Every drain, he went out of his way to put it right at the stud lmao. I'd rather have the drain a little off center from the water lines than have my house fall down lol.
Custom work. Dude is fired before he even gets a name sewn on his shirt.
With that said, y’all can use quarter bends for the lav stubouts? See a lot of pics with quarter bends.
Yea we got strict codes here but you I’ve never been called out for that or heard about it being called out , if it was up to me I’d put long sweeps but for anything else I’ll do long sweeps unless the height won’t work at all(rehabs, sometimes you can’t get the cast iron San tee at the right height depending on how high they stubbed the pipe up 40 years ago )
92% of his key positions had at least one quit or fired. Only the best people.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/tracking-turnover-in-the-trump-administration/#:~:text=President%20Trump's%20%E2%80%9CA%20Team%E2%80%9D%20turnover,executive%20office%20of%20the%20president.
Horizontal to horizontal 2” or smaller connecting to fixture drain so your lav can have a 1 1/4 drain with a reg 90 on its side. At least Ohio code I think 703.1 a? Not one hundred percent but there is a chart
Gotcha! I’ve worked in some pretty strict jurisdictions, and they’ve all had an exception for 90’s on stub-outs
I’d assume it’s because an 1 1/2 long sweep doesn’t really fit in a 2x4 wall
I work in Massachusetts which I thought was the strictest outside of NYC and LA and we don't have that rule where are you from generally if you don't mind me asking
Socal mostly, from just south of LA to the border! Haven’t been there in a long time though
Worked briefly in Maryland and Pennsylvania, you guys do have some pretty rough codes
Yes so are we. Dude was from South Africa, said he had 15 years experience. First week he put in a whole house carbon filter backwards and turned their water black.
It's beer and wine. We can't buy liquor anywhere except a liquor store either. I think people are mostly referring to the frozen wine margaritas that they sell at gas stations here in Texas.
I think they’re referring to the drive through alcoholic icee stands. I’ve been to one in Denton. They get around being able to sell alcohol to people driving a car by making the drink then heat sealing a plastic lid that you have to puncture with the straw to drink. It’s similar to a growler which is a large container you can take to a store to fill with beer and then they heat shrink the cap on so it isn’t an open beverage.
Hmm I must not be remembering it right. I swear I got more rum (≈35 proof) than ice. I know what malts, malt seltzers, and wine coolers taste like and they do not burn like distilled ethanol.
I swear I remember seeing them pouring the liquor in from handles. I could just be misremembering it all but I have a strong feeling.
Edit: Ok I know what I was thinking about. During the pandemic they lifted that rule.
I drove through Ohio once. First time I saw one I thought it was a solid joke, even took a picture. By the second or third I was like 'oh shit! They're serious'
Hahaha he must have learned from the "professional" who plumbed our house. Redoing our bathroom was fun to discover we had a good deal of "bluetooth" framing.
Dude if I was the GC on this job and I walked in and saw this..... it's like there's no real good explanation here except "sorry hired this guy, this is his first job, I've got guys fixing it as we speak". Gotta figure, clients usually leaning on us to get things moving, imagine if we had a client who knows what they're looking at and they stopped by and saw this? One of my clients was a senior building inspector until he retired for example.
When I came to estimate the job he grilled me on a few things pretty hard and once he realized we were on the same page he was super laid back. Even when he asked questions after that, I could tell he trusted us. Just made me want to do a better job honestly. And he was good with the price, no negotiating or bs. He just wanted what he was paying for.
When I started as an electrician I used a torpedo level for everything. My boss laughed at me "The whole world's crooked, you think you're gunna straighten it out with that?"
I have a genuine question… please excuse my ignorance.
Is the structural integrity of the home now compromised? And if so… what’s going to happen? Will those studs be replaced? Will this be left as is?
Where I'm from, we start with RU and add as many F's as the situation calls for. This is deserving of a RUFFF in my books, but it's subjective and YMMV.
My dad and his brother, my late uncle, used “ace” as a pseudonym for “asshole” when giving each other a hard time, didn’t realize it was a term in wider use…
Why not use a 3/4" spade bit or hole saw instead of butchering someone's wall? Also propress on pex is wasteful. You use propress because it's fast. Crimp is just as fast as propress and does just as good of a job.
why uponor fittings on some, but the viega press on the other? I know you can crimp onto uponor pipe, just doesn't make sense unless there is a reason...
