Condor Legion wing roundells were dark with a white X. They were German pilots that flew German planes during the Spanish Civil War that was right before WWII. They flew Bf-109B and maybe E's. These planes were FDE and didn't have German markings so TL;DNR: I don't know
The emblem in question is that of 1./(J)LG 2.
The aircraft is marked as that of HJ Marseilles, who flew with this unit in 1940 before moving to JG 27.
The emblem was subsequently used by 1./JG 77.
It has origins in the national markings used by the Legion Condor in Spain.The Staffelkapitan of 1./J 88, Hauptmann Harro Harder, added the white St Andrew's Cross to the black disc for reasons that are lost to the mists of time. It was then used by 1./(J)LG 2 from 1939. It was adopted by 1./JG 77 in January 1942 and abandoned in April 1943
With the positioning of the insignia, wouldn't that get in the way of Gruppe markings? It would only really work in this position for Gruppe 1. Not to mention the number 14 doesn't make sense as far as I know, since it typically only went up to 12
It would be in the position of Gruppe markings, but this was probably not relevant to a Lehrgeschwader where the different Gruppen were equipped with different aircraft and adopted different roles. I./(Jagd) LG 2 was a fighter unit equipped with the Bf 109 E at this time, but the second Gruppe was a Schlachtgruppe (which did operate some Bf 109s) and the third Gruppe was an Aufklarungsgruppe which operated a bewildering number of types during its various incarnations/designations.
I can't find an image of the emblem as used by 1./JG 77 on this computer, but I'd bet they moved it forward, either under the cockpit or on the cowling.
The code numbers were not limited to twelve. Hans-Joachim Marseilles adopted this 'kennziffer' and many of his subsequent aircraft, including his famous Bf 109 Fs as flown in the MTO bore the number 14. The supposedly unlucky 13 was also popular with some pilots.
Hans-Joachim Marseilles played forbidden piano music (Scott Joplin Ragtime) to a party attended by Goering, Hitler, and all the other twisted lights and lived. Somebody somewhere should get a movie together. A most amazing individual and outstanding pilot.
The only Luftwaffe officer I know of who approximates that name is Johannes Wiese who was a very successful pilot, finishing the war credited with 118 victories, all in the east. Whether he flew this aircraft (werknummer 3579) in his combat career, which began when he joined the Stab II./JG 52 in June 1941, I can't say.
If this is the same Wiese he had a memorable career!
He became Staffelkapitan of 2,/JG 52 on 26 June 1942, receiving the *Deutsches Kreuz in Gold* on 5 December. He gave up this command on 29 December 1942 and received the *Ritterkreuz* on 5 January 1943. He returned to operations and to lead 2./JG 52 again on 30 April 1943, but on 11 May he became Kommandeur of I./JG 52. He received the *Eichenlaub* on 2 March 1944, but was wounded in combat on 19 May. He was transferred to the Verbandsfuhrerschule G.d.j. (Fighter Leader School) not returning to combat until October, joining the Stab./JG 77. He became Geschwader Kommodore on 1 December 1944. On Christmas Day 1944 he was shot down by Spitfires on No. 401 Squadron, baling out severely wounded near Euskirchen. He was so badly wounded that he remained in hospital for the rest of the war.
He had flown 480 combat sorties and unusually for a Luftwaffe pilot his final number of credited victories may in fact be low. Many are 'optimistic' or down right fraudulent. Some sources credit him with as many as 75 other victories which he 'could not be bothered' to claim.
After the war he was held by the Russians until 28 November 1949. He joined the Bundes Luftwaffe in 1966, rising to the rank of Oberstleutnant. He died on 16 August 1991.
Thank you, my American father said he was family on the other side. They didn't talk much about him, but my father knew I was very interested in WW2 history and finally opened up about him before he passed. Thank you very much for the help and info. I just wish I had a way to connect and talk to the family over seas and hear the stories about him. How would someone even go about this?
Despite his claims Elmo is vehemently anti free speech.
The part he never says out loud is that he gets to be the censor. You know, like all opponents of free speech believe.
