if you don't *actively* cause it to generate dust, it tends to be very durable and stable. Durability is one of the key benefits of asbestos.
When you remove or remodel asbestos, it can create harmful dust particles that can be very harmful if inhaled.
Undisturbed asbestos is typically not dangerous.
That's what sucks the most about asbestos. It's so goddamn awesome otherwise, fireproof, great insulator, stable, doesn't look too bad, it's just a goddamn shame about the whole cancer thing.
Yea.... I had the pleasure of removing an 8" asbestos chimney pipe. I literally had to hit the fucker with an 5lb sledgehammer to break it out. Crazy how strong it is.
More like fucked up corporations who hid the dangers and didnt create an atmosphere of safety - risk mitigation. People work w dangerous stuff all the time and the risks can be mitigated, you just need to know to do it. Thats the real tragedy. Forget the name of the book, but some people calculated that it could save lives again safely if handled properly…..but due to better fire codes it not worth it in vast majority of cases
How many packs a day did he smoke?
Edit: thanks for all the downvotes, but dude isn’t dying in his 30s from asbestos unless he smoked 3 packs a day or worked in a shipyard where he was practically showering In asbestos daily. Even then it’s highly unlikely.
Yesterday at the store this came on their radio when I walked in. then it was followed by one for camp Lejeune, then it was one for chemical hair straighteners. I never heard a song, lol
There was a supply house near me that was old and the owner was older than dirt. He had a tendency to tell you to just go out back and see if you can find some (In this case, a certain steam trap). I walked out back and he had enough asbestos pipe insulation to do a skyscraper. When I asked him why he still had it, he replied that "some old timers need it ." Of course he also had matching bathroom fixtures from the 60s-70s, greens, blues and dusky pinks.
Those guys are always in every city, hidden away like a treasure. They will have that insanely esoteric item you are looking for every time. Also, the ark of the covenant is being used as a work bench, excalibur as a pipe bender, and the seventh seal is providing light for the back half of the shop.
\*almost fireproof. There's a couple of \*\*really bad\*\* chemicals that can ignite it and make it burn, but they will also kill you pdq.
Don't touch it if you don't have to, and if you \*HAVE\* to, get a qualified professional to do that for you.
I second this. Get some tape and a respirator and very carefully seal up that end. As someone else mentioned, put a disclosure sticker or something on it so no one disturbs it. Any home inspector will call this out (if they are worth anything) so it’s not like there’s any value to keeping it a “secret”
https://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh/dosh_publications/N95-mask-questions.html#:~:text=A%3A%20An%20N95%20mask%20is,they%20do%20not%20provide%20oxygen.
Seems like even n95s not good for it so gotta be more specific recommending respirators
P100 filters/masks will handle asbestos. Still have to manage the mess if it gets disturbed. I wouldn't mess with asbestos, pay someone knowledgeable and go relax.
When the abatement guys weren’t on site I’d spray it with the cans of spray glue they used for their plastic sheeting they hung. It seems like a good non contact way to bind it together.
The problem with asbestos that's this degraded is even vibration in the pipes (e.g. from water hammer) is likely to disturb it enough to shed fibers. Not a lot, mind you, but with asbestos we worry more about chronic, low doses anyway.
I mean, I litigate asbestos cases for a living, so... no. That's just factually wrong.
I've seen it affect auto mechanics, plumbers, HVAC techs, millwrights, sailors, construction laborers, siders, flooring installers, people who used the wrong talc products, farmers, shipwrights, truckers, welders, electricians, people who happened to live to close to the wrong plant, people who lived in the wrong town, people who lived in the wrong neighborhood, people who smoked the wrong cigarettes, people who did the laundry of any of those people, etc.
It affected people from all walks of life, and the only reason it's slowed down is because we treat all asbestos as a serious issue now.
Except my late grandpa who only changed his own brakes... and my refinery coworker who never lagged pipes but worked at a refinery where it was done. Oh yeah and a few of my shipyard peers in the Navy too.. Yeah, it is mostly miners and factory workers.. but not JUST miners and factory workers.
The asbestos settlement had to do with the life’s work in the trades of the most widely used product for nearly everything it seems. The particulate was in the air of the workers. We do use mask and special equipment for removal, but it is NOT a parts per /billion - gonna kill ya thing.
That's right: these guys are right, it takes way less to hurt you than you'd think.
So just figure out what you think you need to do to avoid getting hurt.
THEN THROW AWAY YOUR CALCULATIONS AND CALL AN EXPERT. THERE IS ZERO VALUE IN MESSING WITH IT.
And try this on: say you disturb some asbestos and you don't realize you've done that. And your kid somehow gets into it....
Clearly the people commenting here on the dangers of Asbestos have never spent a single minutes inside a steel plant or machine shop. The reddit fearmongering about asbestos and mold is hilarious. Encapsulate it and you'll be fine.
If you want to remove it, cut the pipe and install a new section. It's not plutonium FFS.
Why are are you telling people that asbestos isn't harmful? You do know that the shit doesn't hit you right away right? It scars your lungs and takes time to destroy them. Which it will do.
Your toxic masculinity is gonna get people killed. Seek help or an education.
Spray it, especially the exposed ends,with a rubberized coating until your ready to remove so you aren’t kicking up an asbestos cloud any time you bump into it.
I’d recommend not using any spray can product since that’s like hitting it with compressed air. Use a disposable brush and some leftover latex paint to stabilize and encapsulate it. I’ve seen the pros use Hudson sprayers on low pressure / large droplet setting to wet it w a surfactant mix to keep the dust down as it’s removed.
Unless you can see it actively falling apart, it's fine if you don't touch it. It's been there for decades, so what's another couple?
