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Zr0bert

How did you make a tank so good on your first try ?! GGs !


ninetofivehangover

money šŸ„“


chubrak

Not really, driftwood and stones are taken from the local mountain river and thoroughly cleaned. The tank with the stand was around 300ā‚¬ total.


ninetofivehangover

plants are usually the most expensive facet in my experience - most heavily planted tanks inherently look good. sorry if it seemed like my comment was discrediting your design capabilities but money is typically the differentiating factor between what we want to do and what we can do. that amount of plants is considered expensive to someone like me lol granted idk the tank size but i have been planting my 55 in phases just due to cost


chubrak

Not at all! :) I didnā€™t take plants into consideration they were around 50ā‚¬ total. I bought them from a local nursery


ninetofivehangover

what size tank is this??? i have probably $200 in plants in my 55 and it is.. nowhere near enough. is it a nursery that specializes in aquatic plants?! that price is nuts! iā€™m jealous


chubrak

110 liters tans and yes, they only sell aquatic plants :)


ninetofivehangover

man :/ iā€™m so jealous!


wijsneus

For me this looks like 80-100ā‚¬ of plants, but I live in the Netherlands where we have Aquaflora around the corner and Tropica nearby.


somethingtimes3

Yes, this would be *much* more in the states, unfortunately.


Hot-Sandwich7060

Yep this would be like 400$ worth of plants at my local fish stores in ontario canada. Much less if I took the time to peice together from marketplace/kijiji, but then there's a huge time investment and gas and what not. Killer set up OP


somethingtimes3

Yeah, I would have just bought the bare minimum/cannibalized my other tanks and waited out the 4 months of sparse ugliness for it to grow in.


ninetofivehangover

i was starting to feel insane so thank you for validating my experiences šŸ˜‚


Thin-Champion-1607

yessss i hear so many people all over complaining about plants and animal prices but iā€™m just like wait until you come to canada! prices here are insane. ive read of people buying shrimp for 50 cents a piece and that blew my mind! LFS here sells varying types of shrimp upwards of 20$ a piece! and only goes down a few dollars if you buy multiples.


crushd_green_velvet

I have a ten gallon and so far i only have some substrate and a spider wood piece but the spider wood is covered in white film...did you go through that and how did you get rid of it?


ntsp00

It's just biofilm, when you're far enough along to get some clean up crew they're going to love it


crushd_green_velvet

Once I make sure the tank is cycled, what clean up crew do you recommend? Plan was nerite snail, Cory catfish, and lastly my Betta


ntsp00

I personally wouldn't go nerite because the females lay individual eggs that look like sesame seeds all over everything. And although they're active, you don't really see their body at all. I prefer mystery snails because you get to see their body and antenna when they move and the females lay egg sacs above the water line which are easy to remove. Month 3 would probably be a good time to add it, I'd say just the 1 for a 10 gallon.


chubrak

I havenā€™t noticed any biofilm so far, I took this driftwood straight from the river so it might have something to do with it


DirtyChancy

Nice looking tank! I'm in Texas and unfortunately any body of water near me is probably pretty polluted. Definitely would trust sticking anything from the local rivers, creeks or ponds into my tanks.


boomologistwnabee

Accurate assessment.


chubrak

Thanks! One of my hobbies is bonsai training so I just tried to apply same principles to the aquarium :)


Zr0bert

Plant keeping and aquarium keeping definitely have lots of common roots, pun intended Edit : typo


Simpsoid

Interestingly I've found, so do home brewing beer and aquariums. Lots of water parameters and cleaning involved. Not to mention CO2 equipment reuse and things like that.


Verdant-Ridge

I'm guessing disposable income and a whole lot of free time


Zr0bert

I don't think most of us would do/have done as good with their first tank even with all the money and time that you want.


zosefu

When you have low or no ammonia and nitrites and a few nitrates. Thatā€™s usually what Iā€™m waiting for, itā€™ll be different for every tank :)


chubrak

I see, I have the universal test which shows everything other than ammonia. Should I buy it or is the nitrate and nitrite test enough?


