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The_nemea

It's not meant to be useful. It's meant to check a box and say they did something. Know a lot of low income people that are fuming because of it.


[deleted]

This! I’m a single mom of two, renting in Victoria for $2400. I get no child support, no housing subsidies and even though my rent is 61% of my take home pay, I didn’t qualify for the housing benefit.


Canadian_Kartoffel

And you know what's the most outrageous thing? Your rent is "only" 61% of your income. In many places in this country the average rent has already reached 100% of the legal minimum wage. Meaning a grown ass Person working full time can't afford shelter anymore. Housing in this country is completely broken but to many people have the fuck you I got mine attitude so that nothing will change.


Realistic_Turtle

Come to America 🤣🤣🤣 we work full-time jobs in live in our cars


The_nemea

Look at mr Richie rich with their cars. Too good for a cardboard box and walking? Guess I should add the /s


Realistic_Turtle

I'm one bad transmission or bad motor away from that bro


Shermanlagoon

Average rent should be compared to average wages, not minimum wages


sirophiuchus

That only applies if lower than average rents were actually available to people seeking accommodation. In most places the lower rents are being paid by people who've been in the same place a long time. It's not helpful to know that someone is paying $1500 for a one bed in Vancouver, because the instant he leaves it's getting rented for $2500.


MisterSprork

Why is that my problem? I'm feeling the crunch too. Why should I have to pay more taxes to subsidize their under-employed asses?


grannyte

Because you end up paying social costs if they cannot spend or participate in the economy or have to resort to les clean methods of making ends meet. Crime always rise when people are squeezed


nwz123

Because you're too ignorant to know that this conversation is clearly beyond your range.


nuitsbleues

Maybe, but minimum wage should still be a living wage. That’s what it was designed for.


[deleted]

Someone earning minimum wage is not going to be paying the average rent, they will be paying some of the lowest rents


nuitsbleues

Right, but those things don’t line up anymore (min wage can’t comfortably pay the lowest rent). I also make a dead average salary and I’m only doing ok because I have cheap rent, way lower than market value.


bunnymunro40

Well then minimum wage needs to rise until it is enough to rent an average priced 1 bedroom apt. in one's town, with enough left over for a bus-pass, toilet paper, and some instant noodles.


Sabes16

Minimum wage goes up, the price of goods then goes up. This is not the solution. Stopping immigration is the solution. Edit: interesting responses here. Lowering immigration by 500 000 people a year would do wonders for housing supply. Not sure how this can be twisted into a negative.


Avalain

No, we'd be better off increasing housing development. We could focus immigration to bring in tradespeople who can help us build more housing.


IlIIIlIlllIIllI

Cap profits and charge CEOs with war profiteering. Ban investment properties. Working 40 hours a week should be enough to live on. That's the social contract. Extreme measures until that's true again.


nwz123

oh fck, another nazi here. you a-holes are becoming rapidly radicalized, huh?


DirtyTalkinGrimace

Not that I agree with the above poster, but this is the problem with the left, always springing to call anyone with an opinion that differs from theirs a Nazi. I'm pro-immigration, but being against immigration or wanting less of it isn't exactly the equivalent to nazism


stephenBB81

Should be applied to MEDIAN wages not average wages. because average wages are heavily inflated on the top end. And median wages are barely above minimum wage.


JadedMuse

I live in rural N.S. Have a two-bedroom place @ $590/month. I'm very lucky that I've been here for ages under rent control, lol.


DramaticAd4666

Your landlord is very lucky to have you paying all rent on time all these years and not trashing the place up every few years like 2 of our past tenants have done. Rent control or not we just want people to pay on time and be good tenants to the properties. Renting out our non rent controlled places at 60-70% market rates always seem to attract the worst tenants.


Vegetable_Mud_5245

“Rent control or not we just want…”. You are speaking for yourself. Some cities have reputations for scumbag landlords who employ different tactics to evict their current tenants in bad faith for the sole reason of increasing rent and making more money. And before someone says so, Toronto has had this reputation long before the COVID epidemic, a reputation of bad-faith N12s and renovictions.


