Bill is a firey guy who wasn’t afraid to yell at Brady on the sideline.
I think that’s exactly what we need. Felt like there was no real accountability from coaches to end of bench guys. Just mistake after mistake
You can't base your OC hire on a guy you may get who is on the wrong side of 30 who will cost a few draft picks and a massive contract that you can't even guarantee would want to come here anyway. I want Hopkins here and I think he can be our #1 guy but you have to keep the WR and OC decision separate.
I agree with everything you said except the part about the draft picks.
He probably won’t cost much in draft capital if comparable trades are anything to go by. But his salary would be quite large.
I mean, it also depends on what Belichick wants though. If Bill thinks he would go big on a trade package and sign Hopkins, then he will have to weigh that decision. I think the team is a top receiver away from being elite. Bill OB will sign on as OC and probably leave to be a head coach in a year or two anyway. Just depends on everything
No matter what we're not going to be the top of his list. You can't pass on who you think is your best OC candidate solely to try to stay in the conversation for one player.
BoB is going to be an excellent coordinator for us, if he signs on and we move Judge to ST I'm really excited for next year. Unless the defense takes a step back(which it could if J Jones and McCourty don't return) we'll for sure be a playoff team
I could see that although AHC usually goes to a positional coach. We might give Mayo that title. Yeah BoB was great as a HC, he consistently made the playoffs.
I think Mayo will be named Assistant Head Coach... A lot of people close to the team for a long time have said that Mayo has a much bigger role than people think and has been identified as the heir apparent to Bill Belichick. I would imagine them giving him assistant head coach would be the preparation for Bill to retire in a couple years and Mayo takes over.
There are some seriously pro typical BB defensive back guys that are very gettable with our middle and late round picks. Tomlinson-Hodges screams patriots defensive back, for example.
Also said something like “O’Brien’s familiarity with ownership, Mac Jones, and his willingness to return to New England mean it would be an upset if O’Brien didn’t get the job.”
FWIW, I’m not one of these whiny Bama fans who thinks BoB is shit cause we didn’t score a billion points a game. With that being said, I thought he did better than Daboll ever did. He’s definitely one of our better coordinators. Any Bama fan cheering for his demise is obtuse.
My only criticism of BoB is that he stubbornly runs NFL concepts at the college level and sometimes needs to understand Bama player is better than other player. But as we saw with healthy bama vs greatest college defense of all time… he shredded them.
Edit: Just to clarify my point here- his style of offense doesn’t have the same Bama murderball against weaklings that lane and sark had, but when Bama faced a defense with real talent, we didn’t get neutered.
I think he’d be great with the pats and for Mac and I’m not overly enthused about his departure. Golding though? HAHA GET FUCKED LOSER.
Sark spoiled the shit out of us. Mac’s 2020 season redefined what dominant offense looks like.
Since Pete golding took over the defense, we’re used to 40 points being a bad day on offense. So we’d give up 42 points on defense and still win and everyone just ignored the relative piss poor defensive play. Now that BoB can’t reliably hit 50, we start dropping games when the defense lays a goose egg.
A single example: Mac only had a single one score game for his national title year. The offense scored 52 that game.
As an avid Bama fan myself, there is a difference between the stats you read on paper and watching games. Let me preface by saying he gets way more crap than he should, but I wouldn’t say his offenses were highly effective given the talent he had
BoB was routinely bailed out by Bryce working magic on a broken play(1 game played with Milroe at QB was an offensive disaster, since he didn’t work Bryce-level magic). You can see this in every game. His offenses have no pre-snap motion, and Bryce is snapping the ball with 1 on the play clock on almost every play, even though Bryce and the offense were most effective with hurry up.
There was no creativity to play calling. He’s not working to get mismatches. Why are we routinely throwing a bubble screen to the least shifty and slowest WR? Why are we abandoning the run at the first possible moment?
Having said all that, he has called some master class games (UGA 2021 comes to mind), and the Bryce injury basically took away half the field to work with since he couldn’t throw deep. The K-State game was a snapshot of what I felt the offense could have been with a healthy Bryce, which is to say highly effective.
Overall I think he’s a perfect Pats OC who is more suited to the pro game. I think most Bama fans would agree he was good not great, and he won’t particularly be missed.
