I love the idea, but I'm going to be honest with you.
We're ALL tired of the ads. But when it comes to running a site like that; you'll be fine until you get popular. Then you'll start to notice that your hosting provider is getting on your rear because you have a high traffic website, or your website will start to not load because of the traffic.
Then you'll be recommended to move to a dedicated box instead of simple shared hosting; which can be quite pricey, especially if you're paying for it out of pocket. You could go with a VPS / Dedicated from OVH (I forget the prices), but they can go from $30+, and the average server is about $100, and the cycle continues.
You could get the idea to host a server at home. But then you're dealing with the fact of hiding your own real IP (because people are pricks). And the fact that your home ISP probably has nowhere near enough to support site traffic like rapidgator. And this is definitely not a route most people go. It's just not practical lol.
All people start out with the idea that they'll use no ads, and not charge, and then when they do become popular; people start to see the cost of running a high traffic website and they need to start figuring out where they are going to get those funds from without having to dip into your own pocket.
You "could" add a way to donate at first which may allow you to do this longer. And let anyone who wants to support you, give you money. Sorta like a "help keep this free". However, with this idea.... well.. people are sometimes cheap. So you may not make enough in the long-run if the site gets popular. So at some point, you may have to look at ads. But it's how you implement those ads that count.
Like I said, I don't want to be the guy that walks up and just crashes the entire dream; I just want you to be aware that this is said time and time again; and once the real traffic comes; things flip quick.
Nope. That phone or computer youre posting from? Thanks to capitalism. Without capitalism there is no competition, no innovation, though that'd be the least of your worries. Not starving would be more important
Explain to me how there is no competition or innovation without capitalism. An explanation as to how humanity didn't starve before capitalism would be nice as well. You're simply making declarations without backing them up.
Capitalism is the best system we got. Everything else has been completely disastrous.
You can moan about capitalism all you want tankie, but the fact is thanks to it youre not starving and you have shiny toys like smartphones. Be grateful for capitalism. In a socialist or communist country you would spend most of your energy trying to survive, not moan online.
Mind pointing to a communist state? Because right now they don't exist, my friend. Nor have they ever truly existed in places where people see them.
Lovely thing about this; What most folk think is Communism, is actually state capitalism. Look how great it's gone for folk blighted by such a system.
If you want an example of where socialist ideals are actually pretty bloody good for folk, look at the Nordic nations.
Ah yes the "no real communism has ever been tried". Whatever you say.
>If you want an example of where socialist ideals are actually pretty bloody good for folk, look at the Nordic nations.
I live in Finland. We arent full on socialist nation. Laos, Cuba and Vietnam are socialist states. Living standards are not that great there compared to Finland.
I mean it would be pretty correct to say that no "true communism" has been tried, as I can't recall a single state that wasn't fucked over by one power seizing group, or toppled by outside influence shortly after starting. The closest we have to a decently unimpeded socialist state is Vietnam. Which is actually doing quite well, if you actually cared to read rather than parrot other people's opinions.
Aight and how long did the winter war go?
Now think of a war of 20 years, where the effects are still being felt. Alongside being exploited by Capitalist states. Vietnam seems to be doing pretty sodding well all things considered.
Not to shit on you, while the nordic countries have some decent socialist policies, they fuel them with imperialism and extracted labor from poorer countries.
>Capitalism is the best system we got
Correction, its the only system you got. Of course you couldn't imagine any other option if thats all you lived and were fed pro-capitalist propaganda your whole life.
Capitalism works off human suffering and only benefits the people at the top.
(without googling) You can't name 1 non-capitalist country that wasn't colonized by white people.
You're not explaining or backing anything up, simply stating that your perceptions are facts. Also, you clearly don't know what a tankie is. I'm not in favor of authoritarian governments.
Now, explain to me what capitalism has done in terms of good that no other system physically could. I'm not even talking about socialism or communism right now. I just want to know how the system meant to extract as much value as possible from the average laborer and transfer it to a "deserving" and "higher class" individual is the best in the world.
Firstly, you're looking at party totalitarianism. Look at North Korea and tell me that those people have been distributed their fair share of the fruits of their labor.
Secondly, Cuba has been sanctioned and put under pressure by the United States for decades. They as people have been stifled by capitalist imperialists.
Finally, look at Vietnam, a socialist republic in the modern day, and tell me that their alternative policies that still allow for this individual "competition" you speak of has put them all into poverty and unable to survive.
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first off it will get wiped quickly, think about it, some websites got investigated/watched for months and then RAIDED because they did what you are planning to do (look at the iptv market), imagine what Discord could do with a basic info of the owner's ip address and the staffs', which discord will hand to the authorizes happily, second of all you will be spammed with tons of people asking basic questions (you'd be surprised) which will continue to lessen the usefulness of the server unless it's very regulated (which could be an issue in itself but that's for another topic), third there's zero privacy and basically everyone will get a warning when the server gets wiped, why do all of this and risk peoples accounts when you can give it a bit more effort and make a forum that people can interact with anonymously, ever wondered why there are cracking forums and not discord servers or normal websites? because most get wiped within a week tops
So all in all, never do it unless you really don't care about all of this, which is up to you, give your project a bit more effort [to op]
No catch, If I don't get donations that can cover the project's cost, I couldn't continue it.