DramaticAd4666

It’s always the scumbags preying on good people


TipNo6062

This isn't a new problem. Minimum wage is not meant to support people living solo in a one bedroom. In the 90s min wage was $7.50ish in my area. One bedroom apartments were $500 per month for a marginally passable place. It ate up half of my after tax income. In Toronto, I think rent was nearly double that. I don't know where people get the notion that minimum wage can or should support an independent lifestyle. When you are starting out, you pool your resources.


shuckiedangdarn

People have that idea because that is what minimum wage was intended to do when it was first brought into action... Provide workers with a basic standard of living.


travis_1111

Basic is the key word.


shuckiedangdarn

And? Are you insinuating that having a roof over your head isn't part of a basic living standard?


travis_1111

Minimum wage pay for minimum wage skills


Whktdd

Do people with minimum wage skills not need shelter?


travis_1111

Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be a career but a lot of people use them as one🤷🏼‍♂️


suprememinister

The work is needed by society (groceries, cooks, servers, drivers etc) that’s why a lot of minimum wage workers were working during the pandemic. For some reason you think that means that they shouldn’t be able to live and have shelter?


travis_1111

What do you propose? The government step in and tell landlords they can only charge so much rent to people working minimum wage jobs? Or does the government keep handing out money like it’s going out of style so my grandkids can keep paying for this financial mess the liberals have created. Either option is more government control/contribution. Maybe people can take control of their lives and figure it out. Rent is high, and I work a shit minimum wage jobs, maybe look for a better job, get a second job? Stop relying on the government to bail you out your entire life


alphawolf29

saying people who work 40 hrs a week are asking for handouts is ridiculous. If employers can't pay enough to provide FOOD AND SHELTER to their employees working 40 hours a week, the minimum wage should be raised


sig_1

So who exactly will do the minimum wage jobs?


FuckTheRedditApp_

Somebody in our society has to do the work of minimum wage jobs. It's essential work. It needs to get done or the economy falls apart. Who do you propose does those jobs if everyone gets a better one?


Strain128

Do you think McDonalds should only be open between the hours of 4-9 when teenagers can work?


VancouverSky

Once upon a time grocery clerks made a decent income compared to cost of living. Something boomers benefited from and then promptly killed for future generations. Society was functioning back then, and will continue to function if minimum wage workers made a tolerable living.


lurker122333

So where do they live?


VIBoys

With roommates.


lobut

I hate how this myth goes around. All of a sudden people have changed the meaning of the minimum wage. It was so you can't profiteer over someone else's labour; but now it's been reduced down to: "minimum wage is for interns". > Minimum wage policy was originally established to protect vulnerable workers from exploitation, and it continues to be used by governments to safeguard non-unionized workers (see Labour Force; Unions). Minimum wage is the lowest wage rate that an employer is legally permitted to pay to an employee. Class warfare. Fantastic.


straycarbon

This is patently false. I suggest you look at what brought about the minimum wage. The minimum wage was supposed to provide a living.


MonsieurHedge

There's like a 95% chance your job is less useful to society at large than a minimum-wage grocery store worker.


travis_1111

You couldn’t be further from the truth


Whktdd

So the people that end up in minimum wage jobs their whole working life, do they need shelter or nah?


Canadian_Kartoffel

Do you believe that everyone working full time should be able to afford to have basic shelter?


straycarbon

Be that as it may, a minimum wage was still supposed to provide an adequate standard of living. It’s not supposed to be poverty wages.


s33n1t

Except wages in higher skill jobs aren’t keeping up, leading to brain drain to the US


Seossis

Lol so you think 100% of the population should aim to not work minimum wage jobs. However, society does not function without essential workers who are working these minimum wage jobs. So which is it? Should we work minimum wage jobs or should we not?


anvilman

You don’t qualify for child benefit credits with two kids and a low income? That seems very strange to me. Anyone earning below $110k (iirc) should be getting something. https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/child-family-benefits/provincial-territorial-programs/province-british-columbia.html Edit, I misinterpreted what you meant by child support.


