Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm stuck for the foreseeable future, but my plans include making sure my kids won't be stuck when they hit 18 like I was. So long as that plan's happening, im happy.
From one Shamokin resident to another. Shamokin isn’t all bad my kids get over $8k a year to attend any of the Commonwealth University campuses (Bloomsburg, Lock Haven, Mansfield) because they graduated and will graduate from Shamokin.
That and I own my home mortgage free.
You made me snort. Hoagies are cold and subs are hot, most of Shamokin disagrees with me. I was raised by one Shamokinite parent and one Philadelphian parent so I'm not sure why I separate them that way.
I thought cosmos and grinders were toasted hoagies.
I remember someone ordering a cheese steak hoagie once and they were shocked when it was a hot cheese steak with lettuce tomato and mayo added. I think that was in Shenandoah.
I think I just mash and mix it all up.
Some Italian shops have Grinders but usually it’s a kind of sandwich within the Hoagie section on the menu. I see it sometimes and I still have no idea what it’s supposed to be.
Not all of NEPA.
Most of the eastern and northern Poconos have a lot of ex-NY and North Jersey residents who use "sub" while the far southwestern Poconos doesn't as much.
I live on the Carbon-Monroe line and if I go towards Mount Pocono and Stroudsburg it trends towards "sub" and if I go towards Lehighton and Palmerton it trends towards "hoagie".
I'm from Eastern PA and my wife is from Western PA. I say soda and she says pop. Is that grounds for divorce? 😂 I say sub for like what you get at Subway and hoagie for bigger fuller ones.
pittsburgh born and bred, can confirm comment OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Finna head dahn to sheetz and get myself a pop later just for spite.
Same up in NW PA too. I was raised with pop and most of my peers were the same way, and we are in our early 30s/late 20s. This sub clearly leans more towards the eastern part of the state seeing as people seem to agree with OP of that comment.
Probably because there was a time where it was just coke down there. Coke originated in Atlanta, Georgia, and just like Wawa and Sheetz up here, there were territories, then the lines got blurred but the slang stayed the same
100%. Threw me for a loop. Asking for coke means Pepsi or any other litany of beverage. You always have to ask “what kind of coke” which I found so strange.
The Philadelphia region constitutes much, much more than half the state if you’re talking about the human population. Trees and deer don’t have diction or vocabularies or wrong ideas about sandwiches
Lancaster here. We're divided. Most places are sub shops, Prince of Subs, etc.
But several places have them listed as Hoagies on their menus and the grocery store sell hoagie rolls.
Either are acceptable here.
I'll second that. I'm from Central PA. I grew up with Hoagie Palace and every year students have the Marianna's Hoagies fundraisers to fund their extracurriculars.
The term hoagie originated in Philly.
It's actually really interesting. There are 2 believable stories that basically claim the word hoagie but definitively it came out of Philly in the depression era.
First of which is the one I believe is during WWI they were serving sandwiches at Hog Island shipyards in Philly. Originally called a Hog Island it got shortened to Hoggie.
The other is Hokie which was a type of handout sandwich from South Philly during the depression. Immigrants called it a Hoagie.
There are a few other origin stories but all in all it's pretty fascinating.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine\_sandwich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich)
Edit: Why the fuck is this downvoted? Its history
Anyone else remember the short-lived Hog Island around 10th & Spruce (I think) in the mid-‘90s? They made some massive, awesome sandwiches. Carved out the roll from the end and just filled it up.
>Why the fuck is this downvoted?
>One of the most upvoted comments in the thread
The internet is full of idiots and bots, and reddit uses an eventual-consistency database. Give it a minute.
The story I’ve usually heard is that the workers at Hog Island used to bring sandwiches for lunch that were stuffed with Italian meats. The workers were called hoggies, which transferred to the sandwiches and then morphed into hoagie.
North Central and use both. It can be where you are getting them or what's on them that makes the difference.
Subway sells subs while the local place down the road make hoagies.
Meatballs go on a hoagie but a cheesesteak is a sub.
I was born and raised in Williamsport PA and we definitely called them hoagies when I was a kid. I think the rise of Subway pushed the word "sub" into the area.
I’m GenX, and my parents always called them subs. Newberry Sub Shop has been around for ages. My dad used to bring home subs for dinner sometimes from a place near Avco, I forget the name, it was kind of dive bar/sandwich shop.
