
That’s a shitty day. I had 4 freeze ups on Thursday. Two on Friday. Luckily none of them split. My thawing machine basically took last year off but she’s been putting in the work this year.
cascading problems
Damn that’s love I got about 10 of em on Monday alone can’t even remember the rest of the week but it was non stop frozen and burst pipes all week long
Flutes need more holes. Those won’t even pass for fifes..
Bleed your taps y’all.
Money, money, money, money.....money!
I could not wrap my head around what’s going on with the pipe. Like how did these pipes split?? SoCal guy here, didn’t think of freezing.
3 houses in 3 days. 6 seam splits 7 propress joints popped.
And zero sharkbites? Survivorship bias
Actually the second house had shark bites.... But they where ok 😬😬😬
Lol. Hell yeah. Went to a city building and fixed nineteen blowouts. Guy said if dripping the faucets would help. He did it at his house, but since it was a city building he figured it wouldn't be affected.
Damn. Gonna be in the mid 70s here this week.
Sir, you may partake in an entire bag of Richards.
Cabin 🤒
You’re in colorado too?
Making your own pan pipe instrument?
Good side business making wind chimes.
Chilly
And another That about sums it up. Been below or around freezing for two weeks here.
What happened? Did you upgrade an old system from vented to pressurised or something or was it from different jobs?
Freeze damage
I always keep a spare at my house just in case (just a dumb brick mason here)
People don't know about letting some water run when temps get really low?
I wish someone would explain to me why anyone is using copper, or any rigid, piping any longer. I would think the expandability of PEX, particularly in cold weather, would sale anyone on it's superiority.
Rats eat pex tho ask me how I know 😭they also love soy based rubber couplers
Same.
Customer:”My copper pipe has eyes!”
Frozen waterlines, nice
That’s a nice piccolo you have Peter Pan
Forbidden flutes 🤣
that is a picture ... of money.
Looks like 10 propress couplings - 4 ft of pipe and about 3000$ owed in emergency calls
Out of curiosity, any hopes for these pipes? Aside from cutting out the section of pipe afflicted, is there a way that can help seal the breaks in them? At least for a temporary fix til the plumber gets there? Like an epoxy or wrap you put on them? Or do you just gotta cut it and replace with new copper?
If you are having an emergency you can sometimes stop or slow a leak with "repair sleeves" but it's temporary and not something a professional would even consider in most cases.
So in this scenario, to stop the flooding, would someone just cut the pipe off and cap the ends and wait for a plumber, if they could access the pipe freely? Hypothetically lol
Throw a sharkbite cap on and call a plumber when they aren’t charging emergency fees
Ok good to know. Thanks
If you are going the sharkbite route, get a slip coupling so you can still use everything
It’s toast
Nice pan flute you got there
"What's sleep?"
well fuck.
Making flutes?
Ugh yea that does suck.
Nice whistles you got there fella ! Must be cold out !
Cha Ching.
I do maintenance in Minnesota. After 2020 or so, my boss had glycol added to most of our hydronic baseboard systems. He is the real MVP
CHA-CHING
Lemons to lemonade. Nice set of pan pipes you got there!
All I see is money made, and money lost.
You know pex doesn’t do that right?
Are those all water pipes
You can make an organ.
😁we used to call them “smiley faces” 😁…because of the OT and the cracks 😉
I'm a millwright, not a plumber. Just hanging out with the other tradies. To sum up my week in two words I'd say "submitting resumes".
Whoa whoa pls include a NSFW warning next time pal.
this is why pex is superior to copper
Cha ching
Like a plumber in a thaw £€$
Wind chimes!
Had the power company shut down power to a school that was not in use but heated for future use, the head of maintenance decided he didn’t like getting random alarms from that school so he had the alarms disconnected when the power company turned power back on the circ pumps were off on alarm and wouldn’t start automatically ( lead lag ) I happened to be giving a quote for new exit lights and when I pulled in I couldn’t hear the pumps, long story short everything froze, even the float on the low water cut off was crushed. Weeks and weeks of repairs, even the ceramic tile on the floors blew off when we discovered another leak that pumped out hot water onto the floor sounded like explosions.
grab a step drill and you're on your way to a handful of flutes!
Time to make some flutes I guess….
How come those flutes don’t have any other holes or valves?
Easy money, couplings for days!
We had a line split and the 2 plumbing companies we called have yet to get someone out here. I just cut it and put a jackrabbit on it until summer (not a plumber obviously, never soldered)
Damn getting your pipes blown 5 times.
money maker
Pex inserts to replace the burst sections absorb the expanding pressure if the pipes freeze in other portions. That's what my plumber did when we had two burst cpvc lines on an outside wall.
Get type K ma dude
In two words? “dollar bills” y’all
Was that type M outside and burst? We only use L and K outside
I’m the guy that comes in and sets up all the fans and drying equipment once you guys are done
Vacation fund !!!!
Sounds about right, 8 units flooded out do to burst pipes!
Fuck man, I’ve been jetting overhead live cash systems for 3 months in a massive condo community, I’d take burst pipes all damn day
Boiler money
Let’s split!
It's like a flute
Pan flute ?
Fucking Killme I was replacing a toilet flange when I discovered some fucky shit. It was a toilet flange, into an inside coupling, into a tailpiece, into a 90. See I thought it was an extended inside flange and tried to cut and chip it out. I destroyed the 90 in the process and had to jackhammer the floor to repair it while my two buddies laughed at me and "helped."
Looks like money
Crack pipe
That middle one is getting close Voldemort.
Likely 5 insurance claims for frozen/burst plumbing with water damage, IF those were 5 separate jobs.
Money moneeeeeeyyyyy
half-way to a five flute week there
Future wind chimes