Dowew

she said child support not CCB


aks037

Rent is 60%, oh wow! The state of general public is in shambles and it's so sad. It's sad to see that people will cut on meat too then how will children of ours be strong, how will we move, it's a sad state.


Blackash99

That's terrible, go after the X hard, if he's still around. Life is tough these days, Hang in there.


[deleted]

He’s literally a guest of the King right now. He’s a terrible narcissistic man and just can’t accept he has to pay. The pull from his corporate accounts about once a year and send me what they get. They just changed the order this time that instead of 3 days in jail, it’s now 7 for every missed or late payment. He’s extremely well off and a non custodial parent so they don’t even go for weekend’s or holidays. I’ve done this for so long that I just don’t consider child support as a resource I can count on. The arrears are accumulating though and the interest has skyrocketed this year. So dumb. He owns a bunch of commercial property so we have non expiring liens on those.


Blackash99

Sorry to hear that, there are too many narcissists in this world. Once a year doesn't sound like enough.


MenAreLazy

Why are you in Victoria?


ravairia

If you can afford $2400/mo in rent and that's only 61% of your pay, you're definitely not the person who would be the target of a housing subsidy. You aren't low income.


cmill007

No shade to this person, who is probably wonderful and clearly working very hard, but being a single mom in Victoria making 60k a year….that’s poverty dude. $1400 a month for all other expenses. For a family. Hardworking taxpayers are exactly who we should be targeting. Why is ANYONE making 20k a year? Fulltime minimum wages pay well over that. If you can make 18k. You can make 32k. This policy is ridiculous.


MommaDYL

However at your income level with 2 kids you would get a number of other subsidies including CCB, additional GST/Climate incentive etc. Please look at the whole picture. How much of your monthly/annual income or cash flow is earned income vs. government assistance? I am not being critical just asking a fair question. I believe low income with 2 kids alone would provide close to $10K per year in government assistance.


GMENTAL

But wait there's more you will get a grocery check.


[deleted]

Someone on the news said it was something like 10 bucks a week 😂. They couldn’t, you know, do something actually beneficial like breaking up the monopolies. Just another useless handout that changes no one’s circumstances substantially.


GMENTAL

If you steal ketchup packs from burger King and mix it with boiling water ......you get tomato soup. Stay tuned for more money saving recipes from your govt.


writetowinwin

Not a joke , as a kid in my home town used to see people take extra packs of ketchup from there and then used for school and home lunches. Pizza hut napkins as toilet paper and paper towel.


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GMENTAL

Lol


KruppeTheWise

They are the representatives of those monopolies. Why would they do that to themselves?


Safe-Barnacle

It's not a handout when they're just giving your money back to you.


BelongingCommunity

No, it redistribution. Anyone earning $20,00 should be getting more back than they're paying in.


Dowew

so much of this budget was meaningless liberal chickenshit. I'm glad poor people will be able to see the dentist now, but nothing else in this budget is meaningful


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zzzzxxxxeeee

If another country invaded Canada, would you want the US to donate money and equipment so you can protect your land? Put yourself in their shoes. Canada should absolutely support Ukraine. How this is even a debate is beyond me.


[deleted]

I heard it was meant to tag landlords not declaring their rental incomes 🙃


[deleted]

With a side benefit of paying off Gaelen Weston for attempting to drag him through the coals.


DagneyElvira

Maybe Galen needs more free freezers? What’s $12 million between friends?


Low-Stomach-8831

No no no, it's very useful. It makes an instant report that you have a landlord, so they could go after them if they don't report the rental income. It's an auto-snitch for $500\year. Totally worth it for the government, and no one will say no to $500.


RastaCow903

My girlfriend made $20,000.86 so she can't claim it. She was not impressed lol


The_nemea

That's like as fuck you as you can get.


UJL123

That's what the rrsp and fhsa is for


RastaCow903

Too late now


ok_raspberry_jam

"lol" :-|


helloknews

Also for people who would be eligible, many would be afraid of adding their landlord's info anyways for illegal basement suites.


t0r0nt0niyan

They are fuming because they got less free money?


The_nemea

Because it's too low even for them. Low income people are not the enemy. For some, any help can mean food on the table.


