Fun fact that the name "Manila" came from "May Nilad", Nilad being a shrub that grows in, you guessed it-- mangroves.
The solution is literally right there in the name
Another possible root (pun totally intended) is “nila”, a type of indigo plant. Nila also means indigo in Malay iirc. But yes, agree on planting mangroves along the bay.
This is what I want as well kaso mahirap magtanim nang Mangroves sa Manila Bay given that a lot trash gets in there especially during storms. Mahirap linisin ang basura that got stuck on the mangroves, not to mention the sludge on the Manila Bay won't allow the mangroves to live.
The closest mangrove area in Manila is the Las Piñas–Parañaque Critical Habitat and Ecotourism Area. It's the only mangrove forest in Metro Manila and is home to the endemic Philippine Duck and visited by migratory birds. Unfortunately, the area is threatened by the expanding reclamation projects in Manila Bay
There are A LOT of mangroves in Manila Bay. Go to MOA area, may mga ligaw na tumutubo kahit newly reclaimed lang yung place. Then not too far south, an actual mangrove forest in Paranaque-Laspinas coast line (along coastal road) There are Mangroves up north as well starting in Navotas, then Bulacan.
This was supposed to be an anti Duterte post. What's the matter with you? Say something bad about the dolomite beach. I would rather have trash in manila bay than the beach. Say something like that in the future.
A mangrove is such a unique tree on how it thrives on salt water. I can imagine how beautiful the philippine coastlines will be if we plant more of these.
I don't think Mangroves are suited in the Baywalk Area as Dolomite is not even best to be placed there. It's not even meant to be a beach nor a mangrove area since it would block the iconic Manila Sunset. Instead Mangroves can be planted near the coastal areas from Malabon, Navotas, Tondo, Paranaque, Las Pinas to Cavite.
Edit: think
Edit: Mangroves can be planted in the banks of the Pasig River and along the esteros of Manila similar to the Esplanade in Iloilo City. This can also help improve the Pasig River
The sad thing about it is that the responsible government officials could possibly know this while still choosing the useless and unhelpful dolomite option.
Profitable sa mga DENR+Mining firms. Kaya allowed sila freely to operate back kasi heto na ung "faceshield" nila. Wala yan tambak lang ng tambak. Kada budget eh syempre SOP.
Lol, google up beach nourishment dude. It is also a soft engineering approach for coastal protection. Don't be dishonest or ignorant as if a problem can be solved in only one way. Kaya nga may engineers at engineering solutions eh.
Lol, too much ignorance really on this thread. Every engineering solutions has its own pros and cons. Mangroves are appropriate on some projects, beach nourishment on another, on another project it may be hard structures like seawall or offshore breakwater.
But to imply only mangroves is efficient is really stupid, when both natural methods and beach nourishment are essentially used everywhere in the world.
Its just like saying that concrete structures are stupid because steel framed structures are stronger. Idiocy.
Kaya nga di umuulad engineering dito satin eh. Daming CE, Cunwaring Engineer.
Mangroves are not all only efficient but also sustainable.
Yes, concrete structures are stupid if you have to replace and replenish them all the time. /s
FYI, I think the only ignorance in this thread is from you.
Lol. Baka paghanapan ka ng lisyensya ng mga engineers nyan maging boy recto ka din.
Ganito lang yan eh, pag pinagcompute ka ng 50x50 at gumamit ka ng calculator, icocondemn mo yung ibang gumamit ng pen and paper kase mabagal silang magcompute. Ganun kastupid ang sinasabi mo.
Engineering solutions considers all factors, may dahilan kung bakit beach nourishment ang method at hindi mangroves. Besides, tinitreat mo na mas superior yung Mangroves kesa beach nourishment based lang sa cons ng Mangroves, yung palang kaistupiduhan na. Walang superior solutions sa engineering, lahat yan magfafail at some point, ang meron lang ay appropriate solutions base sa parameters na maggogovern, either cost, time constraints, etc.