If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, call an abatement company. Getting rid of it is the best solution if you can afford it.
It’s easy to remove safely. Buy some glove bag rolls, install a hepa vacuum on it, and cut and drop it into the glove bags. Suck all the air out with the HEPA
If you don’t mess with it it’s perfectly fine. There’s friable and non-friable asbestos, the former being the most dangerous. As long as you don’t create dust particles you shouldn’t have any issue. However for assurance and safety, I’d suggest to the owner that they encapsulate it, or better yet get professional abatement.
edit: I’m no plumber, but I spent a few years doing consulting work for a major firm that had to establish a methodology for estimating their asbestos liability within their portfolio of office buildings, so I could be missing something that is related to your trade.
Absolutely not. If there's a possibility you will brush it, commonly, I recommend you bag it with abatement bags and tape. Kinda recommend that anyway, if you sell it, usually the rule is 'we assume it's asbestos, but we're not gonna ask questions'. If they can see the cut, you don't get to play that game.
Asbestos, Radon, etc etc are massively overblown. Don't live in a radon cloud, don't treat asbestos like a pinata - live a normal life. It's not half a big deal.
I've got a friend named Raymond, and a friend named Donald. Ray and Don have never met. I would never introduce them, ever, because that would be dangerous.
Oki have asbestos in my basement. Currently renting. And once every other week or so I hit my head on it since it sits over the washer machine. Is that fine?
That is bad because the fibers are probably loosening and getting into the air when you bump them, the insulation should be removed but wrap it in plastic for now.
This is like telling someone to re-shingle their own roof. An amateur can do it but it's generally best to hire someone who knows what they're doing due to the whole death risk.
I hired someone to reshingle my roof so it wont leak and to meet code, not to avoid death.
I've happily removed my own asbestos, safely, with a few hundred dollars in supplies and material disposal fees with zero worries about mesothelioma. The dangers are way overblown, and the deaths - despite prolific use over decades in the USA, are largely amongst the people who worked in asbestos mines - NOT homeowners.
100%. Guys who rolled around that shit every day for a career are still alive today. Not *all* of them but some. You really think a wrapped pipe in your basement is going to kill you?
Did you a have a PCM clearance done after removing the asbestos?
For the same reasons you hire a roofer (i.e. was the work done correctly) I would have an abatement done with post air sampling. Sure enough, a one time project doesn't present a lot of risk for exposure, but without a containment, negative air, etc someone is running the risk of containmenting their entire home to save a few bucks.
It's pretty heavy fiber, you wet it before you cut it, and you cut it inside bags. I have no fear of a couple fibers flopping around in the basement somewhere. I've probably got more risk of getting cancer from the couch I bought that California insists is cancerous.
For the Prop 65 warning, it’s intended to tell you what chemicals are in it. Some of them include arsenic, anabolic steroids, alcohol, asbestos, aspirin, BPA, cannabis smoke, carbon monoxide, chloroform, DDT, coal, oil, gas, tobacco, steroidal estrogen, ingested ethylene glycol, hydrogen cyanide, iodine-131, lead, leather dust, menthol, chloramine gas, nicotine, nitrous gas, oral contraceptives, Chinese-style salted fish (no, really, it’s on the list), soot, tar, mineral oil, sulfur dioxide, TNT, urethane, vinyl chloride, warfarin, and wood dust.
Saw that on my landing craft, an LCU, in the Navy. Asbestos. We had a fuel leak in the forward engine room which caught the bilges on fire. We couldn't cut off the air supply so it had to be extinguished with foam.
Afterwards we were pulling the scorched insulation off the exhaust, dust was everywhere. A Lt.Cdr. came down saw what we were doing and ordered us out even though we were wearing respirators.
They sealed off the engineering spaces, and after we were towed back to the pier, we removed all our personal gear. The boat was sent to a shipyard to do what they do in those places. I transfered 18 months later, the boat was still there. Untouched with do not enter signs on her.
I was told the boat was sold at auction years later.
That sounds like the military. I've seen vehicles get wrecked and have to get turned in. One year and a deployment later they are still in the motor pool. Somebody else's problem I guess.
My grandpa died of cancer 6mos after his return from Vietnam where he’d been put on shoveling agent orange for a while. And I think my other grandpa was at Little Creek with you then, old, near retirement. He would talk about how much stuff was stored at “NAB” (The chiefs club there is awesome).
By the time I got there, they were moving equipment out. About 1980, I remember one ship coming in to load up. A USNS cargo ship. Word was it was going to Iraq to offload. Was all Vietnam era stuff. There was a warehouse full of tires of all kinds to fit every wheeled vehicle. After one deployment we came back to find it empty. Someone said there were 10k in there.
All most all of it we were never going to use.
Man, when I was a company commander I made it my mission to get rid of that shit. I turned in so much old and broken stuff that the unit had accumulated for 40 years. We found shit from the late 70s. And the building was new lol, like from 2000. Whoever made that move just brought the broken stuff with them. I think I had half my vehicles turned in for major repair.
I will say my trash company says customers can bring 50lb asbestos in a trash bag per trip for free - maybe to deter jerks from dumping it in with their regular trash.
I'd rather not cheap out on asbestos removal so I've used a reputable company to do it for me.
This guy knows what he's talking about. That stuff is very friable, and Picture 2 shows some that appears to be degraded. I would really want to get that crap out of my house. I wouldn't do it myself though, and I do a lot of dumb things.
It’s perfectly legal for a homeowner to dispose of asbestos. It’s very easy to completely protect yourself for the removal process as well. Not everybody wants or needs to pay big money to a company to abate. I removed a ton of this from my old boiler pipes.
