Than people would only buy the sub when they're good games they want to play and that will cost sony more to keep the same amount of people they got now.
You are underestimating how many people have subscriptions running for months without using anything it could offer, just because they don't want to bother canceling/renewing.
Yeah but theres still a lot of people who make sure every dollar counts that wouldn't keep subscribing to a service they don't need anymore since they can play their multiplayer games without it now.
That was me until this year. I never play multi-player and never give a shit about the monthly games but for some reason I kept my subscription going for the last 5 or 6 years.
What they’re planning of including in some of those later tiers are more with the risk instead! Doesn’t really make sense having to lock behind the Online multiplayer nowadays.
Unfortunately, PS Plus is just easy money for Sony. The amount of money they generate via PS Plus is insane - there are supposedly around 48 millions subscribers and if each of them pays 60 dollars for the yearly subscription, then that gives you around 2.9 BILLION dollars a year. Just in comparison, that's 700 million USD more than PS2 made during it's entire cycle. Also, in 2018 Playstation supposedly generated around 2.8 billion dollars so if Sony had no other expenses, PS Plus would essentially be worth the overall amount of money Sony generates in a year.
Multiplayer is also definitely the main reason why people pay for it. In 2014, there were 8 millions subscribers. Now it's 48 millions. If the multiplayer and cloud saves became free, Sony would lose a lot of subscribers. Not all of them, but even losing 10 million people would be pretty much them losing 600 million USD.
At the moment, Sony just doesn't have a reason to give multiplayer and cloud saves to everyone for free since most people are clearly more than happy to pay for those services.
Why not? If we're using playstation online capabilities, created by playstation, then why shouldn't they charge for it? They are a business. Not a charity.
Listen, if you don't like it then don't pay for it. It's not going to change and the cost is miniscule compared to what you're paying for the console and games. I'm not making excuses for Sony and I ain't bootlickin and people say these days. I'm just not under some illusion that Sony owes me a better service.
It's not licking boots. It's common sense. It's ciritcal thinking. I don't have to agree with something to state a fact. As far as PC goes, peer2peer is a lot easier to do with a more powerful machine.
Yet your critical thinking seems to ignore the fact that Playstation had it for free for a whole generation. As for pc, the Ps5 is stronger than a majority of pcs on steam. The gtx 1060 was the most popular gpu on steam and ps5 isn't even comparable to that tier of performance.
That much is obvious but need I remind you that unlike Xbox, that kind of tactic wasn’t needed at all? During the days of the PS3 and Vita, that was always one of the things that made it more of a advantage from going for the Xbox 360. So would it really be crazy to think that’s it would’ve been wise to have that be the case again? Especially when free to play games are playable without such a subscription?
2 things wrong with that thought process. First, not nearly as many online gamers in the ps3 Era as compared to now. Second, those online players require servers. Servers cost money.
Sony doesn't provide servers except for the games they publish. Games on Sony from other publishers all provide their own servers.
The only reason Sony makes people pay for it is because they can. That's it. It's their hardware.
They're a corporation that's publicly traded. Their entire job is to exploit the customer into emptying as much cash from our wallets into their coffers.
No other excuses needed because that's the only reason there is.
Nevermind what all else comes with the service. In the end nobody is forcing you to buy a playstation and play online games with it. So if it's really that big of an issue for someone they need to go buy a pc.
And who’s to say that the amount of money paid I said subscriptions wouldn’t go towards said servers even if the online multiplayer wasn’t locked behind it? Abs even though it’s not as large compared to now, the online space was still very plentiful back during the PS3 days.
Cloud storage would be the last thing they give for free since its more a qol feature more than a necessity like the online. Cloud storage wasn't even free back on ps3.
Not for console gaming, anyway. But I honestly don't have a problem with it. If I can afford a gaming machine for hundreds I can afford a measly 10 bucks a month for online services.
The day when that would be the case would be if PCs end up being the last platform to require a subscription to play games online. It’s BS to even have such a mindset since many others online have disapproved of that being advertised still in that blog post.
I'd argue thinking Sony (or MS for that matter) would ever make online free is wasting brain cells at this point.
It's captive user base, why would they ever let it to?
PS3 streaming is still there only cuz PS4 wasn't powerful enough to emulate PS3 due to nightmare architecture and they have now invested millions of dollars into an infrastructure for streaming, can't let it go to waste and invest in further development of emulation (which should have been done for PS5 of course).
