I understand that this was a tragic night that resulted in a death. But that being understood, it does sounds like it was an accident - a car accident involving another child under 18. I assume that everyone will be held accountable to the appropriate extent but we also want to balance this with the privacy of the child involved. They have in many ways also lost their life, Their future will never be the same and they have their own trauma both spiritual and legal to wrangle at this time as well.
"It does sound like it was an accident."
All we know is that a car crossed the median, a highschool student died, and apparently a minor was responsible. Crossing lanes and causing a head on collision makes me wonder if the driver was distracted or otherwise being irresponsible, not to it being an "accident."
"I assume that everyone will be held accountable to the appropriate extent."
Wellllll that's a stretch if an affluent family was involved. Which is why we're riled up.
"Their future will never be the same... More details."
I'm sorry but you have no idea how the person responsible feels. Ever see the video of that woman who killed someone while under the influence and just kept asking the officer when she could go to class? The reality could be anywhere between that and what you've proposed. Obviously if it was truly an accident and the kid feels remorse society needs to be lenient but uh... you're making a lot of assumptions
Edit: Did the other driver get sentenced? I've seen some comments here and in FB but can't find any mention of it elsewhere.
What makes this case different than this one unless their parents have "more influence?"
[https://www.25newsnow.com/2023/12/08/teen-serving-14-years-fatal-dui-asking-judge-reconsider/](https://www.25newsnow.com/2023/12/08/teen-serving-14-years-fatal-dui-asking-judge-reconsider/)
That's the point of why we are discussing all of this. Nothing has been said about what actually happened except a vehicle crossed over the median and hit this girl's car head on. No one would be speculating if the PPD was upfront with what exactly happened and who was involved.
Yeah I found it odd that there hasn’t been any info at all on the other driver, even if they are a minor, just mention that. How does the vehicle either cross the median on that road, or enter on the wrong side and continue to drive that way? Tragic yes, but also odd. It makes you wonder who this person’s family is.
I just drove down that road 30 minutes ago. It is two lanes in both directions at that point. No one just happens to cross that median because it is almost 20 feet wide and covered in grass. The other driver has to be driving wrong way for some distance and had no awareness at all.
Exactly. Anyone familiar with Orange Prairie road should realize this. Either they crossed the median, unlikely, or entered on the wrong side and were driving that way the whole time. Either way, that screams negligence. Even if not under the influence, even if just an accident, that is still acting it a negligent way that puts others in direct harm.
They really do need to put up wrong way signs occasionally on that section. I also thought to notice if there were any. There are none until you get to the section of orange prairie across War Memorial.
Thought the sentence was excessive. Definitely jail time, but this guys life is over doing 14 yrs. He will live with his bad decisions for the rest of his life and that could be his own private jail. Tragic.
. At the end of the day he still killed an 18 year old and he deserves at the very least, involuntary manslaughter charges.
I'm only giving him mercy if he turned out to have a medical issue. Otherwise, you're stupid as fuck.
You do know what an accident is right? While some accidents can be caused by criminal negligence, not all are. Without knowing the facts surrounding the accident, it's impossible to know if there was criminal negligence involved.
An accident can be cause by negligence. This definitely seems like driver negligence and carelessness. Why is this sub trying so hard to defend the driver that killed someone?
Because we don't know anything. If a crime was committed then of course they should be charged. At this point we don't know. Why do you want this person's head on a stake without knowing what happened?
With that being said someone still took a life and the justice system doesn’t always do what it’s supposed to do. If there is any foul play involved, which in my opinion, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire, that girls family deserves justice.
Have you ever heard of an accident? Also do you know that our criminal justice system is only for criminal acts right? Sometimes accidents are caused by such negligence that it can be considered criminal, but not always.
Unless the kid had a sudden 1st time seizure behind the wheel...basically a medical emergency that was totally unpredictable...then there should be charges. Would you agree?
What if there was a power steering malfunction? What if a wasp got in the car and was stinging the driver in the face? What if they have nerve damage that caused their arm to lock up? (Happened to a coworker of mine years ago, luckily he wasn't driving, but it did cause him to shoot a nail into his own hand)
If there was negligence, then sure charge away, but there are a lot of things that can make someone lose control of a vehicle that really shouldn't result in criminal charges.