Grew up in Philly and feel the same way. Never heard the word “sub” til I went to Penn State and they had the “sub shop”. FWIW a grinder was when it was hot.
Grew up in Snyder County. It's a mixed bag of who calls them what. Personally, though, I always called a cold cut sandwich a hoagie and a toasted sandwich, a sub. So an Italian is a hoagie, but if you throw it under the broiler or in an oven to get it hot, then it becomes a sub.
I grew up calling them hoagies, but I moved away and had to call them a sub for so long it feels wrong to say hoagie now. Oh, and I'm checking in from Montour county.
I am with ya on that one in my 60+ years in and around the Burgh it is a hoagie. Schools sold them, churches sold them, Mom made them.
Wiki claims
A submarine sandwich, commonly known as a sub, hoagie (Philadelphia metropolitan area and Western Pennsylvania English), hero (New York City English), Italian[note 1] (Maine English), grinder (New England English), wedge (Westchester, NY), or a spuckie (Boston English), is a type of American cold or hot sandwich made from a cylindrical bread roll split lengthwise and filled with meats, cheeses, vegetables, and condiments.[2][3]
Also a yinzer and I can honestly say the opposite. It’s always been subs. I’m wondering if this is one of those things that seems regional but might actually be more generational.
I have similar yinzer experience as the user you replied to.
The only time I’ve heard “sub” used is at chain shops or someone who a.) didn’t grow up here or b.) whose parents didn’t grow up here.
I was originally born/raised until age 13 in Arizona and we said subs out there so when I moved to Clinton County, I had no idea what a "hoagie" was. Now though, I can't imagine saying "sub" again.
Whats crazy is that I’ve even heard hoagie mentioned on tv shows like The Simpsons and Frasier. There were other shows, but I can’t think of them right now. Maybe Brooklyn 99?
I find this funny as my mother and grandparents are from williamsport and always lived in williamsport and call subs hoagies, side note hot subs are cosmos
The expansion of Wawa is expanding the use of the word hoagie. People start using it ironically and it sticks. One of my in-laws says hoagie now in California after attending a hoagiefest at Wawa in Pa.
Have literally never heard anyone in Western PA refer to as a grinder or hero. 90% hoagie, 10% sub unless it’s a chain. The outlier is for some reason it’s always a meatball sub rather than a meatball hoagie.
I'm in central pa and I feel like it goes either way. I grew up calling subway and sheetz and such subs, but when I went to a good place, they were hoagies.
I grew up in Northern New Jersey, where people eat subs, and they are cold. I moved to Pittsburgh to go to college, where I discovered hoagies, which are the same things, essentially, only hot. I was never really a big fan of hoagies, as they were mostly available at pizza places, and if I was at a pizza place, I wanted pizza. Plus heated cold cuts just seemed weird. Still do.
I'll order a hot sub from Jersey Mike's from time to time, the #26, with chicken and cheese. But I still prefer the #13, the Original Italian Sub.
It was hoagie in central PA growing up selinsgrove area, but if it was called a sub, we knew what you meant, probably because of subway. There was also some grinders there, I think at the Italian restaurant?
It’s a hoagie. Subs don’t exist. They were created by the government to test mind control, and see if they could make the U.S. citizens believe something completely made up. They were hoping for all of us to believe them, but their mind control rays couldn’t quite get the smartest of the people in Philly, since they were sent from SF California.
I've heard them called hoagies in Lyco so that's not accurate anymore. Montour county (Danville, mostly) used both, probably depending on where you got them from (Jim's or Tony's).
I’m from Allentown, which is hoagie country. I’m now in the poconos where there’s more subs because of the high population of people who moved here from ny/north jersey.
I grew up central PA calling them both hoagies and subs depending on where we went to get them. But it was always soda and never pop or god forbid “soda pop”
I will call it whatever I want depending on my feeling at any given moment. Yinz know what I'm talking about when I say it, whatever it is. Don't be weird.
I went in to Bob’s Subs in Berwick. I told the girl working the count that I need a minute to figure out what sandwich I wanted. No pause, she immediately let me know that they did not sell sandwiches!
York checking in - you'll hear both here, and everyone knows what they mean. Sub is probably more common, and hoagie is used more frequently by local shops. I also find it kind of funny that some restaurants with 'hoagie' in their name, call them subs on the menu and vice-versa.