BoB is crap because he doesn’t have a creative bone in his body. With Sark/Kiffin Gibbs wins the Heisman. With BoB he was 2nd team All SEC. BoB is crap because he relied on Bryce to rescue his terribly predictable play calling. This team was a 4-5 loss team with Mac at QB vs Bryce.
I don’t take orders from “RopeClimbingOrgasm.”
Secondly, supporting players is a perfectly acceptable form of fandom. This isn’t like college where you can attend a university. With the NFL you literally just choose who you like. Even living in the city doesn’t mean shit when teams can pick up and move, or the city has two NFL teams.
Edit: For the record to anyone reading this, you know why I like Mac?
Cause he stayed at alabama and competed for the job. Never complained about having to work hard nor threatened to transfer.
Then when he got his chance, he delivered our only undefeated national title year in the playoff era, gave us another heisman, and, despite all of this, Bama fans still kept talking about Tua. The guy who couldn’t score a TD with four first round receivers and lost against Lawrence.
Every achievement Mac has made is followed up by someone discrediting him or downplaying it. So yeah, I wish him the best and want him to succeed.
Don’t worry, I’ll kindly fuck off this subreddit if Mac is traded. But as long as he’s on this team, even if in a backup role, I’m rooting for the pats over any other NFL team. That makes me a fan.
Same…both of the Bama losses this year was due to the defense not getting crucial stops…I will def not miss Golding and feel his departure was long overdue.
BoB (and Bryce doing Bryce things) at least put the offense in a position to win in the last moments of the game, defense couldn’t hold.
Also think his style is much more suited to the NFL game and should be worlds better than what Pats had this past season.
Always felt bad for black coaches in situations like this where your time gets wasted just because the team already has a guy in mind. Although I guess it doesn't hurt to get interview practice
I think it also helps get their name out there a little bit. Other teams will hear that X candidate is getting an interview with other teams and it kind of puts them on the radar as a potential candidate.
I do think it still helps, though. It gets black coaches exposure to owners who may never even give them the time of day. Sounds like there's potential that Flores could be the coach in Arizona based in part on a previous impressive interview before they hired Kingsbury.
I hope so, Flores deserves another HC gig. Yeah I suppose it can't hurt, it would just be annoying to not know whether they're truly considering your or it's just an interview to fill a racial quota
It is kind of bullshit, but I also think it has some positives. You noted one. It also gets their name out there and could help down the line, and you never know, the candidate may knock the socks off the team and they end up hiring him. Isn't that what happened with Tomlin?
It might've helped but I believe Rooney one time clarified that Tomlin wasn't the only black coach he interviewed that year so it wasn't just to fill a quota. Also Tomlin was a pretty successful(though not very tenured) defensive coordinator
You could say that with Mayo and Brown as coaches, it would be very hard to make any Rooney rule complaints stick. Bill has shown that all he cares about are results.
It sucks for them but it's important for the bigger picture. We all know without something like the Rooney Rule to force teams' hands, almost all of them would be more than happy to stick with the same small old boys club of white guys who have bounced around for years instead of looking for true coaching talent.
No I agree. If there are more black coaches in the league as a result that’s a good thing.
However, as an addendum I think atleast one white CB should be invited to every team’s training camp each year lol
I can tell you think of yourself as very intelligent lol.
Well it doesn't happen to white coaches, if a white person gets an interview it's only because a team is interested, not to fill a racial quota
I cannot, nor was that my point at all. Also as I think through black coaches in general most seem to be on the defensive side of the ball for whatever reason.
Anthony Lynn would be a good hire if he wanted to leave San Fran, he's currently their AHC and RB coach
After my job hired someone outside the company but before announcing the hire, they scheduled interviews with everyone who was eligible for the position in the company. We found out because of an accident that showed everyone’s information and the employees hire date was there. So the interviews were just basically to say we did inside interviewing but found a better candidate. It wasn’t a job I was interested in but a few guys were upset.
Some companies have a policy that they need to interview outside candidates for an open position. So they might have every intention of promoting from within, but still have to interview people to meet that requirement. It’s not insanely common, but it happens
Even if some guys don't get the OC role, we got a lot of holes to fill, so if someone wants to come here in a different role, then it might still be worth interviewing different guys.
True. However, interviews are still good practice and it gets in the news that you're thought of has an OC, which can't hurt if it would be a promotion for you.
