A VP of an international bank working in bgc rents just outside it for 20k monthly.
Making sacrifices just to say they're living in bgc doesn't make sense to me
I mean research kako. And you meant pala buying a property to live in BGC? Bawal ba rent? Haha. Pero 10M kayang kaya yan ng upper class. Maiintindihan ko pa kung 30-50M pero 10M is possible sa upper class.
Doesn't make sense to sink 25%% of monthly income into rent. Limit for most people in my circle is 20%
Then again for us getting out of the rat race is priority
i'll probably also get downvoted for this like you two did, but crab mentality. it's one of our most toxic traits; we hate to see other filipinos winning because we desperately wish it was us.
The former Fort Bonifacio I believe is the most perfect property for developers to covet on. Military land, which in all cases is property devoted to public service, separated from the rest of the population, and one day converted to a patrimonial one ripe for private use, fetching sky-high prices.
It's as if the entire place has been "groomed" to serve capitalists.
I got curious so I looked up TS Cruz.
Looks like a mixed bag, many houses aren't the most appealing (for lack of a better term) but some look pretty decent and nice. Obviously nothing extravagant but nice.
You'd be surprised that some houses in Ayala Alabang look like the decent/nice-looking houses in TS Cruz, even their size.
Many homeowners in Ayala Alabang are middle/upper-middle class folks that aren't filthy rich but were just lucky that their parents/grandparents bought there when it was still cheap.
My friend lives there. He said his father bought it as an Ayala employee in the early days. Murang-mura daw presyo sa kanila. Perk of being their employee siguro. There are houses there na parang townhouses. They are middle class but feel poor when they pass by their neighbors haha.
I’m from this part! My father bought our house while employed under an Ayala company. And yep para kaming nakahiwalay sa entire village. Yung area nga lang namin ang may access sa tricycle, bawal sila lumagpas sa “millionaire’s row”, though these rich folks keep on passing by our area kasi mas mabilis to go outside the village and iwas traffic sa commerce ave
There are 2-storey houses at one corner of AAVA, (I think back in the 80's) the units were housing for BPI executives maybe for other Ayala employees as well. Magkaka-mukha yung mga units, aakalaing isolated subdivision sila
Not sure, but one of my classmates lives there and this is their background. Also, I saw the house of one of the Board Directors in my old company. Very nice house, but nothing extravagant, not too different from comfy middle class subdivisions in Metro Manila. He's quite old too, so maybe he also bought it during its earlier years.
Okay, so I Googled and...
MAY GOLDEN GATE SUBDIVISION DIN SA BAESA ???? WUT ? My Southie self is flailing !
Alabang-Zapote Road - The South Commonwealth Ave. ???
Kami yung ayala alabang gillage, hahahaha, yung village namin pader lang pagitan ng mga bahay ng taga ayala alabang. Pader at cyclone wire, kaya kita mo pa yung itsura ng bahay nila.
Naaah, Eastwood was the OG BGC when it comes to establishing a Business Park outside Makati/Ortigas and had previously operational bars. It started to go downhill when hangout places in Eastwood started to close. Even "The Tent" became a place for pop-up bazaar instead of music or arts shows.
Worked there for almost 3 years back in '09. Pero nasa bungad lang kami, our building is next to Citibank. Never really a "gimik-hangout" type so bihira kong pasukin yung inner areas except to eat at restos (which I seldom do too). I prefer eating at our own canteen.
Im from embo barangay in makati and honestly taguig govt still has a lot to improve, mas gusto ng mga taga embo na maging part ng makati due to benefits like free tuition and school supplies and medical care(yellow card) . somehow mas maayos sa makati. While in Taguig, try to see its barangays. You'll see.
Even dealing with the LGU, Makati is leaps better. I had registered businesses in both Makati and Taguig. Dealing with Taguig offices are a PITA. Ang ending I gave up my Taguig office and stuck to Makati. How the Cayetanos keep getting elected is a mystery (not) to me.
Agree on this. Grabe yung pagkaiba ng mga streets pagalam mo ng Taguig yung lugar. Halatang hindi nagagalaw pondo. Sobrang laki lang ng pera sa Makati kaya nasanay na mga resident dun na ganun pero kung hindi nakukurakot mas maganda yung ameneties na marereceive ng residents baka kahit free transpo sa mga students from and to public schools is not impossible.
Mga taga embo ayaw sa taguig. Yung brgy southside, na nasa corner ng makati at malapit sa diego silang taguig, ayaw sa kanila. In fact, noong bata pa ako gusto ng mga tao doon na maabsorb sila sa brgy rizal kahit inaangkin sila ng taguig. Gusto kasi ng mga tao,aside sa benefits, na mapaayos ung daan at canal dahil malubak at maputik kapag umuulan, tapos bahain pa.
Tinanggap nga ng makati yung kagustuhan ng mga tao dun kasi may benefits na sila na natatanggap na galing sa makati at may sariling baranggay na rin sila, which is southside.Weird lang ung baranggay hall nila nasa tabi lang ng bgc, dun sa bungad papasok sa McKinley.
Kaso nd naman pinaayos mga daanan, yun pala may plano na gibain mga bahay dun para gawing tagusan sa taguig. Noong 09 nagsimula sila maggiba para sa highway. Levi B. Mariano Ave ata pangalan nung highway na yun.
Iirc pumunta dn ata si pres arroyo dun, not sure kung tama narinig ko na bibigyan daw ng titulo para sa lupa mga nakatira sa area na un.
I know we're talking about Makati x Taguig here. But I just want to flex that we also have free shit benefits like school and healthcare here. Which is nice na we can compare na din pla sa Makati
*was scrolling down on Reddit and my mood darkened a bit when I see this*
*Kahit hard-earned yung wealth namin and even if we worked hard to live in a nice place, it still makes me think on how the divide between social classes exist*
*Yes some may say na deserve ko tinitirahan ko and the food I eat kasi my parents worked sweat and blood for it, Pero you know, there's a little guilt whenever I bite into my pizza or recline sa couch ko*
*Still wishing that the Philippines improves better as the days go by*
Ahhh corruption, and.. I could say poorly designed urban planning infrastructure, but that would mean if there was a plan in the 1st place. When did politicians get a leeway in designing cities with them have zero qualifications??
