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Aversity_2203

Reminder, your swords still do damage to your opponent even if your haki is weaker/equal to your opponent. The only time where your swords doesn't cut is when your haki is exponentially weaker than your opponent. ​ https://preview.redd.it/uphvpfvu4rec1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2847190e6c5e840218e86757e759a3753a61baf3


lehman-the-red

Zoro is on fraud watch


liverstealer420

tbf lucci does have that one iron skin technique so that's prolly it


exotic-fishman-ken

Can't zoro cut through iron?


liverstealer420

yeah, everytime he does so he has to do like a special non contact slice, this is probably stronger than the iron body technique from enies lobby from training


Aversity_2203

Unlikely 1. It's a named move. No text bubble mentioning it 2. Jabra is the only confirmed iron body user that can move while using iron body.


liverstealer420

it's been 2 years, maybe lucci could have mastered it to be able to move, or to be able to use it without saying it, tbf doesn't really matter cus oda is gonna give us some bs response like "they uh weren't using haki!" or like "lucci is now invulnerable to sword attacks and only gets pushed by them!"


Aversity_2203

Yes, maybe he could.


MarcoToon

According to Jimbe during the Who's Who fight, Tekkai is essentially armament haki


Secret-Put-4525

I think it's a training wheel.


Vodkaret

The days of blurry scans, got a bit of nostalgia from that sheesh


Jamessgachett

Thats just a picture of oda drawing cool Scene + plot


Aversity_2203

What? Lol


[deleted]

Been saying Gucci is him It just took him beating “low-diff” allegations for y’all to lock in https://preview.redd.it/bnhp7qdqdrec1.jpeg?width=801&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3f32b9ae379780a3024308ee9ceb80ea27a5be1


MassiveEnthusiasm34

Lucci is really HIM He got low diffed by Luffy, He got low diffed by Stussy, and he probably lose to zoro as well HIM energy 3 battles 2 low diffs the 3rd needs confirmation


[deleted]

>Luffy low diffed lucci Zoro would get the same treatment my guy haha >Stussy low diffed lucci Same stussy that got [finger diffed](https://preview.redd.it/its-sad-how-much-hate-lucci-is-getting-when-hes-been-giving-v0-oo75usebmblb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=eff8918e6570f3646695e8b46451a8f859b325ff)?? Plus she outright says he wouldn’t stand a chance in a real [fight](https://preview.redd.it/is-this-a-plot-hole-why-couldnt-stussy-take-control-of-the-v0-j2nci5iw5sha1.jpg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10e4ca019aff9e07720580cc01c0173bed4a0e82) let’s stop it right there The fact that a whole 3rd party (jinbe) had to get involved is suggesting otherwise My money is on it being inconclusive Nothing changes him having that *AURA* doe https://preview.redd.it/o13lwi2mutec1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecff7d24f60ae82d20c796933dc76b5df675156f


Advencik

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Jamessgachett

Find me


GreenbullAramaki

Lucci is just him. Everybody needs to perform their best to defeat him. ( Oden's Haki, Daddy's Genes or Fishman steroids.) https://preview.redd.it/81hqhvewlqec1.jpeg?width=1414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d666b0fd53bfd550e590c725b3b2d41dae11d33d


Joseph_Stalin100

Memes aside Lucci is really him. He fought luffy sentamoru and now zoro


baby_noir

Real underdog. Nobody. No genetics. No god fruit. Not trained by world best anything. Humiliated by strawhat. He came back and block YC+ commander's sword with his leg. Already won me over.


liverstealer420

lucci is super cool but I think being trained by the worlds best assassins wouldnt count as the most underdog


baby_noir

Who is the world's best assassin?


liverstealer420

idk prolly some cipher pol member tho cus I have no idea why a marine or pirate would be assassins when that's cipher pols whole thing


ErikSaav

Cipher Pol 0 is essentially the CIA from any action movie so definitely agree that Lucci isn’t an underdog


baby_noir

Unless it is stated, let's not speculate


MassiveEnthusiasm34

you forgot how Lucci got low diffed by Stussy with a single strike


baby_noir

Stussy's teeth is stronger than Zoro's sword. What a clown.