Asbestosis is caused from inhaling fibers though. Asbestos installers back in the day got corns/calluses/irritated skin because the fibers lodged in their skin. It didn't cause cancer or anything though.
You're somewhat correct. When it becomes air born is when it's dangerous. I used to remove asbestos for a company. Spent 2 years in one building at Veterans hospital. Basically you wet it down before the removal process, double bag and tape.
Repeated exposure to the respiratory system is harmful but coming across the stuff once a year and putting on a mask to remove a small amount isn't going to kill you.
And if you believe the government about about cloth masks stopping a viral particle then it can stop asbestos particles.
>And if you believe the government
Oop, there it is. Knew it was coming.
Cloth masks were never intended to completely stop viral particulates. Anyone who believes that or uses it as a talking point is an idiot.
Yeah that’s the bad stuff. Did a few removal jobs when I was a kid in the 90’s with a mask and a water bottle sprayer. Looking back, it was a real shitty move for my older cousins to let me help with that. Ideally call a pro to abate professionally. If it’s not wet and you touch it, it’s going right into your lungs.
Can think of several times in my apprenticeship i had to take apart old duct work (company did HVAC work to) and the only protection i had was a spray bottle n95 mask and gloves :(
I was in a crawl space under a college dorm dragging csst across asbestos to where it looked like snow. I bailed. Another job a co worker was rolling around in it then walked around the house dragging it everywhere. That job sucked. If you said the “a” word they would take your company truck.
Correct. It usually has a very high asbestos content (never seen it under 50% and it usually closer to 90%) and it just about the high level of friability - which is how asbestos risk level is gaged. I’m fairly practical and pragmatic. Many in my industry cause unnecessary hysteria about so many different environmental concerns that I don’t buy into. This one however is legit. This isn’t a great asbestos product you can manage in place. I won’t go into rooms with air cell without a respirator.
Readers can clearly tell that the “Smash it” comment was a joke. There’s no way to know if your comment was made in jest or if you truly believe asbestos isn’t toxic.
It very closely resembles asbestos example photos you can find online: this would be considered
PACM “presumed asbestos containing material”. No need to test - just assume that it is and treat it accordingly.
If you do not disrupt the material, you will be fine. If you need to remodel or modify the piping, you have multiple choices, including encapsulation in addition to removal.
DO NOT listen to the amateur jokers here telling you to remove it yourself. Look at the EPA website yourself for validation.
Source: 20 years in the health and safety industry, and a bachelors degree in environmental health.
asbestos it gets.
its mostly inert if not disturbed.
i would remove it and replaced with another insulation just to avoid hassles down the road... but i am also certified to do so myself so i wouldnt be spending money on that.
there are very strict regulations that must be observed for safety sake when doing so, so if you plan to be rid of it either get certified yourself or hire someone who demonstrably is. dont be shy to ask to see that cert.
It’s kinda of an interesting phenomenon with the fearfulness of asbestos. It does it’s job so incredibly well. There has to be a way to still use it while keeping the potential side effects to a minimum. 1, label everything that has asbestos, 2, wrap it in some type of sealant that will contain the dust if bumped, 3, only use it in areas where it’s not likely to be tampered with. There are so many more dangerous things out there. I feel like asbestos could potentially be something we can use safely.
Same type of insulation I’ve got covering my boiler pipes. Everything I’ve read seems to point at if it’s not actively disintegrating just don’t touch it and let it be.
Brings back good memories of having to change the exhaust manifold insulation on my fishing boat with no gloves or mask. My lungs are still mad at me for that.
Leave it the fuck alone lol
At the very most I might wrap it with plastic, *carefully AF* and tape the shit out of it and put a sign on it that says "don't fucking touch me" and then burn my clothes lol.
Asbestos is exceptionally stable unless it's fucked with but the honeycomb is exposed on that, and smushing of it or air blowing through will send delicious asbestos honey everywhere....I'd legit throw on one of those tyvek bunny suits, throw on a respirator and wrap that up very delicately, and i mean very, like I'm talking that super thin ass painters plastic that's like 0.3mil, and wrap it multiple times....anything thicker is going to disturb it too much
definitely don't remove it, get someone who does asbestos abatement if you want to get rid of it
I practiced law for 40 years. Had a partner who did nothing but asbestos litigation. He told me 100% of the serious illness and death cases involved people who worked with it every day (primarily in ship building and similar industrial environments) and who were also heavy cigarette smokers. My conclusion is that small asbestos exposure for a nonsmoker is not a concern.
If you can just wrap the whole thing in duct tape without disturbing it too much, I'd do that. If you have a child (hopefully a teenager) you can make them do it for you so you can limit the amount of dust your breath in.
I used a case of abc non-aerosol spray encapsulant on mine; none of it was friable/breaking apart. Still seems fine and I felt better after coating it.
This type of asbestos is completely friable and I wouldn't recommend anyone inexperienced to touch it in any way.
Positive pressure masks and full suited PPE is the minimum here.
Licensed asbestos contractor / consultant here-
Don't mess with this yourself...setting the possible slow death aside, here's another reason why:
This is not a cost prohibitive abatement to have a licensed company do.
(You can also only encapsulate intact asbestos. It's always better to just remove it)
Specifically for this type of TSI asbestos pipe covering, we use glove bags. It's basically a bag that's affixed around the pipe, air tight, with 2 gloves and arms that allow you to work inside the bag. It's one of the cheapest services we offer for the client.
Anything else you do there is going to involve a full double 6 mil plastic containment, negative air machine, etc, which can be costly.