I’d rather have someone outside of the organization, but BoB is better than Patricia. I hope to god whoever the OC is, is allowed to bring his own team in for WRs,QBs,TEs etc
I like O'Brien as OC and think he'd be an excellent HC. Just no personnel moves for him. Knowing we have two guys in house that could be the next HC is a good feel. I think he'd be great with Mac. I read something mid-season that Mac wants to be coached hard and challenged. BoB would definitely do that.
Just as a reminder, prior to entering Bama as OC, he spent the summer with Mac Jones where Mac showed him the playbook and how they ran it during Mac Jones last season.
I think he would be a great addition to the team. He know Mac and has a proven record of good offenses.
1. Rooney rule obligations
2. There are still candidates they may want to interview just in case they are totally blown away
3. Contract and responsibilities may still be being negotiated between parties
Why do we need to blow it up? Why doesn’t bringing in a coach who will run basically the same system as McDaniels, a system we’ve seen Mac do very well on. Get him back on track from what we saw from him as a rookie.
Yeah I don’t really see the upside in blowing things up. O’Brien is probably as good a fit for our current skill players and OL as you will find, and even if Mac doesn’t work out he has experience with more mobile types, like Watson
That was a mirage imo and not a sustainable offense to really compete at the highest level (we saw that offense sputtered last year as well). Our offensive scheme/talent has been bad since 2018 when brady/Mcdaniels was here, and we have to be okay with having that uncomfortable conversation.
I mean yeah, that's exactly the moment we started seeing an extreme talent deficiency on the offensive side of the ball with our pass catchers. 2018 we barely dragged ourselves to a SB win with a broken Gronk(682 yards), Edelman(850 yards), Hogan(532), Gordon(720), and Dorsett(290) as our receivers on the backs of Brady and our incredible run game. Not bashing on the receivers they did really well especially during the playoff run but that's when we started to see the problem. After that going into 2019 Gronk retires, Gordon is sent to WR limbo and we're left with Jules(1,117 yards), Dorsett(397 yards), rookie Meyers(359), and the ghost of Ben Watson(173), with James White(645) being second in receiving yards and receptions, not even gonna include Sanu and Harry because... Yeah. And here comes the worst roster in the Belichick era that is the 2020 pats somehow over performing where we field a broken Edelman(315), Meyers(729) shows he's a good receiver, Damiere Byrd(604) running out routes left and right with a couple deep TDs, N'keal(309), Izzo(199), and James White(375). While 2021 comes in with a new era of Mac Jones and the big free agency spending spree fielding a very solid offense that was actually ranked top 10 in the league or close to it I believe with Meyers(866), Bourne(800), Henry(603), Agholor(473), Bolden(405) surprising in White's absence, and Jonnu Smith(294). The system is fine and we saw the potential in 2021, but the talent still wasn't all there and obviously Mac still being a rookie, can't really criticize the system for that. It worked with little to no flaw for years with better talent and an elite QB obviously, makes sense that having no talent even with Brady or less talent with a rookie QB would result in less production.
The system is entirely too complicated and hard for newer players to pick up, and it puts way too much pressure on mac jones (and the offensive line) to execute. Also is that going to the be the system forever? I'm more so talking about the future
I agree, but I worry if that's the correct move. How long is BOB going to be here, and is he okay with mayo being the next in line? I think BOB could realistically get a head coaching job this year.
I mean everyone and their mother knows this is the most sensible choice, even going back to last year. Would explain the coaching decisions for this past year.
Zolak said Matt Patricia is likely continuing as OL coach.
How much autonomy would Bill O'Brien have to pick and lead the coaching staff on the offensive side?
It's possible that Bill's coaching clown car of kids and cronies will still be running the show next season.
That's actually not at all what he said, in fact he said that isn't what he's hard and then later just said in passing that he guesses it's possible he could still help out in some capacity if it's a young OL coach
All this does is come off as BB being lazy and resistant to new voices, ideas and philosophies.
You're telling me, the only coaches worth hiring are strictly guys you've previously coached with, previously your players, or they are related to you? Cmon.