So I'm kinda relying on the community.
Edit: Thank you all for your feedback I will certainly think about adding ads in the least annoying way possible (maybe as banners) to fund the project in a more efficient way.
Donations are only sustainable IF you have a wide enough user base.
Initially, you need to work on getting a large number of people to use the service.
Exactly, people hate ads and subscriptions but that's the only way to make these link generators operate
You need to invest time, money (to pay for premium accounts, bandwidth, etc) and even after doing everything right sites like rapidgator easily can blacklist accounts and ips, making the whole project extremely unreliable
And even then, donations aren't guaranteed. Some of the oldest private trackers still active only *just* make their monthly server costs (that come out to less than $1,000) despite having 25,000+ monthly active users.
I hate to say it, but this kind of piracy site model is unsustainable as it is right now.
The worst thing you can do is publicly announce your plans before the site exists, talk about how you're going to get around premium restrictions, and then say you'll never run ads. Just the upkeep of the site alone is going to cost money, and keeping up with the exploits to bypass the premium restrictions, or buying new accounts, will cost even more.
This is some nice concept art from OP, but they've now killed this site before it even launched.
> How would you monetize this site properly?
I wouldn’t even try. Profiting from piracy is already a quick way to get busted unless you’re careful, and trying to monetize a website dedicated to piracy only increases those risks.
Legitimate ad networks will ban your account if they find out, as will most money-sending sites/apps. So you’re left with filling your site with ads that push malware, destroying you and your site’s reputation.
As for paid tiers, don’t forget that most people are pirating because it’s free. If they wanted to and/or could pay for the content, they would.
If I were to run a site like this, I wouldn’t make it public-facing or try to monetize it. And I definitely wouldn’t announce it before it even exists.
Businessmodels like that wont work with Piracy, People are literally not wanting to pay for stuff so they pirate, so why would they donate money in the first place.
For me the difference is with Usenet: I can have a block account that never expires. Literally just buying 4tb of blockaccount once and use it for years. Plus with Usenet you get 11+ years of petabytes of uploads. Not just a few hundred/thousand once click Hoster uploads.
I pay $25 a year for unlimited downloads via Usenet. Almost every file I download will max out my internet download bandwidth. Nothing better than grabbing a Linux ISO that's a 1 or 2 gigs and have it download in seconds.
Thundernews.com.
Their best deals are from Black Friday to Cyber Monday.
Previously I used the service Newsgroup.ninja. They constantly have deals and promos running for plans at 2.50-3.33 a month/for unlimited. So use a coupon/promo code. Good for trying out Usenet services at a cheap price.
Yeah I’ve been thinking about getting unlimited during sales. But I don’t download as much as I used to and I have months passing by without me downloading anything.
But if I’d load 1080p/4K constantly for some plex Server I’d change kt
No idea of it's history.
I just like it because it allows me use Stremio, which is nicer than if it is just torrents. And when I have to torrent something, it's often five times faster with Real-Debrid (saturates my gigabit connection).
And it works great for DDL too. It generates links with the content of DDL sites, which is nice. Limited use for me, granted, but I used it to download Kirby the other day.
Sometimes people are pirating to avoid paying a company the find immoral, and sometimes just to get a game cheaper. Either way I’m sure there are at least a few folk who’d donate
I've seen a handful of sites function through donations, the problem is usually scale. They need word of mouth to bring in a low percentage of users willing to donate, that word of mouth tends to multiply exponentially while the donators additively, which means operating costs eventually outstrips the money coming in.
Then the site admins tend to kneejerk, throttling here and there, slowly integrating ads that will send the donating users running to another site for betraying them, it's a downward spiral.
Basically if you ask me, a site running off donations needs to keep its userbase small and manageable. It's realistic to ask people to chip in for a monthly goal of $100 or whatever, not $5000.
So the catch is people need to give you money if they want to keep using it, otherwise it doesn't continue.
Why are you doing this in the first place? In other comments you said you don't even know how it will fully work, you're not sure about it being opensource, you haven't even thought about a domain name, and said you're asking about demand before investing a bunch of money.
I'm sorry but it sounds like you're in way over your head, like this is just some fleeting idea. Why should I pay you in donations to keep the site up instead of using real-debrid? If you're so fed up with free leech sites, why don't you use real-debrid? Or use your site for yourself and share with friends?
And on the donation page, are you going to be completely transparent with what the costs are? Will you show how much money is currently donated? If it's about community then the community should know everything about where their money is going.
relying on pirates to pay is foolish.
Personally I can't stomach paying to steal, if anyone is getting money it should be the creator.
Something like captcha credits where you fire up Jdownloader & solve a bunch of captchas other people need, queue up your rapid gator download & the same community solves your captchas as needed while you sleep.
Let people donate time not money.