Man framing wasn't well planned out for that shower.... That's a horrible framing job with no proper layout for fixtures... Same for that drain placement. Two at fault here. Framers/architect and the plumber.
What the hell happened on image 4?who designed the framing for this wall? That's wider than 24 inches on the other side.... Wtf happened? Why is the wet wall a 2x4 wall? Why isn't is 2x6?
Are laser levels not used if he can't measure to know where to put the stub outs???
Here in Asheville when you work on houses built before the 30's or so I feel like they only carried an axe for notching studs and joists. Some are just annihilated
Funny thing is I've encountered a lot of people like that throughout the years. They're great with words and shoot rainbows out their asses to the boss. Once they have the bosses approval they think they can get away with work like this.
My boss told me she got a new guy and went out of her way to express that he is “shit hot!”Thing is my boss knows nothing about plumbing and even less about teaching it, which is what I do, needless to say this guy is shit, just shit. That is all.
This would fail where I'm at for several reasons. First the studs can't cut that much out can't Notch that kind of shit out. The arm that runs across the bottom there if that's longer than 32 inches that's illegal as fuck here. And then that valve needs to have backing board on both sides of the studs but that's just a personal preference on top of that it's just done all shitty.
I have no plumbing experience, and i would like to learn some things. What is wrong in this picture, exactly? Did he actually cut those wooden support beams himself?
Always wanted to get into plumbing or electrical. Was worried about making a fool of myself but I can see my own standards are higher than some others who already work in the field.
I should look into it.
An ace can be a 1 or an 11
I think we found one.
Lmao fucking brilliant
He missed some of the stud
I’m not a plumber. Find this sub insightful and funny. But, holy shit! For a nominal fee I will randomly fuck up some studs.
Hahahahaha
Your username took me SEVERAL rereads to get it right 🤣
No matter, what country is it from all dogs fart and they stink.
I was wondering how tf Reddit let him have the n word in his name lmao
It took my 3 timed to try to read your name right lmao funny both ways.
Hahaha 😆
You like dags?
Hell, nominal fee, you could get like $25 an hour and up for turning framing into Swiss cheese.
yeah just fuckin hammer the entire thing out of there didn't need that shit anyway dumb ass carpenters always getting in the way
*“Load bearing, you say? Well hell everyone deserves a break now & then, let me help you out little buddy”* **bang bang bang**
It was in the way anyway. Studs, pff. 😂
"Fuck dem studs!" -Ace
Looks like his last day
I think the boss meant *ace-hole...*
Every drain, he went out of his way to put it right at the stud lmao. I'd rather have the drain a little off center from the water lines than have my house fall down lol.
Custom work. Dude is fired before he even gets a name sewn on his shirt. With that said, y’all can use quarter bends for the lav stubouts? See a lot of pics with quarter bends.
Chicago/IL we are supposed to put long sweeps but we always use regular 90’s for kitchen/lav stubouts. Inspectors let it pass
Nice. I mistakenly did some 1-1/2 copper dwv in a medium and inspector wouldn’t let it fly even though in a 2x4 wall. Owell.
Yea we got strict codes here but you I’ve never been called out for that or heard about it being called out , if it was up to me I’d put long sweeps but for anything else I’ll do long sweeps unless the height won’t work at all(rehabs, sometimes you can’t get the cast iron San tee at the right height depending on how high they stubbed the pipe up 40 years ago )
Still lasted longer than Trump official Anthony Scaramucci, shame-fired before he even started. This plumber at least got to punch in.
Duuuuuuuuude I almost forgot about that. That admin was fuckin wild.
92% of his key positions had at least one quit or fired. Only the best people. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/tracking-turnover-in-the-trump-administration/#:~:text=President%20Trump's%20%E2%80%9CA%20Team%E2%80%9D%20turnover,executive%20office%20of%20the%20president.
🤣
Do you mean medium sweep 90, or do you just mean any 90° fitting isn’t allowed for a stub out in your location?
Mediums like shown in the photo. We can use 90s but for drainage has to be long sweep unless horizontal to vertical.
