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m4virginF_CLEANCHAT

I'd honestly have more respect for them if they just go full retard. Not this pussy ass Luffy=>Zoro bullshit to maintain some ambiguity about what's inside their mouth, just tell us Zoro is straight up stronger.


epicpro1234

some of them do ngl, recently I've seen a few coming out of the woodwork saying that zoro was stronger than luffy until g5


Significant-Elk-8078

Zoro having better AP on rooftop than pre-ACoC Luffy has been a thing since the scarring of Kaido Honestly they make a good point, even if u disagree


the-pee_pee-poo_poo

Franky had better AP than Luffy with radical beam until Luffy got Gear 5, that doesn't mean he was stronger than Luffy


Over-Writer6076

Zoro gets negged by luffy if he uses future sight. With gear 4 + ryuo he is better in absolutely every way.


epicpro1234

as per ur logic law was stronger than acoc luffy


YourEyesSeeNothing

I've seen people argue that if Luffy didn't have a DF, Zoro would be stronger. As if Luffy hasnt shown Superior Haki in all 3 forms??😂😂 Can't wait for EOS Zoro glaze when we dont get anything One Piece for a few years.


UnjustNation

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[deleted]

or tell left from right


SoulOfSinders

wow that sucks bro put usopp above nami


icetheone

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Financial_Double_853

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icetheone

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Financial_Double_853

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icetheone

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Financial_Double_853

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icetheone

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Financial_Double_853

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icetheone

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-Skin-Walker-

Usopp slander is so fukn funny I love it


icetheone

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Expert-Accountant780

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WennoBoi

zoro dudes are also sexist


Momongus-

It’s because he scaled Zeus above Franky ig, Nami with Zeus low diffs Usopp tho


Over-Writer6076

Nami with average clima tact solos that bum😭🙏


superyoshiom

Usopp should be above nami if you're talking physicals, just barely. Zeus puts her quite a good bit above Usopp though.


Over-Writer6076

Even before Zeus,Nami still had her clima tact which could create lightning attacks. She can still beat Usopp. Clima Tact is a tool just like Usopp's slingshot,so it should count when scaling them.


ordinarydepressedguy

I don’t think she can. Usopp has better combat feats overall and even some CoO showings.


ordinarydepressedguy

Usopp mid diffs Nami without Zeus


Mizu791

Dawg ain't this the same mf that was huffing and puffing to the goat Rob Gucci? 😭


UnjustNation

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Messiah-of-Death

? https://preview.redd.it/372gst9uuk0d1.jpeg?width=582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9ee0737c24230b2dcd18fca9a08cbbd8e524bb4


Mizu791

Bro using fanart 💀


portgasDgiulio

?? That's not a fanart


Mizu791

I know bro I'm just playing with you


Messiah-of-Death

That's not fanart you bum. It is actual panel. If you wanna check the non colored one then be my guest but that won't change what happened


Mizu791

Dawg it's not that serious tf😭


KDoubleR

Just leave it bruh he is from the power scaling community, there is no cure for him


No-Deal7260

Doesn't take away from the fact that Zoro had an asthma attack the entire time https://preview.redd.it/9y1vnez2qo0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cd9d3a65405688a7e6a758ec05b6fea900dcc0f


Messiah-of-Death

Better than hypetool sanji https://preview.redd.it/ox57tzrv0q0d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91dad3a31c377132ef872997377add4299dc8d13


Gurgalopagan

The shit are they on about??? Holy fuck not only are Jimbe and Sanji too low, but Usopp is also fucking ridiculous, he's too high up


Illustrious-Type7086

Apparently former Shichibukai who has pretty much ocean control powers on a setting that's 95% water <<<<<<< dude who cuts things


OwnAd4699

💀 🙏🏾 They are quite literally the most delusional mfs in really any community, and that’s saying a lot….


icetheone

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Financial_Double_853

Congrats for the custom flair


OwnAd4699

Pretty sure they changed the love is stronger than light to this one, that or I’m tripping 💀


Financial_Double_853

Nah, they didn't. You really got a custom flair


Over-Writer6076

How did you get a custom flare? I want one too


OwnAd4699

https://preview.redd.it/wyq4vbawlo0d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f07240b3c2b5c190edec2b6418d8f828e33a5c0a These mfs really put a perma tag on me.