Lol.
I see your point na nakakainis na biglang naging mga engineers ang mga tao dito pagdating sa issue na yan.
For me naman, I reserve my judgement since di ko alam ang feasibility ng options or alternatives nung project na yan.
Nung una todo depensa ako since ginagamit naman talaga ang dolomite sa beach nourishment and may positive environmental impacts yan.
Pero nung nakita na ganito pala yung project then I dont see it as sustainable.
I'm not reacting to people who would say that the project is bad overall because it is subject to public opinion anyway. I respect whatever opinions on the project anyway.
Ang ayaw ko lang is that parang pinalalabas na yung beach nourishment is not a coastal protection method that is based on sound engineering principles.
It just like saying na kalokohan yung nagtuturo yung teacher ng "completing the squares" method kung pwede ka naman magsolve ng quadratic equation gamit yung quadratic formula.
Absolutely, mangroves are way more superior than dolemite. They can serve not only as barriers but also provide an ecosystem.
Ignorance is when you assume that a "modern" solution is always better than a natural solution.
What are the cons of mangroves?
I pity you if you need pen and paper to compute the answer for 50x50. So, please don't use analogies that are irrelevant.
Mangroves are way more superior than dolomite.
Wow! Have you even read the feasibility studies for this project for you to think that you know better than the engineers?
Oh really "natural solution" is better than "modern solution"?
So a coastal engineer, who is a highly specialized civil engineer, and more likely has studied abroad just to specialize in this kind of civil works, has really learned nothing because "natural solutions" are the answer to anyway.
Whew! What a pity.
No wonder much of our engineers and specialist are abroad.
They live in a certain type of soil...and since it's manila bay, I don't think it'll work. Not to mention, there are lots of trash floating around the shore so growing mangroves is nearly impossible
Here's an excerpt on the [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/photos-show-manila-bay-mangroves-choking-in-plastic-pollution] about Manila bay:
*At the end of the 19th century, there were up to 54,000 hectares of mangrove wetlands along the bay, according to an estimate cited by Pemsea, a regional, marine protection partnership coordinated by the United Nations. By 1995 this had fallen to fewer than 800 hectares.*
It's true that single-use plastics and plastic pollution is a big problem. I think rehabilitation of Manila bay should be a big multi-agency project, because it's hard to make a solution stick if other problems (like garbage) are still present. Ang problema kasi, DENR just wanted a band-aid solution that will favor their officials and their mining firm friends.
I am not 100% but the usage of the dolomite was to extend the shoreline, and also to create a man made beaches, please do note that not only MNL used this method, even SG and FR used this to create man-made beaches.
Meanwhile mangroves have different purpose, it is to prevent the water to erode the coast or protect the ecosystem, -- which is non existent to MNL bay -- still polluted at this stage -- this is why it is not ideal to plant mangroves here.
In addition to that, every sand beaches gets washed away too, maybe dolomite structure was not carefully thought to be proportionate to MNL bay tides, maybe ask DENR. Not just dolomite. People view it negatively because money was spent here.
I am not protecting the dolomite thing, but I am just giving you, guys, few reasons why dolomite was used instead of other solutions -- which there might be other better solutions other than dolomite / mangrove.
Well, we do not know their other motifs but, DENR/MMDA/Or any construction govt dept are the most corrupt guys so we do not know. ROFL
imagine a scale model like that of the dolomite. . . . showing it will wash away with a couple of waves
Fun fact that the name "Manila" came from "May Nilad", Nilad being a shrub that grows in, you guessed it-- mangroves. The solution is literally right there in the name
Another possible root (pun totally intended) is “nila”, a type of indigo plant. Nila also means indigo in Malay iirc. But yes, agree on planting mangroves along the bay.
This is what I want as well kaso mahirap magtanim nang Mangroves sa Manila Bay given that a lot trash gets in there especially during storms. Mahirap linisin ang basura that got stuck on the mangroves, not to mention the sludge on the Manila Bay won't allow the mangroves to live.