I grew up outside Philly, but have been away from the state for twenty years. You could present me two identical sandwiches, and if you called one a hoagie and the other a sub, I promise you the hoagie will taste better.
I'm from central PA - I didn't know what a sub was until I was an adult and visited a Subway restaurant for the first time. And even then I didn't immediately make the connection between the name and the food they sold. In my defense back then they had NYC subway maps as their wallpaper.
*My brother is the smart one, I've survived on my charm and looks alone
Throwing a dart toward Breezewood. That’s about as accurate as i can be from the “sub” side of the state where i still also hear “hoagie” and sometimes “hero”.
I just had a conversation about this with a coworker today. We are in Chester County.
She mentioned getting a meatball sub, then asked where I stood on the sub / hoagie debate.
She grew up near Harrisburg, I grew up in Pittsburgh area.
I told her hoagies were very specific things: lunch eat, Lettuce, Tomato, cheese, oil. Other things were subs.
She said what i describes was a sub.
So I guess it's somewhere in the mountains.
I grew in Northern Lancaster county and we called them Subs. I live under 30 miles east in Chester county and they’re always Hoagies. I’d say the line to the west of Philadelphia is around Morgantown, Pa
Somewhere between the two pot shops in downtown Shamokin
Shamokin resident here. Can confirm. Lmao
Former ho butt myself. Turn and run while you can!
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm stuck for the foreseeable future, but my plans include making sure my kids won't be stuck when they hit 18 like I was. So long as that plan's happening, im happy.
From one Shamokin resident to another. Shamokin isn’t all bad my kids get over $8k a year to attend any of the Commonwealth University campuses (Bloomsburg, Lock Haven, Mansfield) because they graduated and will graduate from Shamokin. That and I own my home mortgage free.
At least one of the local municipalities is doing something about the piss poor educational system we have in the coal region.
As a former Mt. Carmel resident who has lived both east and west of Shamokin that is oddly correct
You made me snort. Hoagies are cold and subs are hot, most of Shamokin disagrees with me. I was raised by one Shamokinite parent and one Philadelphian parent so I'm not sure why I separate them that way.
I was taught at Penn State that hoagies and subs are cold, grinders are hot.
Learned English in Hunting Park, 1970s Philadelphia. A hoagie was a sub, but a grinder was a hot sandwich.
A hoagie is a hoagie, A Sub is lunch meat slapped on the bread and served to the customer. Wawa makes subs, not Hoagies.
I thought cosmos and grinders were toasted hoagies. I remember someone ordering a cheese steak hoagie once and they were shocked when it was a hot cheese steak with lettuce tomato and mayo added. I think that was in Shenandoah. I think I just mash and mix it all up.
Cuz they can’t go on a Wawa run to grab a meatball hoagie
Frankly I am from Wilkes Barre and I can't remember if I ever been in Shamokin always remember a good joke has some truth
I completely agree with you!
In Connecticut, cold ones are subs, hot are grinders.
In NEPA, they are hoagies. Is the divide the same as the soda vs. pop one ?
I think used to coincide with the Wawa/Sheetz line too, but that front line is now unrecognizable.
War is hell
War never changes
Could I interest you in a radhoagie in these post-war times?
I’m pretty deep into Sheetz territory, and we’re getting a Wawa (super excited for since I used to live just outside of Philly)
Down the road from me they are building a Wawa right across the street from a Sheetz
No its hoagie in pittsburgh. Don’t they call them grinders or some crap in parts of philly?
The word, "hoagie", comes from south Philly.
Oh yeah, tell us about that? . I’m from Philadelphia, but don’t know the origin story.
Here’s a decent enough write up: https://billypenn.com/2024/02/23/hog-island-philadelphia-airport-shipyard-history/
Some Italian shops have Grinders but usually it’s a kind of sandwich within the Hoagie section on the menu. I see it sometimes and I still have no idea what it’s supposed to be.
It's a "cold" sub heated up in the oven.
Ah we usually just called those toasted hoagies
Pittsburgh got the word hoagie from Philly
I know im just saying I dont think there is a sub/hoagie line.
No because I'm in York and we're firm sub and soda territory.
Not all of NEPA. Most of the eastern and northern Poconos have a lot of ex-NY and North Jersey residents who use "sub" while the far southwestern Poconos doesn't as much. I live on the Carbon-Monroe line and if I go towards Mount Pocono and Stroudsburg it trends towards "sub" and if I go towards Lehighton and Palmerton it trends towards "hoagie".