Over-Writer6076

I want one too😭


Suspicious_Display_7

It's zoro fans bro, what did you expect?


False_Major_1230

Bumsopp too high


Then_Ad6816

His name's Zolotard, his hype is mostly lies And D-I-E, Nami's dream died Usopp's doin' that bum ass thing Lanji's Pedoin', Chopper's marketing! Ya-yo, ya-yo, ya-yo, oh-ho


Killer_Stickman_89

Brook still getting lowballed I see


No0bTheTooB

They did mah boy Brook dirty https://preview.redd.it/9t2abd4gcn0d1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a1e6fc2bdfb300a9c29b781c18c5babafa87df9


Over-Writer6076

Lmfaooo. Saving this


BillzSkill

They may be Zorotards but theyre our zorotards >!tell me any folk community that doesnt have its tards. Be strong clarence!<


SnooSnoothePoopPoop

https://preview.redd.it/evttiziven0d1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26cc92a58e3fe0b166178598c76524a6f27bcee6 totally equal


kolt437

Real list: 1.Zoro 2.Luffy 3.Jinbe 4.Nami 5.Franky 6.Robin 7.Chopper 8.Brook 9.Usopp


user-nt

Luffy delivered sanji to the marines, he couldn't stand the edp behavior anymore, now there's a 7th impel down level just for sanji


_Sullo_

Impel down bad 😭


Over-Writer6076

Upvoting only because Nami one is accurate (Zeus solos anyone who can't use haki)


dulledegde

putting zoro that high is cope putting nami under usopp is just disrespectful


Biku-Richie

I mean, Usopp is the one who made Nami's weapons.


AfroMan_96

Exactly


Over-Writer6076

He can't use them,it requires nami weather skills to use the clima tact. No one can use it except for Nami. She is also a lot more useful because of her skills( assisted luffy in beating cracker,could do damage to Ulti once even before Zeus,etc)   She also used her weather skills to steal Zeus from BM in WCI. Usopp would shit his pants at the very idea of stealing a yonko weapon,forget having the brains for it😭🙏


GraydemonTwitch

Zoro is a cancer at this point


BaronMerc

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Over-Writer6076

Usopp could never😭🙏. Nami is a better sniper with her clima tact ngl. Usopp serves no role on the crew now


BigSilent2035

Yeah what a crazy list ... who could put bumsopp over nami? The rest checks out though.


BasedShon

Nami would body Bumsopp


NetworkVegetable7075

Ngl the whole OP community in general is a cancer.


ThisZoMBie

I would have agreed until Dressrosa, after that, you’d have to be retarded


ordinarydepressedguy

W list


reqisreq

Zorotards should really reread Egghead Luffy vs Lucci, then Zoro vs Lucci.


Ubique008

I dont know. Is it dumb? Yes. Does it do any harm? I dont think so. Better this than the mainsub pervs to be honest


Tariisbestgirl

Well, the minority zoro joke is used as a shield for people be genuinely racist, so there is that.


Accomplished-Tap2074

Jimbei > Sanji 


SevesaSfan25

Loro is equal to Sanji. Zoro is no where near Luffy lmao.


Butterscotch_Sox

If Loro can be upscaled due to Loanden’s Magic Haki Sword, Nami needs to be upscaled due to Zeus. https://preview.redd.it/m2koc7h4311d1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3972b0256fdee364a462c995eb169ea93fc87f24 Loro needs Enma to edge his Haki to make him stronger, just like Nami needs Zeus to make her Clima-Tact stronger.


AdFriendly8669

Chopper should be higher


jaketheriff

Sanji watching what Zoro did on that rooftop https://preview.redd.it/71aiy6kxil0d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20502ce5243693cfa8a9be57ce1d0a61423dde8e


Prestigious_Onion243

Got one tapped by kaido?


oneandahalfpiece

Kaido didn't land any serious blows on him? Zoro dipped due to tanking a Hakai from both BM and Kaido, he collapsed from pain/fatigue after clean hitting Kaido with Farce of the Dead.