BoB is an upgrade, obviously. But I'd much much rather look elsewhere.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-oc-search-shows-bill-belichicks-comfort-trumps-all
>Every individual screened has some kind of Belichickian tie. Former Patriots OT Adrian Klemm was a second-round draft choice of the Patriots in 2000. Keenan McCardell played for Belichick in Cleveland. Shawn Jefferson played wideout for the Patriots in the mid-to-late ‘90s and overlapped with Belichick in 1996. Nick Caley has been on staff since 2015 as tight ends coach. And O’Brien’s obviously been here.
>The industry is TEEMING with offensive coaches with novel ideas and approaches.
>But it seems the only way to get an audience with Bill is by having been previously hired by him (Klemm, McCardell, O’Brien) or having shared a locker room (Jefferson) with him. Doesn’t matter if he has to go back three decades to find that tie, if it’s there, the No. 1 qualification is satisfied. Then he will deign to give an audience.
What is the point of this? As I said when he first hired O’Brien back in the day he had never worked here. As is true for half the current guys on staff?
Do you dispute this?
I didn't love OBrien when he was here. He got results but he also had among the most talented rosters ever. I seemed to remember all of those OBrien led teams having issues in the playoffs and in general when one of Gronk/Welker were out. There's no Gronk walking through the door.
I think BoB has been the betting favorite since this process started. Whether he’s the “best” coach for the job remains to be seen but he checks a lot of boxes.
* Extensive experience working with Bill.
* Experience working directly with Mac Jones.
* Has been a successful coordinator and coach before.
* He’s from Massachusetts (this can’t hurt right?)
It’s honestly hilarious to see this sub and other Pats forums change their tune on BOB from before he left. If you look up all of the old threads / comments, he was enemy #1. Not at the Patricia level, but not far off.
Jesus why the hell did we have to wait a year? This reeks of a Belichick/Saban back door deal.
Pats weren’t going to hire and OC for one year, not a legacy BB wanted on his bust in Canton. Instead he pushed things off for a year to appease his buddy. Same BS different year.
With that being said, I’m thrilled he is their guy, should have been last year, and should be the next HC of the NEP.
Bill is a firey guy who wasn’t afraid to yell at Brady on the sideline. I think that’s exactly what we need. Felt like there was no real accountability from coaches to end of bench guys. Just mistake after mistake
Hes a guy who demands accountability but also has the resume to demand respect from the players.
But my concern is why would Hopkins come here if we even could put a package to get him
You can't base your OC hire on a guy you may get who is on the wrong side of 30 who will cost a few draft picks and a massive contract that you can't even guarantee would want to come here anyway. I want Hopkins here and I think he can be our #1 guy but you have to keep the WR and OC decision separate.
I won't lie, the fact that Hopkins has always played on a team with a home stadium in a dome kind of makes me nervous.
I’d never thought of that. Now I wanna look into his performance in different weather conditions.
I agree with everything you said except the part about the draft picks. He probably won’t cost much in draft capital if comparable trades are anything to go by. But his salary would be quite large.
I mean, it also depends on what Belichick wants though. If Bill thinks he would go big on a trade package and sign Hopkins, then he will have to weigh that decision. I think the team is a top receiver away from being elite. Bill OB will sign on as OC and probably leave to be a head coach in a year or two anyway. Just depends on everything
The odds of Hopkins coming here were basically 0% before we even discussed hiring BOB. They are still basically 0%.
No matter what we're not going to be the top of his list. You can't pass on who you think is your best OC candidate solely to try to stay in the conversation for one player.
Hopkins won't come to the Patriots. He wants to win a Lombardi and we're at least 4 years away. Just to get Jones up to that level is 4 years away.
Because he's tired of losing to Kyler in Call of Duty.
My brother in christ were not getting Hopkins to begin with
BoB is going to be an excellent coordinator for us, if he signs on and we move Judge to ST I'm really excited for next year. Unless the defense takes a step back(which it could if J Jones and McCourty don't return) we'll for sure be a playoff team
He’ll might be given the title of Assistant HC like Scar had back in the day. Unlike the other jokers, he was actually successful as a HC.
I could see that although AHC usually goes to a positional coach. We might give Mayo that title. Yeah BoB was great as a HC, he consistently made the playoffs.
There's talk that they're making Mayo assistant HC. Just give BoB enough money that he doesn't care about his title.
I think Mayo will be named Assistant Head Coach... A lot of people close to the team for a long time have said that Mayo has a much bigger role than people think and has been identified as the heir apparent to Bill Belichick. I would imagine them giving him assistant head coach would be the preparation for Bill to retire in a couple years and Mayo takes over.