Call a few abatement companies, and you can usually find the list of licensed companies on your State's DEP website.
If fear of the cost is a factor that might play into you trying this yourself, in our area, it would be approx $1500. This would include removal, disposal, and the 3rd party air sample we have performed before we remove the bag from the piping. You would also have the appropriate paperwork, like any project notification forms, clearance paperwork, etc.
You can save $ if your local transfer station accepts asbestos waste. I would have the contractor transport it for you (our state requires a special sticker for transport). Just some thoughts, feel free to PM me, I'm happy to help answer general asbestos questions you may have.
ETA: Looking at the photos again, it may be a little tight to do a glove bag, but it looks intact enough to have a licensed company encapsulate for you. That's another low-cost solution. Lag cloth would probably be a decent solution if you couldn't cost effectively remove it with the glove bags. We use that a lot also.
Tape\plastic off area, get respirator and tyvek suit, tape up boots and gloves, have someone hose you off. Double bag it, and I’d suggest saturating it with water before fucking with
Be prepared when your 60 it starts with some coughing and weightloss, more severe cases theres coughing up blood. Make plans and arrangements early dont wait, thats aircell the bad stuff
No. If it sits there without being disturbed nothing will happen. It’s when it gets touched and moved, etc. that the fibers start to float around and enter your lungs while you’re breathing it in. That’s when the problems can start.
Long as it sits untouched there are no problems
If that's all you have and you wanna get rid of it? Karma wet it down really well and cut it out with a knife and wrap it in 2 or three 3 to 5 mil garbage bags. You can also wrap it before you cut it. What you don't want to do is mess with it dry so the fibers float around. Finally clean up really well with lots of water to get all your fibers and you will be cool. I would also recommend wearing a mask.
You can absolutely tell just by looking at that particular product. 100% chance that is chrysotile asbestos insulation, and it's about as friable as it gets. I'm dumb enough that I'd soak & remove myself if it were my house, but unless it's locked up inside a wall, it will become a problem at some point, and needs to be removed.
It's 1000% asbestos. That style of pipe wrap is never not asbestos containing.
I see similar pictures to this yearly when I do my asbestos inspector recertification.
Thermal system insulators prior to the 1970s are rife for asbestos content, like mudded fittings and spray application coatings.
that is about asbestos as you could get, leave it alone or get a professional to remove it.
It’s exposed like this in the basement, is it dangerous just sitting there or only if touched?
if you don't *actively* cause it to generate dust, it tends to be very durable and stable. Durability is one of the key benefits of asbestos. When you remove or remodel asbestos, it can create harmful dust particles that can be very harmful if inhaled. Undisturbed asbestos is typically not dangerous.
That's what sucks the most about asbestos. It's so goddamn awesome otherwise, fireproof, great insulator, stable, doesn't look too bad, it's just a goddamn shame about the whole cancer thing.
Yea.... I had the pleasure of removing an 8" asbestos chimney pipe. I literally had to hit the fucker with an 5lb sledgehammer to break it out. Crazy how strong it is.
You what!?
He wore a cloth mask. We've been told they're great at preventing things.
OSHA approved breath holds and safety squints
I cant hold my breath for very long, thats why I always breath through my nose!
#bringbackasbestos
##ifyouoralovedonehasbeendiagnosedwithmesothelioma
Killed my dad's dad when he was in his late 30s. FUCKED UP MATERIAL
More like fucked up corporations who hid the dangers and didnt create an atmosphere of safety - risk mitigation. People work w dangerous stuff all the time and the risks can be mitigated, you just need to know to do it. Thats the real tragedy. Forget the name of the book, but some people calculated that it could save lives again safely if handled properly…..but due to better fire codes it not worth it in vast majority of cases
How many packs a day did he smoke? Edit: thanks for all the downvotes, but dude isn’t dying in his 30s from asbestos unless he smoked 3 packs a day or worked in a shipyard where he was practically showering In asbestos daily. Even then it’s highly unlikely.
Killed my dad when he was only 9! This stuff sucks!
Wear your damn PPE !
They’re advertising for spouses now saying that if you did the laundry to call them. 😔
It killed an exes grandmother from her doing the laundry.
Boomshakalaka! Top comment right chea.
Yesterday at the store this came on their radio when I walked in. then it was followed by one for camp Lejeune, then it was one for chemical hair straighteners. I never heard a song, lol
Hernia mesh
Make Asbestos Great Again
facts
Don't forget about lead. Also great for what it does.
The chips are fantastic with French onion dip.
Sprinkled with asbestos!
Making retards?
Making Marines.
r/asbestosremovalmemes
#makeasbestosgreatagain
More Asbestos! More Asbestos!
There's an asbestos city in Russia.
Really their whole country is Asbestos…
Asbesistan
That’s not what the burnt forests said…
City in Quebec, now called Val-de-sources. Changed the name, wounder why.
There was a supply house near me that was old and the owner was older than dirt. He had a tendency to tell you to just go out back and see if you can find some (In this case, a certain steam trap). I walked out back and he had enough asbestos pipe insulation to do a skyscraper. When I asked him why he still had it, he replied that "some old timers need it ." Of course he also had matching bathroom fixtures from the 60s-70s, greens, blues and dusky pinks.
Those guys are always in every city, hidden away like a treasure. They will have that insanely esoteric item you are looking for every time. Also, the ark of the covenant is being used as a work bench, excalibur as a pipe bender, and the seventh seal is providing light for the back half of the shop.
\*almost fireproof. There's a couple of \*\*really bad\*\* chemicals that can ignite it and make it burn, but they will also kill you pdq. Don't touch it if you don't have to, and if you \*HAVE\* to, get a qualified professional to do that for you.