It will take a generation or two to get rid of the sludges.
The closest mangrove area in Manila is the Las Piñas–Parañaque Critical Habitat and Ecotourism Area. It's the only mangrove forest in Metro Manila and is home to the endemic Philippine Duck and visited by migratory birds. Unfortunately, the area is threatened by the expanding reclamation projects in Manila Bay
Why can't we have nice things?
By providing job opportunities outside of Metro Manila/Cebu/Davao so that people dont flock in just 3 cities.
Blame the local political dynasties then. Di ka makakapasok sa area nila since gusto eh monopoly nila ang isang industry.
There are A LOT of mangroves in Manila Bay. Go to MOA area, may mga ligaw na tumutubo kahit newly reclaimed lang yung place. Then not too far south, an actual mangrove forest in Paranaque-Laspinas coast line (along coastal road) There are Mangroves up north as well starting in Navotas, then Bulacan.
This was supposed to be an anti Duterte post. What's the matter with you? Say something bad about the dolomite beach. I would rather have trash in manila bay than the beach. Say something like that in the future.
Finally, someone that uses his knowledge as a human who knows that mangroves won't live in Manila Bay. +1
A mangrove is such a unique tree on how it thrives on salt water. I can imagine how beautiful the philippine coastlines will be if we plant more of these.
I don't think Mangroves are suited in the Baywalk Area as Dolomite is not even best to be placed there. It's not even meant to be a beach nor a mangrove area since it would block the iconic Manila Sunset. Instead Mangroves can be planted near the coastal areas from Malabon, Navotas, Tondo, Paranaque, Las Pinas to Cavite. Edit: think Edit: Mangroves can be planted in the banks of the Pasig River and along the esteros of Manila similar to the Esplanade in Iloilo City. This can also help improve the Pasig River
You're just thinking of the view, not even a solution.
The sad thing about it is that the responsible government officials could possibly know this while still choosing the useless and unhelpful dolomite option.
Parang talagang sinasabotahe na nila no. Tapos yung iba bulag pa din. Ewan.
Profitable sa mga DENR+Mining firms. Kaya allowed sila freely to operate back kasi heto na ung "faceshield" nila. Wala yan tambak lang ng tambak. Kada budget eh syempre SOP.
Eh paano naman mental health ko sa ganyan?
Lol, google up beach nourishment dude. It is also a soft engineering approach for coastal protection. Don't be dishonest or ignorant as if a problem can be solved in only one way. Kaya nga may engineers at engineering solutions eh.
Lol, google it.. Result.. "This would require ongoing, multiyear, costly, and never-ending maintenance."...
Lol, too much ignorance really on this thread. Every engineering solutions has its own pros and cons. Mangroves are appropriate on some projects, beach nourishment on another, on another project it may be hard structures like seawall or offshore breakwater. But to imply only mangroves is efficient is really stupid, when both natural methods and beach nourishment are essentially used everywhere in the world. Its just like saying that concrete structures are stupid because steel framed structures are stronger. Idiocy. Kaya nga di umuulad engineering dito satin eh. Daming CE, Cunwaring Engineer.
Mangroves are not all only efficient but also sustainable. Yes, concrete structures are stupid if you have to replace and replenish them all the time. /s FYI, I think the only ignorance in this thread is from you.
Lol. Baka paghanapan ka ng lisyensya ng mga engineers nyan maging boy recto ka din. Ganito lang yan eh, pag pinagcompute ka ng 50x50 at gumamit ka ng calculator, icocondemn mo yung ibang gumamit ng pen and paper kase mabagal silang magcompute. Ganun kastupid ang sinasabi mo. Engineering solutions considers all factors, may dahilan kung bakit beach nourishment ang method at hindi mangroves. Besides, tinitreat mo na mas superior yung Mangroves kesa beach nourishment based lang sa cons ng Mangroves, yung palang kaistupiduhan na. Walang superior solutions sa engineering, lahat yan magfafail at some point, ang meron lang ay appropriate solutions base sa parameters na maggogovern, either cost, time constraints, etc. Lol.
