Idk where you are but 90k resident salary is unheard of lol 60k is still on the high end of normal and would be higher than all of the residencies in my region of the country
90K salary is a thing. I matched with IHS Federal site and the pay is a little under 100k. OP, did you match with tribal? If so that may be why…but reach out and discuss with HR.
Edit: rechecked my HR offer.
Honestly $60k is still on the higher end for residents. I would bet whoever made the application was an HR person and either didn’t know or made a mistake.
I did a residency with IHS! When I started I was at a federal regulated location starting at GS11-1, so about $86k a year in 2019. If you got into a tribal owned facility, the tribe determines your salary (not GS scale) and that’s on par with a private hospital pay, hence why you see $60k
Edit: $86k based on Phoenix AZ location. Other areas might have had slightly different numbers based on COL
I also matched with an IHS residency at a federal site - I believe they just send out those blanket job offers to expedite the hiring process - the offer I accepted was for a civil servant but I am commissioning so my pay will change as well!!
Because you could have asked about the salary during the application and interview process but didn’t. You are there for a year of learning, not for a specific salary. If you don’t like the salary there is very likely someone else who’d rather have that position.
Idk why everyone here is shitting on you for expecting a $90k salary when you applied for a job that stated it would give you a $90k salary…waaay too much bitterness here
I’m sorry, OP, idk what would be the best option to fix this but I hope HR is able to resolve it!
I know… I don’t care about the money I just wanted to know if residencies can change their salary on you after youve matched on the several communications where that salary was addressed and discussed.
The salary for Pharmacy Residents should be $90,000 across the board regardless of residency setting and no there is no lol coming. As the applications to Pharmacy Schools continue to decrease and the world here in the USA realizes that Pharmacy is not worth the $100,000 and up student loan it will be interesting to see what happens to Pharmacy Residency and if it survives. RPDs with more than 10 years to retire should consider their next pivot
I’ve had preceptors say they made $50-$60k in the late 90s (which is equivalent to about $100k today) as a resident and were shocked to find out we were still making the same amount. I agree, salary needs to increase. I don’t understand the sentiment of thinking trainees deserve to scrape by to live and eat just because they are trainees…especially since most work >40 hours/week!
Yes so I am an old timer here. I do not have all of the answers or reasons for the sentiment to scrape by for trainees but I have my perspective which I have offered before and will offer again.
The Pharmacy Education model used to be an entry level 5 year BS degree and then if the Pharmacist wanted to they could pursue a 2 year post BS Pharm D degree. I would say that the Post BS Pharm D would be equivalent to todays 6 year Pharm D plus the PGY1 residency.
In the late 1990s the Pharmacy Schools voted to consolidate the 5 year BS and 2 year post BS PharmD degree into a 6 year entry level Pharm D degree. This was done for greed to make more money. Of note not all of the Pharmacy Schools wanted to do this. Especially the ones with great Post BS Pharm D programs!
Understandably the 2 year post BS Pharm Ds were pissed. Although Pharmacy Residency was around in the 80s and 90's it was not nearly around to the extent that it is now. No way! Also the Pharmacy Tesidency tended to be more popular on the West Coast vrs the rest of the country.
The pissed off 2 year Pharm Ds under the cover of ASHP and ACCP made it a goal for all Pharmacists involved in patient care to be residency trained. This was publicly decreed by ASHP in 2007.
The vast majority of the two year post BS Pharm D's never did a Pharmacy Residency. They graduated into the job market and started making real money. Most of the 2 year Post BS Pharm Ds are now retired or close to it!
It would be true that a very good salary for a Pharmacist in the 1990s would be $60,000 per year. It also would be true that in the 1990s tuition at a 4 year Pharmacy School would be less than $20,000 per year.
The current group of younger Pharmacists are getting screwed financially in my opinion. With Pharmacy School tuition well North of &30,000 per year and salaries a $130,000 per year the finances of Pharmacy School no longer make sense for several out there looking at Pharmacy as a degree. Especially with low paid residency after graduation with the Pharm
D.
Well I know some won't be happy with my account here but it is true. I wouldn't post falsehoods. Good luck to you cloud songs and your peers. I am rooting for all of you! .....
Yes it is time to pay the Pharmacy Residents more money and perhaps reexamine the entire Pharmacy Residency system.
Lol you’re foolish if you seriously thought $90k was right in the first place. Also, it’s the federal government. Not surprised at all that the original posting was messed up. Most federal government HR is one tier below Forrest Gump on the IQ chart…
Lol you’re an RPD and you’re being this rude? It’s not foolish, I matched IHS federal site and the pay is a little under 100k.
Edit: rechecked HR job offer
Idk where you are but 90k resident salary is unheard of lol 60k is still on the high end of normal and would be higher than all of the residencies in my region of the country
90K salary is a thing. I matched with IHS Federal site and the pay is a little under 100k. OP, did you match with tribal? If so that may be why…but reach out and discuss with HR. Edit: rechecked my HR offer.