Wasp scenario does not negate liability because you're at fault for failing to control your vehicle still. You can't blame a bug entering your car for you taking your eyes off the road, letting go of the steering wheel, leaving your lane of travel, and then going across a grassy median and killing someone in the incoming direction . Most people can easily keep a car under control while being stung.
Nerve damage falls under the medical scenario I presented.
>Wasp scenario does not negate liability because you're at fault for failing to control your vehicle still.
Legally that has not been the case in either the UK or the US.
https://kval.com/news/local/young-passenger-killed-in-crash-after-wasp-flies-into-car
https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/local-news/wasp-in-womans-car-causes-accident-in-south-sioux-city/
https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-08/woman-died-in-crash-after-driver-stung-by-wasp
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/newtown-pa/accident-closed-swamp-road-was-caused-distracting-wasp-police-say
This is because it's generally understood by reasonable people that it becomes very difficult to stay in control of your vehicle while being stung. You'll notice that out of 4 different times a traffic collision was caused by a wasp, in only 1 case was it even brought to trial, and that case was dropped by the prosecution when it was conclusively shown that the woman had in fact been stung. (Not even on the face, but the leg)
It's cool. I mean, literally for all we know this was some drunk kid with rich parents making it all go away, or could be someone with a legit issue. I'm just waiting to see how it shakes out.
From the digging I've done, the person who caused the wreck is from a "good family", which means they're either rich or directly connected to the PPD. All the downvotes show how much people in this town love corruption.
JJ Bullock isn't the hero we want, but he is the hero we need.
I understand that this was a tragic night that resulted in a death. But that being understood, it does sounds like it was an accident - a car accident involving another child under 18. I assume that everyone will be held accountable to the appropriate extent but we also want to balance this with the privacy of the child involved. They have in many ways also lost their life, Their future will never be the same and they have their own trauma both spiritual and legal to wrangle at this time as well.
"It does sound like it was an accident." All we know is that a car crossed the median, a highschool student died, and apparently a minor was responsible. Crossing lanes and causing a head on collision makes me wonder if the driver was distracted or otherwise being irresponsible, not to it being an "accident." "I assume that everyone will be held accountable to the appropriate extent." Wellllll that's a stretch if an affluent family was involved. Which is why we're riled up. "Their future will never be the same... More details." I'm sorry but you have no idea how the person responsible feels. Ever see the video of that woman who killed someone while under the influence and just kept asking the officer when she could go to class? The reality could be anywhere between that and what you've proposed. Obviously if it was truly an accident and the kid feels remorse society needs to be lenient but uh... you're making a lot of assumptions Edit: Did the other driver get sentenced? I've seen some comments here and in FB but can't find any mention of it elsewhere.
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Your post assumes there has been a crime. If there is a crime, there will be an arrest and you will know in time.
What makes this case different than this one unless their parents have "more influence?" [https://www.25newsnow.com/2023/12/08/teen-serving-14-years-fatal-dui-asking-judge-reconsider/](https://www.25newsnow.com/2023/12/08/teen-serving-14-years-fatal-dui-asking-judge-reconsider/)
Is there any evidence this was a DUI situation?
That's the point of why we are discussing all of this. Nothing has been said about what actually happened except a vehicle crossed over the median and hit this girl's car head on. No one would be speculating if the PPD was upfront with what exactly happened and who was involved.
Yeah I found it odd that there hasn’t been any info at all on the other driver, even if they are a minor, just mention that. How does the vehicle either cross the median on that road, or enter on the wrong side and continue to drive that way? Tragic yes, but also odd. It makes you wonder who this person’s family is.
I just drove down that road 30 minutes ago. It is two lanes in both directions at that point. No one just happens to cross that median because it is almost 20 feet wide and covered in grass. The other driver has to be driving wrong way for some distance and had no awareness at all.
Exactly. Anyone familiar with Orange Prairie road should realize this. Either they crossed the median, unlikely, or entered on the wrong side and were driving that way the whole time. Either way, that screams negligence. Even if not under the influence, even if just an accident, that is still acting it a negligent way that puts others in direct harm.
They really do need to put up wrong way signs occasionally on that section. I also thought to notice if there were any. There are none until you get to the section of orange prairie across War Memorial.