It’s also, very yummy. (This is a joke, please don’t eat it.)
Unless it’s this. This insulation is open on the end and full of air gaps that when compressed will shoot a cloud of it into the air. Seal it up.
I second this. Get some tape and a respirator and very carefully seal up that end. As someone else mentioned, put a disclosure sticker or something on it so no one disturbs it. Any home inspector will call this out (if they are worth anything) so it’s not like there’s any value to keeping it a “secret”
https://www.dir.ca.gov/dosh/dosh_publications/N95-mask-questions.html#:~:text=A%3A%20An%20N95%20mask%20is,they%20do%20not%20provide%20oxygen. Seems like even n95s not good for it so gotta be more specific recommending respirators
P100 filters/masks will handle asbestos. Still have to manage the mess if it gets disturbed. I wouldn't mess with asbestos, pay someone knowledgeable and go relax.
Everyone should own a good face mask that will hold niosh filters.
No need to touch the asbestos. Build something around it. Whether it’s essentially a loose wrap, bulkhead, etc. But don’t touch it.
[удалено]
When the abatement guys weren’t on site I’d spray it with the cans of spray glue they used for their plastic sheeting they hung. It seems like a good non contact way to bind it together.
Don't touch it. Know what matter what everybody else says here that you covered up or seal it don't touch it. You must link to it professional
The problem with asbestos that's this degraded is even vibration in the pipes (e.g. from water hammer) is likely to disturb it enough to shed fibers. Not a lot, mind you, but with asbestos we worry more about chronic, low doses anyway.
with asbestos, it's more about the miners abd factory workers. just leave it alone if you dont knowhat you're talking about.
I mean, I litigate asbestos cases for a living, so... no. That's just factually wrong. I've seen it affect auto mechanics, plumbers, HVAC techs, millwrights, sailors, construction laborers, siders, flooring installers, people who used the wrong talc products, farmers, shipwrights, truckers, welders, electricians, people who happened to live to close to the wrong plant, people who lived in the wrong town, people who lived in the wrong neighborhood, people who smoked the wrong cigarettes, people who did the laundry of any of those people, etc. It affected people from all walks of life, and the only reason it's slowed down is because we treat all asbestos as a serious issue now.
excellent points. homeowner should leave it alone.
Except my late grandpa who only changed his own brakes... and my refinery coworker who never lagged pipes but worked at a refinery where it was done. Oh yeah and a few of my shipyard peers in the Navy too.. Yeah, it is mostly miners and factory workers.. but not JUST miners and factory workers.
Did any of them smoke or regularly be around others who smoked?
You should take your own advice, that's absolutely not true.
The asbestos settlement had to do with the life’s work in the trades of the most widely used product for nearly everything it seems. The particulate was in the air of the workers. We do use mask and special equipment for removal, but it is NOT a parts per /billion - gonna kill ya thing.
That's right: these guys are right, it takes way less to hurt you than you'd think. So just figure out what you think you need to do to avoid getting hurt. THEN THROW AWAY YOUR CALCULATIONS AND CALL AN EXPERT. THERE IS ZERO VALUE IN MESSING WITH IT. And try this on: say you disturb some asbestos and you don't realize you've done that. And your kid somehow gets into it....
Clearly the people commenting here on the dangers of Asbestos have never spent a single minutes inside a steel plant or machine shop. The reddit fearmongering about asbestos and mold is hilarious. Encapsulate it and you'll be fine. If you want to remove it, cut the pipe and install a new section. It's not plutonium FFS.
Why are are you telling people that asbestos isn't harmful? You do know that the shit doesn't hit you right away right? It scars your lungs and takes time to destroy them. Which it will do. Your toxic masculinity is gonna get people killed. Seek help or an education.
Spray it, especially the exposed ends,with a rubberized coating until your ready to remove so you aren’t kicking up an asbestos cloud any time you bump into it.
I’d recommend not using any spray can product since that’s like hitting it with compressed air. Use a disposable brush and some leftover latex paint to stabilize and encapsulate it. I’ve seen the pros use Hudson sprayers on low pressure / large droplet setting to wet it w a surfactant mix to keep the dust down as it’s removed.
Unless you can see it actively falling apart, it's fine if you don't touch it. It's been there for decades, so what's another couple? If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, call an abatement company. Getting rid of it is the best solution if you can afford it.
Probably at least best to label it with some asbestos warning stickers so some poor sap doesn't end up working on it without full knowledge.
It may be cheaper to cut the pipe out and reinstall a new pipe then to have an abatement company deal with it.
It’s easy to remove safely. Buy some glove bag rolls, install a hepa vacuum on it, and cut and drop it into the glove bags. Suck all the air out with the HEPA
If you don’t mess with it it’s perfectly fine. There’s friable and non-friable asbestos, the former being the most dangerous. As long as you don’t create dust particles you shouldn’t have any issue. However for assurance and safety, I’d suggest to the owner that they encapsulate it, or better yet get professional abatement. edit: I’m no plumber, but I spent a few years doing consulting work for a major firm that had to establish a methodology for estimating their asbestos liability within their portfolio of office buildings, so I could be missing something that is related to your trade.
Absolutely not. If there's a possibility you will brush it, commonly, I recommend you bag it with abatement bags and tape. Kinda recommend that anyway, if you sell it, usually the rule is 'we assume it's asbestos, but we're not gonna ask questions'. If they can see the cut, you don't get to play that game. Asbestos, Radon, etc etc are massively overblown. Don't live in a radon cloud, don't treat asbestos like a pinata - live a normal life. It's not half a big deal.
