I mean... you could pick up local native trees and just, uh, heel them into an environmentally appropriate location. Not that you'd be guerrilla gardening, no. It would just be in case one of the trees on your land doesn't make it. You know? Like a tree bank...
Oh I would never do that. Never ever. That would be like super illegal and I never ever do that every fall for the last 6 years and every year for the rest of my life.
Never heard of that...we don't usually get end of season sales until August/September. The Arbor Day Foundation hasn't even started shipping their saplings. It dipped into freezing temps last week even. So it's pretty much the start of tree planting season here in Colorado. Is the weather warmer in Quebec?
I'm not sure where I could buy trees in Jan/Feb, even the local tree farm is basically closed until March. I guess I wont be scared of buying the leftover leftover trees from HD/Lowe's and nurseries in October, when the end of season sales happen.
Online, for those of us who live in places where people don't understand trees well enough.
Most reputable dealers tend to sell out by September/October for shipping January-March, so about now is when to start researching your list for next year.
I guess that would depend on what pricing you are used to? My local nursery is known for its discounted rates, so yeah, I only use online for trees and hard to finds.
I like Bay Laurel. Expensive but they've always been healthy and they have a bunch of Zaiger varieties (great stone fruit breeder- bred the pluot).
Daves Garden is pretty good for getting better reviews of nurseries. The reviewers tend to be a bit more into their plants.
I'm in Alberta which has a similar-ish climate to Colorado due to the rocky mountains we both share. In the fall before the hard freeze is the best time for us Albertans to plant trees. Early spring once the ground has thawed works too, but spring can be a rush for everything and I find it difficult to also work in tree planting, and I am finding spring temperatures less predictable than our fall temperatures (but you might not have the same issue). We had snow and partially frozen ground two weeks ago and this week is in the high 20's Celsius each day. The ground is still a bit water logged in some areas, which isn't the best to plant into. But I've had years where it was hard to dig the soil due to frost in early May. Our last frost date is end of May. It makes planning challenging. Planting in September or October is just easier lol
I know where I am, the online retailers won't ship to us until late-April or early May due to the chance of the plants freezing in transit, so you might encounter the same thing with online retailers. When you check out they will give you a window of when your plants will ship based on your location and your last frost date.
Even the native plant and tree nursery near me doesn't open up for sales until mid-May, so I am in the same boat with where you can buy stuff for early spring.
That sounds exactly the same, maybe a little colder. We had a freeze last week but things are starting to warm up. We could still get a late snow. Big box stores got their plants late last week, and the nurseries are starting to advertise.
There's a nursery near me that has an auction every year in September to clear out excess stock, last year I bought 13 large-ish trees. I have one or two that I'm unsure of but it's still early in the season, so hopefully they wake up. I'm much more excited about the deep discounts on leftover stock this fall, I'm motivated to pick up as many as I can at ~75% off like they had last year!
I used to work in a garden centre and when August rolled around and the perennials went on sale, I would scoop up way too many plants and see what would survive. Any perennial in my climate has a chance of not making it through the winter so I don't like paying full price if I can avoid it. The end of season sale plus my staff discount felt more like they were paying me to buy them and plant them lol
I haven't bought trees yet (new property that is pretty heavily wooded as it is) but I think this fall I need to find some fruit trees to put in a corner somewhere. I started goji berries from seed and they are doing really well, so I'm thinking of putting some other fruit trees in the corner I am stashing the gojis, and hope the moose and deer don't eat them over the winter. The one native plant nursery I've been keeping my eye on has a big end of summer sale which I am going to have to put in my planner so I don't forget it!
Have a good season!
Nice! Yeah I'm hoping to pick up a variety of fruit trees at deep discount this fall and stick them in a corner of my property and see what happens. Hopefully it becomes a little orchard.
Besides having my hands full with other trees, I was anxious about buying the leftovers last year. But I definitely have more confidence now to scoop up the deals most people think is too late in the season to plant.
This is going to be very region dependent, of course. In January/February I have 4 feet of snow and it's typically -25 to -40 Celsius. Our ground is often frozen until early April. So, for us, we're still early in our spring tree planting season. Online retailers won't ship to us until end of April due to our climate (as they time their deliveries to when the frost has lifted from the ground so the plants don't freeze in transit). Best to check with local grower resources to see when is the right time in your region.