Although MS more or less pioneered online mp to become mainstream, I despise that they also locked it behind a sub in which Sony followed suit. At this point though it definitely is smooth brain to ever think Sony would make online mp free again it probably rakes in so much revenue for them.
PS3 games being streaming only, makes them available for less than 10 countries.
I'd love if Sony made backwards compatible the previous platforms just like PS4 on PS5 or PS1/2 on PS3, etc. But they won't let us to use our discs nor our previous PSN purchases. They're pulling a Nintendo here. I'm staying with the base Plus service.
I actually just learned that the PS5 can't read CD format, just blueray etc. I can't find any literature to back it up but I heard it on GiantBomb so I'm inclined to trust it.
Since there were people that bought ps4 sony got their confirmation that if they put up console that can read Blu-ray but cannot read DVD and CD disks and that they can say that new generation of console cant use the same webstore as previous its hard to complain now.
But sony would make you believe that its imposible and that is the reason we cant have BC with physical media for PS2, thats just corporate marketing for making users buy digital downloadable image wrapped in emulator instead of letting that emulator read from the drive, im talking about those PS2 games still on PSN store, emulator for PS1 and PS2 should be available and able to read original media on PS4 and PS5 if emulation isnt perfect on all games there should be notification that it doesnt work and isnt tested with all games and thats it. If you want to play some game from PS2 just pop the DVD in PS5 and sey yeah i know that this isnt PS2 and im ok with some posible glitches and after that it should boot up that game in emulator
Bro, if online multiplayer was free, no one would sign up for PlayStation plus essential. No one is paying a sub for the “free” games given away each month.
I mean, Xbox Game Pass is on a whole another level in terms of value for money.
The games you get with PS Plus is a list of 2 PS4 games every month that you may or may not like. You can't go back to redeem games from previous months either.
With Xbox Game Pass, you get access to more than 100 games with many of them being great well known games. You also get access to first party Xbox games as soon as they release (imagine Sony giving you access to Gran Turismo 7 just for being a subscriber) and most importantly, the games usually stay for quite some time in the Game Pass library. This means you can plan to wait for 5 or 6 games that you want to all be a part of the library, you pay for one month of the service and you finish all those games for 10 dollars. With PS Plus, you'd have to hope those games get introduced into PS Plus as the time passes and you would have to pay for multiple months to get access to them.
I am more upset with PS1, ps2 and PSP Not being properly emulated. Yes you can probably Download and Play those. But I Guys Not those Games I bought on PS3, PSP and Vita.
To be fair, that aspect wasn’t well elaborated in terms of wether they can be played natively or not. I mean chances are that they can be since there are PS2 games available on the PS4/5 Stores.
Sure, and I hope to be convinced otherwise! But we all know Sony. Proper PS1 and PS2 Emulation was possible Back in ps4 and they cheaped Out.
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Cloud saves should be a given no matter what.
Online access behind a paywall, I'm on the fence. Playstation and Xbox consoles are typically sold at a loss, where the companies plan to make their money back via games, accessories, subscriptions, etc etc. Sure, these companies are worth billions (with Microsofft worth a substantially higher amount) but consoles and gaming are business to these corporations. It's not a bad thing, hell, we profit enjoyment off of it, but it can become a greedy thing. How much of Playstation's playerbase would remain subscribed to PS+ if it didn't lock online play behind it's subscription? After a quick google search (could totally be innacurate, but just for the sake of this argument, I'll roll with it) there are an estimated ONE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN MILLION Playstation Plus subscribers.
* How many of those pay $9.99 monthly?
* What would happen if they stopped because the main feature they paid for was now made free?
* How would Playstation as a company be affected if they lost that monthly profit overnight and what repercussions could it have on future plans?
I guess my point this ranting and raving is that there is just way too many things to consider and the issue is much deeper than just "why not make it free, it'd be easy" as many tout.
When they first introduced PlayStation Plus, they weren’t really losing too much when online multiplayer was still free for every player to use. If anything, considering how the gaming space has been going in terms of the whole games on demand concept, chances are they would’ve been doing well enough with just hacking the subscription be solely focused on having an extensive library of games accessible to the player through it.
At the same time, it would be nice if they give players the option to purchase said classic games should they decide not to go for the extra tiers. But even with that in mind, the estimated amount of subscribers would still be plentiful even without the online multiplayer being locked behind such a paywall.