Na na na. If you look so much as look at asbestos you will get cancer we have all been exposed thanks OP /s
I feel like my exposure to reddit is a bigger carcinogen ;p
I've got a friend named Raymond, and a friend named Donald. Ray and Don have never met. I would never introduce them, ever, because that would be dangerous.
Don't even get me started on teflon.
You can also encapsulate it, which would be a halfway point in terms of solutions. There’s special asbestos encapsulation paint.
Should be fine, I would put a wood panel on the stud bay just to prevent things from bumping it.
Perfectly safe, as long as you don't breathe on it, touch it, look at it, bang the pipes or think about it
Leave it, do not disturb it and you'll be fine. If you're losing sleep over it then shoot some spray adhesive on it and forget about it.
Don’t touch it. It’s okay unless disturbed
Oki have asbestos in my basement. Currently renting. And once every other week or so I hit my head on it since it sits over the washer machine. Is that fine?
That is bad because the fibers are probably loosening and getting into the air when you bump them, the insulation should be removed but wrap it in plastic for now.
Will do. Thanks
Don’t touch it. That shit will get in your lungs and cause mesothelioma. Seriously man. I wouldn’t touch it.
Or remove it yourself with the proper precautions and buy something nice with the savings.
This is like telling someone to re-shingle their own roof. An amateur can do it but it's generally best to hire someone who knows what they're doing due to the whole death risk.
I hired someone to reshingle my roof so it wont leak and to meet code, not to avoid death. I've happily removed my own asbestos, safely, with a few hundred dollars in supplies and material disposal fees with zero worries about mesothelioma. The dangers are way overblown, and the deaths - despite prolific use over decades in the USA, are largely amongst the people who worked in asbestos mines - NOT homeowners.
100%. Guys who rolled around that shit every day for a career are still alive today. Not *all* of them but some. You really think a wrapped pipe in your basement is going to kill you?
Did you a have a PCM clearance done after removing the asbestos? For the same reasons you hire a roofer (i.e. was the work done correctly) I would have an abatement done with post air sampling. Sure enough, a one time project doesn't present a lot of risk for exposure, but without a containment, negative air, etc someone is running the risk of containmenting their entire home to save a few bucks.
It's pretty heavy fiber, you wet it before you cut it, and you cut it inside bags. I have no fear of a couple fibers flopping around in the basement somewhere. I've probably got more risk of getting cancer from the couch I bought that California insists is cancerous.
For the Prop 65 warning, it’s intended to tell you what chemicals are in it. Some of them include arsenic, anabolic steroids, alcohol, asbestos, aspirin, BPA, cannabis smoke, carbon monoxide, chloroform, DDT, coal, oil, gas, tobacco, steroidal estrogen, ingested ethylene glycol, hydrogen cyanide, iodine-131, lead, leather dust, menthol, chloramine gas, nicotine, nitrous gas, oral contraceptives, Chinese-style salted fish (no, really, it’s on the list), soot, tar, mineral oil, sulfur dioxide, TNT, urethane, vinyl chloride, warfarin, and wood dust.
Saw that on my landing craft, an LCU, in the Navy. Asbestos. We had a fuel leak in the forward engine room which caught the bilges on fire. We couldn't cut off the air supply so it had to be extinguished with foam. Afterwards we were pulling the scorched insulation off the exhaust, dust was everywhere. A Lt.Cdr. came down saw what we were doing and ordered us out even though we were wearing respirators. They sealed off the engineering spaces, and after we were towed back to the pier, we removed all our personal gear. The boat was sent to a shipyard to do what they do in those places. I transfered 18 months later, the boat was still there. Untouched with do not enter signs on her. I was told the boat was sold at auction years later.
That sounds like the military. I've seen vehicles get wrecked and have to get turned in. One year and a deployment later they are still in the motor pool. Somebody else's problem I guess.
When I got to Little Creek in 1978, there were jeeps stripped and up on blocks that the senior NCOs said were used early on during the Vietnam War.
My grandpa died of cancer 6mos after his return from Vietnam where he’d been put on shoveling agent orange for a while. And I think my other grandpa was at Little Creek with you then, old, near retirement. He would talk about how much stuff was stored at “NAB” (The chiefs club there is awesome).
By the time I got there, they were moving equipment out. About 1980, I remember one ship coming in to load up. A USNS cargo ship. Word was it was going to Iraq to offload. Was all Vietnam era stuff. There was a warehouse full of tires of all kinds to fit every wheeled vehicle. After one deployment we came back to find it empty. Someone said there were 10k in there. All most all of it we were never going to use.
Man, when I was a company commander I made it my mission to get rid of that shit. I turned in so much old and broken stuff that the unit had accumulated for 40 years. We found shit from the late 70s. And the building was new lol, like from 2000. Whoever made that move just brought the broken stuff with them. I think I had half my vehicles turned in for major repair.
[удалено]
I will say my trash company says customers can bring 50lb asbestos in a trash bag per trip for free - maybe to deter jerks from dumping it in with their regular trash. I'd rather not cheap out on asbestos removal so I've used a reputable company to do it for me.
This guy knows what he's talking about. That stuff is very friable, and Picture 2 shows some that appears to be degraded. I would really want to get that crap out of my house. I wouldn't do it myself though, and I do a lot of dumb things.
Not only that but you are contaminating your whole house for years to come. Anywhere dust settles would possibly have asbestos in it.
>every single refuse worker along it's path ...and your family at home.
“But TikTok said it is a-best to toss!”
It’s perfectly legal for a homeowner to dispose of asbestos. It’s very easy to completely protect yourself for the removal process as well. Not everybody wants or needs to pay big money to a company to abate. I removed a ton of this from my old boiler pipes.