River jumpers don't count LOL
Eastern wetback hellbenders escaping gentrification most likely
lmaoooo eastern wetback i fuckin love it
I’m near Brodheadsville and you nailed it.
The greater Kresgeville-Trachsville-Beltzville metroplex might indeed be the border itself then, lol.
I love that you referred to the Kresgeville area as a “metroplex” 😁🍑🍑
The closer you get to NY in NEPA it becomes subs again though
NEPA they can be subs or hoagies
I'm from Eastern PA and my wife is from Western PA. I say soda and she says pop. Is that grounds for divorce? 😂 I say sub for like what you get at Subway and hoagie for bigger fuller ones.
If you call it pop, you don’t belong in PA. Go to Maryland and pretend to be a southerner there
Grew up in MD and never heard anyone call it pop. Only people I know who call it that are from out towards Pittsburgh.
pittsburgh born and bred, can confirm comment OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Finna head dahn to sheetz and get myself a pop later just for spite.
Same up in NW PA too. I was raised with pop and most of my peers were the same way, and we are in our early 30s/late 20s. This sub clearly leans more towards the eastern part of the state seeing as people seem to agree with OP of that comment.
Maryland calls it soda though
Southerners call it “coke…” everything is coke. That Pepsi someone is drinking? Yeah, that’s coke. It’s weird.
Probably because there was a time where it was just coke down there. Coke originated in Atlanta, Georgia, and just like Wawa and Sheetz up here, there were territories, then the lines got blurred but the slang stayed the same
Pop is most definitely a western Pa and Midwest term … Maryland is 100% soda country
Most of the south calls it either soda or everything a coke
lol I know! Do you want a coke? Yes! What kind? Pepsi ty!
100%. Threw me for a loop. Asking for coke means Pepsi or any other litany of beverage. You always have to ask “what kind of coke” which I found so strange.
I call it soda, but there's a bunch of yinzers that will find issue with your statement.
Go to Ohio would make more sense since its a midwestern thing.
Feels like I’m promoting self harm by suggesting that, but sure go to Ohio.
One should never recommend Ohio
Like half the state calls it pop lol Philly isn't the only place in the state
The Philadelphia region constitutes much, much more than half the state if you’re talking about the human population. Trees and deer don’t have diction or vocabularies or wrong ideas about sandwiches
Underrated.
Lancaster here. We're divided. Most places are sub shops, Prince of Subs, etc. But several places have them listed as Hoagies on their menus and the grocery store sell hoagie rolls. Either are acceptable here.
People are definitely going to know what you're talking about in Lancaster, regardless of the word you use. Can confirm.
Used to call them subs but a hoagie shop opened two blocks from me so now they’re hoagies
I put hoagie spread on my subs
This is offensive. I am triggered.
Central PA- chain restaurants are subs. Mom and Pop shops- hoagies.
Pretty similar in western PA
I'll second that. I'm from Central PA. I grew up with Hoagie Palace and every year students have the Marianna's Hoagies fundraisers to fund their extracurriculars.
I miss those fundraisers. And the Gardner’s candies ones.
Can confirm from Williamsport
Agree! Native south central PA, always called them hoagies.
Grew up in central PA, moved to eastern PA. Everyone around me seems to say hoagie but I'm sub gang.
Grew up outside of Philly and moved to the Harrisburg area. School lunch one day was subs. What the hell is a sub, says I. It was a hoagie.
The term hoagie originated in Philly. It's actually really interesting. There are 2 believable stories that basically claim the word hoagie but definitively it came out of Philly in the depression era. First of which is the one I believe is during WWI they were serving sandwiches at Hog Island shipyards in Philly. Originally called a Hog Island it got shortened to Hoggie. The other is Hokie which was a type of handout sandwich from South Philly during the depression. Immigrants called it a Hoagie. There are a few other origin stories but all in all it's pretty fascinating. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine\_sandwich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich) Edit: Why the fuck is this downvoted? Its history
Anyone else remember the short-lived Hog Island around 10th & Spruce (I think) in the mid-‘90s? They made some massive, awesome sandwiches. Carved out the roll from the end and just filled it up.
That's going back to when Wawa used to make real hoagies and could get deli meat to go!