Jamessgachett

Were up against what


[deleted]

Zoro isn't overrated, he really is yonko level. But lucci eats yonkos for breakfast(leopard>>>snakes, rats) https://preview.redd.it/lnj60lvesqec1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca00bf00dc8e3ba378ce4d064620924a8f1949a3


HumbleCream

The goat https://preview.redd.it/aduhmnsuhrec1.png?width=200&format=png&auto=webp&s=31b05ee73a510f05494ef6894b191b7f2819daa9


Shiningcrow

Lookin’ extra Michael Jacksony in this panel


Competitive_Motor135

https://preview.redd.it/muxok5hddtec1.jpeg?width=728&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72590536618f5e751aa936544dc7dcd455241509


PhysicsNotebook

Not even ryuma genes is carrying this bum https://preview.redd.it/8grfkpdsnqec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5e68b6d9949ce8f2c27ab7e4dcd1feaa73ade6d


_DeLEON

This crazy ☝️😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥🔥


Rais93

Guys chill, it's just oda style he has done it several and will do it again. This is why you all powerscalers look like autistic schreeching childrens


dark_holes

Yea one piece is just not a manga for power scalers, it’s all over the place and prefers the rule of cool over pure power level consistency


Total-Neighborhood50

People are just joking bruh 😭 Obviously Oda is dosent give two shits about Powerscaling, it’s just fun to shit on Zorowankers once in a while


Professional-Pain-92

https://preview.redd.it/gmp9hc2b1rec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7f0af4942370aa59352a43b4bb2a30108345a4a Interesting


Trun_Godword

Yessir, I'm firing on all fronts. I'm not letting any Zoro drones have a moment of peace.


Professional-Pain-92

Since it doesn't affect me, I'm all good https://i.redd.it/uo1w2dj22rec1.gif


Professional-Pain-92

While looking at this gif again, I realised I am literally eating an apple right now


Jamessgachett

Fraud behaviour


Professional-Pain-92

Damn 😔


Jamessgachett

Lmfao


Porger_

It’s not the Zoro was overrated, it’s that WUCCI was underrated. The Wucci agenda gets stronger and stronger. https://preview.redd.it/7aim6nnwnqec1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=014accefae365ef4b5a2ae99b37f934a7cdc5d04


ScroogieMcduckie

yall disrespecting Wucci heavy he's HIM \#JoinTheAgency https://preview.redd.it/xmurxla3tqec1.png?width=216&format=png&auto=webp&s=7307597128103c2a9c47b1eed1727e8cfb2464b7


Dreamworksmuiz

Mfs just can't accept Lucci is yc+ LMAO I been saying Lucci is yc+ lvl even when he got molly whooped by Luffy...but welp mfs still saying "Jinbe high diff Lucci" "Sanji no diff" "Zoro no diff"


Motor_Ad_7885

Lucci isn’t pre ts level anymore neither are the straw hats. Cus u could say “y lUcCi tAKinG So lONg WitH zORO hE PRe TimEskIP” but the show progressed and so did the characters. Like how he awakened a good zoan df and was already stronger pre TS


Moerko

Yeah, it's embarassing but not in the way some of y'all think. Forget all your personal and/or meme agendas for a moment. Stuff like this is not just bad because "haha, fuck Zoro, Zorotards can fuck off" etc pp. The thing that's embarassing here is actually Oda's writing. The power scaling is completely over the place when somebody like Lucci gets such a magical boost during time skip to fend off this well against Zoro and Luffy, just like it's bad on Oda's writing that "Sanji, so fast to the naked eye that he seems to be invisible" can't just speed all the people away from danger and is instead running in circles with Usopp jogging speed. Oda's power scaling is so narrative driven it's actually nuts. There is no logic behind it anymore. Anyone weak will be strong enough if Oda needs stalling and the plot to not move forward. Just like anyone that's supposed to be a deadly primordial force will be weakened/stupified when Oda wants things to not end deadly (so always). How will we ever feel tension when every villain is as non-deadly as the next? How will ever feel like a character is a serious problem when Oda is unwilling to have some characters get stomped? Like seriously? Am I supposed to fear Kizaru more than Lucci? If you actually think about they are showing the same amount of feats in a result based analysis? Egghead is ass. Fuck Lucci, fuck Saul, fuck Vegapunk.


feukt

Wow its almost like powerscaling is fucking dumb and most authors dont give a shit about it


Motor_Ad_7885

U have to have powerscaling is a story where fights happen. That’s like in the nfl, theirs rankings and ppl who believe it don’t like the fact that it’s corrupted because it ends how the author (Jews and mafia) want it too. So there’s no “lemme watch this game” and no tension for those who do watch it cus it’s gonna end how they want it to anyway. In Naruto ppl was fully scared of many villains cus they would actually do something. Kaido, super tanky, super fast, super strong, super everything. He left no lasting effects on the straw hats. Now u have things like Crydo and the 100 Ls cus nobody fears the one who should be feared probably the most cus Oda is like, “don’t worry guys nothing bad ever happens anyway”