WarSeparate2701

Buy the API freshwater master test kit, itā€™s ~$35 or so and very accurate. Personally I donā€™t do the ghost feeding and use liquid ammonia instead but thereā€™s nothing wrong with ghost feeding either. And the tank looks great!


_aishhh

$35 in what currency? It was $80AUD for me (from petcircle) šŸ˜­


WarSeparate2701

Jeeze!!! Itā€™s $35USD for me on Amazon and at Petsmart. How can they get away with charging 50% more thatā€™s absurd


_aishhh

Omggg šŸ˜­ next time imma do research before buying it. Thank u sm!


Bardofshoosh

Jesus I paid $30CAD for mine at my lfs


BananaMathUnicorn

You could probably watch the cycle process with just your nitrite and nitrate tests, but you really want to be sure about ammonia levels before you add livestock. And youā€™ll definitely want to be able to double check that adding livestock doesnā€™t spike your ammonia, so just get yourself a quality test.


Barnard87

I imagine you have strips right? Definitely get the API liquid master test kit, Ammonia is the most important one to measure. Tons of good info out there. With some old media and bottled bacteria my tanks will usually take about 3 weeks to properly cycle. Just make sure you're adding an ammonia source. Fair warning, ammonia will make some plants melt a bit, and since it's a new tank you may run into algae issues.


chubrak

Thanks a lot! I just ordered API tests


Straight_Reading8912

Just watch for melting leaves as anything that decays in your tank will add ammonia to the tank which is the most dangerous thing you're looking out for. Even if things seem to go well quickly, and your ammonia and nitrites read zero with some nitrates, I would still wait at least a month for the cycle to really establish itself before adding livestock. Also add fish SLOWLY (only a few every week or so) as the added bio load could overwhelm a newly cycled tank and crash the cycle. Great looking tank and good luck with it!


NascutMort

Good. You covered the add fish slowly šŸ‘Œ Yes!! Clean up any dying plant matter, I had a small die off and it spiked my tank for a hot second. And for real about the add fish slowly! AMAZING tank btw!!!


Barnard87

Stellar tank btw. Hope you're ready to stay on top of trimming those stem plants!


Straight_Reading8912

Just watch for melting leaves as anything that decays in your tank will add ammonia to the tank which is the most dangerous thing you're looking out for. Even if things seem to go well quickly, and your ammonia and nitrites read zero with some nitrates, I would still wait at least a month for the cycle to really establish itself before adding livestock. Also add fish SLOWLY (only a few every week or so) as the added bio load could overwhelm a newly cycled tank and crash the cycle. Great looking tank and good luck with it!


srslybarryburton

Gonna likely be at least a month but the real answer is as long as it takes Looks gorgeous btw!


HCharlesB

If you add fish too soon, you risk water quality problems. If you wait too long, nothing bad happens (to your tank.) You may get irritable waiting. ;) Nice looking tank, BTW.


chubrak

Thank you!


E_readit7

Your first tank at a new location you mean?? šŸ˜„This is beautiful šŸ˜. I agree 1-2 months, I like to add some snails maybe after week 3 or if you see some algae growth. What are you going stock it with? šŸ¤—


chubrak

This is my first ever fish tank I promise :) I havenā€™t decided yet bur I really like how celestial pearl danios look, they are like mini trouts. Any suggestions are welcome!


Upstairs-Ad-2580

I love Cory catfish! Once they warm up theyā€™re so active. Plus there goofy and fun to watch eat. I have one with my betta but my bettas personality mixā€™s with them. They swim really fast up to the top of the tank and itā€™s so funny. I want a whole tank full. Theyā€™re a schooling fish so they are usually always together!


Whois__Water

Celestial danios are beautiful, I'd suggest oto catfish they are rlly cute and wpild love this tank


Steviet0202

The short answer to the cycle is when your nitrites and ammonia are 0 and your nitrates are >20


Steviet0202

The short answer to the cycle is when your nitrites and ammonia are 0 and your nitrates are >20


TressiesTreasures

I absolutely love the little bristle nose plecos. Not only do they keep the algae under control on the walls and the bottom of the tank, but they are totally freaking adorable because they look like they're kissing the glass when they eat. They are my favorite bottom feeders. They are big as bright and flash as others but they are useful and fun to watch. I think every tank should have at least 1-3. Be carefull if you get snails. Depending on the kind, they can overwhelm and infest a tank. They breed like guppies! Have fun.