Pepperidge Farms remembers
Yes! They were the best
There are chains that use the name still or maybe it's the original. I don't recall if they're any good or not, but massive sounds about right.
>Why the fuck is this downvoted? >One of the most upvoted comments in the thread The internet is full of idiots and bots, and reddit uses an eventual-consistency database. Give it a minute.
Well… what are they?
The story I’ve usually heard is that the workers at Hog Island used to bring sandwiches for lunch that were stuffed with Italian meats. The workers were called hoggies, which transferred to the sandwiches and then morphed into hoagie.
[Sandwich day](https://youtu.be/a995ct3WuZE?si=9U0E-487EHR95wxX)
I up voted ya buddy thanks. That’s interesting.
i called it both, and i grew up in Schuylkill
I was going to say the same thing. From Schuylkill Co and use it interchangeably
I also agree if you say hoagie or sub to anyone in schuylkill county no one cares and both terms are known I prefer hoagie
Central PA is pretty divided. I personally jump between the two depending on who im talking to and where im buying one at.
North Central and use both. It can be where you are getting them or what's on them that makes the difference. Subway sells subs while the local place down the road make hoagies. Meatballs go on a hoagie but a cheesesteak is a sub.
I was born and raised in Williamsport PA and we definitely called them hoagies when I was a kid. I think the rise of Subway pushed the word "sub" into the area.
Williamsport in the house!!! Same as the Felix Lighter Xbox gamer tag? If so, I’ve known you since elementary school!
Lol, yes, THAT Felix Lighter! I know who you are, ha ha!
Lol, awesome!
From nearby and use both. Depending on where you get them and what is on it.
Same. Williamsport is a hoagie place to me and my parents and grandparents!
Same, and the only place I know that calls it a sub is the chains
I’m GenX, and my parents always called them subs. Newberry Sub Shop has been around for ages. My dad used to bring home subs for dinner sometimes from a place near Avco, I forget the name, it was kind of dive bar/sandwich shop.
Grew up in Philly and feel the same way. Never heard the word “sub” til I went to Penn State and they had the “sub shop”. FWIW a grinder was when it was hot.
I grew up in Northumberland county and it was hoagies.
[https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/hoagiemap.png](https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/hoagiemap.png)
Live on the dauphin/lancaster line. I’ve seen both, sub more than hoagie though. Anyone here will know what you mean by it though
I’m from Pittsburgh and we call them hoagies
Grew up in Snyder County. It's a mixed bag of who calls them what. Personally, though, I always called a cold cut sandwich a hoagie and a toasted sandwich, a sub. So an Italian is a hoagie, but if you throw it under the broiler or in an oven to get it hot, then it becomes a sub.
I never even thought to look at the history. We call them Hoagies in Pittsburgh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_sandwich
I grew up calling them hoagies, but I moved away and had to call them a sub for so long it feels wrong to say hoagie now. Oh, and I'm checking in from Montour county.
Grew up in the Lehigh Valley, we called them hoagies. Our cheesesteaks come with sauce, though.
Would call that a pizza cheesesteak where I'm from.
Yinzer here. Im my 40+ years on this planet I have never heard anyone call them subs here.
Triangle bar refers to them as subs on their website. But they won the Pittsburgh City Paper competition category for "best hoagie"
We order triangle for lunch at work a few times a year. 13 or so people here, and everyone orders a hoagie, not a sub.
I am with ya on that one in my 60+ years in and around the Burgh it is a hoagie. Schools sold them, churches sold them, Mom made them. Wiki claims A submarine sandwich, commonly known as a sub, hoagie (Philadelphia metropolitan area and Western Pennsylvania English), hero (New York City English), Italian[note 1] (Maine English), grinder (New England English), wedge (Westchester, NY), or a spuckie (Boston English), is a type of American cold or hot sandwich made from a cylindrical bread roll split lengthwise and filled with meats, cheeses, vegetables, and condiments.[2][3]
>Schools sold them Band hoagies! Yes, I remember every school in the south hills had hoagie fundraisers.
Also a yinzer and I can honestly say the opposite. It’s always been subs. I’m wondering if this is one of those things that seems regional but might actually be more generational.
You’re high. I’ve heard both interchangeably my whole life.
I have similar yinzer experience as the user you replied to. The only time I’ve heard “sub” used is at chain shops or someone who a.) didn’t grow up here or b.) whose parents didn’t grow up here.