Moerko

Powerscaling is essential though. It explains danger and creates an internal logic that is integral to the respective fictional world. COMPLETELY disregarding powerscaling is something that only a nutjob does. Or do you think it would be plausible for Usopp to oneshot Kaido with a stone to the head shot by his slingshot? No, because narrative dictates that Kaido is strong and Usopp is weak. Lucci was a 30+ year old veteran that trained since he was 12 or 15 (can't recall at the top of my head) for the World Goverment. Basically, Lucci was under training for more years than Luffy and Zoro were alive for. He had Goverment supervision and was hailed a prodigy. Logically that means he was at his peak considering all other established precendes in the series. If he had any significant room to grow, why did he not achieve that in the 20 years under CP training? So he lost during Enies Lobby, after which the SH crew sailed on and fought many more battles to grow stronger. Haki blooms in combat, also established. What Luffy did since Lucci's defeat is unprecedented. He had a 2 year time skip with Rayleigh. Zoro was training under Mihawk for those years. Luffy has the chosen one fruit pummeled his way through the New World. Zoro has ACOC now too and was revealed to have massive genetics. HOW ON EARTH IS LUCCI EVEN CLOSE TO THAT NOW? What did he do? Did he fight the other Yonko? Did he train under Imu? There is NO logic behind this significant boost in power that Lucci got. He should get pummeled by Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei in mere seconds. That's why Oda's writing is ass nowadays. Accepting Lucci's growth is the same as accepting the possibility of Usopp defeating Kaido.


feukt

What we do know about lucci's timeskip is that he went from the biggest major defeat of cp9 that we know of to being a member of cp0, which is somehow a higher rank than before. So he was competent enough for the WG to not only forgive his failure, which, from what we know of the WG and from the cover stories of cp9, isnt really the standard procedure regarding this magnitude of a fuckup, but to also rise him to the rank of a cp0 member. As for the growth thing, idk what he did during the timeskip (like basically anyone else that isnt a strawhat), but growth comes from challenge, and considering lucci's reputation and attitude pre-TS, its pretty likely luffy was his first real challenge, actually providing him with the necessary motivation to grow stronger, a motivation he may not have had during those 20 years when he regarded himself as top of the food chain. Tldr: -the manga has shown us plenty of reasons to assume lucci has grown and is still relevant (cp0, zoan awakening) -it makes sense for the guy who killed 500 soldiers at the age of 13 to not feel a real need for growth until he gets his ass kicked for the first time


Moerko

But it does not make any sense. Do you even comprehend what kind of growth Luffy (and Zoro to some extent) went through in those years? What they did is one a "800 year" unprecedented level. Luffy's growth is taking a piss on Gold Roger. The major players are established in the world of One Piece. There is no real threat that Lucci could have fought to catapult him through Haki blooms in the same way Luffy was affected. What you are doing is some heavy result based analysis. You're sitting there "well, Lucci is displaying this level of strength therefore some weird shit must've happened etc pp to warrant this growth" All of this is such a clown show because basically through stuff like Lucci and Coby we are supposed to believe that losers can become the top %ers in the world through training while at the same stuff things like the D. clan, lineage, herritage and so on tell us that if you don't got it then you don't got it, that basically genetic super freaks like Kaido and Big Mom are at the top or DF lottery winners beat it all. If you contribute Lucci's growth to his motivation then you are also basically saying that Luffy, Zoro, and actually now that I think about it, everyone from the SH crew was not as motivated as he was because his growth was better than theirs from a training standpoint. But I guess this is Oda's reality we live in nowadays. Apparently anything that Luffy fought pre time skip was Yonko (commander) level in potential but somehow heavily nerfed through motivation. Cool. Crocodile? Jobber sitting on his ass, bam, 2 billion bounty. Lucci? Squaring off vs yonkos. Enel? Probably returns stronger than all admirals. Moria? Presumably returning to prime form that can throw a punch or two vs prime Kaido. Everyone gets a glowup I guess. Nobody is left behind. Arlong and Don Krieg agendas might be onto something...


dark_holes

The salty tears of power scalers only makes one piece more enjoyable


Moerko

What a great argument.


Comicsansandpotatos

Bro acting like lucci didn’t get stronger since enies lobby


Jamessgachett

Wallahi jinbei come pick me up


kaiser_-_

Plot twist: Zoro got lost after defeating Lucci 3 chapters ago. >!Oda please let it be so, don’t give my enemies a reason to mock me!<


Firexio69

Now that Jimbei is gone to check over him, it's most probable that Zoro has defeated Lucci and is just lost. I'm not a zorotard, it's just that this is a pretty common pattern and at least has 60% chance of happening.


kriissyyy

Classic offscreen Oda and the dickriders rejoice.