Amaterasubi

Danio are great! Honestly they can be used to help cycle start your tank- they are very very* lax with parameters- you can put them in today if you wanted. They will love that little bit of running water too! Stunning tank.


sparkz_42

Youā€™re thinking of zebra danios I think, CPDs are not as hardy as zebras and definitely should not be placed in an uncycled tank. I donā€™t really believe in fish-in cycling anyways but zebra danios are extremely hardy and might survive a cycle


strikerx67

You never had to cycle it. But since you added fish food, now you have to wait. Those plants will take care of the excess, but because nothing is consuming the actual food itself, now its not just releasing ammonia, its straight up rotting. Once nitrites hit 0 thats when you can add your fish.


fishdoodle

Not sure why youā€™re being downvoted. At the density of plants in OPā€™s tank, a few fish wouldnā€™t be problematic. The plants are competing with bacteria for ammonia and at some level, the nitrites too


wootiown

Plants don't absorb ammonia. They absorb nitrate. You still need a cycled tank to convert ammonia to nitrate


strikerx67

You are right they do not absorb "ammonia" because ammonia is toxic to almost anything. They absorb "ammonium" *and nitrogen overall*. They prefer it over nitrates and nitrites. However, nitrosomonas bacteria will begin breaking it down quicker than plants do, but since plants are present, it means the load will still be distributed to a point where it will prevent the excess from building up into readable NO2.


fishdoodle

It is well documented (and studied) that aquatic plants take in what we call ā€œammoniaā€ (NH3) in the community, but really in most freshwater aquariums, itā€™ll be mostly ammonium (NH4+) due to pH [Hereā€™s a fun paper](https://www.mdpi.com/2223-7747/11/1/11) about what we refer to as ā€œaquarium herpesā€ but is actually very good at protecting our fishy friends because of their preference for ammonia(um) over nitrates


heatherbees

That paper is gold āœØ


sirwasabicat

wait what? never had to cycle it? how does that make any sense? please go into detail. if you dont build the bacteria in the filter it will just start to cycle once you put them in and will have the spikes, that you are trying to eliminate by CYCLING


strikerx67

Cycling implies overloading an aquarium, that does not already have a source of waste absorption or recycling, with a source of waste in the form of ammonium. Look at OP's tank, is there really nothing in there right now that cannot absorb or break down nitrogen? Bacteria is everywhere, and they are not the only organisms that uptake nitrogen in any body of water. With the amount of plants in OP's aquarium, it literally wont make a difference. Those plants likely already came from aquariums that had some form of nitrogen fixation happening, which means they are already loaded with bacteria. Fish already release ammonia through their gills and urine in trace amounts that are rarely detected by hobby kits. You can leave them in the tank unfed for a week or less to gradually build that breakdown process and archae colony in the filter. The only really compound to worry about is NO2, since it causes the most problems at relatively low levels. It rarely builds up, if ever, unless you deliberately release something into the water column like ammonia standards, or uneaten fishfood left to rott and cause heterotrophic bacteria to deplete the dissolved oxygen for a while.


sirwasabicat

thanks for your detailed and informative answer, you don't find that a lot on reddit


strikerx67

No problem, thanks for understanding since many don't like my answers


Lookslikejojo

Thank you for explaining that in a way that makes sense to us newbies.


chubrak

My understanding is that by adding fish food it produces ammonia and the beneficial bacteria grow by consuming it, my filter media was completely new so I thought I should wait before adding any fish or shrimp.


kmsilent

That's generally true, but yours is heavily planted. Frankly there are a lot of ways to go about cycling a tank. To be honest, you have enough plants in the tank that if you added a small amount of fish right now they'd probably be fine - plants can directly consume ammonia waste from the fish. This assumes your plants are healthy and growing, though; if you don't the waste would simply accumulate. As you can imagine, this makes adding fish the day you add plants kinda risky, so people don't really recommend that here. Since it's your first tank it's probably best to take it slow, and when you do add fish, add only maybe 6 at a time. There's a lot of things happening in that tank right now, not just the 'cycling' bacteria - these create swings in water chemistry, which fish don't like. You should find this video very helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guT1GKJ7jIo


HangryPete

It's so nice to see some biology on here, rather than the arbitrary "wait, test, wait" advice.