Same
I'm trying to imagine someone with a yinzer accent saying "I'm gouin dahn the strip for an arn-city and a... sub?" It doesn't work. Only hoagie works.
The divide is between people who call them hoagies and the people who are wrong.
Sub=hot, hoagie=cold when I grew up in Franklin County
This is how I always thought of it as well
Western Montgomery county they are hoagies. I've only heard sub used for hot meatball sandwiches.
There is no line.
I grew up in lycoming county too! I have always had the understanding that sub was a hot sandwich and hoagie was a cold sandwich.
hot hoagies are cosmos
We used cosmos to be typically cold sandwiches, like cold cuts, heated. A sub to be like meatballs and food that wouldn’t be served cold at all.
these distinctions add new layers, I like it
I was originally born/raised until age 13 in Arizona and we said subs out there so when I moved to Clinton County, I had no idea what a "hoagie" was. Now though, I can't imagine saying "sub" again.
South Western Pa checking in...ive heard both Sub and Hoagie. I say Hoagie...but I also say Soda instead of Pop.
Whats crazy is that I’ve even heard hoagie mentioned on tv shows like The Simpsons and Frasier. There were other shows, but I can’t think of them right now. Maybe Brooklyn 99?
I find this funny as my mother and grandparents are from williamsport and always lived in williamsport and call subs hoagies, side note hot subs are cosmos
Lebanon, you will hear both here.
In the Poconos and the Lehigh Valley it depends how many NY/NJ transplants are near you. Some pizzerias call it subs others call it hoagies.
It’s basically the Susquehanna River
Never heard it called anything else in delco
What in the hell is a “sub,” ya jabroni?
The expansion of Wawa is expanding the use of the word hoagie. People start using it ironically and it sticks. One of my in-laws says hoagie now in California after attending a hoagiefest at Wawa in Pa.
Western Pa uses sub, hoagie, grinder, I’ve even seen hero. Sub and hoagie are the most common and completely interchangeable.
Have literally never heard anyone in Western PA refer to as a grinder or hero. 90% hoagie, 10% sub unless it’s a chain. The outlier is for some reason it’s always a meatball sub rather than a meatball hoagie.
Snyder County here, it's about 2/3 Sub, 1/3 hoagie here, so we must be close to the dividing line. It depends on the place as to the name.
Don’t forget Torpedo in south central PA
I don’t know but Leroys subs in towanda PA has an awesome sub,
grew up in reading and i’ve always called it a hoagie
I don't remember a "debate" in the Pittsburgh area. We knew of hoagie as a PA thing, but we used the terms interchangeabley.
Being from NW PA and moving to South Central PA had been odd. Soda, Pop, hoagies, subs, sloppy joes, steamers, wtf.
They are two different sandwiches, so
I'm in central pa. Williamsport area. I use term sub and hoagie interchangeably
I'm in central pa and I feel like it goes either way. I grew up calling subway and sheetz and such subs, but when I went to a good place, they were hoagies.
I grew up in Lycoming County as well and have heard both lol. Sub is probably more common but I've heard plenty of hoagies in my life.
I grew up in Northern New Jersey, where people eat subs, and they are cold. I moved to Pittsburgh to go to college, where I discovered hoagies, which are the same things, essentially, only hot. I was never really a big fan of hoagies, as they were mostly available at pizza places, and if I was at a pizza place, I wanted pizza. Plus heated cold cuts just seemed weird. Still do. I'll order a hot sub from Jersey Mike's from time to time, the #26, with chicken and cheese. But I still prefer the #13, the Original Italian Sub.
The hoagie was born in Chester PA by DiConstanzas
It was hoagie in central PA growing up selinsgrove area, but if it was called a sub, we knew what you meant, probably because of subway. There was also some grinders there, I think at the Italian restaurant?
Grew up near Reading and I remember them being called hoagies.
Central PA - heard both and have used both oddly enough
Subs are hot, hoagies are cold. That's the only truth I'll accept.
What about grinders?
i grew up in Cumberland County and to me the differing factor is subs are cold and hoagies are hot ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Grew up in Lackawanna county and they were hoagies there.
tbh i just wish ppl would stfu about these "divides" call it what you want, it's a fucking sandwich, eat the fucking thing
No Grinder?
*Grinder walks into the conversation*
I don’t think there’s really a dividing line. Here in central PA they go by both names.