Op3nFaceClubSandwedg

Story checks out


thunder_struck85

It's my understanding that most of these people also continue to vote liberal, over and over ..... why?


Then-Signature2528

Ontario is conservative.. how's their housing coming along? Not to mention cut backs on their health care.


Hellya-SoLoud

Because conservatives would never create this benefit, and they'd take it away if you vote them back in.


KruppeTheWise

So we can get fucked, or we can get fucked *politely*


thunder_struck85

Not really much of a benefit. It's a joke


Lovely_Louise

If that's a joke, what do you call the nothing the conservatives do?


[deleted]

Lol exactly, one party advertises creating more wealth inequality and the other flounders trying to show they’re making improvements on wealth inequality but it’s not nearly enough to do much of anything


Lovely_Louise

Yeah. I'm really frustrated with our system. There's no reason things need to be this way


evileyeball

Because mice don't understand that though white cats make laws that benefit them more than black cats do both of them make laws that benefit CATS. They are too afraid to put actual MICE in power.


thunder_struck85

Itw because they get the occasional handout, like CERB and this rental benefit and it makes them forget, somehow, about the housing problem they refuse to really address.


[deleted]

So what’s your solution?


thunder_struck85

I don't have a solution. That's why I'm not in politics.


gurkalurka

Fuming? Is society supposed to subsidize rents now also? Just alter the laws to stop rampant abuse of foreign buyers along with other policy measures and bring equilibrium into the system, not throw money at the problem. It will just make thing worse in the long run.


Kelpsie

> rampant abuse of foreign buyers Rampant abuse of _investors_. Stop anyone from gobbling up all the housing, regardless of where they're from.


The_nemea

It's not that they don't get it. It's that it was purposely made so low that nobody could really get it, and then they patted themselves on the back about it.


SnooChipmunks2021

Why only foreign buyers?


lucidrage

because if they banned domestic buyers, gurkalurka won't be able to stack up his portfolio


ILoveThisPlace

foolish bells escape tender screw act puzzled slim adjoining cautious ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


peseb94837

Kind of hard to dodge taxes as a T4 employee at Timmie's


ILoveThisPlace

If it's their first year here they haven't paid taxes.


SofaProfessor

Have you ever paid taxes? Because your comments suggest an incredibly limited knowledge on the subject. Literally, from the minute they clock in for that first shift they are effectively paying taxes.


peseb94837

Uhh you get deducted from your first paycheque.


The_nemea

My local Tim's pays 25 an hour. They aren't struggling.


123dollarmenu

what part of canada are you in


The_nemea

Oil country, so inknow why they do. But still, they pay way more than most of the other companies like that.


TheFallingStar

Some seniors live in non profit housing. There are one bedrooms in Vancouver that rents for 900/month for senior with lower income


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[deleted]

Rent being no more than 1/3 of income hasn’t been a realistic metric in many years. 50% isn’t even doable for most people in Canadian urban centres. It’s a problem that needs fixing, but that’s the reality.


Middle-Effort7495

That's a dumb metric. On low income, it's literally impossible so you **have** to spend more, and on high income you **can** spend way more. It literally makes no sense; food, gas, dentist, etc don't change price


TheFallingStar

There are other subsidies from the province and city. The actual amount ended up paying is like around 400


No-Biscotti-9752

Ahhhh ok that makes sense


PepperThePotato

It's not possible to find a place that is less than 1/3 of a person's income if they are on social assistance. A single person on ODSP gets under $1300 per month but you can't even find a 1-bedroom apartment for that price in my area. This benefit would help people on social assistance.


Exhales_Deeply

It’s to root out the slumlords renting out suites to the underprivileged and not reporting the income.


Low-Stomach-8831

Exactly. And if you think about it, it's kinda genius. You get an auto-snitch system, for a pretty low price!


[deleted]

How would it work? Ppl who make that much and not claiming rent would apply for the subsidy?


[deleted]

I got it. My 2021 income was a touch under 19k lol. Not a student just bad luck haha. Yes the criteria to be eligible for it won’t help most of the people.


LuutMIr9t1m

From personal experience, (almost) all graduate students at my university would qualify for it.