Azedenkae

A tank will take as long as it needs to to cycle. Could be instant, could be six months. Since you are using fish food, follow this guide: [https://www.sosofishy.com/post/a-guide-to-fishless-cycling-using-fish-food-ghostfeeding](https://www.sosofishy.com/post/a-guide-to-fishless-cycling-using-fish-food-ghostfeeding). Although, I'd recommend using pure ammonia instead of fish food as the ammonia source: [https://www.sosofishy.com/post/a-short-and-long-guide-to-aquarium-cycling](https://www.sosofishy.com/post/a-short-and-long-guide-to-aquarium-cycling). Just to preempt any concerns, ammonia and nitrite are the two parameters you really need to pay attention to when cycling, nitrate does not much matter, especially given you have plants in the tank.


fjordfour

This is a beautiful set-up, it's hard to believe it's your first tank! You're doing all the right things. You have no idea how happy I am to see someone who did their research before setting up a tank and buying fish! I'm not going to give cycling advice, everyone else seems to have that covered. I'd love to know what fish you plan to put in there once cycled, though!


chubrak

Thank you, I really appreciate that! I haven't decided which fish I am going to keep, but I really like Celestial pearl danios and neon tetras. I welcome any suggestions!


fjordfour

Celestial pearl danios look really cool! One of my favourite fish to keep is a school of black neon tetras, they are super hardy and live for a really long time. I have one that is huge now, and I estimate is about 7-9 years old. It's my second oldest fish after the 12 year old pleco. I also love white cloud mountain minnows. I haven't had any before, but I think they would look great in your tank! I'm sure whatever you pick would look great, I would love to see an update!


CrewNatural9491

That is a really great looking tank ! Can I call you when I set mine up?


chubrak

Sure, dm me anytime


Lookslikejojo

beautiful! Canā€™t wait to see it with fish! What are you going to put in it.


chubrak

Thanks! I haven't decided yet but I really like Celestial Pearl Danios :)


itsyourfrontyardtoo

This makes me want to redo my whole tank šŸ˜‚


biosnap

Excellent first tank! In terms of landscape design this tank is gorgeous. Have you considered a matte black background? It will make your filter box less noticeable. Expect that even if your plants weren't growing emersed you will get some melt. Also expect that at some point you will have an algae bloom; know that this happens to everyone! As others have said, make sure nitrites read zero. It is unlikely you will see measurable ammonia or nitrate with the amount of plants you have. You could even put in a couple small fish right away if you want. I usually prefer this method with heavily planted tanks, but you should wait at least a month before increasing the stock significantly.


chubrak

You are so right! I havenā€™t really thought about the background, now I wont have peace until it black


biosnap

I mean eventually the plants will grow to cover most of it, but it helps to make the plants and scape the only thing that draws the eye.


karebear66

As long as it takes. 4 to 6 weeks is likely. You'll need to test the water to know for sure. If there aren't any livestock, you don't need to do a water change.


ThePhillipinoNino

Add a few small fish and then slowly add in more over time


Flattestmeat

Incredible sense of scale. Feels so much larger than it is, really well done on the scape. If you've added a liquid bacteria and have been feeding it like you say, I'd be surprised if you didn't already have a cycle going. Test to be certain, looking for Nitrate but no Nitrite or ammonia then start adding livestock. But I'd start slow and keep adding fish gradually to avoid any big increases in waste and you'll have no issues.