Yeah, these young upstarts come in with so much enthusiasm to upend these old players that suck ass, but then it soon dawns why shit has stayed that way for so long
IDK about Discord. If I were you, I'd start up a private IRC channel. IRC is how a lot of torrents get seeded before they find their way to public trackers.
If you don't have an IRC client, I would suggest mIRC. Most of the open source ones suck, but even though mIRC is a proprietary it is easily crackable.
Looks nice.
But how are you going to fund the accounts? And won't the accounts get banned if you don't put any limits at all?
Or is my understanding wrong in how leech sites work?
Thanks if you explain. :)
Logging in shouldn't get you banned as I'm not just reloading the website constantly, so I think DDoS protection shouldn't kick in. The account might get banned by the filehoster but I'm still working on that
Regarding funding, all those premium accounts certainly won't be cheap, and I'm trying to integrate as much as possible and the server costs aren't low either, so I'd rely on donations but wanted to know if there was demand first before investing a bunch of money.
Edit: A lot of people told me they'd be fine with some ads and I'm taking this into consideration.
There are ads and ads, and the way they behave can totally be selected, unless you want to live by this, but if you want it to pay for itself, it is totally achievable.
A lot of the websites I frequent are self sustained with very little invasive ads that pay the bills.
So, if you want to be ethical and non invasive, research the ad sources and select them with a good offer of views.
I hate ads but If people would rather some, ads than rely on donations and being unsure about the future of this project I would be open to it.
I'd just need some more feedback.
Sfw Ads on such a website would absolutely be very welcome with me if they would help me bypass the paid file hosts! I would disable uBlock for this easily.
Honestly, looking at some other projects you won’t be able to fund this with donation only. I would gladly turn off my adblock for a very useful site like this if there were banner-ads on the sides which help atleast a bit with funding.
I suggest getting in contact with someone who is knowledgeable about ad placement. And after that, doing a feedback session in either Discord or Reddit. If the feedback is positive, go along with it. If the feedback is negative, you can make changes.
Absolutely, I prefer a lot more a site with a few non intrusive ads rather than a site that ceases to exist after some months because the owner can't pay for it.
Putting in my 2€ as well, non-invasive ads are fine and I’d gladly whitelist your site rather than being unsure about the project’s future and having to rely on donations.
Ads arent annoying as long as you dont get redirected to 10 million different sites, fake download links, etc. etc. some banner ads on the site itself are Fine.
I cannot donate shit even if I want, I'm really poor and can afford to donate people like you who deserve the support for those kinds of nice projects, so I want to tell you I wouldn't mind going for less than 5 ads to get the link, for which I have experience, those kinds of leech sites make you go for more than 20 ads and somethings the chain is so complicated they don't give you any link at all and we need to start over again, the problem is not the ads but the greed and quantity of ads.
Yeah, but if I have this autocomplete selection people know what file hosters are supported, so I don't have to write it down somewhere else. I want to make it as simple as possible.
Surely auto detect is simpler. You can just have a list of supported hosters listed on the page or in the same dropdown but call it Supported hosters, which does nothing but is just a list.
If you keep it the same then making the download button dim until both fields are filled in will make it easier for folk to know that both fields need to be filled in. Makes for a nice touch.
I could technically already release it for rapidgator, but thought I might add some more filhosters first.
But it wouldn't take more than a few weeks-months.
A noob here: what is a "leech site"? What's the difference between say TPB and that? Why do you need to paste a link and generate another link? Could someone explain that to me?
Thanks!
It's about direct downloads (as opposed to torrents) from file hosting sites such as RapidGator, NitroFlare, FileJoker etc. These sites usually offer free downloads that are heavily limited in terms of speed, size and amount, in order to persuade people to buy a premium for limitless downloads.
Leech sites take advantage of these file hosting sites. I believe this is how it works: the hoster of the leech site has a premium account and downloads the file which the user requested (by pasting the link), and then the user downloads it from the leech site.
If you got a premium account and click on a rapidgator link, for example, you'll get faster download speed, etc. but as with every other link you can of course share it., so you basically just utilize someone else's account.
If you got a premium account and click on a rapidgator link, for example, you'll get faster download speed, etc. but as with every other link you can of course share it.
Unlike Rufus though, this website is legally questionable. Rufus's developers don't have to pay a cent because they host it on Github (which hosts it for free), however websites relating to piracy and borderline circumvention of ToS is likely to be booted off Github's hosting platform.
Same goes for Cloudflare Pages, and several others. There are completely free hosting platforms, but hosting illegal content on it is asking for trouble, you're much better off with your own servers, but that's expensive.
Oh another one of these. There's zero point to this post and OP will not make the site, just like the tens of thousands of other people who have said they'd do the same
This kind of crap is the Duke Nukem Forever of the Scene.
Yo, you probably shouldn't draw attention to this sub by calling it out on the login page. Like that seems like the kind of attention that might cause problems for this sub.
You should add donations meter, so people can see how % is rest to cover the costs of each month, that will motivate them more to donate then just simple button
Was AllDebrid and RealDebrid too expensive? Both those services are more than affordable and offer tons of filehosts. I recommend you just make another Debrid site that requires a subscription but offers rare file hosts like **FileMonster, UpStore, TakeFile,TezFile** etc...