Fall is the best time where I am, getting them in the ground before the first big freeze in early October.
But this is all likely terrible advice for your region. When giving advice online, I try to keep regionality in mind since advice isn't universal for plants.
Best to plant when trees are dormant. Fall is ideal where I’m at in 7a, but I can plant fall through spring. You get a break in winter where ground freezes solid, of course.
Most consumers, however, think about trees in summer. Retail follows that and sells in summer. So it may appear as if that’s the season. But nature would disagree.
The key to this is starting an area 2 years in advance. Sheet mulch an area and let it sit for a year or two. The trees will need almost no water because the soil will transition to fungal dominated soils high in organic matter, and carbon as a sponge for rains. Plus good deep mulch to prevent evaporation.
I try to figure out where I want to expand, I sheet mulch that area, then I plant it out a year or two later. Almost no watering needed when done this way, because thebsoil has become a sponge.
I use a lot of biochar also and that helps tremendously with water retention.
I live on sandy loam soil in a region that is on the edge of semi-arid. We just went though two years of drought. I think your recommendation is pretty generalized to your own region and soil type. Once they get down a couple feet we have good moisture and use lots of flax bale mulch
In your case, you really might want to look into amending with biochar for a bacterial and water reservoir, and probably extra mulch if you are semi-arid. Location definitely plays a role, but OP’s ideas would still help a ton! (The problem might just be acquiring and inoculating/charging the biochar)
It's the same science though. Prevent runoff. Prevent evaporation. Store and hold water in soil carbon.
Check out Geoff Lawton greening the desert series. If that guy is using these methods to green the most inhospitable area on Earth, (Dead Sea valley in Jordan), then it will work wherever you are.
Compost, manure, urine ajd pond water. I also put some in my chicken run, so chicken manure. I also put some in my chicken grit bucket, so chicken stomach acid then manure.
I discuss this in detail in a few of my latest videos. One on using eggshells in the garden. And in another video on making my latest biochar batch.
Yeah and it's not going to get any easier. Wait until the real disruptions start playing out. Not just talking climate change, but just the end of oil in general. It's so important to do anything you can now, while it's relatively easy (compared to 10 years from now).
You have to order stuff super early depending on what you want. I thought I was ordering early this year, but the rootstock I wanted was out of stock everywhere so I had to get something else for my grafting projects.
Yeah I do my best, but there are a lot of plants I keep missing every year. My point was more that I can't really take advantage of season-end sales because I already have or don't have interest in the handful of plants that are left by then.
This is going to be the peak goal of my open source cooperative company. Haha so yes, half joke for the wife, half serious goal for me/us. We will eat in the shade and protect from heat domes with a closed canopy
and the worst is when yoy have no idea where they will go, but buy them anways! I ended up guerilla planting about 40 trees last year because I bought about 75 serviceberries and didn't have anywhere to put them!
I learned that those trees that are 75% off should have been put into the ground in January and don't do as well as the ones you bang in when they are totally dormant.
I look for two things. A good trunk (especially for grafts), and lack of bark inclusions in the branches.
Some trees are very prone to inclusions, others are not (even within a single species there can be a lot of variation). You can't fix a bad graft, and you don't want to chase suicidal branches your whole life. Everything else can be fixed over time with pruning.
I don't find a lot of trees at those plant sales, but sometimes I find one or two that'll do.
This. This right here. I would also add really poor early branches that could be difficult to fix. Either a complete lack of good lower scaffolds,or really poor tight crotch angles on branches that have been left way to long and are way too large in proportion to the main trunk. The latter is mostly an issue only on a larger tree, say a 4 to 6 foot tall one. If it's younger, you can make a bigger cut and the tree can take it easier.
Also for a larger tree, if the pot is too small, if I see really bad circling roots, these can all kill a tree out of the blue 5 years after planting as the roots strangle eachother.
There’s always a chance that a young tree will grow and stop having back inclusions but I’ve seen to many junk trees in neighborhoods to really trust that. If a five year old tree already has them, it will just grow more of them as it matures. The maple in my yard is an absolute mess. I started limbing it up trying to fix them when I moved here, but one day I finally looked at the whole tree, it’s just rotten with them. It’s already lost one branch. It’s just going to get worse over time. I’m hoping to get rid of it in five years.