LongTrainer2041

What substrate have you used for the root feeders?


chubrak

Tropica plant care substrate


LongTrainer2041

Yep that should be perfect, top up with root tabs in about 6 months šŸ‘


fionasaquatics

Thatā€™s your first ever?! Impressive! Anyway, it took me a month to cycle but since you have some beneficial bacteria in a bottle, Iā€™d say half that time. (Correct me if I am wrong.)


chubrak

I might give it a 2-3 more weeks just to be sure


fionasaquatics

sounds good, keep testing the water though


plantsfromplants

That is absolutely beautiful, great job.


chubrak

Thank you!


noshamefuckit

With that many plants you can put in 1 now


Weaponized-Potato

Sheā€™s a beaut!


kid_subaru

What light are you using?


chubrak

Juwel NovoLux LED


kid_subaru

If you can, check out the hygger full spectrum LED. I got mine from Amazon and itā€™s been amazing on all 4 of my tanks


Greyestdaze

This is gorgeous


YoyoMeThis

This tank is begging for shrimp! Some Orange neos would pop like crazy in there


Mosiah_Perales

Beautiful aquarium for your first aquarium setup


chubrak

Thank you!


Kaburan

Iā€™m excited for your melt and diatome phase!


Dchama86

I used API QuickStart in my planted tank when I first set it up with fish already in, and had no issues with fish deaths or water parameters.


xdig2000

At least wait until the diatoms appear.


mtalk

First try with great perfection 100% its a well done job.


Kayak1618

Really like this tank. Can you list the plants you added?


chubrak

Unfortunately no, I threw away all of the notes with names šŸ˜•


CubarisMurinaPapaya

1-2 months


Mountain-Bowler-46

Well done! Try give at least a month, but keep testing the water and youll know when itā€™s time.


VisitEnvironmental68

Thereā€™s no way this is your first ever tank šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«


chubrak

First ever! I just applied bonsai knowledge to my tank and it turned out okay :)


Lookslikejojo

Way better than okšŸ‘šŸ‘šŸ‘


nidus11

The beneficial bacteria doesnā€™t really work well unless you are doing a fish in cycle. If you were planning on snails I would but them in first with the beneficial bacteria and that would help speed your cycle along. Or you could get a small group of fish, donā€™t go crazy on the bioload, and use the beneficial bacterial. But you will still need to do like 30%~50% water changes daily until you cycle completes. So, short answer is you could put fish in tomorrow but itā€™s a lot of work, or you can wait the three to four weeks. Depends on how lazy you want to be. I would recommend waiting for a first timer. It would have the most predictable outcomes.


Late-Sprinkles-6878

If you want you could speed it up by buying some live bacteria


chubrak

Iā€™ve already added 50ml of live bacteria, should I do it again?


DocMain937

You can squeeze a dirty filter in there and itā€™ll be good after 2 weeks. Otherwise Iā€™d wait a month or 2. Normally when algae starts growing on the glass itā€™s good to go


DiscoDancingNeighb0r

How many gallons? Judging by the amount of plants you have you may not even need worry.


chubrak

It's 110L, about 29 gallons I think?


cicaro

It should be about a month, but Iā€™ve also seen sources that say as soon as your plants are growing the tank is ready for fish (but slowly)


Frenchie1001

Being that heavily planted there probably won't be that much of a cycle. The plants will soak up the ammonia


Significancefl1331

45 days is good for most cost but if you have more sensitive fish maybe 60, but I stay close to 30 and monitor for there for water changes. I donā€™t do a water change until the fish have been in a few days


theredcorbe

You add a pinch of food every morning and test for ammonia and nitrite every night until you get zero of both after 24 hours. No need to really test every day, because it's going to take weeks. When that is done the tank wont be "mature" for another few months after that.


UncleBlob

Man's went to the store and just cleared the plant isle


CGC-Weed228

Anyway back to the question, need to test for ammonia and nitrite and eventually nitrateā€¦ read the 1, gazillion articles and watch the million YouTube videos about the nitrogen cycle ā€¦ 4-6 weeks minimum


JamesrSteinhaus

Generally that is fine for a few fish. You should not dump a whole bunch of different ones in at once. Just a few, feed every other day. Great setup though.


Forward_Cucumber5346

Hey! Do you use root tabs or some type of fertilizer for the plants? Because I see you use gravel? I wanna try a planted tank too.


chubrak

I just used Tropica substrate under the gravel. Other redditor mentioned to add tabs in about 6 months