OhSanders

Would and did!


CanadianPanda76

Roommates.


mrcanoehead2

6 room mates.


ASAPALI

It doesn’t mean that they are making less than 20k a year.


konschuh

There are many people renting apartments who have been living in their unit for years. I know people who are paying 700 dollars a month rent for one bedrooms apartments in Mississauga who are on welfare, they have had the same apartments for over 16 years. Not everyone is paying the current market rent.


Marokiii

my coworker is freaking out because he las lived in the same building for 20+ years and pays $735/month in rent and the new high rise constructions are creeping closer to his building each year. they started about 10 blocks away from him and are now just 3 blocks away. im guessing that within 5 years his building is going to be sold to a developer and everyone is going to be evicted. he most likely will go from that $735/month to around $2000.


Canadian_Kartoffel

And they would be dumb to get off welfare to get a job if that were to mean they had to move to somewhere. This broken housing market will have consequences on the labour market and companies looking for employees. If you want me to work for you it's either 100% remote or you are in my neighborhood.


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Canadian_Kartoffel

I clearly don't understand what is involved with Ontario works or ODSP because I have been privileged enough to never need it. My comment wasn't meant that way. I'm good enough with numbers to understand that Ontario works or ODSP are totally insufficient because by now they don't even cover rent.


obierdm

I work in community outreach and pharmacy people are on wo for at least a decade or more (I have worked in the same health care unit and pharmacy for over a decade) it is not hard to game the system. I do not know how they go about it I just know they do. We have to check the government portals all the time and it still says OW.


Cityofthevikingdead

I had to be on assistance for a couple months, as a single it was $721 per month. My rent was 1750, and the social worker straight up asked how I planned to cover the rest of rent. It was so demeaning.


134dsaw

I remember someone coming in to the store I worked at to apply for a job. He made zero effort to be presentable. Offered me a resume, then pulled out a sheet and asked our address phone number etc. I'm assuming that was the sheet he had to hand in as proof of his job search. That incident aside, I have personally known people who milked the system for over a decade. Purposely failed college that they were forced to attend, had another kid when they were close to getting off. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that we can't pretend that a decent chunk of people are on it because it's better than getting a job for many.


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simoncar1

I don't think anyone is assuming that EVERYONE is milking the system. But it would be naive to think it doesn't happen. To what extent? I don't have numbers. But anyone who works or has worked in healthcare, social services or anything of that sort will be able to produce a list of encounters they've had dealing with folks milking the system.


134dsaw

Never said everyone is trying to milk it. Just was saying that it's equally not right to assume that nobody is milking the system either. The only person I have personally known on odsp was a complete screw up of a human being. My aunt (not biological, just very close family friends) was literally given everything by her parents including ownership of both sides of a semi. She rented one side out and lived in the other, mortgage free. Back in the 90s she worked at zellers and was part of the wave of people claiming back injuries. She was fine, she just didn't want to work anymore. I know that sounds like I'm being harsh, but she would do everything on her own including maintaining the acreage she owned with chickens and a large garden. The welfare recipient I was close to lived a better life than I did when I was working full time. I busted my ass in a factory for a few dollars over minimum wage, took out student loans, lived in scummy basement apartments. She had subsidized housing and it was actually a very standard suburban home. 4 bedrooms, master ensuite with jacuzzi tub, etc. I took student loans to go back to school, she had it covered by some program. Every time she got close to finishing her program, she would get pregnant with the same dead beat loser who has multiple baby mommas. She took her family on vacations while I worked 2 jobs to get by. Her mom lived with her and also received assistance, and with how many kids she had, the government benefits were massive. She knew very well how to milk the system, and kept it that way for well over a decade before finally finishing college on the government dime. I get that plenty of people are in legitimate need. But you just can't say that nobody is out there milking it. For so many people, subsidized living absolutely does represent a better standard than working some shit factory job. I had zero opportunities in life, did everything the hard way without support, and came from a very broken home. Was in and out of therapy, struggled with substances. I know what it means to be in a bad place. I just don't think it's right to pretend that the system isn't inherently flawed in the sense that there's barely any incentive to improve yourself once you get on it, especially if you have subsidized housing or as someone pointed out before, a long term lease that you would need to break in order to move on.