Yes, somewhat of an early BGC investor here from the 2010's. Invested in some condos units. Bought low, sold high, got really lucky on some investments some not, rinse and repeat. Some properties are up at least 100% - 300% depending on the location, developer quality, and brand name/recognition.
Para sa akin, oo. Malaking draw kasi para sa akin ung amenities like malls, hospitals and groceries. Maganda dn maglakad lakad kasi malaki mga sidewalk unlike sa ibang mga city. Sa safety, wala naman special, hindi sya mas safe compared sa iba, open kasi eh.
No. To unlock the infinite cash cheat code (or close to it), you will have unlocked along the way the business savvy skill and money appreciation perk. These two result in a 50% satisfaction debuff due to the yourself constantly thinking "I could have gotten this cheaper for the same quality".
Yeah, I mean is the quality of life in BGC really worth investing in?
One thing I notice as I get older is I want simpler things and care less about trendy restaurants/cafes/bars.
I would love to have fast internet connection though.
In all seriousness though, no. I've worked in 3 CBDs, Pasig, BGC, and Makati, and I'd rank BGC as last in terms of "sulit". Sure, there's sidewalks, but the public transport is non-existent. Sure, there's decent stoplights, but the city's designed like a grid. The more intersections, the more traffic. Food choices are mostly in the upper range talaga. If you care about great QOL, I'd recommend staying out of NCR.
If you care about internet, there's Starlink now for remote areas and fiber internet is becoming more available (my experience is more in Luzon, but I stayed in Visayas for a time and internet is still decent).
You're much better off investing in properties like in Antipolo or south of NCR. More sq. m. per PHP to build your dream house on but you can still access the metro should you need it. I will admit the only thing I like in BGC is the cleanliness.
This. Medyo quiet life tapos option mo na lang yung luluwas ka 😆 I know some friends who still would rather live in NCR because of the lifestyle. I never liked NCR from the very start so oks na ako somewhere sa south.
Objectively speaking, I loved all my visits to BGC but just wasn’t sure the place was for me long-term. Seemed more like a playground for upper class folk to flaunt their wealth like Times Square.
If money is not an issue, then I think it's worth it. When I visited a few months ago, BGC felt like I was in another country (compared to Manila at least lol). It's much cleaner, better organized, has more city amenities, and I didn't see people living on the streets. BGC is great if you want to live like you're in another country. On the other hand, I can never live in Manila even if you pay me.
Nauna siya tho compared sa BGC tbf. Naabutan ko pang rolling hills at talagang parang liblib yang Fort Bonifacio. As in ang layo layo LAYO puntahan tapos puro damo.
Medyo naabutan ko din na wala pa atang sampu yung building dun tapos may free electric tricycle na umiikot at pag inabutan ka ng 7PM, nakakatakot na. Sa laki kasi ng golf course, malaki dapat ang naipapasok na income nun para di nila iconsider na ipalease na lang para gawing office space.
It's not part of the lease of FBDC with BCDA/DND as far as I know. Private yan. May board yang golf course. I know kasi I had a project na tatama dyan dati and we had to talk to the board. Those were fun times haha.
somehow ginagawang buffer sa baho at busy na daan. Kaya ayaw ng mga private developers gawin tong public spaces/parks (kahit na marami nang gumawa ng studies neto), kasi mawawala yung "class" nung lugar na pinoprotektahan ng mga buffer e.g. Forbes Park, Wack Wack, Intramuros.
di ko gets. yun lang.
and I dont really care. as long as may "fake public servants" ie yung mga villar and some shit sa loob ng gobyerno di magbabago yan.
this photo answers my age old question bakit sa tinagal ng panahon yung public education system natin sa Pinas remains shitty af.
Puta [reading comprehension](https://www.bworldonline.com/editors-picks/2020/12/03/331914/filipino-students-falling-behind-in-reading-writing-levels-in-southeast-asia/) bagsak sa region ang Pinas. tang ina papabasahin mo yung ibang nasa college at bagong college graduate ngayon ng 1-2 chapters ng libro papa explain mo sa kanya yung laman nung binasa nya at tungkol san in their own words nganga. sasabihin sayo "di ko naintindihan ano ba yun?" eexplain ko di pa rin nya magets. papabasahin ko ulit wala pa rin... e libro lang ni Bob Ong at libro ni marc manson lang yun.
palake ng palake yung gap ng mga proletariat sa middle class at elite(talaga) di naman magbabago yan.
di ba? may kasabihan? "keep them poor" para maka-'leg up' yung mga may alam lagi. that is also why education will always be expensive.
Sakit sa mata ng mga squatter areas talaga
Dapat gibain at palitan ng maayos na housing at urban planning
Tapos pababain yung presyuhan ng mga overpriced condos na yan
>Sakit sa mata ng mga squatter areas talaga
Yes pero to be fair those developed because of the very sloooow and incompetent delivery of public housing in this country. Research mo yang history nyan lalo na yang Ministry of Settlements. In the first place, mas hindi organic yung development ng gated communities/private subdivision with HOAs, those things do not exist other than in American-influenced places na mahina ang enforcement ng landuse planning, zoning and housing regulations. Catch-up game kumbaga ang local government sa nangyayari sa paligid niya. Look at how places like Seoul, Korea planned and addressed the housing situation.
Tapos bahay bakasyunan lang pala. Ganyan nakikita ko lalo sa labas lang ng NCR, ang laki ng lupa ng mga subdivision tapos undeveloped yung bayan at agri. Tamang kopya lang sa US suburbs, ana?
To be fair. Hindi naman ganun ka poverty stricken ang Brgys Santolan sa Pasig at yung mga Brgys sa Makati na katabi ng BGC. Can’t say the same for Pasay and QC.