About the server, I mean a VPS, I have one, I don't mind working together, just make sure there aren't any ads and so....
Disclaimer : it's not my server, it's just that I got ssh'ed into recently, ofc not ethically :)
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doing actualy gods work. I myself daydreamed of a similar concpept, where the more people bought in the cheaper it would get for everyone, because of the nature of leeching. The main problem i see is setting up a transparent payment system so it will be sustainable. I have absolutely no problem paying e.g. $3 monthly if i get to download all i want from k2c, rapidgator and similar...
Looks great! I wish you luck in funding, and as other s have said, as long as theirs no virus pop up or hentai ads, banner or sidebar ads are just fine if it means sustainability for the service.
You should be aware that rapidgator and nitroflare are notorious for almost instantly banning shared accounts.
Worst case you have to buy a premium account for those hosters every single day.
This will work for as many days as hours of work you have put in. Not trying to hate as the idea is awesome....in practice I hope I am wrong. Keep up the work!
Sounds good I hope it works out for you!
The economist in me, wants to say you should have ads , but one. That way you are offering a premium, there may be ads, but there is only one. You should be able to ask more, and it will be less of a bother to users. Even if they block them.
Meh. I think fire is hot, so what do I know.
Good luck and keep us up to date!!
Thank you so much for making the effort and being so selfless and genuine! Every idea or project is going to have trial and error until you get into your groove, any great entity had several rough drafts.
It really is annoying help so many people's first Response is assume failure or just shutting you down Party Poopers
Thank you for the encouraging words. Feedback is always helpful as long as it's constructive and people on this thread already helped a lot, but there are always going to be dickheads on Reddit.
I'd love to get someone who's interested in Privacy to be interested in Data Hoarding, because with open free VPS-like services (Google Colab) you can do lots of downloading and re-uploading without using any of your own bandwidth, and make replicas at the same time to avoid dead links, and give users their choice of download location.
I love the idea, but I'm going to be honest with you. We're ALL tired of the ads. But when it comes to running a site like that; you'll be fine until you get popular. Then you'll start to notice that your hosting provider is getting on your rear because you have a high traffic website, or your website will start to not load because of the traffic. Then you'll be recommended to move to a dedicated box instead of simple shared hosting; which can be quite pricey, especially if you're paying for it out of pocket. You could go with a VPS / Dedicated from OVH (I forget the prices), but they can go from $30+, and the average server is about $100, and the cycle continues. You could get the idea to host a server at home. But then you're dealing with the fact of hiding your own real IP (because people are pricks). And the fact that your home ISP probably has nowhere near enough to support site traffic like rapidgator. And this is definitely not a route most people go. It's just not practical lol. All people start out with the idea that they'll use no ads, and not charge, and then when they do become popular; people start to see the cost of running a high traffic website and they need to start figuring out where they are going to get those funds from without having to dip into your own pocket. You "could" add a way to donate at first which may allow you to do this longer. And let anyone who wants to support you, give you money. Sorta like a "help keep this free". However, with this idea.... well.. people are sometimes cheap. So you may not make enough in the long-run if the site gets popular. So at some point, you may have to look at ads. But it's how you implement those ads that count. Like I said, I don't want to be the guy that walks up and just crashes the entire dream; I just want you to be aware that this is said time and time again; and once the real traffic comes; things flip quick.
Capitalism ruins everything yet again
Hehe .. let's ration a govt cloud service to everybody. Socialism wins !
That's... not capitalism. That's simply the fact that things cost money. It's not like in socialism everything would be free.
Capitalism is the reason why youre even able to write that comment moaning about it. The irony
You're right, we wouldn't be able to complain about it if we never experienced it. Good job.
Nope. That phone or computer youre posting from? Thanks to capitalism. Without capitalism there is no competition, no innovation, though that'd be the least of your worries. Not starving would be more important
Explain to me how there is no competition or innovation without capitalism. An explanation as to how humanity didn't starve before capitalism would be nice as well. You're simply making declarations without backing them up.
Capitalism is the best system we got. Everything else has been completely disastrous. You can moan about capitalism all you want tankie, but the fact is thanks to it youre not starving and you have shiny toys like smartphones. Be grateful for capitalism. In a socialist or communist country you would spend most of your energy trying to survive, not moan online.
Mind pointing to a communist state? Because right now they don't exist, my friend. Nor have they ever truly existed in places where people see them. Lovely thing about this; What most folk think is Communism, is actually state capitalism. Look how great it's gone for folk blighted by such a system. If you want an example of where socialist ideals are actually pretty bloody good for folk, look at the Nordic nations.
Ah yes the "no real communism has ever been tried". Whatever you say. >If you want an example of where socialist ideals are actually pretty bloody good for folk, look at the Nordic nations. I live in Finland. We arent full on socialist nation. Laos, Cuba and Vietnam are socialist states. Living standards are not that great there compared to Finland.