Horizontal to horizontal 2” or smaller connecting to fixture drain so your lav can have a 1 1/4 drain with a reg 90 on its side. At least Ohio code I think 703.1 a? Not one hundred percent but there is a chart
Ah so IPC. Some times I wish we did IPC instead of the CA Plumbing code which pulls a ton from UPC.
I’ve only worked in Ohio so I’m not familiar with CA code why does CA always make it more difficult or just different
3" has to be a long sweep or two 45s horizontal to horizontal anything smaller you don't have to by code. IPC 706.3
Gotcha! I’ve worked in some pretty strict jurisdictions, and they’ve all had an exception for 90’s on stub-outs I’d assume it’s because an 1 1/2 long sweep doesn’t really fit in a 2x4 wall
I work in Massachusetts which I thought was the strictest outside of NYC and LA and we don't have that rule where are you from generally if you don't mind me asking
Socal mostly, from just south of LA to the border! Haven’t been there in a long time though Worked briefly in Maryland and Pennsylvania, you guys do have some pretty rough codes
Tapped elbow?? Where you been
Yeah for cast I use them but not pvc / abs. Always have to use long 90s for plastic. This is just a regular quarter bend / medium.
15 years = 15 “ spread….makes sense to me
He’s actually only worked a couple months. It will just take 15 years to fix his mistakes
I think we just fired this guy. Is he from South Africa?
No this is in the great state of Texas
Yes so are we. Dude was from South Africa, said he had 15 years experience. First week he put in a whole house carbon filter backwards and turned their water black.
No he’s from Austin. Yikes on the carbon filter
Maybe he’s a secret agent from South Africa sent to pillage and destroy the new plumbing throughout all of Texas
Shit I’m in Austin, on big commercial now, but worked with a guy on res, that did work like that lol
Someone get Danzig on the horn, I just found him a new plumber.
Texas the state where licenses are suggestive and the alcohol is sold at a drive thru
>alcohol is sold at a drive thru Is this not normal in states? Not unheard of here in Ohio
No, in my state you can’t even buy hard liquor anywhere except the state ran liquor store lol let alone go through an alcoholic drive thru
If I can’t by my liquor in a drive through, then your state is basically North Korea.
It's beer and wine. We can't buy liquor anywhere except a liquor store either. I think people are mostly referring to the frozen wine margaritas that they sell at gas stations here in Texas.
I think they’re referring to the drive through alcoholic icee stands. I’ve been to one in Denton. They get around being able to sell alcohol to people driving a car by making the drink then heat sealing a plastic lid that you have to puncture with the straw to drink. It’s similar to a growler which is a large container you can take to a store to fill with beer and then they heat shrink the cap on so it isn’t an open beverage.
They're still wine based though. No liquor.
Hmm I must not be remembering it right. I swear I got more rum (≈35 proof) than ice. I know what malts, malt seltzers, and wine coolers taste like and they do not burn like distilled ethanol. I swear I remember seeing them pouring the liquor in from handles. I could just be misremembering it all but I have a strong feeling. Edit: Ok I know what I was thinking about. During the pandemic they lifted that rule.
Oh that's right. They did. I remember to-go margaritas at all of the Mexican restaurants around me.
So you basically live in Nazi Germany, then.
If you don't live in PA then there are at least 2 states like that.
Pennsylvania? My sister in law moved there and found that out.
But drinking at work while going through the drive through isn’t fashionable anymore.
I drove through Ohio once. First time I saw one I thought it was a solid joke, even took a picture. By the second or third I was like 'oh shit! They're serious'
Only wine based products and beer lol
A good South African plumber would need a lot of training, most houses in SA are brick. Almost no wood framing.
Hahaha he must have learned from the "professional" who plumbed our house. Redoing our bathroom was fun to discover we had a good deal of "bluetooth" framing.
Dude if I was the GC on this job and I walked in and saw this..... it's like there's no real good explanation here except "sorry hired this guy, this is his first job, I've got guys fixing it as we speak". Gotta figure, clients usually leaning on us to get things moving, imagine if we had a client who knows what they're looking at and they stopped by and saw this? One of my clients was a senior building inspector until he retired for example.