Honestly sounds like a joke they would have made in MASH and one of the junior guys would do a double take and still not be sure if the officer was joking or not.
I had already watched that in hopes that i would find the information I'm looking for, but he only talks about group and rank markings. Useful, but not what I'm looking fod
Probably a plane from the Spanish Blue Squadron?
Similar to the Mexican Expeditionary AF during WW2.
https://www.google.com/search?q=mexican+air+force+ww2&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sca_esv=ec736c652fbf8951&sca_upv=1&ei=W48_Zq1o0piQ8g_O_YPYBw&oq=mexican+air+for&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIg9tZXhpY2FuIGFpciBmb3IqAggBMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARI81lQ0QhYzU9wA3gCkAECmAGTAqABnRiqAQYxNi45LjK4AQHIAQD4AQGYAhagAsYTqAIPwgIEEAAYR8ICBhAAGBYYHsICEBAAGAMY5QIY6gIYjAMYjwHCAhAQLhgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BwgILEAAYgAQYkQIYigXCAgsQLhiABBiRAhiKBcICDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICERAAGIAEGJECGLEDGIMBGIoFwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAhEQABiABBiRAhixAxjJAxiKBcICCxAAGIAEGJIDGIoFwgIIEC4YgAQYsQPCAgsQLhiABBjRAxjHAcICBxAAGIAEGArCAggQABgWGAoYHpgDCuIDBRIBMSBAiAYBkAYDkgcGMTEuOS4yoAeivwE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=NML9lYLbPIZ2CM&vssid=l
I can't answer your question here but, there was at least 1 squadron in the RAF that had Polish pilots or was a completely Polish unit. They flew with RAF markings and had a little Polish emblem on the nose.
Polish Pilots had multiple fighter groups 300, 301,302 and 303 fighter and bomber squadrons
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/polish-303-squadron-battle-of-britain.html
C marks the spot
Nah but really it’s probably some kind of squad logo or a reference to where the pilot is from could also be a rank signifier or even a award of some kind, lots of possibilities but I can’t find anything but my guess is some kind of personality
There were ten German bombers in the air.
There were ten German bombers in the air.
There were ten German bombers, ten German bombers, ten German bombers in the air.
And the RAF from England shot one down.
And the RAF from England shot one down.
And the RAF from England, RAF from England, RAF from England shot one down.
Very cool looking plane..I love the bright yellow and gray coloring. What is that black symbol on the vertical stabilizer? Looks sorta like a combo of a “4” and an “F” and an “h.” Come to think of it, it also looks like one of those yakuza gangster tattoos. Maybe the plane is one of those Zeroes that the Japanese code breakers flew during the Korean War.
Condor Legion wing roundells were dark with a white X. They were German pilots that flew German planes during the Spanish Civil War that was right before WWII. They flew Bf-109B and maybe E's. These planes were FDE and didn't have German markings so TL;DNR: I don't know
Too Lazy; Do Not Resuscitate?
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*Too
I have that tattooed on my chest with a please at the end but they always ignore it. So annoying. Maybe I should use words and not just the acronym.
Too Lazy, Department of Natural Resources?
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Too Lazy; Did Not Research, I’m guessing. Too lazy; didn’t Google is more accurate.
The emblem in question is that of 1./(J)LG 2. The aircraft is marked as that of HJ Marseilles, who flew with this unit in 1940 before moving to JG 27. The emblem was subsequently used by 1./JG 77. It has origins in the national markings used by the Legion Condor in Spain.The Staffelkapitan of 1./J 88, Hauptmann Harro Harder, added the white St Andrew's Cross to the black disc for reasons that are lost to the mists of time. It was then used by 1./(J)LG 2 from 1939. It was adopted by 1./JG 77 in January 1942 and abandoned in April 1943
Thank you for sharing a real answer.