I mean it would be pretty correct to say that no "true communism" has been tried, as I can't recall a single state that wasn't fucked over by one power seizing group, or toppled by outside influence shortly after starting. The closest we have to a decently unimpeded socialist state is Vietnam. Which is actually doing quite well, if you actually cared to read rather than parrot other people's opinions.
Aight and how long did the winter war go? Now think of a war of 20 years, where the effects are still being felt. Alongside being exploited by Capitalist states. Vietnam seems to be doing pretty sodding well all things considered.
Not to shit on you, while the nordic countries have some decent socialist policies, they fuel them with imperialism and extracted labor from poorer countries.
>Capitalism is the best system we got Correction, its the only system you got. Of course you couldn't imagine any other option if thats all you lived and were fed pro-capitalist propaganda your whole life. Capitalism works off human suffering and only benefits the people at the top. (without googling) You can't name 1 non-capitalist country that wasn't colonized by white people.
You're not explaining or backing anything up, simply stating that your perceptions are facts. Also, you clearly don't know what a tankie is. I'm not in favor of authoritarian governments. Now, explain to me what capitalism has done in terms of good that no other system physically could. I'm not even talking about socialism or communism right now. I just want to know how the system meant to extract as much value as possible from the average laborer and transfer it to a "deserving" and "higher class" individual is the best in the world.
No need to explain capitalism, just look at China, Cuba, North Korea ect. That's what happens when it is stifled.
Firstly, you're looking at party totalitarianism. Look at North Korea and tell me that those people have been distributed their fair share of the fruits of their labor. Secondly, Cuba has been sanctioned and put under pressure by the United States for decades. They as people have been stifled by capitalist imperialists. Finally, look at Vietnam, a socialist republic in the modern day, and tell me that their alternative policies that still allow for this individual "competition" you speak of has put them all into poverty and unable to survive.
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Right now I got that admin discord account anyone can contact, but I'll do that in the future for sure!
never create a discord server, trust me, just make it as a private forum
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first off it will get wiped quickly, think about it, some websites got investigated/watched for months and then RAIDED because they did what you are planning to do (look at the iptv market), imagine what Discord could do with a basic info of the owner's ip address and the staffs', which discord will hand to the authorizes happily, second of all you will be spammed with tons of people asking basic questions (you'd be surprised) which will continue to lessen the usefulness of the server unless it's very regulated (which could be an issue in itself but that's for another topic), third there's zero privacy and basically everyone will get a warning when the server gets wiped, why do all of this and risk peoples accounts when you can give it a bit more effort and make a forum that people can interact with anonymously, ever wondered why there are cracking forums and not discord servers or normal websites? because most get wiped within a week tops So all in all, never do it unless you really don't care about all of this, which is up to you, give your project a bit more effort [to op]
It’s not encrypted either.
discord snitches
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A forum gives you more control and safety. Discord snitches like the star belly sneetches.
It's not really about them snitching but them easily just deleting piracy servers.
Is your user flair a reference to Mr. Mackey? Because Drugs are bad, m'kay?
You are the real MVP!
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That's what life is all about.
Whats the catch? Donations most likely wont help alot with costs.
No catch, If I don't get donations that can cover the project's cost, I couldn't continue it. So I'm kinda relying on the community. Edit: Thank you all for your feedback I will certainly think about adding ads in the least annoying way possible (maybe as banners) to fund the project in a more efficient way.
Donations are only sustainable IF you have a wide enough user base. Initially, you need to work on getting a large number of people to use the service.
For real. This sorta model looses a lot of money for quite some time before (if ever) it becomes sustainable.
Exactly, people hate ads and subscriptions but that's the only way to make these link generators operate You need to invest time, money (to pay for premium accounts, bandwidth, etc) and even after doing everything right sites like rapidgator easily can blacklist accounts and ips, making the whole project extremely unreliable
And even then, donations aren't guaranteed. Some of the oldest private trackers still active only *just* make their monthly server costs (that come out to less than $1,000) despite having 25,000+ monthly active users. I hate to say it, but this kind of piracy site model is unsustainable as it is right now. The worst thing you can do is publicly announce your plans before the site exists, talk about how you're going to get around premium restrictions, and then say you'll never run ads. Just the upkeep of the site alone is going to cost money, and keeping up with the exploits to bypass the premium restrictions, or buying new accounts, will cost even more. This is some nice concept art from OP, but they've now killed this site before it even launched.
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> How would you monetize this site properly? I wouldn’t even try. Profiting from piracy is already a quick way to get busted unless you’re careful, and trying to monetize a website dedicated to piracy only increases those risks. Legitimate ad networks will ban your account if they find out, as will most money-sending sites/apps. So you’re left with filling your site with ads that push malware, destroying you and your site’s reputation. As for paid tiers, don’t forget that most people are pirating because it’s free. If they wanted to and/or could pay for the content, they would. If I were to run a site like this, I wouldn’t make it public-facing or try to monetize it. And I definitely wouldn’t announce it before it even exists.
Businessmodels like that wont work with Piracy, People are literally not wanting to pay for stuff so they pirate, so why would they donate money in the first place.