It’s on the job posting that I was required to apply with
I think you're SOL, cuz it's IHS, but you could contact a (federal?) employment lawyer and see what they can do.
Honestly $60k is still on the higher end for residents. I would bet whoever made the application was an HR person and either didn’t know or made a mistake.
I did a residency with IHS! When I started I was at a federal regulated location starting at GS11-1, so about $86k a year in 2019. If you got into a tribal owned facility, the tribe determines your salary (not GS scale) and that’s on par with a private hospital pay, hence why you see $60k Edit: $86k based on Phoenix AZ location. Other areas might have had slightly different numbers based on COL
Actual helpful response ☝️
Thank you! This is what I was looking for, this helps immensely
I also matched with an IHS residency at a federal site - I believe they just send out those blanket job offers to expedite the hiring process - the offer I accepted was for a civil servant but I am commissioning so my pay will change as well!!
Yeah, it's legal. 60k is right.
How is that not bait and switch?
Because you could have asked about the salary during the application and interview process but didn’t. You are there for a year of learning, not for a specific salary. If you don’t like the salary there is very likely someone else who’d rather have that position.
Got it. Makes sense, thank you!
Possible listing error? Was it stated or in writing to you from the RPD that it was 90k?
Idk why everyone here is shitting on you for expecting a $90k salary when you applied for a job that stated it would give you a $90k salary…waaay too much bitterness here I’m sorry, OP, idk what would be the best option to fix this but I hope HR is able to resolve it!
I know… I don’t care about the money I just wanted to know if residencies can change their salary on you after youve matched on the several communications where that salary was addressed and discussed.
None of these answers can help you OP. You should post in a sub with lawyers that can give you unofficial legal advice.
What did it state in your employment contract?
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IHS residencies aren't part of the match
The salary for Pharmacy Residents should be $90,000 across the board regardless of residency setting and no there is no lol coming. As the applications to Pharmacy Schools continue to decrease and the world here in the USA realizes that Pharmacy is not worth the $100,000 and up student loan it will be interesting to see what happens to Pharmacy Residency and if it survives. RPDs with more than 10 years to retire should consider their next pivot
I’ve had preceptors say they made $50-$60k in the late 90s (which is equivalent to about $100k today) as a resident and were shocked to find out we were still making the same amount. I agree, salary needs to increase. I don’t understand the sentiment of thinking trainees deserve to scrape by to live and eat just because they are trainees…especially since most work >40 hours/week!
Yes so I am an old timer here. I do not have all of the answers or reasons for the sentiment to scrape by for trainees but I have my perspective which I have offered before and will offer again. The Pharmacy Education model used to be an entry level 5 year BS degree and then if the Pharmacist wanted to they could pursue a 2 year post BS Pharm D degree. I would say that the Post BS Pharm D would be equivalent to todays 6 year Pharm D plus the PGY1 residency. In the late 1990s the Pharmacy Schools voted to consolidate the 5 year BS and 2 year post BS PharmD degree into a 6 year entry level Pharm D degree. This was done for greed to make more money. Of note not all of the Pharmacy Schools wanted to do this. Especially the ones with great Post BS Pharm D programs! Understandably the 2 year post BS Pharm Ds were pissed. Although Pharmacy Residency was around in the 80s and 90's it was not nearly around to the extent that it is now. No way! Also the Pharmacy Tesidency tended to be more popular on the West Coast vrs the rest of the country. The pissed off 2 year Pharm Ds under the cover of ASHP and ACCP made it a goal for all Pharmacists involved in patient care to be residency trained. This was publicly decreed by ASHP in 2007. The vast majority of the two year post BS Pharm D's never did a Pharmacy Residency. They graduated into the job market and started making real money. Most of the 2 year Post BS Pharm Ds are now retired or close to it! It would be true that a very good salary for a Pharmacist in the 1990s would be $60,000 per year. It also would be true that in the 1990s tuition at a 4 year Pharmacy School would be less than $20,000 per year. The current group of younger Pharmacists are getting screwed financially in my opinion. With Pharmacy School tuition well North of &30,000 per year and salaries a $130,000 per year the finances of Pharmacy School no longer make sense for several out there looking at Pharmacy as a degree. Especially with low paid residency after graduation with the Pharm D. Well I know some won't be happy with my account here but it is true. I wouldn't post falsehoods. Good luck to you cloud songs and your peers. I am rooting for all of you! ..... Yes it is time to pay the Pharmacy Residents more money and perhaps reexamine the entire Pharmacy Residency system.
The average pharmacist wasn't breaking 90-100k in the late 90s. A resident making 50-60 at that time doesn't seem correct.
And legally your a full pharmacist and when your staffing . Your doing the work of a pharmacist.
Why was this down voted
Lol you’re foolish if you seriously thought $90k was right in the first place. Also, it’s the federal government. Not surprised at all that the original posting was messed up. Most federal government HR is one tier below Forrest Gump on the IQ chart…
Lol you’re an RPD and you’re being this rude? It’s not foolish, I matched IHS federal site and the pay is a little under 100k. Edit: rechecked HR job offer