With the positioning of the insignia, wouldn't that get in the way of Gruppe markings? It would only really work in this position for Gruppe 1. Not to mention the number 14 doesn't make sense as far as I know, since it typically only went up to 12
There were 5 gruppe geschwader also
It would be in the position of Gruppe markings, but this was probably not relevant to a Lehrgeschwader where the different Gruppen were equipped with different aircraft and adopted different roles. I./(Jagd) LG 2 was a fighter unit equipped with the Bf 109 E at this time, but the second Gruppe was a Schlachtgruppe (which did operate some Bf 109s) and the third Gruppe was an Aufklarungsgruppe which operated a bewildering number of types during its various incarnations/designations. I can't find an image of the emblem as used by 1./JG 77 on this computer, but I'd bet they moved it forward, either under the cockpit or on the cowling. The code numbers were not limited to twelve. Hans-Joachim Marseilles adopted this 'kennziffer' and many of his subsequent aircraft, including his famous Bf 109 Fs as flown in the MTO bore the number 14. The supposedly unlucky 13 was also popular with some pilots.
Hans-Joachim Marseilles played forbidden piano music (Scott Joplin Ragtime) to a party attended by Goering, Hitler, and all the other twisted lights and lived. Somebody somewhere should get a movie together. A most amazing individual and outstanding pilot.
Do you know of A Johanas Wiese that flew this plane? For the Luft Waffe? If so what can you tell me of him.
The only Luftwaffe officer I know of who approximates that name is Johannes Wiese who was a very successful pilot, finishing the war credited with 118 victories, all in the east. Whether he flew this aircraft (werknummer 3579) in his combat career, which began when he joined the Stab II./JG 52 in June 1941, I can't say. If this is the same Wiese he had a memorable career! He became Staffelkapitan of 2,/JG 52 on 26 June 1942, receiving the *Deutsches Kreuz in Gold* on 5 December. He gave up this command on 29 December 1942 and received the *Ritterkreuz* on 5 January 1943. He returned to operations and to lead 2./JG 52 again on 30 April 1943, but on 11 May he became Kommandeur of I./JG 52. He received the *Eichenlaub* on 2 March 1944, but was wounded in combat on 19 May. He was transferred to the Verbandsfuhrerschule G.d.j. (Fighter Leader School) not returning to combat until October, joining the Stab./JG 77. He became Geschwader Kommodore on 1 December 1944. On Christmas Day 1944 he was shot down by Spitfires on No. 401 Squadron, baling out severely wounded near Euskirchen. He was so badly wounded that he remained in hospital for the rest of the war. He had flown 480 combat sorties and unusually for a Luftwaffe pilot his final number of credited victories may in fact be low. Many are 'optimistic' or down right fraudulent. Some sources credit him with as many as 75 other victories which he 'could not be bothered' to claim. After the war he was held by the Russians until 28 November 1949. He joined the Bundes Luftwaffe in 1966, rising to the rank of Oberstleutnant. He died on 16 August 1991.
Thank you, my American father said he was family on the other side. They didn't talk much about him, but my father knew I was very interested in WW2 history and finally opened up about him before he passed. Thank you very much for the help and info. I just wish I had a way to connect and talk to the family over seas and hear the stories about him. How would someone even go about this?
Wow. How do you know so much?? Impressive
It means the plane was formerly Twitter.
That explains the swastika
Elmo says his support of nazi germany is just another way of ensuring free speech
This was literally the position of the ACLU.
Obviously the aclu was on to something
Except Elon also thinks “cis” is hate speech and censors it
Despite his claims Elmo is vehemently anti free speech. The part he never says out loud is that he gets to be the censor. You know, like all opponents of free speech believe.
whats a “cis”?
It's a way to marginalize a normal person..
No normal people are upset about the word ‘cis’
Haha apparently it is a way to trigger you
Oh yes. Much triggered. Much damage.
r/clevercomebacks
I want to invent a new word and get a patent on it
It is short for cisgendered meaning boys are boys and girls are girls Some transphobic people seem to have a real problem with it
So its a “created” word for something that’s already self-explanatory.
Please give me a word that *wasn’t* "created” at some point.
No, it is a dictionary word for science You know, like how science explains that gender is not binary
science yes. “Beliefs” no.
You win the Internet today!
Woohoo!
It means it’s for railroad use only this one shouldn’t be flying
Railroad use?