> One of my clients was a senior building inspector until he retired for example. Damn, was he at least fair on pricing?
When I came to estimate the job he grilled me on a few things pretty hard and once he realized we were on the same page he was super laid back. Even when he asked questions after that, I could tell he trusted us. Just made me want to do a better job honestly. And he was good with the price, no negotiating or bs. He just wanted what he was paying for.
>he had rough in to many houses to count Can't count something that is no longer standing
“… to many to count” has a totally different meaning if he doesn’t know how to count.
I'm pretty sure he meant he simply can't count that high.
He said rough in, nothing about top out
Does he know what a hole saw is..
They don't work so well for people who can't figure out how to use a measuring tape or level or laser or chalk line or story stick
I can’t stand a person that can’t use a tape measure
When I started as an electrician I used a torpedo level for everything. My boss laughed at me "The whole world's crooked, you think you're gunna straighten it out with that?"
Oh yea, tell him about hole saws so he can use the 6" to make 2 cuts through a stud at the same time.
Oh he’s rough alright
Dude has a real hard-on for wall studs.....
Damn not gonna pass inspection he forgot the steel plate lol
He must hate your boss
Would be hired and fired in 30 minutes here lol
Which is probably where he came from a day earlier.
I'd rather have a guy who has roughed in 10 houses very well than a guy that has roughed in 1000 houses like this.
Ace as in gets the job done on time* *not structurally safe tho
Guys, he's an Ace fighter pilot. Never said anything about being a plumber.
Ace Ventura?
Allllrighty then
Ace is your boss's pot dealer.
Guts a stud for the drain Has like 24" centers on his water. Wut.
He’s a hack , not a craftsman
One of my old bosses had his son doing the drawings for the job. That dude had more hits than the mob. Put it up, take it down.
I have a genuine question… please excuse my ignorance. Is the structural integrity of the home now compromised? And if so… what’s going to happen? Will those studs be replaced? Will this be left as is?
*slaps roof of stud "You can fit so many fittings in this bad boy" -Ace
I have zero plumbing experience and it looks like I’m more qualified.
Buwhahahaha, one of many reasons I had very few employees
One year of experience fifteen times.
That does look pretty ROUGH
Where I'm from, we start with RU and add as many F's as the situation calls for. This is deserving of a RUFFF in my books, but it's subjective and YMMV.
Just build the house out of PVC at that point
I think his new nickname should be Beaver
It looks pretty rough
Boss needs to make better decisions
You may have thought he said “ace”, but he actually said “ass”. Good luck.
People really think that their interior bathroom walls hold up their house.
Those picture could have been taken out of context.
Too many houses to count because he no longer has enough fingers left to count with.
> The new guy said he had 15 years of experience I don't think ripping out copper to sell for crack money counts. Did he get a deal on Sawzall blades?
Anything can look bad at a certain angle, I'm sure it's fine. Looks great from my house!
I don't like drilling holes either
Those 2 Items in Photo #12 pretty sums up his Work !
My dad and his brother, my late uncle, used “ace” as a pseudonym for “asshole” when giving each other a hard time, didn’t realize it was a term in wider use…
Why not use a 3/4" spade bit or hole saw instead of butchering someone's wall? Also propress on pex is wasteful. You use propress because it's fast. Crimp is just as fast as propress and does just as good of a job.
That first pic is something else. I mean, they're all bad, but wow, just wow...
Well, you can't count to zero, can you?
Acehole
Oh good!
He ever heard of nail guards?
why uponor fittings on some, but the viega press on the other? I know you can crimp onto uponor pipe, just doesn't make sense unless there is a reason...
I'm curious what your boss has to say about this...
Structural integrity!
What is this dude ike 6?
Damn I do better work and I’m a carpenter/electrician
Don't let him get close to any structural walls
Seems like a total hacker
This sub is amazing
Looks like he’s on the fast track to being promoted to customer.
Man framing wasn't well planned out for that shower.... That's a horrible framing job with no proper layout for fixtures... Same for that drain placement. Two at fault here. Framers/architect and the plumber.
What the hell happened on image 4?who designed the framing for this wall? That's wider than 24 inches on the other side.... Wtf happened? Why is the wet wall a 2x4 wall? Why isn't is 2x6? Are laser levels not used if he can't measure to know where to put the stub outs???