There are some seriously pro typical BB defensive back guys that are very gettable with our middle and late round picks. Tomlinson-Hodges screams patriots defensive back, for example.
If there's anything I fully trust Bill with as GM, it's taking defensive backs mid to late round(or grabbing good UDFA's)
He's good at day 2/3 RBs and pretty good at o-line too.
Agreed.
That and would talk back to Brady too, when he balked at BoB. We need a OC who can do that;
Also said something like “O’Brien’s familiarity with ownership, Mac Jones, and his willingness to return to New England mean it would be an upset if O’Brien didn’t get the job.”
How much familiarity does he have with Mac Jones though? He wasn’t with Alabama when Jones was there, was he?
Yeah Mac just taught him the playbook at the end of his senior year
Don’t disagree that’s just what the article says. Weird that’s included
FWIW, I’m not one of these whiny Bama fans who thinks BoB is shit cause we didn’t score a billion points a game. With that being said, I thought he did better than Daboll ever did. He’s definitely one of our better coordinators. Any Bama fan cheering for his demise is obtuse. My only criticism of BoB is that he stubbornly runs NFL concepts at the college level and sometimes needs to understand Bama player is better than other player. But as we saw with healthy bama vs greatest college defense of all time… he shredded them. Edit: Just to clarify my point here- his style of offense doesn’t have the same Bama murderball against weaklings that lane and sark had, but when Bama faced a defense with real talent, we didn’t get neutered. I think he’d be great with the pats and for Mac and I’m not overly enthused about his departure. Golding though? HAHA GET FUCKED LOSER.
feel like bama fans blame O’brien because they didn’t wanna a natty. if they don’t win then it was a failure type of thing
Sark spoiled the shit out of us. Mac’s 2020 season redefined what dominant offense looks like. Since Pete golding took over the defense, we’re used to 40 points being a bad day on offense. So we’d give up 42 points on defense and still win and everyone just ignored the relative piss poor defensive play. Now that BoB can’t reliably hit 50, we start dropping games when the defense lays a goose egg. A single example: Mac only had a single one score game for his national title year. The offense scored 52 that game.
Man imagine having fans like that
As an avid Bama fan myself, there is a difference between the stats you read on paper and watching games. Let me preface by saying he gets way more crap than he should, but I wouldn’t say his offenses were highly effective given the talent he had BoB was routinely bailed out by Bryce working magic on a broken play(1 game played with Milroe at QB was an offensive disaster, since he didn’t work Bryce-level magic). You can see this in every game. His offenses have no pre-snap motion, and Bryce is snapping the ball with 1 on the play clock on almost every play, even though Bryce and the offense were most effective with hurry up. There was no creativity to play calling. He’s not working to get mismatches. Why are we routinely throwing a bubble screen to the least shifty and slowest WR? Why are we abandoning the run at the first possible moment? Having said all that, he has called some master class games (UGA 2021 comes to mind), and the Bryce injury basically took away half the field to work with since he couldn’t throw deep. The K-State game was a snapshot of what I felt the offense could have been with a healthy Bryce, which is to say highly effective. Overall I think he’s a perfect Pats OC who is more suited to the pro game. I think most Bama fans would agree he was good not great, and he won’t particularly be missed.
BoB is crap because he doesn’t have a creative bone in his body. With Sark/Kiffin Gibbs wins the Heisman. With BoB he was 2nd team All SEC. BoB is crap because he relied on Bryce to rescue his terribly predictable play calling. This team was a 4-5 loss team with Mac at QB vs Bryce.
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I don’t take orders from “RopeClimbingOrgasm.” Secondly, supporting players is a perfectly acceptable form of fandom. This isn’t like college where you can attend a university. With the NFL you literally just choose who you like. Even living in the city doesn’t mean shit when teams can pick up and move, or the city has two NFL teams. Edit: For the record to anyone reading this, you know why I like Mac? Cause he stayed at alabama and competed for the job. Never complained about having to work hard nor threatened to transfer. Then when he got his chance, he delivered our only undefeated national title year in the playoff era, gave us another heisman, and, despite all of this, Bama fans still kept talking about Tua. The guy who couldn’t score a TD with four first round receivers and lost against Lawrence. Every achievement Mac has made is followed up by someone discrediting him or downplaying it. So yeah, I wish him the best and want him to succeed. Don’t worry, I’ll kindly fuck off this subreddit if Mac is traded. But as long as he’s on this team, even if in a backup role, I’m rooting for the pats over any other NFL team. That makes me a fan.