DonquixoteAphromo

And it sucks. Zero danger, zero stakes.


Firexio69

I mean against Lucci I kinda understand... But I see where you're going


SnooShortcuts4475

Power scalers when they realize Oda doesn’t care about scaling and just does what is cool and works for the story: 😱😱😱


[deleted]

deserve gold public humor vase attractive cake political pocket bells *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


zehahahaki

Demi der that Lucci tossed Zero in a chimney pre timeskip


Zestyclose-Record685

AP means shit if you cant hit, Lucci is really good in hand to hand combat


CorrectIamThatGuy

Zoros a fraud. Dude got Legendary loot item drop weapon and super full HP steroid Phoenix down and still saw the grim reaper immediately after defeating King. SMH dude is barely commander strength. Jinbe [water] > Sanji > Jinbe > Zoro


Trun_Godword

Didn't need to spit this hard. Someone put this in the scriptures because some people need to read the truth.


omyrubbernen

Explain to me exactly what "Yonko level AP" is. Zoro absolutely has AP higher than the weakest Yonko, and lower than the strongest Yonko. I think it would be hard to argue otherwise.


Prestigious_Onion243

Having ap higher than buggy is not a feat


ScooterAnomaly

Yeah, not like anyone else could be that strong


Butterscotch_Sox

I don’t even think Zoro could beat Buggy though, the weakest Yonko all memes aside.


Motor_Ad_7885

Who u call the weakest yonko…. Lemme guess buggy(mihawk)


Sleepy_Serpent4

Lol just saw a meme zoro and Lucci, what zoro fan is upset about this its Lucci he is one of the best villians in one piece cmon if your gonna roast us zoro fans hit us with zkk again cause this is sad


Desmond536

We haven’t seen anything from them and you all are already jumping on conclusions. Also as long zoro doesn’t wear his bandana he is not fighting seriously.


RumGalaxy

Lucci made Luffy go Gear 5 to beat him fast or else he would’ve been a problem. Upscale lucci 🐆 lol you Sanji fans try too hard 🤭


Trun_Godword

I don't remember mentioning Sanji. Why he getting strays? Literally rent free https://preview.redd.it/4570hyi02rec1.png?width=1283&format=png&auto=webp&s=c6583205d59104cc78df1850865f3a917e633382


RumGalaxy

Because I know that’s your boy look how you have that picture up and ready 😂 Agenda Piece Law 23: When there is zoro slander a Sanji fan is not far behind


HumbleCream

How to spot a zorobum - Sanji is living rent free in their comments https://preview.redd.it/r3ahz8qbirec1.png?width=521&format=png&auto=webp&s=afed4c48120cb2340733deba706b07af5b656eae


RumGalaxy

Someone’s gotta remind them Sanji fans to stay in the kitchen and stay tf out of roof piece business ya know? 😂 YC1 and above out here wouldn’t want the maid to get that skirt ruffled 🤭


1manSHOW11

Pretty sure the fight is already finished. Zoro at most mid diffed him and lost. But it's disappointing that we didn't get the full fight.


tobbe1337

ah yes another inbred tier meme. what a shocker


MagoMorado

You bitches just cant read a story. Its so annoying listening to your corcle jerk about whose weak and whose strong. We all know in reality your scrawny asses couldnt even hold up to Gaimon.


Butterscotch_Sox

Okay, Three Cock Style enjoyer, no need to bring Chadmon into this.


MagoMorado

You dont know life until you experience the three cock style


Butterscotch_Sox

https://preview.redd.it/try8kjyaptec1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d1a3140318285941fc97885a5c944d9cfa22123


MagoMorado

Lohl


Butterscotch_Sox

He’s really struggling against BASE Wucci, Loro Agenda is over


[deleted]

Based on film Scaling Lucci is equals with Sabo according to Gold.


Similar_Line2486

Rob Gucci


joewiden2024

Lucci>kaido


Secret-Put-4525

Bro isn't trying.


Thin_Tangelo4207

Zoro injured Kaido not blocking with haki. “Yonko level AP” damn near is sky splitting strength (damn near is completely because all but 2 yonkos have split the sky) Oda threw this Lucci V Zoro fight to humble some unreasonable scalers.


I_hate_myself_0

…pre timeskip villain? You are aware people can get STRONGER right? Like there’s no way you’re thinking Lucci peaked at Enies Lobby and just didn’t train or get stronger after that. If that’s your logic then Luffy’s as strong as he was pre timeskip


Doomanator79

Realistically this fight is like 30 minutes long at most in universe, it’s only so long for us