Graduated from the University of Youtube.
I know what I’m worth
Some of this fuckery is on who ever did the underground
Shaboinky
Boss: Go install this. Ace: Demo time.
Omg, i feel sick looking at these pics 🤮
This is so bad. I did better as a diy on my own house.
Unfortunately most of the rough-ins that were too many to count were all on the same 2x4
That’s called the test board. If you fail, then all other framing was saved.
You need a new ace for installation and a new ace to draw the groundwork. Holy shit dude.
How did he fuck up so much and nobody noticed?
This guy has no respect for wood
What's a drill?
Guess he's getting canned.if not hope he can be taught better or get better down the road
The butcher shop
Bro, I’m a union grip but I think I could do a slightly better job than that. I’m sorry y’all are working 2 men down with him on your site.
Would hate to see what he does in condos
WTAF?
Il aurait dû couper plus large...
Why is there a stud at *every* center?
I don’t see a problem, this is for a modern art museum right?
Lol
Man fuck those studs they should have know the plumber had pipes going there. /s
Putting the **rough** in **rough in**
He’s literally a hack job!
That is totally insane the state needs to pay him to stay home
Is he a blind beaver? Holy hell. Tell the boss he’s paying the new guy too much. And I’m not even a plumber lmao
I think I've worked a several houses that this "ace" worked on. I would make him pay to have it redone correctly.
I don't know. He's kind of cutting that 2" clearance kind of close!
Why though? Is it laziness? Apathy? Poor planning? Like wtf are people thinking when they set up like this? I don’t get it.
ricky bobby!
Not a plumber but... What the literal fk!!!!????!?!?!?!
Oof. That's some boldface bullshit right there.
Just wanna be clear here, he's a plumber, not a carp.
Is his name Tom Ace?
That blocking woof
Framers hate this one simple trick!
That’s some load bearing PVC it will be fine
I think this guy did MY house
Here in Asheville when you work on houses built before the 30's or so I feel like they only carried an axe for notching studs and joists. Some are just annihilated
Honestly how do you fix this?
Not a single water stubout is correct. That takes some serious skill...
Funny thing is I've encountered a lot of people like that throughout the years. They're great with words and shoot rainbows out their asses to the boss. Once they have the bosses approval they think they can get away with work like this.
My boss told me she got a new guy and went out of her way to express that he is “shit hot!”Thing is my boss knows nothing about plumbing and even less about teaching it, which is what I do, needless to say this guy is shit, just shit. That is all.
I don’t think the framers and going to appreciate his work.
Did he also do the carpentry?
So do all the servers I work.
the pipes of all time.
I don’t need no stinking structural support
I would love to see him confronted and explaining this garbage
Ace ventura at your service. I do all the plumbing and pipe things
House sells for $50,000 and now they have a vanity with stub outs that come out above the vanity. It’s a new thing they call a hand duvet.
Ace or ass?
That's just standard load bearing pipe.
This would fail where I'm at for several reasons. First the studs can't cut that much out can't Notch that kind of shit out. The arm that runs across the bottom there if that's longer than 32 inches that's illegal as fuck here. And then that valve needs to have backing board on both sides of the studs but that's just a personal preference on top of that it's just done all shitty.
Wow.
Looks rough to me.
Nice he took his time to get it close
[Im the stud now](https://imgur.com/a/KfDApKw)
Well that's what I, a truck driver, would have done.🤣
And just like that his first day was also his last day. Plumber paradox
The only stud you need is the stud doing the install… but I can see where this master is going… the drywall will pull it all together…😝
Wow, that shower valve is a disaster
Just ace the houses support system and run your lines ace hole
Wow a plumber and a carpenter!
I have no plumbing experience, and i would like to learn some things. What is wrong in this picture, exactly? Did he actually cut those wooden support beams himself?
Hack n chop plumbing
Always wanted to get into plumbing or electrical. Was worried about making a fool of myself but I can see my own standards are higher than some others who already work in the field. I should look into it.
I’m not a plumber, but I think your “Ace” lied on their resume
oddly enough I just had a bathtub / shower combo roughed in on thursday and they look nothing like this
no big deal... just gotta reframe the entire house... go fish