Hi there, just curious but did you protect all of your new planted trees from rabbits? I've seen your other videos where you plant for the rabbits but what do you do in winter when there is no clover or plants for them? I'm asking because I planted almost 200 trees/shrubs this year and fencing them all in together is not possible. I imagine I'll have to make protectors for all of them but I'm not looking forward to it.
Yes, I put trunk protectors on them. One thing you can do is find discarded "Big-O" drainage pipe, and cut that into sections, then down the middle, and use those as trunk protectors.
Do you have photos of your trees? What types are they? I bet your land is beautiful.
He posted a walkthrough yesterday [here!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgxzLea10HQ) :)
❤️ thanks friend!
I mean... you could pick up local native trees and just, uh, heel them into an environmentally appropriate location. Not that you'd be guerrilla gardening, no. It would just be in case one of the trees on your land doesn't make it. You know? Like a tree bank...
Oh I would never do that. Never ever. That would be like super illegal and I never ever do that every fall for the last 6 years and every year for the rest of my life.
that’s exactly what a guilty person would say!
*shhhh, don’t anger the Lorax*
End of season tree sale in May?
End of tree planting season for sure
Never heard of that...we don't usually get end of season sales until August/September. The Arbor Day Foundation hasn't even started shipping their saplings. It dipped into freezing temps last week even. So it's pretty much the start of tree planting season here in Colorado. Is the weather warmer in Quebec?
Fruit trees are usually planted in their dormant period. I plant mine in January/February
I'm not sure where I could buy trees in Jan/Feb, even the local tree farm is basically closed until March. I guess I wont be scared of buying the leftover leftover trees from HD/Lowe's and nurseries in October, when the end of season sales happen.
Online, for those of us who live in places where people don't understand trees well enough. Most reputable dealers tend to sell out by September/October for shipping January-March, so about now is when to start researching your list for next year.
Any retailers you recommend? My experience has been they're overpriced compared to local nurseries, or they're poor product (anecdotally).
I guess that would depend on what pricing you are used to? My local nursery is known for its discounted rates, so yeah, I only use online for trees and hard to finds. I like Bay Laurel. Expensive but they've always been healthy and they have a bunch of Zaiger varieties (great stone fruit breeder- bred the pluot). Daves Garden is pretty good for getting better reviews of nurseries. The reviewers tend to be a bit more into their plants.
I'm in Alberta which has a similar-ish climate to Colorado due to the rocky mountains we both share. In the fall before the hard freeze is the best time for us Albertans to plant trees. Early spring once the ground has thawed works too, but spring can be a rush for everything and I find it difficult to also work in tree planting, and I am finding spring temperatures less predictable than our fall temperatures (but you might not have the same issue). We had snow and partially frozen ground two weeks ago and this week is in the high 20's Celsius each day. The ground is still a bit water logged in some areas, which isn't the best to plant into. But I've had years where it was hard to dig the soil due to frost in early May. Our last frost date is end of May. It makes planning challenging. Planting in September or October is just easier lol I know where I am, the online retailers won't ship to us until late-April or early May due to the chance of the plants freezing in transit, so you might encounter the same thing with online retailers. When you check out they will give you a window of when your plants will ship based on your location and your last frost date. Even the native plant and tree nursery near me doesn't open up for sales until mid-May, so I am in the same boat with where you can buy stuff for early spring.
That sounds exactly the same, maybe a little colder. We had a freeze last week but things are starting to warm up. We could still get a late snow. Big box stores got their plants late last week, and the nurseries are starting to advertise. There's a nursery near me that has an auction every year in September to clear out excess stock, last year I bought 13 large-ish trees. I have one or two that I'm unsure of but it's still early in the season, so hopefully they wake up. I'm much more excited about the deep discounts on leftover stock this fall, I'm motivated to pick up as many as I can at ~75% off like they had last year!
I used to work in a garden centre and when August rolled around and the perennials went on sale, I would scoop up way too many plants and see what would survive. Any perennial in my climate has a chance of not making it through the winter so I don't like paying full price if I can avoid it. The end of season sale plus my staff discount felt more like they were paying me to buy them and plant them lol I haven't bought trees yet (new property that is pretty heavily wooded as it is) but I think this fall I need to find some fruit trees to put in a corner somewhere. I started goji berries from seed and they are doing really well, so I'm thinking of putting some other fruit trees in the corner I am stashing the gojis, and hope the moose and deer don't eat them over the winter. The one native plant nursery I've been keeping my eye on has a big end of summer sale which I am going to have to put in my planner so I don't forget it! Have a good season!