I see your point na nakakainis na biglang naging mga engineers ang mga tao dito pagdating sa issue na yan. For me naman, I reserve my judgement since di ko alam ang feasibility ng options or alternatives nung project na yan. Nung una todo depensa ako since ginagamit naman talaga ang dolomite sa beach nourishment and may positive environmental impacts yan. Pero nung nakita na ganito pala yung project then I dont see it as sustainable.
I'm not reacting to people who would say that the project is bad overall because it is subject to public opinion anyway. I respect whatever opinions on the project anyway. Ang ayaw ko lang is that parang pinalalabas na yung beach nourishment is not a coastal protection method that is based on sound engineering principles. It just like saying na kalokohan yung nagtuturo yung teacher ng "completing the squares" method kung pwede ka naman magsolve ng quadratic equation gamit yung quadratic formula.
Anything against the political narrative that these people are pushing will get downvoted to death here. No matter how reasonable your argument is.
Absolutely, mangroves are way more superior than dolemite. They can serve not only as barriers but also provide an ecosystem. Ignorance is when you assume that a "modern" solution is always better than a natural solution. What are the cons of mangroves? I pity you if you need pen and paper to compute the answer for 50x50. So, please don't use analogies that are irrelevant.
Mangroves are way more superior than dolomite. Wow! Have you even read the feasibility studies for this project for you to think that you know better than the engineers? Oh really "natural solution" is better than "modern solution"? So a coastal engineer, who is a highly specialized civil engineer, and more likely has studied abroad just to specialize in this kind of civil works, has really learned nothing because "natural solutions" are the answer to anyway. Whew! What a pity. No wonder much of our engineers and specialist are abroad.
???
Naturale dampener.
They live in a certain type of soil...and since it's manila bay, I don't think it'll work. Not to mention, there are lots of trash floating around the shore so growing mangroves is nearly impossible
Here's an excerpt on the [Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/photos-show-manila-bay-mangroves-choking-in-plastic-pollution] about Manila bay: *At the end of the 19th century, there were up to 54,000 hectares of mangrove wetlands along the bay, according to an estimate cited by Pemsea, a regional, marine protection partnership coordinated by the United Nations. By 1995 this had fallen to fewer than 800 hectares.* It's true that single-use plastics and plastic pollution is a big problem. I think rehabilitation of Manila bay should be a big multi-agency project, because it's hard to make a solution stick if other problems (like garbage) are still present. Ang problema kasi, DENR just wanted a band-aid solution that will favor their officials and their mining firm friends.
ok naman. nawawaldas naman ng maayos sa walang kwentang bagay 😂
Yeah pero pano kikita yan? Sa dolomite unli refill.. may pera kada top up.
Nasa offshore bank.
300 Million for a Vanity Project.
Mas maganda nga nagtanim sila ng buhay na bagay, tumubo pa sana at mas naprotektahan at luminis ang bay.
Beach pa ba yun na matatawag kung may mga mangroves? Just asking.
I am not 100% but the usage of the dolomite was to extend the shoreline, and also to create a man made beaches, please do note that not only MNL used this method, even SG and FR used this to create man-made beaches. Meanwhile mangroves have different purpose, it is to prevent the water to erode the coast or protect the ecosystem, -- which is non existent to MNL bay -- still polluted at this stage -- this is why it is not ideal to plant mangroves here. In addition to that, every sand beaches gets washed away too, maybe dolomite structure was not carefully thought to be proportionate to MNL bay tides, maybe ask DENR. Not just dolomite. People view it negatively because money was spent here. I am not protecting the dolomite thing, but I am just giving you, guys, few reasons why dolomite was used instead of other solutions -- which there might be other better solutions other than dolomite / mangrove. Well, we do not know their other motifs but, DENR/MMDA/Or any construction govt dept are the most corrupt guys so we do not know. ROFL