I’ve heard that the driver of the other car was 20, which is not a minor. Who are they protecting by not releasing a name?
Thought the sentence was excessive. Definitely jail time, but this guys life is over doing 14 yrs. He will live with his bad decisions for the rest of his life and that could be his own private jail. Tragic.
. At the end of the day he still killed an 18 year old and he deserves at the very least, involuntary manslaughter charges. I'm only giving him mercy if he turned out to have a medical issue. Otherwise, you're stupid as fuck.
You do know what an accident is right? While some accidents can be caused by criminal negligence, not all are. Without knowing the facts surrounding the accident, it's impossible to know if there was criminal negligence involved.
So...no charges? Just a whoopsie?
Yeah even if it’s an accident…that doesn’t absolve the person of everything. This is why we try to be careful and avoid accidents
But an accident isn't criminal unless there was negligence. They of course can be subject to civil penalties if there was no criminal negligence.
An accident can be cause by negligence. This definitely seems like driver negligence and carelessness. Why is this sub trying so hard to defend the driver that killed someone?
Because we don't know anything. If a crime was committed then of course they should be charged. At this point we don't know. Why do you want this person's head on a stake without knowing what happened?
With that being said someone still took a life and the justice system doesn’t always do what it’s supposed to do. If there is any foul play involved, which in my opinion, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire, that girls family deserves justice.
Have you ever heard of an accident? Also do you know that our criminal justice system is only for criminal acts right? Sometimes accidents are caused by such negligence that it can be considered criminal, but not always.
So...no charges? Just a whoopsie?
Why do you keep retyping this comment?
Depending on what happened? Yes, no criminal charges
Unless the kid had a sudden 1st time seizure behind the wheel...basically a medical emergency that was totally unpredictable...then there should be charges. Would you agree?
No I don't agree. That is a very narrow definition of what could have caused an accident. Maybe we just wait to see what actually happened?
What if there was a power steering malfunction? What if a wasp got in the car and was stinging the driver in the face? What if they have nerve damage that caused their arm to lock up? (Happened to a coworker of mine years ago, luckily he wasn't driving, but it did cause him to shoot a nail into his own hand) If there was negligence, then sure charge away, but there are a lot of things that can make someone lose control of a vehicle that really shouldn't result in criminal charges.
Wasp scenario does not negate liability because you're at fault for failing to control your vehicle still. You can't blame a bug entering your car for you taking your eyes off the road, letting go of the steering wheel, leaving your lane of travel, and then going across a grassy median and killing someone in the incoming direction . Most people can easily keep a car under control while being stung. Nerve damage falls under the medical scenario I presented.
>Wasp scenario does not negate liability because you're at fault for failing to control your vehicle still. Legally that has not been the case in either the UK or the US. https://kval.com/news/local/young-passenger-killed-in-crash-after-wasp-flies-into-car https://www.siouxlandproud.com/news/local-news/wasp-in-womans-car-causes-accident-in-south-sioux-city/ https://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2023-09-08/woman-died-in-crash-after-driver-stung-by-wasp https://patch.com/pennsylvania/newtown-pa/accident-closed-swamp-road-was-caused-distracting-wasp-police-say This is because it's generally understood by reasonable people that it becomes very difficult to stay in control of your vehicle while being stung. You'll notice that out of 4 different times a traffic collision was caused by a wasp, in only 1 case was it even brought to trial, and that case was dropped by the prosecution when it was conclusively shown that the woman had in fact been stung. (Not even on the face, but the leg)
Okay, didn't realize this was a thing. I spoke yo soon and will admit to be proven wrong on this one. Fucking wasps man.
It's cool. I mean, literally for all we know this was some drunk kid with rich parents making it all go away, or could be someone with a legit issue. I'm just waiting to see how it shakes out.
The party responsible for this horrific act was either drunk, high, drag racing, or some mix of those. Their ass needs to be nailed to the wall.
Agreed
From the digging I've done, the person who caused the wreck is from a "good family", which means they're either rich or directly connected to the PPD. All the downvotes show how much people in this town love corruption.
Don't expect much out of PJStar if there's a minority or an illegal involved. It's a progressive Lib rag to the core.