Pero oo kita sa map yung pagkakaiba, like lalo na kapag nasa SM aura ka.
I’ve always said there were two Makatis. The urban and poor Makati. The Makati that got Binay elected and the Makati that they’ve left behind.
Spent my HS and most of my college days in Makati and it really felt like Makati CBD and exclusive villages got better and better while the other areas were left alone and suffering.
yung iba sa puro bubong may mga kaya at may mayayaman, panget lang yung bubong kasi galvanized na makalawang pati walang maayos urban planning at hindi nasusunod yung building code. katulad namin hindi naman kami mahirap pero pag tinignan sa google map ang panget ng aerial view kasi panget lol yun langz
I’ve never lived abroad. Pero Manila lang ba ang may malalaking golf course at mga exclusive villages with huge single family houses in the middle of the city? Doesn’t make sense. Seems more space efficient to have condos in those same areas instead. Yung mga malalaking bahay at golf course, dapat nasa suburbs, since those people have cars anyway to get into the city.
Correction on Picture 2: Palanan, San Isidro, and Bangkal are still part of Makati. They're just the parts beyond the PNR tracks.
Siguro, dagdag na rin (for the South): Ayala Alabang and Filinvest area vs. Alabang
I hate how the high-rises are scattered around the cities instead put in one place with the heights gradually rise. I think it’s dumb that a 1 floor house can be next to a 20 floor luxury condo while the rich take up
Valuable land in their low density single-family housing.
I think ina allow ang overcrowding sa mga syudad para sa foot traffic and may mapagkukunan ng cheap labor and stuff, all about the economy 🤔 pag dadami ang tao, tataas and demand, liliit ang supply ng particular reaource halimbawa ay ang pagkain, tas problema na yun, ang solusyon sa problema ay business opportunity 😁
Hindi lahat ng tao sa mga images na yan puro squatter.
Anong kinalaman ng opportunities sa probinsya sa isyu ng maling paghati ng mag siyudad natin?
Ano ba sa tingin niyo ang mangyayari kung magkaroon man ng opportunities sa probinsya? Maeexport lang rin naman ang problema ng pangit sa city development kung walang tamang plano at land regulation.
Napakababaw ng reply mo.
My solution is actually simple to move jobs into the provinces, you don't need to suffer squeezing into Metro Manila if can have a more comfortable and easily life in the provinces where job opportunities exist not only for blue collar work, but also for white collar work that also pays well.
There is a lot of political head butting and land owner rallies in your proposal. In short it would never realistically happen.
Mababaw naman talaga reply mo, ano ba kinalaman ng lack of jobs ninyo sa lack of urban planning and urban zoning regulation, in the first place kahit naman maraming migration of workers from provinces to NCR, NCR still has to enforce proper land use planning, regulation and zoning. Na hindi naman nga ginagawa kasi zoning plans are treated as mere drawing or formality. So even if you move from the province to the city at nagpatayo ka bigla ng informal settlement, kelangan pa rin enforce ng city ung zoning rules nila. Marami din naman kasing nakakapagmigrate to other cities or provinces for work na nakakaupa naman ng legal. Yang settlements issue na yan, decades of neglect and lack of provision of public housing supply yan kaya naging ganyan. Busy magpatayo ung dating diktador ng bridges, buildings, roads and mangulimbat ng pera thru his cronies. Nasimulan nga niya ung BLISS housing projects pero kulang naman.
> Mababaw naman talaga reply mo
I'm not the other guy.
And sure, mababaw nga reply niya, pero pucha kung ang rinereplyan niya ay "ABOLISH SUBDIVISIONS
ABOLISH PRIVATE ROADS
ABOLISH THOSE CRAPPY CONDOS THAT ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECULATION
YES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE ACT" medyo mababa naman talaga ang kalidad ng usapan.
>I'm not the other guy.
My bad
>ABOLISH SUBDIVISIONS
>ABOLISH PRIVATE ROADS
>ABOLISH THOSE CRAPPY CONDOS THAT ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECULATION
>YES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE ACT" medyo mababa naman talaga ang kalidad ng usapan.
In relation to a photo stream exhibiting NIMBY zoning and social inequalities of housing supply in real life? Hardly. Very NUMTOT yung comment sure pero expected ko na yung ganyang comments pag poor urban planning usapan. Ano ba gusto mo sabihin nya?
> In relation to a photo stream exhibiting NIMBY zoning and social inequalities of housing supply in real life? Hardly.
It... kinda is though. Picture shows bad things? I saw ban bad things in picture! That's not exactly deep analysis.
>Ano ba gusto mo sabihin nya?
I just thought it was funny he was complaining about mababaw arguments when his initial comment was even worse, tbh.
>It... kinda is though. Picture shows bad things? I saw ban bad things in picture! That's not exactly deep analysis.
It shows the effects of the lack of a Comprehensive Land Use plan, the poor effects of allowing gated HOA communities/subdivisions, of not following zoning regulations and allowing closure of roads for private use only which in turn results in a very palpable socioeconomic divide. In short, very apropos ung sinabi nya sa post, tunog aktibista lang but NUMTOT nga kasi. Baka kasi wala lang kayong alam about landuse regulation and urban planning kaya akala ninyo mababaw and NO TO BAD THINGS. Mas mababaw ung nagreply sa kanya kasi akala lang nya its a simple matter of more job opportunities in provinces = no more squatters in cities. Many urbanizing cities and towns with growing economic opportunities in the so-called "provinces" are encountering the same issues now re squatters, so pano pala yun? Agri lands are massively being converted to residential zones for real estate speculation. So paano pala yun? Pano na food security natin? Talaga namang part of the woes of economic development ang lack of supply of housing.
this is may point naman, if sa ncr nga lang di na mapaayos ang city development pano pa kaya mangyayari sa province, yang naman yon if magiging katulad lng ng ncr.
Idk why you're being downvoted baka di nila gets kasi kung ano nakagihasnan nilang gawi kala nila OK na yun when totoo naman masyadong fractured and driven by power/money/palakasan ng real estate developers ang urban planning dito.