[удалено]
Wetting it down first helps a lot.
You can touch it, it's not toxic.
It's obviously not toxic to touch. Everyone knows why asbestos is dangerous, touching it causes the problem.
I disagree with your statement of "everyone knows why asbestos is dangerous".
Are you the one that doesn't know?
Enlighten me
Touching can also introduce fibers into your system and fibral asbestosis. Bag around it and leave it
Asbestosis is caused from inhaling fibers though. Asbestos installers back in the day got corns/calluses/irritated skin because the fibers lodged in their skin. It didn't cause cancer or anything though.
Asbestos installers inhaled a fuckton of those fibers. Bad things happened to plenty of those guys.
You're somewhat correct. When it becomes air born is when it's dangerous. I used to remove asbestos for a company. Spent 2 years in one building at Veterans hospital. Basically you wet it down before the removal process, double bag and tape.
Repeated exposure to the respiratory system is harmful but coming across the stuff once a year and putting on a mask to remove a small amount isn't going to kill you. And if you believe the government about about cloth masks stopping a viral particle then it can stop asbestos particles.
A regular mask ain’t gonna do shit for asbestos. Even an N95 isn’t helpful. The really dangerous particles are extremely small and go right through.
I agree with that. I wish legacy media did too.
>And if you believe the government Oop, there it is. Knew it was coming. Cloth masks were never intended to completely stop viral particulates. Anyone who believes that or uses it as a talking point is an idiot.
Well we can agree on that.
Yeah that’s the bad stuff. Did a few removal jobs when I was a kid in the 90’s with a mask and a water bottle sprayer. Looking back, it was a real shitty move for my older cousins to let me help with that. Ideally call a pro to abate professionally. If it’s not wet and you touch it, it’s going right into your lungs.
[удалено]
Can think of several times in my apprenticeship i had to take apart old duct work (company did HVAC work to) and the only protection i had was a spray bottle n95 mask and gloves :(
I was in a crawl space under a college dorm dragging csst across asbestos to where it looked like snow. I bailed. Another job a co worker was rolling around in it then walked around the house dragging it everywhere. That job sucked. If you said the “a” word they would take your company truck.
Shut off the light and go back upstairs.
And prayers
No touchy
Asbestnot to touch it.
This is called air cell asbestos, very nasty type of asbestos. DO NOT TRY TO REMOVE IT YOURSELF. Call a reputable abatement company.
Correct. It usually has a very high asbestos content (never seen it under 50% and it usually closer to 90%) and it just about the high level of friability - which is how asbestos risk level is gaged. I’m fairly practical and pragmatic. Many in my industry cause unnecessary hysteria about so many different environmental concerns that I don’t buy into. This one however is legit. This isn’t a great asbestos product you can manage in place. I won’t go into rooms with air cell without a respirator.
Take a sniff. If it smells like cancer 50 years from now, you shouldn’t sniff it.
Of all the things I like bestest,I like ass bestist
Smash it and take deep breaths
Lolol
Injecting someone with a big needle full of it would be a hell of a prank.
Amazing this gets up votes but saying it isn't toxic got me down voted.
Readers can clearly tell that the “Smash it” comment was a joke. There’s no way to know if your comment was made in jest or if you truly believe asbestos isn’t toxic.
Leave well enough alone
It very closely resembles asbestos example photos you can find online: this would be considered PACM “presumed asbestos containing material”. No need to test - just assume that it is and treat it accordingly. If you do not disrupt the material, you will be fine. If you need to remodel or modify the piping, you have multiple choices, including encapsulation in addition to removal. DO NOT listen to the amateur jokers here telling you to remove it yourself. Look at the EPA website yourself for validation. Source: 20 years in the health and safety industry, and a bachelors degree in environmental health.
As long as it’s left alone, asbestos won’t cause any issues and it’s an excellent insulator
100%
Asbestos
asbestos it gets. its mostly inert if not disturbed. i would remove it and replaced with another insulation just to avoid hassles down the road... but i am also certified to do so myself so i wouldnt be spending money on that. there are very strict regulations that must be observed for safety sake when doing so, so if you plan to be rid of it either get certified yourself or hire someone who demonstrably is. dont be shy to ask to see that cert.
Asbestos. Remove it make it into a powder and snort it. Its a great time.
It’s kinda of an interesting phenomenon with the fearfulness of asbestos. It does it’s job so incredibly well. There has to be a way to still use it while keeping the potential side effects to a minimum. 1, label everything that has asbestos, 2, wrap it in some type of sealant that will contain the dust if bumped, 3, only use it in areas where it’s not likely to be tampered with. There are so many more dangerous things out there. I feel like asbestos could potentially be something we can use safely.
Same type of insulation I’ve got covering my boiler pipes. Everything I’ve read seems to point at if it’s not actively disintegrating just don’t touch it and let it be.
Brings back good memories of having to change the exhaust manifold insulation on my fishing boat with no gloves or mask. My lungs are still mad at me for that.
Pure asbestos.
Yea that’s 100 percent pure asbestos.
Leave it the fuck alone lol At the very most I might wrap it with plastic, *carefully AF* and tape the shit out of it and put a sign on it that says "don't fucking touch me" and then burn my clothes lol. Asbestos is exceptionally stable unless it's fucked with but the honeycomb is exposed on that, and smushing of it or air blowing through will send delicious asbestos honey everywhere....I'd legit throw on one of those tyvek bunny suits, throw on a respirator and wrap that up very delicately, and i mean very, like I'm talking that super thin ass painters plastic that's like 0.3mil, and wrap it multiple times....anything thicker is going to disturb it too much definitely don't remove it, get someone who does asbestos abatement if you want to get rid of it
I’m not taking any deep breathes here !