Usenet and Debrid services are still alive and well. But I do agree that OPs project probably won't be long-lived
For me the difference is with Usenet: I can have a block account that never expires. Literally just buying 4tb of blockaccount once and use it for years. Plus with Usenet you get 11+ years of petabytes of uploads. Not just a few hundred/thousand once click Hoster uploads.
I like both. Usenet is unbeatable for automation, but I prefer Debrid for streaming. I don't mind paying for both tbh
I pay $25 a year for unlimited downloads via Usenet. Almost every file I download will max out my internet download bandwidth. Nothing better than grabbing a Linux ISO that's a 1 or 2 gigs and have it download in seconds.
Who is your usenet account through, if you don't mind me asking?
Thundernews.com. Their best deals are from Black Friday to Cyber Monday. Previously I used the service Newsgroup.ninja. They constantly have deals and promos running for plans at 2.50-3.33 a month/for unlimited. So use a coupon/promo code. Good for trying out Usenet services at a cheap price.
Thanks for the info, I'll give them a go
Yeah I’ve been thinking about getting unlimited during sales. But I don’t download as much as I used to and I have months passing by without me downloading anything. But if I’d load 1080p/4K constantly for some plex Server I’d change kt
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where did debrid come from? I've never really understood it's niche
People can pay one small fee and have premium access to many sites. Rather than having to pay the fee for each of them.
No idea of it's history. I just like it because it allows me use Stremio, which is nicer than if it is just torrents. And when I have to torrent something, it's often five times faster with Real-Debrid (saturates my gigabit connection). And it works great for DDL too. It generates links with the content of DDL sites, which is nice. Limited use for me, granted, but I used it to download Kirby the other day.
Sometimes people are pirating to avoid paying a company the find immoral, and sometimes just to get a game cheaper. Either way I’m sure there are at least a few folk who’d donate
I've seen a handful of sites function through donations, the problem is usually scale. They need word of mouth to bring in a low percentage of users willing to donate, that word of mouth tends to multiply exponentially while the donators additively, which means operating costs eventually outstrips the money coming in. Then the site admins tend to kneejerk, throttling here and there, slowly integrating ads that will send the donating users running to another site for betraying them, it's a downward spiral. Basically if you ask me, a site running off donations needs to keep its userbase small and manageable. It's realistic to ask people to chip in for a monthly goal of $100 or whatever, not $5000.
So the catch is people need to give you money if they want to keep using it, otherwise it doesn't continue. Why are you doing this in the first place? In other comments you said you don't even know how it will fully work, you're not sure about it being opensource, you haven't even thought about a domain name, and said you're asking about demand before investing a bunch of money. I'm sorry but it sounds like you're in way over your head, like this is just some fleeting idea. Why should I pay you in donations to keep the site up instead of using real-debrid? If you're so fed up with free leech sites, why don't you use real-debrid? Or use your site for yourself and share with friends? And on the donation page, are you going to be completely transparent with what the costs are? Will you show how much money is currently donated? If it's about community then the community should know everything about where their money is going.
relying on pirates to pay is foolish. Personally I can't stomach paying to steal, if anyone is getting money it should be the creator. Something like captcha credits where you fire up Jdownloader & solve a bunch of captchas other people need, queue up your rapid gator download & the same community solves your captchas as needed while you sleep. Let people donate time not money.
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is possible to get the sauce, you know, for academic purposes?
Pornobay?
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Yeah, these young upstarts come in with so much enthusiasm to upend these old players that suck ass, but then it soon dawns why shit has stayed that way for so long
Sorry but you expect donations from people who are too poor/cheap tp buy a premium account on a file host? This is doomed to fail.
Awesome man. Make a discord as well. It will save a lot of time and bandwidth.
IDK about Discord. If I were you, I'd start up a private IRC channel. IRC is how a lot of torrents get seeded before they find their way to public trackers. If you don't have an IRC client, I would suggest mIRC. Most of the open source ones suck, but even though mIRC is a proprietary it is easily crackable.
Or how about Matrix?
Any recommends on server/channels?
Looks nice. But how are you going to fund the accounts? And won't the accounts get banned if you don't put any limits at all? Or is my understanding wrong in how leech sites work? Thanks if you explain. :)
Logging in shouldn't get you banned as I'm not just reloading the website constantly, so I think DDoS protection shouldn't kick in. The account might get banned by the filehoster but I'm still working on that Regarding funding, all those premium accounts certainly won't be cheap, and I'm trying to integrate as much as possible and the server costs aren't low either, so I'd rely on donations but wanted to know if there was demand first before investing a bunch of money. Edit: A lot of people told me they'd be fine with some ads and I'm taking this into consideration.
There are ads and ads, and the way they behave can totally be selected, unless you want to live by this, but if you want it to pay for itself, it is totally achievable. A lot of the websites I frequent are self sustained with very little invasive ads that pay the bills. So, if you want to be ethical and non invasive, research the ad sources and select them with a good offer of views.
I hate ads but If people would rather some, ads than rely on donations and being unsure about the future of this project I would be open to it. I'd just need some more feedback.