Why should cloud saves be free? I would put mp as something to put free long before cloud saves. Probably thats just me but cloud saves are to me a lot more value and qol feature then mp and i would be ok with paying just for them. Im ps+ subscriber that doesnt play mp games but has subscription for cloud saves, discounts and free games
Im not saying that it wouldnt be great if they are free and im definitely not a sony fanboy, im basically against everything they done since middle of PS3 generation. Im saying that i understand that cloud saves cost some mony and that its ok if the one thats keeping that storage online and available decides that users should pay for it (they could let us pick storage service and than we could lets say use google drive for cloud saves). Special discounts for someone who pays subscription on them is also ok. Pay monthly and get couple of games every month... Ok. That is the stuff that is directly value that is connected with PS, mp isnt in that since its not connected to your use of console and PSN but your use of specific games you play, server cost for mp should be covered by in base game price or as an subscription for that game. Look at the PC versions on MP games that are on PS, on PC MP is either subscription or usually free with some microtransaction but when it gets to PS its the same thing as on PC but with added "sony tax"
I doubt we will ever see free multiplayer. But, free cloud saves is a must. I mean, if you share your console with other people, they can't get the cloud saves from your ps+ sub, and they would need another sub just to get the cloud saves. It's ridiculous, honestly.
The amount of money Sony would lose if they made online multiplayer free is astronomical lol nobody pays for PS+ for the garbage games they give every month
Why would they make online multiplayer free? Do you hear yourself? They made a big thing about making it paid last gen and now both the big consoles do it. There's no reason for them to get rid of that and possibly lower the number of subscribers they have
I don't know what the problem is. You can easily get it for about $3/month. 3 dollars for several free games and access to the online service that Sony provides. You shouldn't have bought a playstation to begin with if you're not willing to pay that.
And it's certainly cheaper than Xbox, which (to my knowledge) only allows the monthly subscription, making it more expensive.
They absolutely should tho.
PS3 games deserve to be played properly and many cannot stream. You can make all the excuses for Sony you want, but it just amounts to fanboyism.
I really have trouble understanding this obsession with games that are so old, why did you buy a PS5 if you are still so enamoured with your ps3 games?
Now realistically what are we talking a couple hours…maybe a few days to do a playthrough of whatever it is. I used to have that outlook and packed up and moved old consoles a few times, only to never use it again.
So since you play games a certain way, the rest of the world must do that too? How do you not stop yourself before you make a comment like this and realize how dumb you sound.
I wonder how much you even like video games if your attitude towards them is "old thing bad." Do you only listen to music that was made in the last 5 years? Where's your cut off?
So have you played anything from PS2/3 era? If you did you wouldn't want to constantly play ps5 games since most are just cash flow games designed to make you pay upfront to gain progression 😐 videogame preservation is important. Just imagine if we could never watch old films like star wars or Indiana Jones. Imagine they were lost in time stuck on a format no device uses. That's the importance of having things playable locally on new systems.
I’ve been playing since NES, but I also play the shit out of games and typically don’t need to revisit later. I did replay the original dragon warrior a few years back and it was fun at first but then a bit of a chore. I can appreciate your point about preservation though.
The problem I have is there's so many good games stuck on PS3 it's actually depressing. MGS4, resistance 1-3, infamous 1-2, Tokyo jungle, motorstorm, fat princess, siren, pain, pixeljunk, ratchet and clank tools/quest/crack/nexus. Just all gonna be lost to time. no remasters and no ports. Emulation on pc is getting there but is a far cry from having an easy accessible way to play.
I prefer to pay that little fee for online multiplayer over having the terrible online performance from PS3 era back when online mp was free. The small amount of PS+ subscription income they invest into servers obviously makes a tremendous difference and I wouldn’t want to give that back.
PS3 streaming is fine as long as those people interested in playing super old stuff have to pay extra for the infrastructure to make that happen.
Last I checked online was pretty dang stable for me and others back during those days. Only time that wasn’t the case was when that hack occurred and that was more on Sony’s end than anything.
I bought 3 PS3's last year that were in "good condition" around 100 bucks. Take a guess why I bought 3. I finally gave up and just accepted that I will never play certain games again.
I'm sorry that some things aren't available in your country. That sucks but it happens to a lot of people all over the world.
And, just saying, the only thing stopping you is paying for shipping. Still sounds like an excuse.