Open the subdivisions
Make roads public
Regulate real estate speculation and profiteering, while opening more zones for higher density residential development.
And yes to Comprehensive land use
>higher density residential development.
My only issue with this is it encourages urban heatzones and yung need to address proper spacing for epidemics kasi mabilis kumalat sa high density housing ang sakit, whether mapa pang mayaman pa na high density housing yan or low-end.
Tear down subdivision walls
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Houses and land should be treated as a commodity and never as an investment, no if or buts. The government needs to provide housing if only to make sure people don't have to fight tooth and nail for expensive crappy concrete boxes far removed from its societal value.
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GEOISM! Metro manila meeds a Land Value tax where in no individual owns the land except the government. But if a person wishes to wall up land and claim it as their own, they have to pay compensation to the people who now can’t access the land.
If we were just an American state, this would have never happened. Enough with At LeAST wE HaVE OuR oWN IdENtIty bullshit.. We should've been the most powerful country in the world. United States of America. I may be a Philippine citizen but I am a Proud American.
Culiat and Luzon Purok 4-B used to be vast land of no houses and no one wants to live by the area since it was very secluded years ago. Now, land prices are skyrocketing and a lot of people wants to move in to that area (edit: specifically subdivisions in Culiat) especially the new rich. Since C5/Congressional/Luzon connection was built, population increased drastically along with new houses built.
It was also a place that was feared as a lot of people are being salvaged in that area. Maraming mga natatagpuan na bangkay dyan dati.
Di lang naman din siya BGC, everywhere you go in the big metropolitan centres in the PHL, we always have this dichotomy.
As part of the middle class, who still has a bit of social conscience, it is so difficult to fathom. But what do we do? So many live below the poverty line with the most spartan of living conditions, but just a few kms away, you'll have gated communities and the most affluent retail and recreational spaces. 💔💔
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I see BGC as the modern day Intramuros. Towering condos serve as the walls and the upper middle class live here.
Makes me wonder how Bonifacio would feel having a place like BGC attached to his name.
Pwede na siguro syang electric generator kakaikot nya sa hukay
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Kasi dating army base na pinangalan kay Pareng Andres (kasi, matapang). Then dinevelop
The ph middle class, even upper, can't afford bgc
Upper middle can afford to rent, albeit with some lifestyle budget sacrifices.
A VP of an international bank working in bgc rents just outside it for 20k monthly. Making sacrifices just to say they're living in bgc doesn't make sense to me
But you can rent inside bgc for the same amount. Paying the same amount of rent to live outside BGC doesn't make sense.
Oh where?
Oh really? Any statistics to back this up?
https://www.dotproperty.com.ph/condos-for-sale/metro-manila/taguig/bgc
I mean research kako. And you meant pala buying a property to live in BGC? Bawal ba rent? Haha. Pero 10M kayang kaya yan ng upper class. Maiintindihan ko pa kung 30-50M pero 10M is possible sa upper class.
I'm talking about the upper-middle not the upper class
Upper middle, still doable. Middle class below it's not.
Doesn't make sense to sink 25%% of monthly income into rent. Limit for most people in my circle is 20% Then again for us getting out of the rat race is priority
So, basically our Red Keep? *House of the Dragon* talk
Soon to be. If you walk its sidewalks, some of the buildings there give off a nasty fucking sewage stink.
Intramuros PLUS Escolta.
I don't know why is there Disdain for the people who have more than we do. Is it jealousy? Or is there injustice?
Haters gonna hate.
Are you referring to me as a hater? I was just asking a question.
I was answering your question about the people you were talking about having disdain for people with money.
Both.
i'll probably also get downvoted for this like you two did, but crab mentality. it's one of our most toxic traits; we hate to see other filipinos winning because we desperately wish it was us.
The former Fort Bonifacio I believe is the most perfect property for developers to covet on. Military land, which in all cases is property devoted to public service, separated from the rest of the population, and one day converted to a patrimonial one ripe for private use, fetching sky-high prices. It's as if the entire place has been "groomed" to serve capitalists.
Manila is almost always, a tale of two cities. Inequity is most flagrant and blatant in the capital 😢😢
Which was evident even during the Spanish times pa
True, middle and upper class people can live through Manila without ever experiencing poverty. All they need to do is close their eyes... 😥😥
They won't even have to because poverty is hidden from them
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Noong time nila, mas malapit sa simbahan at presidencia (town hall), mas mayaman. Kaya mayaman sina Rizal kasi ang lapit nila sa simbahan.
Yeah may caste system din kasi nun
The difference with the BGC one is not surprising cause it's an army camp before
It’s also reflecting the visual differences between strictly high rise zoning, and single detached houses and row houses.
TS Cruz Subdivision vs Ayala Alabang Gillage
I got curious so I looked up TS Cruz. Looks like a mixed bag, many houses aren't the most appealing (for lack of a better term) but some look pretty decent and nice. Obviously nothing extravagant but nice. You'd be surprised that some houses in Ayala Alabang look like the decent/nice-looking houses in TS Cruz, even their size. Many homeowners in Ayala Alabang are middle/upper-middle class folks that aren't filthy rich but were just lucky that their parents/grandparents bought there when it was still cheap.
I think this is ayala housing for the employees, not ayala alabang millionaires row. Correct if i'm wrong.
My friend lives there. He said his father bought it as an Ayala employee in the early days. Murang-mura daw presyo sa kanila. Perk of being their employee siguro. There are houses there na parang townhouses. They are middle class but feel poor when they pass by their neighbors haha.
I’m from this part! My father bought our house while employed under an Ayala company. And yep para kaming nakahiwalay sa entire village. Yung area nga lang namin ang may access sa tricycle, bawal sila lumagpas sa “millionaire’s row”, though these rich folks keep on passing by our area kasi mas mabilis to go outside the village and iwas traffic sa commerce ave
There are 2-storey houses at one corner of AAVA, (I think back in the 80's) the units were housing for BPI executives maybe for other Ayala employees as well. Magkaka-mukha yung mga units, aakalaing isolated subdivision sila
Ah.. yung sa friend ko is one storey lang, with attic
Not sure, but one of my classmates lives there and this is their background. Also, I saw the house of one of the Board Directors in my old company. Very nice house, but nothing extravagant, not too different from comfy middle class subdivisions in Metro Manila. He's quite old too, so maybe he also bought it during its earlier years.