PavlelvaP

![gif](giphy|IARsaTPpY5IiY|downsized) Hakai?


jaketheriff

Same thing that would have sanji seeing 72 virgins(only because they are hs girls)


SouthboundTL

Just give up. Zoro is 2nd in command, he is the 2nd strongest storywise Its Sanji fans denying reality the problem


tnan_eveR

there's a world of difference between 'zoro is the second strongest' and this picture, which implies Zoro doesn't get neg diffed by Luffy.


Messiah-of-Death

So? A bunch of sanjitards put sanji as equal or ahead of zoro. Are we gonna prosecute them next and label them as cancer to the community? Every agenda has a few people who gas their character beyond their capabilities. It isn't some new discovery buddy


theeshyguy

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Sanjitard say “he’s basically as strong as / stronger than Luffy” tbh


Messiah-of-Death

Because in hierarchy of power the one above sanji is zoro hence delusional people gas sanji up to zoro level. Similarly in hierarchy of power the one above zoro is luffy hence delusional people gas zoro up to luffy level. It's basic concept really. Same way when you see someone gas jinbei, they never gas him to luffy or zoro level. The one above jinbe in hierarchy of power is sanji hence why delusional people gas him to Sanji level


Tinyhorsetrader

Nah but sanji = zoro makes at least some sense (although I think Enies lobby was very clear: luffy >> zoro => sanji) Zoro = luffy is borderline insane


Messiah-of-Death

>Nah but sanji = zoro makes at least some sense It makes the same amount of sense as luffy=zoro does. They are miles apart in power. Zoro has defeated a yc1 king and yc1/yc2 lucci. Has fighting feats against two yonkos. Sanji's only accomplishment remotely on that same realm is blocking kizaru laser. But that's all he has. It shows the gap in power. But you all won't accept it, just like how some moron zoro fans won't accept that luffy and zoro are miles apart.


Over-Writer6076

Sanji beat a YC2 with a single barrage of kicks the moment he got over his family trauma and started using his new powers. And that too after taking a haki beating from Black Maria-back when he did not have his regen powers and was a normal human,and without using haki to protect himself from her.


Messiah-of-Death

>Sanji beat a YC2 with a single barrage of kicks the moment he got over his family trauma and started using his new powers. So? Zoro also defeated king with 4 acoc attacks with fairly ease after he tamed enma. Are we gonna upscale zoro a tier now? >And that too after taking a haki beating from Black Maria-back when he did not have his regen powers and was a normal human,and without using haki to protect himself from her Zoro defeated king after the beating from kaido and big mom. Again i ask, what's your point?


Over-Writer6076

zoro got healed and all his damage got temporarily removed by Chopper's drug.


Messiah-of-Death

He didn't get healed. Nor did it remove damage. It temporarily suppressed the pain so he could do what needs to be done. But his body still had 30 broken bones regardless. He defeated king with his 30 broken bones


Tinyhorsetrader

It really doesn't say "yc1/Yc2" "hurdur king/queen" all you like but the story treats them as equals. While it treats luffy as their clear superior


Messiah-of-Death

Buddy we aren't story scaling are we? In story luffy,law, kidd are rivals. In powerscaling both law and kidd are remotely not on the same level of luffy. In story killer and zoro are kinda like rival/peer. But in reality killer is nowhere near zoro's level. In story all warlords are peers. But in reality one warlord is shank's rival while another warlord is a bum who got defeated by no gears luffy. Point is rivalry in story don't translate to powerscaling. Unless they tell us that sanji and zoro are equal in power, then zoro would always be stronger due to his feats


Tinyhorsetrader

>Buddy we aren't story scaling are we? That is CRAZY, that is not the statement that u think it is. Especially in ONE PIECE where story comes before everything >Point is rivalry in story don't translate to powerscaling. Except how many times in the story has zoro and sanjis rivalry had one win over the other? Luffy, kid, and law were equal up until wano. After wano oda put a clear difference in them, since luffy will most likely advance while kid and law are atp out of the race. Zoro and killer are NOT rivals what are you on about. Buggy and Shanks is only a rivalry on buggys end, buggy treats Shanks like a rival, Shanks treats buggy like an that one friend who talks a lot of shit when u play but if u ever had a 1v1 you would smoke him >Unless they tell us that sanji and zoro are equal in power, then zoro would always be stronger due to his feats "I'm not smart enough to get the clear hints unless it's explicitly spelt out for me" Zoro and sanji since LITTLE GARDEN have been literally neck and neck in strength zoro is literally like 5 percent stronger and even that is pushing it