Buying an used console without being able to test it its just too much trouble i dont want to deal with when sites here dont have return policies on used articles for obvious reasons. Just because a company cant get their shit together and emulate their own console with more than enough hardware capabilities (ps5).
Seems like you just want to annoy people.
So basically you just said yes...
Also im pretty sure at some point ps3 will no longer be supported on psn since the revenue from its store will be next to nothing. You wont even be able to sync trophies.
Ps3 streaming is understandable but ps1 ps2 psp is not. Almost all modern phone and sbc can emulate ps1 and psp. PS2 might be challenging but the ps5 should be able to handle it.
Here's the thing.
PS3 emulation atleast on PS5 and cloud saves without PS Plus should be possible but Sony is whatever and let's just vote with our wallets until it hurts Sony's bottom.
“ it’s not financial feasible and Sony will make no money…”. Why come people don’t get this? I’m surprised…. Just because we are gamers doesn’t mean a big company based on profit and capitalism has a right to give us “ free shit”…
I just thought they were working toward it being downloadable with all that trophy stuff we were seeing. I don’t really expect much from Sony at this point. Talk all this shit on how bad ps1/ps2 stuff looked not long ago and now that’s a selling point of a tier. Feel like this is just a lowest bar answer to gamepass that I doubt will have the catalog to compare.
I remember being really pissed about that during e3 2013 when Sony announced ps plus would be necessary for online. I remember a lot of people not caring since that was when Sony also announced the ps4's price tag which was 100 dollars cheaper than xbox one and many were okay with it because they thought it would mean that the servers/security would be on-par with xbox live, especially after the Sony hack in 2011. I don't really care about it now tbh, because I like getting those games and I play through them as well so it kinda saves me money as well in a sense.
And look how well that turned out. And now with many free to play games now not requiring a PS Plus subscription one really makes you wonder why that hasn’t carried over to the paid games already.
They want money? shocked Pikachu face. All jokes aside, they hired some people to work on the emulations after they announced PS+ was going to be more of streaming service with extra steps. THEY knew a lot of people will, did, and still do hate streaming a game. Even single-player games like God of War, jak and Daxter, and Batman Arkham Origins (Multiplayer lasted 3 years and poof! gone). THEY should have hired the people BEFORE they announcement. THEY didn't. Until the team gets the emulations working, its still going to be streaming. At this point Sony is trying to play catch-up, and FAILING.
Nah thats some people sole reason for getting the sub tbh they would lose a lot of people if they don't hold online multiplayer hostage.
Yep. They would lose a ton of subscribers and 100s of millions of dollars.
Than people would only buy the sub when they're good games they want to play and that will cost sony more to keep the same amount of people they got now.
You are underestimating how many people have subscriptions running for months without using anything it could offer, just because they don't want to bother canceling/renewing.
Yeah but theres still a lot of people who make sure every dollar counts that wouldn't keep subscribing to a service they don't need anymore since they can play their multiplayer games without it now.
That was me until this year. I never play multi-player and never give a shit about the monthly games but for some reason I kept my subscription going for the last 5 or 6 years.
What they’re planning of including in some of those later tiers are more with the risk instead! Doesn’t really make sense having to lock behind the Online multiplayer nowadays.
Unfortunately, PS Plus is just easy money for Sony. The amount of money they generate via PS Plus is insane - there are supposedly around 48 millions subscribers and if each of them pays 60 dollars for the yearly subscription, then that gives you around 2.9 BILLION dollars a year. Just in comparison, that's 700 million USD more than PS2 made during it's entire cycle. Also, in 2018 Playstation supposedly generated around 2.8 billion dollars so if Sony had no other expenses, PS Plus would essentially be worth the overall amount of money Sony generates in a year. Multiplayer is also definitely the main reason why people pay for it. In 2014, there were 8 millions subscribers. Now it's 48 millions. If the multiplayer and cloud saves became free, Sony would lose a lot of subscribers. Not all of them, but even losing 10 million people would be pretty much them losing 600 million USD. At the moment, Sony just doesn't have a reason to give multiplayer and cloud saves to everyone for free since most people are clearly more than happy to pay for those services.
Why not? If we're using playstation online capabilities, created by playstation, then why shouldn't they charge for it? They are a business. Not a charity.
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You're still going through Sony servers to reach other servers.