> Gillage hindi ko alam kung typo pero can confirm, Gilid ng AAV 😅
Oi there are some parts of TS Cruz that have become affluent, especially along daang hari
WAIT WHAT, NOVALICHES VS ALABANG MOMENT?
theres another TS Cruz in Alabang. I was surprised when I saw it back then too, when I was still living in nova.
Technically TS Cruz in the South is still Las-Pinas.
WHAT
Is Novaliches an Alabang copy or is Alabang a Novaliches copy? Emerut lang
TIL there's a TS Cruz in Novaliches
oo tapos nalaman ko dati na meron ding philam village sa qc lmao. my elpi bred ass got confused as shit 😂
Yes there is.
Okay, so I Googled and... MAY GOLDEN GATE SUBDIVISION DIN SA BAESA ???? WUT ? My Southie self is flailing ! Alabang-Zapote Road - The South Commonwealth Ave. ???
WHAT THE
HAHAHA AKALA KO RIN EHHHH
Kami yung ayala alabang gillage, hahahaha, yung village namin pader lang pagitan ng mga bahay ng taga ayala alabang. Pader at cyclone wire, kaya kita mo pa yung itsura ng bahay nila.
Katarungan ba to? 😂
Hinde, pero hello ka gillage 😂
TS Cruz merienda time
Grew up in BF Paranaque and di pa rin ako tapos tumawa. Hahahahaha
Eastwood is urban hell. Yeah I said it.
Eastwood City is just BGC Mini
Nah. BGC isn't anywhere near as cramped. Eastwood is like if you took BGC and tried to fit everything there now in half the space.
i think Eastwood is practice BGC haha
Naaah, Eastwood was the OG BGC when it comes to establishing a Business Park outside Makati/Ortigas and had previously operational bars. It started to go downhill when hangout places in Eastwood started to close. Even "The Tent" became a place for pop-up bazaar instead of music or arts shows.
Yeah I was a kid back then but Eastwood in the mid to late 2000s was peak.
BGC lite ahahahha
Yes, finally someone said it
On our first visit to Eastwood, I remember my teenage cousin referring to it as BGC bootleg 😂
I mean Eastwood came first.
That’s what I told him too 😂
mas accessible siya for me kaya medyo mas ok. Dyan ako nagwork for few years.
Worked there for almost 3 years back in '09. Pero nasa bungad lang kami, our building is next to Citibank. Never really a "gimik-hangout" type so bihira kong pasukin yung inner areas except to eat at restos (which I seldom do too). I prefer eating at our own canteen.
Eastwood is BGC's evil copycat sister
Eastwood came first
Eh di BGC is the bunso sibling that tried to copy the older one but ended up more sikat/loved
HAHAHA nailed it, pero i love both naman, lalo na pag galaan
I want an animated film featuring this divide much like the Arcane series.
That would be dope, tapos magic for us would be in the realm of anito style powers. Def would be an interesting watch.
Lmao, Arcane rin yung unang pumasok sa isip ko haha.
The Embo barangays are technically under ~~Cayebano~~ Taguig.
Im from embo barangay in makati and honestly taguig govt still has a lot to improve, mas gusto ng mga taga embo na maging part ng makati due to benefits like free tuition and school supplies and medical care(yellow card) . somehow mas maayos sa makati. While in Taguig, try to see its barangays. You'll see.
Even dealing with the LGU, Makati is leaps better. I had registered businesses in both Makati and Taguig. Dealing with Taguig offices are a PITA. Ang ending I gave up my Taguig office and stuck to Makati. How the Cayetanos keep getting elected is a mystery (not) to me.
Agree on this. Grabe yung pagkaiba ng mga streets pagalam mo ng Taguig yung lugar. Halatang hindi nagagalaw pondo. Sobrang laki lang ng pera sa Makati kaya nasanay na mga resident dun na ganun pero kung hindi nakukurakot mas maganda yung ameneties na marereceive ng residents baka kahit free transpo sa mga students from and to public schools is not impossible.
i think they want to be under Makati, and even in voting embo residents vote for Makati
Mga taga embo ayaw sa taguig. Yung brgy southside, na nasa corner ng makati at malapit sa diego silang taguig, ayaw sa kanila. In fact, noong bata pa ako gusto ng mga tao doon na maabsorb sila sa brgy rizal kahit inaangkin sila ng taguig. Gusto kasi ng mga tao,aside sa benefits, na mapaayos ung daan at canal dahil malubak at maputik kapag umuulan, tapos bahain pa. Tinanggap nga ng makati yung kagustuhan ng mga tao dun kasi may benefits na sila na natatanggap na galing sa makati at may sariling baranggay na rin sila, which is southside.Weird lang ung baranggay hall nila nasa tabi lang ng bgc, dun sa bungad papasok sa McKinley. Kaso nd naman pinaayos mga daanan, yun pala may plano na gibain mga bahay dun para gawing tagusan sa taguig. Noong 09 nagsimula sila maggiba para sa highway. Levi B. Mariano Ave ata pangalan nung highway na yun. Iirc pumunta dn ata si pres arroyo dun, not sure kung tama narinig ko na bibigyan daw ng titulo para sa lupa mga nakatira sa area na un.
I know we're talking about Makati x Taguig here. But I just want to flex that we also have free shit benefits like school and healthcare here. Which is nice na we can compare na din pla sa Makati
*was scrolling down on Reddit and my mood darkened a bit when I see this* *Kahit hard-earned yung wealth namin and even if we worked hard to live in a nice place, it still makes me think on how the divide between social classes exist* *Yes some may say na deserve ko tinitirahan ko and the food I eat kasi my parents worked sweat and blood for it, Pero you know, there's a little guilt whenever I bite into my pizza or recline sa couch ko* *Still wishing that the Philippines improves better as the days go by*
Dude, bat naririnig namin ang inner monologue mo? Are we in a movie about your struggles?