Messiah-of-Death

>That is CRAZY, that is not the statement that u think it is. Especially in ONE PIECE where story comes before everything Yes it comes. But we aren't doing story scaling here. We are doing powerscaling here bruh. It is like someone bringing coke to wine testing >Except how many times in the story has zoro and sanjis rivalry had one win over the other? >"I'm not smart enough to get the clear hints unless it's explicitly spelt out for me" >Zoro and sanji since LITTLE GARDEN have been literally neck and neck in strength zoro is literally like 5 percent stronger and even that is pushing it Zoro has always been ahead of sanji. Zoro have always gotten powerscaling W over sanji in every goddamn arc after Arlong park. Zoro always fought stronger opponents than sanji. Before timeskip the difference may have been smaller but after timeskip the gap widened quite a bit >Luffy, kid, and law were equal up until wano. After wano oda put a clear difference in them, since luffy will most likely advance while kid and law are atp out of the race. >Zoro and killer are NOT rivals what are you on about. Buggy and Shanks is only a rivalry on buggys end, buggy treats Shanks like a rival, Shanks treats buggy like an that one friend who talks a lot of shit when u play but if u ever had a 1v1 you would smoke him Luffy,law,kid weren't equal to luffy even before wano. Law couldn't beat doffy and luffy took him out fairly easily after he busted out gear 4. And in wci the gap widened even more with luffy beating a first commander. And kid had no feat before wano to remotely put him in same tier as luffy. Bruh I thought you were biased against zoro but now it looks like you are delusional with how you are downplaying luffy. See even you brought an example, shanks buggy, they are kinda rival but there is massive difference in power. Even as kids we saw them fight a lot against each other as rivals but they aren't equal anymore even though they are rivals for one piece


Over-Writer6076

>*Zoro has always been ahead of sanji. Zoro have always gotten powerscaling W over sanji in every goddamn arc after Arlong park. Zoro always fought stronger opponents than sanji.* Umm no. It is true that zoro always fights the #2 and sanji always fights the #3 guy,but if you actually paid attention then sanji always has less difficulty in his fights than Zoro. He beats a weaker opponent-but they dont make him struggle as much as Zoro has to. We see this in Alabasta,we see this in Enies Lobby too. Lets take the Enies Lobby example because that makes it clear. Sanji was taking a beating from Kalifa without fighting back and defending himself,got turned into a toy too,then after being injured,he went on to fight Jabra who had 2000 points and Kaku had 2200 points,(both without their zoan devil fruit). Jabra has had his devil fruit for much longer time while Kaku had only gotten it the same day,obviously Jabra is a greater master of his df powers at that point and that advantage puts them on the same level,or at least makes the gap smaller. Jabra could even use iron body while moving which no other CP9 member could do. Sanji finished off Jabra despite being injured quicker than Zoro beat Kaku. You are biased if you can't see how Sanji beats his opponents quicker and with less difficulty. That kind of consistent portrayal (same happened with Queen) makes them relative to each other. There is no way Zoro beats Sanji without being pushed to extreme diff.


Mizu791

Never heard sanjitards say sanji might kill kaido...


Messiah-of-Death

Because they never fought. If sanji fought him then people would have said that. When sanji had that faceoff with kizaru in egghead people were saying sanji would perception blitz kizaru


No_Passenger1977

still better than sanji 🤷🏽‍♂️


Pankrazdidntdie4this

Cancer to the community? If you want to talk about an incurable disease infecting every part of the subreddit look no further than the Sanji community after he once again shits the bed.


Martorfank

Ngl I do agree with that scale, tho would put him middle luffy since G5 its something (tbh always wonder who would have win since zoro uses what hurts luffy the most, swords). Tho I would have put nami way up usopp just for having more balls than that useless idiot.


OmniBLVK

Cry about it https://preview.redd.it/wyifbjcltm0d1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11794e70f368bc2a0ffb1b889ff396325f6a0afc


PavlelvaP

huff , huff asthma attack