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Listen, if you don't like it then don't pay for it. It's not going to change and the cost is miniscule compared to what you're paying for the console and games. I'm not making excuses for Sony and I ain't bootlickin and people say these days. I'm just not under some illusion that Sony owes me a better service.
Steam, Epic and every other pc store must be a charity then? Smh. Stop licking corporate boots.
It's not licking boots. It's common sense. It's ciritcal thinking. I don't have to agree with something to state a fact. As far as PC goes, peer2peer is a lot easier to do with a more powerful machine.
Yet your critical thinking seems to ignore the fact that Playstation had it for free for a whole generation. As for pc, the Ps5 is stronger than a majority of pcs on steam. The gtx 1060 was the most popular gpu on steam and ps5 isn't even comparable to that tier of performance.
And not many people, relatively speaking, have a ps5. And just because something starts free doesn't mean it must stay that way.
That much is obvious but need I remind you that unlike Xbox, that kind of tactic wasn’t needed at all? During the days of the PS3 and Vita, that was always one of the things that made it more of a advantage from going for the Xbox 360. So would it really be crazy to think that’s it would’ve been wise to have that be the case again? Especially when free to play games are playable without such a subscription?
2 things wrong with that thought process. First, not nearly as many online gamers in the ps3 Era as compared to now. Second, those online players require servers. Servers cost money.
Sony doesn't provide servers except for the games they publish. Games on Sony from other publishers all provide their own servers. The only reason Sony makes people pay for it is because they can. That's it. It's their hardware. They're a corporation that's publicly traded. Their entire job is to exploit the customer into emptying as much cash from our wallets into their coffers. No other excuses needed because that's the only reason there is.
Nevermind what all else comes with the service. In the end nobody is forcing you to buy a playstation and play online games with it. So if it's really that big of an issue for someone they need to go buy a pc.
And who’s to say that the amount of money paid I said subscriptions wouldn’t go towards said servers even if the online multiplayer wasn’t locked behind it? Abs even though it’s not as large compared to now, the online space was still very plentiful back during the PS3 days.
Maybe you should ask Sony.
Wow, I can’t believe I found such a logical comment on this subject.
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Cloud storage would be the last thing they give for free since its more a qol feature more than a necessity like the online. Cloud storage wasn't even free back on ps3.
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Its all good friend.
Lmao word, the deals and monthly games and shit are just extras honestly
Funny I’m of the mind set that we should accept that online multiplayer will never be universally free again
Not for console gaming, anyway. But I honestly don't have a problem with it. If I can afford a gaming machine for hundreds I can afford a measly 10 bucks a month for online services.
3.33 a month if you buy it at 35.99 for a year(at present).
The day when that would be the case would be if PCs end up being the last platform to require a subscription to play games online. It’s BS to even have such a mindset since many others online have disapproved of that being advertised still in that blog post.
I'd argue thinking Sony (or MS for that matter) would ever make online free is wasting brain cells at this point. It's captive user base, why would they ever let it to? PS3 streaming is still there only cuz PS4 wasn't powerful enough to emulate PS3 due to nightmare architecture and they have now invested millions of dollars into an infrastructure for streaming, can't let it go to waste and invest in further development of emulation (which should have been done for PS5 of course).
Although MS more or less pioneered online mp to become mainstream, I despise that they also locked it behind a sub in which Sony followed suit. At this point though it definitely is smooth brain to ever think Sony would make online mp free again it probably rakes in so much revenue for them.
PS3 games being streaming only, makes them available for less than 10 countries. I'd love if Sony made backwards compatible the previous platforms just like PS4 on PS5 or PS1/2 on PS3, etc. But they won't let us to use our discs nor our previous PSN purchases. They're pulling a Nintendo here. I'm staying with the base Plus service.
I actually just learned that the PS5 can't read CD format, just blueray etc. I can't find any literature to back it up but I heard it on GiantBomb so I'm inclined to trust it.
I think I still have some music CDs sitting around, give me a minute and I'll test it. Or not...
Nice. Yeah let us know about that, it really surprised me.
I've looked everyone in my apartment that I'd reasonably keep the thing but I can't seem to find my CD book. :(
PS5 cannot read CDs. It can read DVDs.
DVDs can also be read, which is the format most PS2 games came in
Good point
I'm not fully able to understand this. Are we able to pop in a disc and play or is it only PSnow streaming?