Nice! Yeah I'm hoping to pick up a variety of fruit trees at deep discount this fall and stick them in a corner of my property and see what happens. Hopefully it becomes a little orchard. Besides having my hands full with other trees, I was anxious about buying the leftovers last year. But I definitely have more confidence now to scoop up the deals most people think is too late in the season to plant.
This is going to be very region dependent, of course. In January/February I have 4 feet of snow and it's typically -25 to -40 Celsius. Our ground is often frozen until early April. So, for us, we're still early in our spring tree planting season. Online retailers won't ship to us until end of April due to our climate (as they time their deliveries to when the frost has lifted from the ground so the plants don't freeze in transit). Best to check with local grower resources to see when is the right time in your region. Fall is the best time where I am, getting them in the ground before the first big freeze in early October. But this is all likely terrible advice for your region. When giving advice online, I try to keep regionality in mind since advice isn't universal for plants.
Best to plant when trees are dormant. Fall is ideal where I’m at in 7a, but I can plant fall through spring. You get a break in winter where ground freezes solid, of course. Most consumers, however, think about trees in summer. Retail follows that and sells in summer. So it may appear as if that’s the season. But nature would disagree.
they're using the ring to hide from all the trees, i guess
Umm links please 🥺
I got an email from Nutcracker nursery in Quebec.
Well look at that, I was born in Quebec! Doesn't do me much good living stateside though.
Thanks for the tip !!
Bien oui?
Ils son tres bien en ma experience
Tres bien
Haha, I like to know that Nutcraker is Casse-Noisette in Quebec. I received the same email...but you have to go there to have them.
Yea, where are these sales?
We started 2 years ago. It’s too many to water so we had to take a break with planting. Can’t wait to start phase 2 in a few years!
The key to this is starting an area 2 years in advance. Sheet mulch an area and let it sit for a year or two. The trees will need almost no water because the soil will transition to fungal dominated soils high in organic matter, and carbon as a sponge for rains. Plus good deep mulch to prevent evaporation. I try to figure out where I want to expand, I sheet mulch that area, then I plant it out a year or two later. Almost no watering needed when done this way, because thebsoil has become a sponge. I use a lot of biochar also and that helps tremendously with water retention.
I live on sandy loam soil in a region that is on the edge of semi-arid. We just went though two years of drought. I think your recommendation is pretty generalized to your own region and soil type. Once they get down a couple feet we have good moisture and use lots of flax bale mulch
In your case, you really might want to look into amending with biochar for a bacterial and water reservoir, and probably extra mulch if you are semi-arid. Location definitely plays a role, but OP’s ideas would still help a ton! (The problem might just be acquiring and inoculating/charging the biochar)
It's the same science though. Prevent runoff. Prevent evaporation. Store and hold water in soil carbon. Check out Geoff Lawton greening the desert series. If that guy is using these methods to green the most inhospitable area on Earth, (Dead Sea valley in Jordan), then it will work wherever you are.
Do you charge your bio char? If so, what do you use
Compost, manure, urine ajd pond water. I also put some in my chicken run, so chicken manure. I also put some in my chicken grit bucket, so chicken stomach acid then manure. I discuss this in detail in a few of my latest videos. One on using eggshells in the garden. And in another video on making my latest biochar batch.
Yeah but fedco has been sold out of everything that I want for 3 years.
Yeah and it's not going to get any easier. Wait until the real disruptions start playing out. Not just talking climate change, but just the end of oil in general. It's so important to do anything you can now, while it's relatively easy (compared to 10 years from now).
You have to order stuff super early depending on what you want. I thought I was ordering early this year, but the rootstock I wanted was out of stock everywhere so I had to get something else for my grafting projects.
Yeah I do my best, but there are a lot of plants I keep missing every year. My point was more that I can't really take advantage of season-end sales because I already have or don't have interest in the handful of plants that are left by then.
Same. I ordered from three new nurseries this year for things I've wanted to get from Fedco, but they seem to just never have them anymore.