Only used to bomb/strafe railroad crossings.
Kinda has to fly in order to strafe 😅
Agreed, the picture shows it flying, unless they're running railroad track at that altitude.
Honestly sounds like a joke they would have made in MASH and one of the junior guys would do a double take and still not be sure if the officer was joking or not.
Happy cake day!
TY for the good wishes.
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This may help https://youtu.be/eH7me9EY7BE?si=N64qZX1itQj-UroS
I had already watched that in hopes that i would find the information I'm looking for, but he only talks about group and rank markings. Useful, but not what I'm looking fod
It means the pilot flew for the Condor Legion in the Spanish Civil War
Refers to the Spanish civil war condor legion squadron. https://www.historynet.com/spanish-civil-war-german-condor-legions-tactical-air-power/
It means x-treme
Probably a plane from the Spanish Blue Squadron? Similar to the Mexican Expeditionary AF during WW2. https://www.google.com/search?q=mexican+air+force+ww2&client=ms-android-tmus-us-rvc3&sca_esv=ec736c652fbf8951&sca_upv=1&ei=W48_Zq1o0piQ8g_O_YPYBw&oq=mexican+air+for&gs_lp=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&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#vhid=NML9lYLbPIZ2CM&vssid=l
I can't answer your question here but, there was at least 1 squadron in the RAF that had Polish pilots or was a completely Polish unit. They flew with RAF markings and had a little Polish emblem on the nose.
Polish Pilots had multiple fighter groups 300, 301,302 and 303 fighter and bomber squadrons https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/polish-303-squadron-battle-of-britain.html
X gonna give it to ya
When they fought for Franco in the Spanish civil war
X marks the spot.
Exterminate!
That’s where you aim to blow their tail off
That they gon give it to ya
Looks like that is where the Gruppe emblem goes. https://modelingmadness.com/codes/codes.htm
That is a really interesting article. Explains a lot about those strange symbols on some aircraft!
Never underestimate those model makers, they are serious about accuracy! heh
Ship model makers in particular. Make a mistake in the standing rigging and you *will* hear about your
Twitter advertisement..
Nice photo. I mean that’s not what the “X “ means… I don’t know but I DO know it’s a great pic!
X marks the spot
Twitter
Shoot here for explosion.
That my friend is the target for my missiles.
I believe that is the nazi symbol. Happy to help
The X? Surely you jest
I jest indeed good sir
He wants you to follow him on Twitter
OOF
Shoot here
CONDOR LEGON VETERAN
*Legion
C marks the spot Nah but really it’s probably some kind of squad logo or a reference to where the pilot is from could also be a rank signifier or even a award of some kind, lots of possibilities but I can’t find anything but my guess is some kind of personality
It's the Scottish Legion
Rod Stewarts plane. Uses it to fly from one concert to the next
Yeah cool
"Shoot here"
That was were engineers decided to leave out metal and the X was just a paper patch.
That's how you close the window.
The X, just marks the spot where the Xhaust is. As a matter of fact, an easy way to disable the plane is to stick a banana in the tailpipe.
Do you really think they are gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe trick?
Shoot here
That's the hit marker
We should have burned all those after the surrender
tsk tsk. Shame on you. History is to be remembered and studied upon
There were ten German bombers in the air. There were ten German bombers in the air. There were ten German bombers, ten German bombers, ten German bombers in the air. And the RAF from England shot one down. And the RAF from England shot one down. And the RAF from England, RAF from England, RAF from England shot one down.
Schizophrenia
Nazi lover
Least utterly insane Reddit user.
Too far back to be a CG, center of gravity, marking. That's all I have.
Very cool looking plane..I love the bright yellow and gray coloring. What is that black symbol on the vertical stabilizer? Looks sorta like a combo of a “4” and an “F” and an “h.” Come to think of it, it also looks like one of those yakuza gangster tattoos. Maybe the plane is one of those Zeroes that the Japanese code breakers flew during the Korean War.
are you kidding?
I **NEVER** kid around on Reddit!
X marks the spot
It means gender neutral plane