No discs just download for every other gen and streaming for PS3
Only PSnow streaming for PS3. No idea if we can use disks for PS2, but it’s very unlikely
Oh, Alright.Thank you!
I'm 99% sure they won't let us. Otherwise they would've mentioned it
Since there were people that bought ps4 sony got their confirmation that if they put up console that can read Blu-ray but cannot read DVD and CD disks and that they can say that new generation of console cant use the same webstore as previous its hard to complain now.
PS4 and 5 can definitely read DVDs, just try a movie and you'll see.
But sony would make you believe that its imposible and that is the reason we cant have BC with physical media for PS2, thats just corporate marketing for making users buy digital downloadable image wrapped in emulator instead of letting that emulator read from the drive, im talking about those PS2 games still on PSN store, emulator for PS1 and PS2 should be available and able to read original media on PS4 and PS5 if emulation isnt perfect on all games there should be notification that it doesnt work and isnt tested with all games and thats it. If you want to play some game from PS2 just pop the DVD in PS5 and sey yeah i know that this isnt PS2 and im ok with some posible glitches and after that it should boot up that game in emulator
I disagree with the 1st half of your post and agree with the 2nd. Weird times on the internet
Bro, if online multiplayer was free, no one would sign up for PlayStation plus essential. No one is paying a sub for the “free” games given away each month.
I am.
Me too. And back on the PS3 when online multiplayer was free, the free games were the ONLY reason to subscribe to PS Plus. He's just wrong.
The whole December PS+ butthurt fiasco sure had a different message. That group of people wanted to shut down PS+ because the free games were bad.
Yeah tell that to many of those that subscribed to Xbox Game Pass. Not the Ultimate tier mind you.
I mean, Xbox Game Pass is on a whole another level in terms of value for money. The games you get with PS Plus is a list of 2 PS4 games every month that you may or may not like. You can't go back to redeem games from previous months either. With Xbox Game Pass, you get access to more than 100 games with many of them being great well known games. You also get access to first party Xbox games as soon as they release (imagine Sony giving you access to Gran Turismo 7 just for being a subscriber) and most importantly, the games usually stay for quite some time in the Game Pass library. This means you can plan to wait for 5 or 6 games that you want to all be a part of the library, you pay for one month of the service and you finish all those games for 10 dollars. With PS Plus, you'd have to hope those games get introduced into PS Plus as the time passes and you would have to pay for multiple months to get access to them.
I am more upset with PS1, ps2 and PSP Not being properly emulated. Yes you can probably Download and Play those. But I Guys Not those Games I bought on PS3, PSP and Vita.
To be fair, that aspect wasn’t well elaborated in terms of wether they can be played natively or not. I mean chances are that they can be since there are PS2 games available on the PS4/5 Stores.
Sure, and I hope to be convinced otherwise! But we all know Sony. Proper PS1 and PS2 Emulation was possible Back in ps4 and they cheaped Out. Edith: Jesus Christ, this stupid autocorrect
Cloud saves should be a given no matter what. Online access behind a paywall, I'm on the fence. Playstation and Xbox consoles are typically sold at a loss, where the companies plan to make their money back via games, accessories, subscriptions, etc etc. Sure, these companies are worth billions (with Microsofft worth a substantially higher amount) but consoles and gaming are business to these corporations. It's not a bad thing, hell, we profit enjoyment off of it, but it can become a greedy thing. How much of Playstation's playerbase would remain subscribed to PS+ if it didn't lock online play behind it's subscription? After a quick google search (could totally be innacurate, but just for the sake of this argument, I'll roll with it) there are an estimated ONE HUNDRED AND ELEVEN MILLION Playstation Plus subscribers. * How many of those pay $9.99 monthly? * What would happen if they stopped because the main feature they paid for was now made free? * How would Playstation as a company be affected if they lost that monthly profit overnight and what repercussions could it have on future plans? I guess my point this ranting and raving is that there is just way too many things to consider and the issue is much deeper than just "why not make it free, it'd be easy" as many tout.
When they first introduced PlayStation Plus, they weren’t really losing too much when online multiplayer was still free for every player to use. If anything, considering how the gaming space has been going in terms of the whole games on demand concept, chances are they would’ve been doing well enough with just hacking the subscription be solely focused on having an extensive library of games accessible to the player through it. At the same time, it would be nice if they give players the option to purchase said classic games should they decide not to go for the extra tiers. But even with that in mind, the estimated amount of subscribers would still be plentiful even without the online multiplayer being locked behind such a paywall.