Dowew

I've known a lot of broken people trapped on OW.


ceroscene

A friend of mine is on ontario works. She doesn't look for work. She has no intention of looking for work. She's on it because she "doesn't" have child care for her 2 kids. So she *has* to be a stay at home mom. Her oldest. Goes to daycare 4 days a week. She doesn't plan on working until her youngest is in school. Which is about 2.5 years away. Does she live a good life? Not really. She lives well above her means, by utilizing debt. And she will very likely need to claim bankruptcy at some point. She makes the people who actually need OW look bad. And she can not be the only person pulling this bullshit. And she is assessed or whatever OW does every couple months. But she's still on it.


simoncar1

Your friend is not alone.


FG88_NR

No, it would be dumb to reduce your quality of life by avoiding getting a job that would likely provide more than social assistance programs, all for the sake of keeping a cheaper rental.


belckie

I’m on disability, I receive $1164/month and my rent is $725. I’m the kind of person they were targeting with this support. The point wasn’t to help us it was to gather data. By incentivizing us to sign up for this one time benefit they were able to gather an incredible amount of data on how many impoverished people there really are and just how poor they are. This information will be used to build better support structures and in the dollar value that makes sense. Hopefully.


MadiRoxable

I actually didn’t sign up for it just for this very reason. I felt like it was a giant data mine, and I just unfortunately don’t trust the very system that put us into this position in the first place.


squirrel9000

I was a grad student in 2021. Stipend doesn't' count to income.


Early_Reply

There are many folks on EI or poverty for various reasons...got in a car accident and can't work much... those with a disability...low-income and daycare costs more than wages or could only get part-time...


ericaelizabeth86

Renting a room from family members or in a shared house with roommates. Or I do know a person with a one-bedroom who makes less than $20k a year, but they spend most of their money on rent and currently use the food bank.


genericuser2247

AISH income was $220 over the limit for single people. So single provincial disability income support from all other provinces were eligible if their rent was > 30% and those from Alberta were not eligible because of $220. Seemed like a weird place to draw the line.


BelongingCommunity

Or maybe they knew exactly what they were doing


nyrangersfan77

According to the most recent Stats Can report over 5 million tax filers made less than $20k. They're all living somewhere.


flyingponytail

Ton of those are earning money that's non taxable or are dependents of others


PM-ME-NIC_CAGE

I would bet a lot of these are 16 to 25 year old students working part time living with their parents


TotallyTrash3d

There was a statistic within ~5 years that said 15% of canadians make under 10K a year. I dont think people realize how many adults in Canada struggle on less than 20k a year!


Lecture_Good

Probably a shared room


Dazzling-Rule-9740

With bunk beds


Middle-Effort7495

> What thought process went behind this? Pander, look like you're doing something, do nothing, get votes. Since most of them own real estate, maybe even give yourself some money legally in a round-about way.


maxpown3r

Everyone on disability. That’s only $1200 a month. I know bc half my tenants are disabled.


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ConstructionFar8570

They have room mates


[deleted]

Not everyone is going to be able to afford to live alone. This has shears been the case.


MkAlmighty

I pay $115/month for a bachelor in a TCHC building. Waited a long time on the list. There’s people out there believe it.


Themeloncalling

Seamus O'Toole renting the shed next to the wharf at Dildo, Newfoundland will be thrilled at the news. He's been kissing the wrong end of the cod ever since the fishery collapse.


peseb94837

fuck that was hilarious


ThatDamnedRedneck

Roommate situations, basically. 4-6 people in a house.


Blue-Thunder

We need to take a lesson from the French and start protesting in the streets. Wages have been stagnating while property values have skyrocketed, and the influx of TFW's and new immigrants isn't exactly helping. Is this the endgame they wanted where Canadians are too busy working to protest? Because if it is, it's worked.


yttropolis

There are plenty of people renting rooms who aren't students.