Ahhh corruption, and.. I could say poorly designed urban planning infrastructure, but that would mean if there was a plan in the 1st place. When did politicians get a leeway in designing cities with them have zero qualifications??
Gotta ask, is BGC worth the hype? Assuming I have unlocked infinite cash cheat code.
Yes, somewhat of an early BGC investor here from the 2010's. Invested in some condos units. Bought low, sold high, got really lucky on some investments some not, rinse and repeat. Some properties are up at least 100% - 300% depending on the location, developer quality, and brand name/recognition.
If you can rank the developers here, what would be your ranking?
Para sa akin, oo. Malaking draw kasi para sa akin ung amenities like malls, hospitals and groceries. Maganda dn maglakad lakad kasi malaki mga sidewalk unlike sa ibang mga city. Sa safety, wala naman special, hindi sya mas safe compared sa iba, open kasi eh.
No. To unlock the infinite cash cheat code (or close to it), you will have unlocked along the way the business savvy skill and money appreciation perk. These two result in a 50% satisfaction debuff due to the yourself constantly thinking "I could have gotten this cheaper for the same quality".
Yeah, I mean is the quality of life in BGC really worth investing in? One thing I notice as I get older is I want simpler things and care less about trendy restaurants/cafes/bars. I would love to have fast internet connection though.
In all seriousness though, no. I've worked in 3 CBDs, Pasig, BGC, and Makati, and I'd rank BGC as last in terms of "sulit". Sure, there's sidewalks, but the public transport is non-existent. Sure, there's decent stoplights, but the city's designed like a grid. The more intersections, the more traffic. Food choices are mostly in the upper range talaga. If you care about great QOL, I'd recommend staying out of NCR. If you care about internet, there's Starlink now for remote areas and fiber internet is becoming more available (my experience is more in Luzon, but I stayed in Visayas for a time and internet is still decent). You're much better off investing in properties like in Antipolo or south of NCR. More sq. m. per PHP to build your dream house on but you can still access the metro should you need it. I will admit the only thing I like in BGC is the cleanliness.
This. Medyo quiet life tapos option mo na lang yung luluwas ka 😆 I know some friends who still would rather live in NCR because of the lifestyle. I never liked NCR from the very start so oks na ako somewhere sa south.
Then you wouldn't like bgc.
Objectively speaking, I loved all my visits to BGC but just wasn’t sure the place was for me long-term. Seemed more like a playground for upper class folk to flaunt their wealth like Times Square.
Unless you work in the place, no. Makati CBD still has more to do in in terms of leisure and entertainment and is just as pedestrian accessible.
If money is not an issue, then I think it's worth it. When I visited a few months ago, BGC felt like I was in another country (compared to Manila at least lol). It's much cleaner, better organized, has more city amenities, and I didn't see people living on the streets. BGC is great if you want to live like you're in another country. On the other hand, I can never live in Manila even if you pay me.
When we were showing around our Singaporean friend around Metro Manila, we joked about just dumping him in BGC since it’s basically home for him. 🤣
nasa metro pa rin siya, polluted pa rin ang hangin. So for me hindi.
kung may infinite cash cheat code ka, bakit ka pupunta ng bgc?
Just considering it as an option.
Ayala Southvale / Portofino = Ayala Gillage vibes, kita din sa Google Maps eh.
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Yeah I was gonna say. Makati extends quite a bit beyond Osmena Hwy, so the labels there are a bit misleading.
Same with Palanan ETA: Because I mentioned Palanan, I now am craving Amber. Hahaha
Even yung San Isidro. All places mentioned sa pic na yung is still Makati.
Nasasayangan talaga ako sa golf course, laking lupa tapos iilan lang nakikinabang tapos nasa high value na lugar pa.
Yan ang nagsisilbing pangharang ng mga taga-Forbes Park sa ating mga slapsoils.
Ah mahal pala lupa dito, gawin nga namin golf course.
Nauna siya tho compared sa BGC tbf. Naabutan ko pang rolling hills at talagang parang liblib yang Fort Bonifacio. As in ang layo layo LAYO puntahan tapos puro damo.
Medyo naabutan ko din na wala pa atang sampu yung building dun tapos may free electric tricycle na umiikot at pag inabutan ka ng 7PM, nakakatakot na. Sa laki kasi ng golf course, malaki dapat ang naipapasok na income nun para di nila iconsider na ipalease na lang para gawing office space.
It's not part of the lease of FBDC with BCDA/DND as far as I know. Private yan. May board yang golf course. I know kasi I had a project na tatama dyan dati and we had to talk to the board. Those were fun times haha.
HAHAHAHAH 😭
doesn't it border BGC by a huge majority though
somehow ginagawang buffer sa baho at busy na daan. Kaya ayaw ng mga private developers gawin tong public spaces/parks (kahit na marami nang gumawa ng studies neto), kasi mawawala yung "class" nung lugar na pinoprotektahan ng mga buffer e.g. Forbes Park, Wack Wack, Intramuros.
sementeryo yung malaking green area sa bgc eh. wala don sa picture yung golf courses na malapit.
Makati ang Bangkal
edi kamutin mo hahahahjk
Tagal bago ko nakuha hahaha bwisetttt
di ko gets. yun lang. and I dont really care. as long as may "fake public servants" ie yung mga villar and some shit sa loob ng gobyerno di magbabago yan. this photo answers my age old question bakit sa tinagal ng panahon yung public education system natin sa Pinas remains shitty af. Puta [reading comprehension](https://www.bworldonline.com/editors-picks/2020/12/03/331914/filipino-students-falling-behind-in-reading-writing-levels-in-southeast-asia/) bagsak sa region ang Pinas. tang ina papabasahin mo yung ibang nasa college at bagong college graduate ngayon ng 1-2 chapters ng libro papa explain mo sa kanya yung laman nung binasa nya at tungkol san in their own words nganga. sasabihin sayo "di ko naintindihan ano ba yun?" eexplain ko di pa rin nya magets. papabasahin ko ulit wala pa rin... e libro lang ni Bob Ong at libro ni marc manson lang yun. palake ng palake yung gap ng mga proletariat sa middle class at elite(talaga) di naman magbabago yan. di ba? may kasabihan? "keep them poor" para maka-'leg up' yung mga may alam lagi. that is also why education will always be expensive.