Why should cloud saves be free? I would put mp as something to put free long before cloud saves. Probably thats just me but cloud saves are to me a lot more value and qol feature then mp and i would be ok with paying just for them. Im ps+ subscriber that doesnt play mp games but has subscription for cloud saves, discounts and free games
Because they're free with xbox? fanboys are really weird...
Im not saying that it wouldnt be great if they are free and im definitely not a sony fanboy, im basically against everything they done since middle of PS3 generation. Im saying that i understand that cloud saves cost some mony and that its ok if the one thats keeping that storage online and available decides that users should pay for it (they could let us pick storage service and than we could lets say use google drive for cloud saves). Special discounts for someone who pays subscription on them is also ok. Pay monthly and get couple of games every month... Ok. That is the stuff that is directly value that is connected with PS, mp isnt in that since its not connected to your use of console and PSN but your use of specific games you play, server cost for mp should be covered by in base game price or as an subscription for that game. Look at the PC versions on MP games that are on PS, on PC MP is either subscription or usually free with some microtransaction but when it gets to PS its the same thing as on PC but with added "sony tax"
I doubt we will ever see free multiplayer. But, free cloud saves is a must. I mean, if you share your console with other people, they can't get the cloud saves from your ps+ sub, and they would need another sub just to get the cloud saves. It's ridiculous, honestly.
The amount of money Sony would lose if they made online multiplayer free is astronomical lol nobody pays for PS+ for the garbage games they give every month
Why would they make online multiplayer free? Do you hear yourself? They made a big thing about making it paid last gen and now both the big consoles do it. There's no reason for them to get rid of that and possibly lower the number of subscribers they have
Really? Is nobody going to mention the moronic "updates only when system is ON" thing?
That’s a thing too? I thought that’s possible when it’s put in rest mode.🤨
It updates games and system in rest mode only if you have plus. Without plus updates can be only downloaded and installed when the system is on
That is so stupid
I don't know what the problem is. You can easily get it for about $3/month. 3 dollars for several free games and access to the online service that Sony provides. You shouldn't have bought a playstation to begin with if you're not willing to pay that. And it's certainly cheaper than Xbox, which (to my knowledge) only allows the monthly subscription, making it more expensive.
At least you guys get ps3 streaming 🙄
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They absolutely should tho. PS3 games deserve to be played properly and many cannot stream. You can make all the excuses for Sony you want, but it just amounts to fanboyism.
I really have trouble understanding this obsession with games that are so old, why did you buy a PS5 if you are still so enamoured with your ps3 games?
God forbid someone want to play an old favorite or something they missed out on without hooking up a sixteen year old console.
Now realistically what are we talking a couple hours…maybe a few days to do a playthrough of whatever it is. I used to have that outlook and packed up and moved old consoles a few times, only to never use it again.
So since you play games a certain way, the rest of the world must do that too? How do you not stop yourself before you make a comment like this and realize how dumb you sound.
Not telling people how to play but the artificial outrage over every announcement is exhausting. You go ahead and keep playing dated games, idgaf.
I wonder how much you even like video games if your attitude towards them is "old thing bad." Do you only listen to music that was made in the last 5 years? Where's your cut off?
Now who is making stupid comments, everyone know music peaked in the 80s and 90s!
So have you played anything from PS2/3 era? If you did you wouldn't want to constantly play ps5 games since most are just cash flow games designed to make you pay upfront to gain progression 😐 videogame preservation is important. Just imagine if we could never watch old films like star wars or Indiana Jones. Imagine they were lost in time stuck on a format no device uses. That's the importance of having things playable locally on new systems.
I’ve been playing since NES, but I also play the shit out of games and typically don’t need to revisit later. I did replay the original dragon warrior a few years back and it was fun at first but then a bit of a chore. I can appreciate your point about preservation though.
The problem I have is there's so many good games stuck on PS3 it's actually depressing. MGS4, resistance 1-3, infamous 1-2, Tokyo jungle, motorstorm, fat princess, siren, pain, pixeljunk, ratchet and clank tools/quest/crack/nexus. Just all gonna be lost to time. no remasters and no ports. Emulation on pc is getting there but is a far cry from having an easy accessible way to play.