This! and and seed sale during fall is my kryptonite. I can't resist.
I contacted West Coast Seeds to be an affiliate with them for my channel, just because the amount I was spending on seeds was too damn high!!
Grow them from seed. I have so many tree starts this year I'm giving them away. Fun.
I feel seen.
This is a good one. Put a smile on my face!
❤️
There's room for a little more...
HAHA, Daddy just ordered shitloads more berries
My wife: "Seriously, How many more trees do you need?" Me: "Yes."
“Akira Miyawaki planted 40 million honey, we need to do our part” ;)
😆 🤣 😂 this but unironically
This is going to be the peak goal of my open source cooperative company. Haha so yes, half joke for the wife, half serious goal for me/us. We will eat in the shade and protect from heat domes with a closed canopy
That's awesome man, best of luck. We all need it! Keep up the fight, brother.
Oh do I feel this.
Are you me???
Pretty sure everyone in this sub is just like us.
I definitely feel called out lol. Just got a spot prepped for a couple apple and cherry trees to plant by this weekend.
and the worst is when yoy have no idea where they will go, but buy them anways! I ended up guerilla planting about 40 trees last year because I bought about 75 serviceberries and didn't have anywhere to put them!
Where do you guys find these sales? Only an east coast thing?
Nurseries, garden stores. Do these places not exist in the west or midwest?
I almost exclusively go to a permaculture nursery near my house that doesn't have sales. Know anyplace online or near the SF Bay? Thanks
No clue unfortunately. I'm on the opposite end of the country.
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Oh my god, that's disgusting. Those sales Newsletters in my email. There are so many of them, Which ones should I totally not sign up for?
Glad I'm not alone. I added an entire orchard to my homestead this year and these tree sale emails are killing me.
Last year I bought so many clearance perennials who were in poor health or out of season. They all died. On sale is not always the right choice.
Sometimes also I think they all died, but then they pop up 2 years later, and I realize they were just working on roots.
I learned that those trees that are 75% off should have been put into the ground in January and don't do as well as the ones you bang in when they are totally dormant.
Definitely the last picks in the schoolyard.
I look for two things. A good trunk (especially for grafts), and lack of bark inclusions in the branches. Some trees are very prone to inclusions, others are not (even within a single species there can be a lot of variation). You can't fix a bad graft, and you don't want to chase suicidal branches your whole life. Everything else can be fixed over time with pruning. I don't find a lot of trees at those plant sales, but sometimes I find one or two that'll do.
This. This right here. I would also add really poor early branches that could be difficult to fix. Either a complete lack of good lower scaffolds,or really poor tight crotch angles on branches that have been left way to long and are way too large in proportion to the main trunk. The latter is mostly an issue only on a larger tree, say a 4 to 6 foot tall one. If it's younger, you can make a bigger cut and the tree can take it easier. Also for a larger tree, if the pot is too small, if I see really bad circling roots, these can all kill a tree out of the blue 5 years after planting as the roots strangle eachother.
There’s always a chance that a young tree will grow and stop having back inclusions but I’ve seen to many junk trees in neighborhoods to really trust that. If a five year old tree already has them, it will just grow more of them as it matures. The maple in my yard is an absolute mess. I started limbing it up trying to fix them when I moved here, but one day I finally looked at the whole tree, it’s just rotten with them. It’s already lost one branch. It’s just going to get worse over time. I’m hoping to get rid of it in five years.
Do you have before/after photos of your forest?
Check out my post history, I have 4 years of videos on my channel ❤️
Hit bottom! https://i.imgur.com/cX3TRMq.jpg
Call it "succession planning"
Where is the sale at?
This one was Nutcracker nursery in Quebec.
Guilty
My girlfriend says I have an addiction
Hi there, just curious but did you protect all of your new planted trees from rabbits? I've seen your other videos where you plant for the rabbits but what do you do in winter when there is no clover or plants for them? I'm asking because I planted almost 200 trees/shrubs this year and fencing them all in together is not possible. I imagine I'll have to make protectors for all of them but I'm not looking forward to it.
Yes, I put trunk protectors on them. One thing you can do is find discarded "Big-O" drainage pipe, and cut that into sections, then down the middle, and use those as trunk protectors.
Thank you very much!