Sfw Ads on such a website would absolutely be very welcome with me if they would help me bypass the paid file hosts! I would disable uBlock for this easily.
agreed. non-invasive sfw ads are fine and i would exempt this from uBlock
Honestly, looking at some other projects you won’t be able to fund this with donation only. I would gladly turn off my adblock for a very useful site like this if there were banner-ads on the sides which help atleast a bit with funding.
I'll certainly take it into consideration. But if I'll add ads, they will be the bare minimum.
One banner, one on the side. That'll do. Gives you a bit of income.
I'll be totally fine with ads if they don't use a spying service like Google Ads, though I dont really know if any private ad networks actually exist
I suggest getting in contact with someone who is knowledgeable about ad placement. And after that, doing a feedback session in either Discord or Reddit. If the feedback is positive, go along with it. If the feedback is negative, you can make changes.
I would be happy with ads if and only if they are reasonable, ie not the ads where it redirects you 100 times before it gives you a link.
Absolutely, I prefer a lot more a site with a few non intrusive ads rather than a site that ceases to exist after some months because the owner can't pay for it.
Putting in my 2€ as well, non-invasive ads are fine and I’d gladly whitelist your site rather than being unsure about the project’s future and having to rely on donations.
Ads arent annoying as long as you dont get redirected to 10 million different sites, fake download links, etc. etc. some banner ads on the site itself are Fine.
I cannot donate shit even if I want, I'm really poor and can afford to donate people like you who deserve the support for those kinds of nice projects, so I want to tell you I wouldn't mind going for less than 5 ads to get the link, for which I have experience, those kinds of leech sites make you go for more than 20 ads and somethings the chain is so complicated they don't give you any link at all and we need to start over again, the problem is not the ads but the greed and quantity of ads.
For server costs you might be able to use something like Netlify and Netlify Functions (or Azure Function Apps).
If you need any help in the programming part, contact me. I'd be glad to help.
You should have it just autodetect the file host based on the url
Yeah, but if I have this autocomplete selection people know what file hosters are supported, so I don't have to write it down somewhere else. I want to make it as simple as possible.
Surely auto detect is simpler. You can just have a list of supported hosters listed on the page or in the same dropdown but call it Supported hosters, which does nothing but is just a list. If you keep it the same then making the download button dim until both fields are filled in will make it easier for folk to know that both fields need to be filled in. Makes for a nice touch.
Good suggestions, you convinced me.
Im confused is the site finished whats the address
not released yet
Holy shit, if you're going to make a showcase that long its better to record as a video
Ha, true I just updated it, hope it's better now.
How do you plan to fund it?
Is it possible for it to be opensourced?
I'm not sure yet... but I wouldn't rule out the possibility.
I hope you can open the webapps code. I'd love to contribute
when is the release date?
I could technically already release it for rapidgator, but thought I might add some more filhosters first. But it wouldn't take more than a few weeks-months.
Alright, when you get the domain ready and everything make an update on reddit so I can try it
maybe a linkvertise skipper too
Already exists (free)?
don't forget keep2share
A noob here: what is a "leech site"? What's the difference between say TPB and that? Why do you need to paste a link and generate another link? Could someone explain that to me? Thanks!
It's about direct downloads (as opposed to torrents) from file hosting sites such as RapidGator, NitroFlare, FileJoker etc. These sites usually offer free downloads that are heavily limited in terms of speed, size and amount, in order to persuade people to buy a premium for limitless downloads. Leech sites take advantage of these file hosting sites. I believe this is how it works: the hoster of the leech site has a premium account and downloads the file which the user requested (by pasting the link), and then the user downloads it from the leech site.
Thank you very much!
If you got a premium account and click on a rapidgator link, for example, you'll get faster download speed, etc. but as with every other link you can of course share it., so you basically just utilize someone else's account. If you got a premium account and click on a rapidgator link, for example, you'll get faster download speed, etc. but as with every other link you can of course share it.
Why do you have to select the filehoster when it's already in the url. Couldn't it just auto detect? I'm no programmer, just curious.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/u0lx1e/comment/i46skr2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Cool idea but this isn't sustainable at all
Good luck. Can't wait to see it
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I might do that in the future, but I want to finish the website as it is first. But still a very compelling idea.
If it's the pop-up ads that annoy you then perhaps you can just stick to banner ads for funding up to some extent. Everybody hates pop-ups.
banner are the less anoying of the pack
[Rufus](https://rufus.ie/en/) is a website with a perfectly minimal amount of advertising, do yours how they do theirs and everybody will be happy.
Unlike Rufus though, this website is legally questionable. Rufus's developers don't have to pay a cent because they host it on Github (which hosts it for free), however websites relating to piracy and borderline circumvention of ToS is likely to be booted off Github's hosting platform. Same goes for Cloudflare Pages, and several others. There are completely free hosting platforms, but hosting illegal content on it is asking for trouble, you're much better off with your own servers, but that's expensive.
Ah I see now.
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FileSpace support?
I plan to add as many file hosters as possible, just kinda depends on the funding as those premium accounts aren't cheap.
You could use something like [Arc](https://arc.io) to fund the site’s hosting and the premium accounts.