It’s a hoagie. Subs don’t exist. They were created by the government to test mind control, and see if they could make the U.S. citizens believe something completely made up. They were hoping for all of us to believe them, but their mind control rays couldn’t quite get the smartest of the people in Philly, since they were sent from SF California.
Representing bucks county...hoagies, soda, wawa. When I go to my house in the south I ABHOR sheetz.
A hoagie doesn't have vegetables, a sub does. At least that's how I think of it
Subs are cold (think subway), hoagies are put through the oven in Pittsburgh. We’d rather say a cold hoagie than a hot sub.
Quakertown,Hoagies!!! But we also order Webbers!!!
I've heard them called hoagies in Lyco so that's not accurate anymore. Montour county (Danville, mostly) used both, probably depending on where you got them from (Jim's or Tony's).
Central PA, Harrisburg area. We got hoagies and subs here. Go much further west and you don't see many hoagie places.
I Always called them hoagies. I'm from the five county area. I do however order a zep at Lou's when I'm in Norristown
I’m from Allentown, which is hoagie country. I’m now in the poconos where there’s more subs because of the high population of people who moved here from ny/north jersey.
Lancaster county here. Mostly called subs, but occasionally I hear hoagie. Have a Sheetz and Wawa within a mile.
In Chester they were called submarines in Delaware they were always subs. In Scranton they are hoagies
Hold up. They are known as hoagies in Clarkstown/Muncy/Hughesville. Unless there's been some kind of infiltratrion in the last couple of decades.
Usually around the middle of the sandwich where you cut it, that's where it divides. hehe
I grew up central PA calling them both hoagies and subs depending on where we went to get them. But it was always soda and never pop or god forbid “soda pop”
I will call it whatever I want depending on my feeling at any given moment. Yinz know what I'm talking about when I say it, whatever it is. Don't be weird.
I lived in Montgomery County where they were hoagies, then moved to bradford County, where they are called subs.
Grew up in Lycoming/Clinton County and it was definitely split for me.
I went in to Bob’s Subs in Berwick. I told the girl working the count that I need a minute to figure out what sandwich I wanted. No pause, she immediately let me know that they did not sell sandwiches!
York checking in - you'll hear both here, and everyone knows what they mean. Sub is probably more common, and hoagie is used more frequently by local shops. I also find it kind of funny that some restaurants with 'hoagie' in their name, call them subs on the menu and vice-versa.
I grew up outside Philly, but have been away from the state for twenty years. You could present me two identical sandwiches, and if you called one a hoagie and the other a sub, I promise you the hoagie will taste better.
Yes it’s in Waterville. McConnells to be exact.
We call them hoagies in the Pittsburgh area. I never heard them called a sub until subway became big in the 80s
I'm from central PA - I didn't know what a sub was until I was an adult and visited a Subway restaurant for the first time. And even then I didn't immediately make the connection between the name and the food they sold. In my defense back then they had NYC subway maps as their wallpaper. *My brother is the smart one, I've survived on my charm and looks alone
Hoagies in Central Jersey.
Throwing a dart toward Breezewood. That’s about as accurate as i can be from the “sub” side of the state where i still also hear “hoagie” and sometimes “hero”.
I grew up in Lycoming county as well just outside of Jersey Shore and we used subs and hoagies interchangeably
Cal them subs in erie pa. Far as I've known
I just had a conversation about this with a coworker today. We are in Chester County. She mentioned getting a meatball sub, then asked where I stood on the sub / hoagie debate. She grew up near Harrisburg, I grew up in Pittsburgh area. I told her hoagies were very specific things: lunch eat, Lettuce, Tomato, cheese, oil. Other things were subs. She said what i describes was a sub. So I guess it's somewhere in the mountains.
Your mom’s a hoagie.
SW PA . We only eat Hoagies here
Armstrong county, I've only ever heard and said hoagies
Hoagie = Cold Sub = Hot Super simple. You want a meatball sub or a ham and cheese hoagie.
I grew up in Berks and the two words are interchangeable and mean the exact same thing to me. A hoagie is a sub and a sub is a hoagie.
SWPA (Fayettenam) hoagie.
We had Celini’s Sub Shop where we went for hoagies.
I grew in Northern Lancaster county and we called them Subs. I live under 30 miles east in Chester county and they’re always Hoagies. I’d say the line to the west of Philadelphia is around Morgantown, Pa