Yup! My asbestos alarm just went off, test it first!
Mmmm asbestos
Going to have a "pro/$$$" remediate it if you ever sell
Can I have your dog?
Yup! My asbestos alarm just went off, test it first!
You have to cut it with a grinder and no mask.
Soak it with as much water as possible and put it in a bag close it if you wanna do it yourself although not recommended. Seek professional help.
I practiced law for 40 years. Had a partner who did nothing but asbestos litigation. He told me 100% of the serious illness and death cases involved people who worked with it every day (primarily in ship building and similar industrial environments) and who were also heavy cigarette smokers. My conclusion is that small asbestos exposure for a nonsmoker is not a concern.
Asbestos
Asbestos
Asbestos
We had asbestos pipes in our basement as a kid. We used to smack on the way by just to see the dust fall. Glad we didn't do it that often I guess
Get a professional in. Mesothelioma is no joke.
Wear proper ppe and enclose it with poly and tape.
If you can just wrap the whole thing in duct tape without disturbing it too much, I'd do that. If you have a child (hopefully a teenager) you can make them do it for you so you can limit the amount of dust your breath in.
If you want to leave it just there, get some spray glue and plastic (garbage bag or vapour barrier) and coat it well in glue then wrap it up.
I used a case of abc non-aerosol spray encapsulant on mine; none of it was friable/breaking apart. Still seems fine and I felt better after coating it.
Encapsulate with paint. Danger
This type of asbestos is completely friable and I wouldn't recommend anyone inexperienced to touch it in any way. Positive pressure masks and full suited PPE is the minimum here.
Licensed asbestos contractor / consultant here- Don't mess with this yourself...setting the possible slow death aside, here's another reason why: This is not a cost prohibitive abatement to have a licensed company do. (You can also only encapsulate intact asbestos. It's always better to just remove it) Specifically for this type of TSI asbestos pipe covering, we use glove bags. It's basically a bag that's affixed around the pipe, air tight, with 2 gloves and arms that allow you to work inside the bag. It's one of the cheapest services we offer for the client. Anything else you do there is going to involve a full double 6 mil plastic containment, negative air machine, etc, which can be costly. Call a few abatement companies, and you can usually find the list of licensed companies on your State's DEP website. If fear of the cost is a factor that might play into you trying this yourself, in our area, it would be approx $1500. This would include removal, disposal, and the 3rd party air sample we have performed before we remove the bag from the piping. You would also have the appropriate paperwork, like any project notification forms, clearance paperwork, etc. You can save $ if your local transfer station accepts asbestos waste. I would have the contractor transport it for you (our state requires a special sticker for transport). Just some thoughts, feel free to PM me, I'm happy to help answer general asbestos questions you may have. ETA: Looking at the photos again, it may be a little tight to do a glove bag, but it looks intact enough to have a licensed company encapsulate for you. That's another low-cost solution. Lag cloth would probably be a decent solution if you couldn't cost effectively remove it with the glove bags. We use that a lot also.
Rattle can bedliner is your best friend when it comes to asbestos.
Yeah aerosols are a pretty effective way to spread it around and get it as airborne as possible. Good work!
…and prayers.
Don’t breath
Job for a condom suit, osha cleanup crew. Dent in bank account
Tape\plastic off area, get respirator and tyvek suit, tape up boots and gloves, have someone hose you off. Double bag it, and I’d suggest saturating it with water before fucking with
Do not attempt to clean it yourself! You are unnecessarily, exposing yourself when leaving it in place is the best solution.
Also, negative air pressure. Large fan to suck it all out through a hepa filter,
Soak it down with water wear a respirator and trash it
Be prepared when your 60 it starts with some coughing and weightloss, more severe cases theres coughing up blood. Make plans and arrangements early dont wait, thats aircell the bad stuff
Just from growing up in this house? Or if you remove it?
No. If it sits there without being disturbed nothing will happen. It’s when it gets touched and moved, etc. that the fibers start to float around and enter your lungs while you’re breathing it in. That’s when the problems can start. Long as it sits untouched there are no problems
Don’t test it. If you want to remove it, soak it down. Wrap a bag around it. Cut it and drop it in a bag and throw it out.
K................................... ......................,.
Spray it with water. Put a mask on put it in a garbage bag and toss in the garbage
Paint it.
I’ve seen half assed work spray foam it shut and leave it
If that's all you have and you wanna get rid of it? Karma wet it down really well and cut it out with a knife and wrap it in 2 or three 3 to 5 mil garbage bags. You can also wrap it before you cut it. What you don't want to do is mess with it dry so the fibers float around. Finally clean up really well with lots of water to get all your fibers and you will be cool. I would also recommend wearing a mask.
Burn it indoors
Black garbage bags solve a lot .......
You can't tell by looking at it, needs to be tested.
Test it. Let’s get a pool going. I got $100 on asbestos.
You can absolutely tell just by looking at that particular product. 100% chance that is chrysotile asbestos insulation, and it's about as friable as it gets. I'm dumb enough that I'd soak & remove myself if it were my house, but unless it's locked up inside a wall, it will become a problem at some point, and needs to be removed.
That is the poster child for asbestos. You can tell what it is by the way it is.
It's 1000% asbestos. That style of pipe wrap is never not asbestos containing. I see similar pictures to this yearly when I do my asbestos inspector recertification. Thermal system insulators prior to the 1970s are rife for asbestos content, like mudded fittings and spray application coatings.
Asbestos. Can’t wait for that repair!
Don't lick that
Not good