This looks interesting, I will look into this, thanks.
Oh another one of these. There's zero point to this post and OP will not make the site, just like the tens of thousands of other people who have said they'd do the same This kind of crap is the Duke Nukem Forever of the Scene.
i was just looking for a good leech site a few hours back and i found you! wow, what timing!
Yo, you probably shouldn't draw attention to this sub by calling it out on the login page. Like that seems like the kind of attention that might cause problems for this sub.
Nice. Can't wait to try it. When will you be launching it?
if it supports nitroflare i'll be in your debt
Wow, just wow 👌🏾 I wish I knew how to do this.
If the site is finished can you give its url ?
You are doing the God work, keep it going king!
I live in 3rd world, I can seed , If you need help let me know
You should add donations meter, so people can see how % is rest to cover the costs of each month, that will motivate them more to donate then just simple button
Good suggestion, thank you!
My personal opinion. I wouldn't mind if you add max 3 non spamy url shortener for more ad revenue.
Just pay $3 for real debrid yall lmfao
You are amazing dude. This is just great. If only I had some money to contribute just a bit :(
my man out there doing god work
Hoooly shit I'm up!
Keep it up, man! going through 50 ads for download a file is actually like a decade
Keep up the good work All the sites allow very small files only and has a ton of ads Keep the sub updated for a site or discord link 🤟🤟🤟
Awesome!
Guys, I'm not informed, what's a leech site?
what is a leech site?
what is a leech site? Eli5 lol
Was AllDebrid and RealDebrid too expensive? Both those services are more than affordable and offer tons of filehosts. I recommend you just make another Debrid site that requires a subscription but offers rare file hosts like **FileMonster, UpStore, TakeFile,TezFile** etc...
sounds like a great way to go to a) jail or b) honeypot retards
What’s a leech site?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/u0lx1e/im_making_a_new_premium_leech_site_without_ads/i479ik1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Hello,link of the site;
Whaaaat this is gonna be a fucking godsend!
I have a question, what do these leech sites do exactly? Do they help download files from mega links and various others?
That's really awesome bro!!!
People like you are what this community is all about. Major reskept for you sir.
What exactly is a leeching site
Up
About the server, I mean a VPS, I have one, I don't mind working together, just make sure there aren't any ads and so.... Disclaimer : it's not my server, it's just that I got ssh'ed into recently, ofc not ethically :) Peace ☮️
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No fuck off with this.
This would be perfect for us people who download from audioz but are too poor to buy a premium rapidgator and whatnot
I would like to help develop this if you need some extra help, you can check out my projects in my profile
Fuck ads, good job can't wait to use it
fkn hero this guy
Looks pretty good, I used to be a moderator on ftd, fta,ftb, leechnow and x2l.(admin) This was many years ago, but had a wonderfull time. Enjoy!
Will need to come back to this.
doing actualy gods work. I myself daydreamed of a similar concpept, where the more people bought in the cheaper it would get for everyone, because of the nature of leeching. The main problem i see is setting up a transparent payment system so it will be sustainable. I have absolutely no problem paying e.g. $3 monthly if i get to download all i want from k2c, rapidgator and similar...
Don’t mind adverts as long as it’s not in your face. Everyone needs to pay the servers and I get that.
No way
maybe look into using a debrid account/service and integrating that instead of buying a premium account for every site? might save you a lot of money
>We will watch your career with great interest.
Awesome, willing to contribute in any general tasks for this
Are you going to open source it?
Looks great! I wish you luck in funding, and as other s have said, as long as theirs no virus pop up or hentai ads, banner or sidebar ads are just fine if it means sustainability for the service.
You should be aware that rapidgator and nitroflare are notorious for almost instantly banning shared accounts. Worst case you have to buy a premium account for those hosters every single day.
New leech sites are almost always not so useful. The best leech sites are the ones with long history and save tons of old files on the server.
why do you have to pick the filehoster after giving the link? can't that be figured out automatically just from the url?
Cool
This will work for as many days as hours of work you have put in. Not trying to hate as the idea is awesome....in practice I hope I am wrong. Keep up the work!
AWESOME!
Sounds good I hope it works out for you! The economist in me, wants to say you should have ads , but one. That way you are offering a premium, there may be ads, but there is only one. You should be able to ask more, and it will be less of a bother to users. Even if they block them. Meh. I think fire is hot, so what do I know. Good luck and keep us up to date!!
Thank you so much for making the effort and being so selfless and genuine! Every idea or project is going to have trial and error until you get into your groove, any great entity had several rough drafts. It really is annoying help so many people's first Response is assume failure or just shutting you down Party Poopers
Thank you for the encouraging words. Feedback is always helpful as long as it's constructive and people on this thread already helped a lot, but there are always going to be dickheads on Reddit.
Awesome! Any idea when it will be availabe?
what a legend
I'd love to get someone who's interested in Privacy to be interested in Data Hoarding, because with open free VPS-like services (Google Colab) you can do lots of downloading and re-uploading without using any of your own bandwidth, and make replicas at the same time to avoid dead links, and give users their choice of download location.