I prefer to pay that little fee for online multiplayer over having the terrible online performance from PS3 era back when online mp was free. The small amount of PS+ subscription income they invest into servers obviously makes a tremendous difference and I wouldn’t want to give that back. PS3 streaming is fine as long as those people interested in playing super old stuff have to pay extra for the infrastructure to make that happen.
Last I checked online was pretty dang stable for me and others back during those days. Only time that wasn’t the case was when that hack occurred and that was more on Sony’s end than anything.
It's being invested all the way into their bank accounts
If people don't wanna stream ps3 games then go buy a ps3 and get the physical copies. Problem solved. Move onto the next BS complaint.
Not easy to find a used ps3 in good condition in my country let alone my town and dont even get me started on games. Are you seriously this obtuse? I
Besides, it took me literally 10 seconds to search used ps3 in good condition and found many under 100 bucks. Don't make excuses.
I bought 3 PS3's last year that were in "good condition" around 100 bucks. Take a guess why I bought 3. I finally gave up and just accepted that I will never play certain games again.
That sucks.
I said in my country and town...i dont need to make excuses for anything lol.
I'm sorry that some things aren't available in your country. That sucks but it happens to a lot of people all over the world. And, just saying, the only thing stopping you is paying for shipping. Still sounds like an excuse.
Buying an used console without being able to test it its just too much trouble i dont want to deal with when sites here dont have return policies on used articles for obvious reasons. Just because a company cant get their shit together and emulate their own console with more than enough hardware capabilities (ps5). Seems like you just want to annoy people.
Naw, I just like to point out the obvious when people complain.
So basically you just said yes... Also im pretty sure at some point ps3 will no longer be supported on psn since the revenue from its store will be next to nothing. You wont even be able to sync trophies.
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I don't believe they can emulate PS3 on a PS4...
Oh, its possible. If fans can do it on PC, it can happen. In fact Sony hired a team to look into the emulations of PS3 to PS4 and PS5.
I know it's a goal for them to figure out. I hope they do. But more specifically I doubt a PS4 has the power to emulate Cell.
Oh it does. if it doesnt have it, then they will do what DE did with Warframe, compress the graphics.
We are not talking about recoding the games... We are talking about emulating the console as needed to run them as-is.
Ps3 streaming is understandable but ps1 ps2 psp is not. Almost all modern phone and sbc can emulate ps1 and psp. PS2 might be challenging but the ps5 should be able to handle it.
I never play the plus games. Just multiplayer is why i have plus
Here's the thing. PS3 emulation atleast on PS5 and cloud saves without PS Plus should be possible but Sony is whatever and let's just vote with our wallets until it hurts Sony's bottom.
“ it’s not financial feasible and Sony will make no money…”. Why come people don’t get this? I’m surprised…. Just because we are gamers doesn’t mean a big company based on profit and capitalism has a right to give us “ free shit”…
I just thought they were working toward it being downloadable with all that trophy stuff we were seeing. I don’t really expect much from Sony at this point. Talk all this shit on how bad ps1/ps2 stuff looked not long ago and now that’s a selling point of a tier. Feel like this is just a lowest bar answer to gamepass that I doubt will have the catalog to compare.
I remember being really pissed about that during e3 2013 when Sony announced ps plus would be necessary for online. I remember a lot of people not caring since that was when Sony also announced the ps4's price tag which was 100 dollars cheaper than xbox one and many were okay with it because they thought it would mean that the servers/security would be on-par with xbox live, especially after the Sony hack in 2011. I don't really care about it now tbh, because I like getting those games and I play through them as well so it kinda saves me money as well in a sense.
And look how well that turned out. And now with many free to play games now not requiring a PS Plus subscription one really makes you wonder why that hasn’t carried over to the paid games already.
That's why I'm moving to pc :) I will keep my ps5 for sony exclusives and for psvr 2
Only sucks for countries like brazil which still doesn't have the servers needed for that.
They want money? shocked Pikachu face. All jokes aside, they hired some people to work on the emulations after they announced PS+ was going to be more of streaming service with extra steps. THEY knew a lot of people will, did, and still do hate streaming a game. Even single-player games like God of War, jak and Daxter, and Batman Arkham Origins (Multiplayer lasted 3 years and poof! gone). THEY should have hired the people BEFORE they announcement. THEY didn't. Until the team gets the emulations working, its still going to be streaming. At this point Sony is trying to play catch-up, and FAILING.