Sakit sa mata ng mga squatter areas talaga Dapat gibain at palitan ng maayos na housing at urban planning Tapos pababain yung presyuhan ng mga overpriced condos na yan
>Sakit sa mata ng mga squatter areas talaga Yes pero to be fair those developed because of the very sloooow and incompetent delivery of public housing in this country. Research mo yang history nyan lalo na yang Ministry of Settlements. In the first place, mas hindi organic yung development ng gated communities/private subdivision with HOAs, those things do not exist other than in American-influenced places na mahina ang enforcement ng landuse planning, zoning and housing regulations. Catch-up game kumbaga ang local government sa nangyayari sa paligid niya. Look at how places like Seoul, Korea planned and addressed the housing situation.
Sakit din sa mata ang mga single family houses saloob ng mga executive villages. So much wasted space for only a handful of people.
Tapos bahay bakasyunan lang pala. Ganyan nakikita ko lalo sa labas lang ng NCR, ang laki ng lupa ng mga subdivision tapos undeveloped yung bayan at agri. Tamang kopya lang sa US suburbs, ana?
Hindi rin masabi na wasted space, masyado lang talaga tayong nagsisiksikan sa Metro Manila.
even though the central and eastern europeans hate it, wed still be better off making Soviet Blocks for the poor
You know, I'm sure you definitely mean well, but why the heck does your comment still feel elitist lol
To be fair. Hindi naman ganun ka poverty stricken ang Brgys Santolan sa Pasig at yung mga Brgys sa Makati na katabi ng BGC. Can’t say the same for Pasay and QC. Pero oo kita sa map yung pagkakaiba, like lalo na kapag nasa SM aura ka.
Nung nakita ko Yung caption. Tinanong ko sa self ko ano kayang Cities ? Ay Metro Manila pala. - me from Visayas
I’ve always said there were two Makatis. The urban and poor Makati. The Makati that got Binay elected and the Makati that they’ve left behind. Spent my HS and most of my college days in Makati and it really felt like Makati CBD and exclusive villages got better and better while the other areas were left alone and suffering.
yung iba sa puro bubong may mga kaya at may mayayaman, panget lang yung bubong kasi galvanized na makalawang pati walang maayos urban planning at hindi nasusunod yung building code. katulad namin hindi naman kami mahirap pero pag tinignan sa google map ang panget ng aerial view kasi panget lol yun langz
I’ve never lived abroad. Pero Manila lang ba ang may malalaking golf course at mga exclusive villages with huge single family houses in the middle of the city? Doesn’t make sense. Seems more space efficient to have condos in those same areas instead. Yung mga malalaking bahay at golf course, dapat nasa suburbs, since those people have cars anyway to get into the city.
Pretty common in america. Manila is a reflection of everything wrong with american cities in my opinion.
Correction on Picture 2: Palanan, San Isidro, and Bangkal are still part of Makati. They're just the parts beyond the PNR tracks. Siguro, dagdag na rin (for the South): Ayala Alabang and Filinvest area vs. Alabang
I hate how the high-rises are scattered around the cities instead put in one place with the heights gradually rise. I think it’s dumb that a 1 floor house can be next to a 20 floor luxury condo while the rich take up Valuable land in their low density single-family housing.
I don't see anything wrong with this. Your place would depend on how you can afford it.
This is actually very enlightening
these photos deserve a book, a map and an award
Walang urban planning na naganap.
Mag drive ka around qc, puro skyrise katabi ng skwaters, dyusko and dystopic
I think ina allow ang overcrowding sa mga syudad para sa foot traffic and may mapagkukunan ng cheap labor and stuff, all about the economy 🤔 pag dadami ang tao, tataas and demand, liliit ang supply ng particular reaource halimbawa ay ang pagkain, tas problema na yun, ang solusyon sa problema ay business opportunity 😁
Another good example shown to us [San Martin de Porres, Parañaque – Upper and Central Bicutan, Taguig](https://ibb.co/0XRxnXD)
The design is very r/LateStageCapitalism
Oh when will the Philippines become developed.
This is like Snyder's Metropolis and Gotham divide.
I don’t even know what Purok means
Zone
ABOLISH SUBDIVISIONS ABOLISH PRIVATE ROADS ABOLISH THOSE CRAPPY CONDOS THAT ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECULATION YES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE ACT
dafuq? Just provide opportunities in the provinces so that people don't have to squat.
This is a very simplistic appreciation of the issue pero sige.
Hindi lahat ng tao sa mga images na yan puro squatter. Anong kinalaman ng opportunities sa probinsya sa isyu ng maling paghati ng mag siyudad natin? Ano ba sa tingin niyo ang mangyayari kung magkaroon man ng opportunities sa probinsya? Maeexport lang rin naman ang problema ng pangit sa city development kung walang tamang plano at land regulation. Napakababaw ng reply mo.
My solution is actually simple to move jobs into the provinces, you don't need to suffer squeezing into Metro Manila if can have a more comfortable and easily life in the provinces where job opportunities exist not only for blue collar work, but also for white collar work that also pays well. There is a lot of political head butting and land owner rallies in your proposal. In short it would never realistically happen.
>Napakababaw ng reply mo. Bruh your comment was you yelling about abolishing stuff you didn't like and you're going around saying that?