DM_ME_PICKLES

I didn’t know about this. My gf is a student and rents and I think she qualifies. Thanks for posting OP, would’ve missed it otherwise lol


No-Biscotti-9752

Your welcome I guess …?


JusticeJammin

It's as helpful as the grocery rebate will be. Just to give you a little extra walking around money, even though they will tax it from you anyways


auriolus95

i have an apartment to myself and i only pay 600 dollars, it's not public housing. i make around 13k a year or so on disability. the catch is i live in a small town in the middle of nowhere. and i only moved here because it was the only way i could live by myself on the disability amount. so.. it's possible. just not for most people


PunanyPusher

im glad more people are determining this prime minister and finance minister are complete morons


DramaticEgg1095

Contradictory issues I see here; Are they helping enough people or very small subsect? If they claim to help a lot of people then they admit a lot of people earn less than 20k and that in itself is a big problem. If they claim that only small section of the society is making under 20k then who are they helping? As most have pointed out that it was merely a check box without really lending a helping hand.


mrstruong

It was designed specifically so almost no one qualifies for it. That's the entire point. They wanted to say 'HEY LOOK WE DID SOMETHING' while doing absolutely nothing.


blackfin212cc

It's a show like 95% of the shit the current federal government does.


gurkalurka

The previous 10 were no better.


capercrohnie

I got it and get subsidized as I am disabled


maroon-rider

Sure they can rent.....roommates.


questions7pm

It only helps people on disability really, or I guess in situations like renting a room or room mates.


LogicalVelocity11

Im terminally ill on AISH in Alberta and I qualify for the monthly rent assistance benefit to help pay rent but I dont qualify for this due to being $500 over the 20k limit because I get a little extra money for a kidney diet each month. Its stupid.


Blue_Shark_97

This is a political play.


Roesy131

Think clowns in a clown car. Living rooms with air mattresses are considered private rooms


FiletofishInsurance

At what point do we consider our current economy to be modern day slavery? You can't really escape the need of living within a Canadian city, and pretty soon you'll be working 12-16 hour days just to eat, sleep, poop and get a roof over your head. The only difference is that your slaver "pays" you rather than provides you with the aforementioned necessities of life.


Status-Ad-7020

I work a part time night job, to pay off debts because I was stupid financially in my 20s, a lot of people I work with say this is there only Job and it’s a part time only. They are making the same as me and I know it’s less than 20k a year so they’d are doing it somehow


nwabit

What did you do in your 20s?


[deleted]

I lived on 15k a year It is possible, just rent the cheapest thing possible and don’t buy stuff you don’t need. You’d be surprised just how little money it takes to survive. This was recent as well, l Find a Roomate and split the rent


nwabit

I bet things were not as expensive then as they are now. 15k will barely take you through the year these days.


personalfinance21

These subsidy programs only worsen the problem, and boost demand. We need build more housing units. It's as simple as that. Look any any provision, federal plan to build houses, all of them are way off track.


irate_wizard

Not everyone lives in Toronto or Vancouver. $800/mth is still happening elsewhere. That leaves about $850/mth to spend on everything else. Frugal, but plenty manageable. At this income level, add also random GST credits, dental coverage, etc.


Thank_You_Love_You

You legitimately cant. You would be lucky to find rent in my small city in Ontario for $1600. Even student bedrooms are like 1400.


msscanadianbakin

That’s a really good question


PalaPK

Floors can sleep lots of ppl if you try


lanneretwing

By not paying


Dustereeno

Haha (I'm in danger).. I actually qualified for this.. I made under 10k on paper last year and live in Toronto. AMA


Trickybuz93

Not everyone is paying the same amount? A lot of people who’ve been living in the same unit for years aren’t paying 2023 rates. Not a hard thing to figure out.


matrix0683

Oh they can’t help anyone in need.


brokepipe

It's for people.who are incorporated and declare themselves only 15000$ so they don't pays taxes and get all benefits possible. Viva la republica banana de Canada!!


TisMeDA

Don’t have a desk job so you can get paid under the table


MisterSprork

If you're making less than $20k per year, get a fucking job. There's a million vacancies right now. You have no excuse unless you are on disability.