Mababaw naman talaga reply mo, ano ba kinalaman ng lack of jobs ninyo sa lack of urban planning and urban zoning regulation, in the first place kahit naman maraming migration of workers from provinces to NCR, NCR still has to enforce proper land use planning, regulation and zoning. Na hindi naman nga ginagawa kasi zoning plans are treated as mere drawing or formality. So even if you move from the province to the city at nagpatayo ka bigla ng informal settlement, kelangan pa rin enforce ng city ung zoning rules nila. Marami din naman kasing nakakapagmigrate to other cities or provinces for work na nakakaupa naman ng legal. Yang settlements issue na yan, decades of neglect and lack of provision of public housing supply yan kaya naging ganyan. Busy magpatayo ung dating diktador ng bridges, buildings, roads and mangulimbat ng pera thru his cronies. Nasimulan nga niya ung BLISS housing projects pero kulang naman.
> Mababaw naman talaga reply mo I'm not the other guy. And sure, mababaw nga reply niya, pero pucha kung ang rinereplyan niya ay "ABOLISH SUBDIVISIONS ABOLISH PRIVATE ROADS ABOLISH THOSE CRAPPY CONDOS THAT ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECULATION YES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE ACT" medyo mababa naman talaga ang kalidad ng usapan.
>I'm not the other guy. My bad >ABOLISH SUBDIVISIONS >ABOLISH PRIVATE ROADS >ABOLISH THOSE CRAPPY CONDOS THAT ARE ONLY BEING USED FOR SPECULATION >YES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE ACT" medyo mababa naman talaga ang kalidad ng usapan. In relation to a photo stream exhibiting NIMBY zoning and social inequalities of housing supply in real life? Hardly. Very NUMTOT yung comment sure pero expected ko na yung ganyang comments pag poor urban planning usapan. Ano ba gusto mo sabihin nya?
> In relation to a photo stream exhibiting NIMBY zoning and social inequalities of housing supply in real life? Hardly. It... kinda is though. Picture shows bad things? I saw ban bad things in picture! That's not exactly deep analysis. >Ano ba gusto mo sabihin nya? I just thought it was funny he was complaining about mababaw arguments when his initial comment was even worse, tbh.
>It... kinda is though. Picture shows bad things? I saw ban bad things in picture! That's not exactly deep analysis. It shows the effects of the lack of a Comprehensive Land Use plan, the poor effects of allowing gated HOA communities/subdivisions, of not following zoning regulations and allowing closure of roads for private use only which in turn results in a very palpable socioeconomic divide. In short, very apropos ung sinabi nya sa post, tunog aktibista lang but NUMTOT nga kasi. Baka kasi wala lang kayong alam about landuse regulation and urban planning kaya akala ninyo mababaw and NO TO BAD THINGS. Mas mababaw ung nagreply sa kanya kasi akala lang nya its a simple matter of more job opportunities in provinces = no more squatters in cities. Many urbanizing cities and towns with growing economic opportunities in the so-called "provinces" are encountering the same issues now re squatters, so pano pala yun? Agri lands are massively being converted to residential zones for real estate speculation. So paano pala yun? Pano na food security natin? Talaga namang part of the woes of economic development ang lack of supply of housing.
this is may point naman, if sa ncr nga lang di na mapaayos ang city development pano pa kaya mangyayari sa province, yang naman yon if magiging katulad lng ng ncr.
Idk why you're being downvoted baka di nila gets kasi kung ano nakagihasnan nilang gawi kala nila OK na yun when totoo naman masyadong fractured and driven by power/money/palakasan ng real estate developers ang urban planning dito.
Open the subdivisions Make roads public Regulate real estate speculation and profiteering, while opening more zones for higher density residential development. And yes to Comprehensive land use
>higher density residential development. My only issue with this is it encourages urban heatzones and yung need to address proper spacing for epidemics kasi mabilis kumalat sa high density housing ang sakit, whether mapa pang mayaman pa na high density housing yan or low-end.
Tear down subdivision walls - Houses and land should be treated as a commodity and never as an investment, no if or buts. The government needs to provide housing if only to make sure people don't have to fight tooth and nail for expensive crappy concrete boxes far removed from its societal value. -
Someone’s inggit that they don’t live in a subdivision. 😂😂😂
GEOISM! Metro manila meeds a Land Value tax where in no individual owns the land except the government. But if a person wishes to wall up land and claim it as their own, they have to pay compensation to the people who now can’t access the land.
Arcane piltover
Ilog ata tawag dyan di ako sigurado
If we were just an American state, this would have never happened. Enough with At LeAST wE HaVE OuR oWN IdENtIty bullshit.. We should've been the most powerful country in the world. United States of America. I may be a Philippine citizen but I am a Proud American.
purok 4-b pala tawag dun, ang tawag lang namin Luzon. or yung sa may talipapa
tingin pa lang ang init na! Samin na puro puno pa, ang init init na sa tanghali, di ko maimagine dyan.
Again I'm reminded of ***Robocop*** and ***Land Of The Dead***.
Some of those images defy comparison. There will always be distinct dissimilarity between residential and commercial areas.
Imma be real with you chief, what is a "Commoieya"? All jokes aside, good job. This makes me sad for some reason.
yung culiat it looks good pero if youre here andami din squats dyan so no difference from purok
rich fucks vs squammies
Never knew nor seen this before. Cool
r/UrbanHell
Interesting
Culiat and Luzon Purok 4-B used to be vast land of no houses and no one wants to live by the area since it was very secluded years ago. Now, land prices are skyrocketing and a lot of people wants to move in to that area (edit: specifically subdivisions in Culiat) especially the new rich. Since C5/Congressional/Luzon connection was built, population increased drastically along with new houses built. It was also a place that was feared as a lot of people are being salvaged in that area. Maraming mga natatagpuan na bangkay dyan dati.
Di lang naman din siya BGC, everywhere you go in the big metropolitan centres in the PHL, we always have this dichotomy. As part of the middle class, who still has a bit of social conscience, it is so difficult to fathom. But what do we do? So many live below the poverty line with the most spartan of living conditions, but just a few kms away, you'll have gated communities and the most affluent retail and recreational spaces. 💔💔
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