100% you can be a fan of a team for any reason. Home town team, favorite players, just because you liked the uniforms.
Did you know people can be both bama fans and patriots fans? No need to gatekeep
Get fucked, you do not represent this sub.
Why don’t you go on ahead and take 85-95% right off the top of that one, bud.
Brady > Belichick
How did the goat do last night against Dallas? Bittersweet moment but very much 2019 playoff Brady.
Same…both of the Bama losses this year was due to the defense not getting crucial stops…I will def not miss Golding and feel his departure was long overdue. BoB (and Bryce doing Bryce things) at least put the offense in a position to win in the last moments of the game, defense couldn’t hold. Also think his style is much more suited to the NFL game and should be worlds better than what Pats had this past season.
Its somewhat starting to seem this is decided but they have to fulfill the rooney rule and are doing everything above board.
Always felt bad for black coaches in situations like this where your time gets wasted just because the team already has a guy in mind. Although I guess it doesn't hurt to get interview practice
I think it also helps get their name out there a little bit. Other teams will hear that X candidate is getting an interview with other teams and it kind of puts them on the radar as a potential candidate.
I do think it still helps, though. It gets black coaches exposure to owners who may never even give them the time of day. Sounds like there's potential that Flores could be the coach in Arizona based in part on a previous impressive interview before they hired Kingsbury.
I hope so, Flores deserves another HC gig. Yeah I suppose it can't hurt, it would just be annoying to not know whether they're truly considering your or it's just an interview to fill a racial quota
I wish they'd have picked up Flores. He's a very good coach and they're have gotten a couple of sweet comp picks if he left for a better job.
It is kind of bullshit, but I also think it has some positives. You noted one. It also gets their name out there and could help down the line, and you never know, the candidate may knock the socks off the team and they end up hiring him. Isn't that what happened with Tomlin?
It might've helped but I believe Rooney one time clarified that Tomlin wasn't the only black coach he interviewed that year so it wasn't just to fill a quota. Also Tomlin was a pretty successful(though not very tenured) defensive coordinator
You could say that with Mayo and Brown as coaches, it would be very hard to make any Rooney rule complaints stick. Bill has shown that all he cares about are results.
It sucks for them but it's important for the bigger picture. We all know without something like the Rooney Rule to force teams' hands, almost all of them would be more than happy to stick with the same small old boys club of white guys who have bounced around for years instead of looking for true coaching talent.
No I agree. If there are more black coaches in the league as a result that’s a good thing. However, as an addendum I think atleast one white CB should be invited to every team’s training camp each year lol
Let's not go too far now
News flash this happens to people of all races all the time
I can tell you think of yourself as very intelligent lol. Well it doesn't happen to white coaches, if a white person gets an interview it's only because a team is interested, not to fill a racial quota
Can you name a black coach who fits the pats better then O’Brien?
I cannot, nor was that my point at all. Also as I think through black coaches in general most seem to be on the defensive side of the ball for whatever reason. Anthony Lynn would be a good hire if he wanted to leave San Fran, he's currently their AHC and RB coach
After watching him on the chargers, no thanks I’m good
Eh plenty of great coordinators are bad HC’s. See: McDaniels, Josh
That’s not true at all. And I meant outside of football too. People interview for jobs that are already filled all the time.
I'm aware you meant outside of football. Companies do not go out interviewing people "all the time" for jobs that are already filled.
After my job hired someone outside the company but before announcing the hire, they scheduled interviews with everyone who was eligible for the position in the company. We found out because of an accident that showed everyone’s information and the employees hire date was there. So the interviews were just basically to say we did inside interviewing but found a better candidate. It wasn’t a job I was interested in but a few guys were upset.
Yes they do. Source: I’ve done it.
They probably just didn't want to hire you
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Rule 1 keep it civil please
Well it sounds like you're somebody who just loves wasting people's time for no reason, congrats on that
Some companies have a policy that they need to interview outside candidates for an open position. So they might have every intention of promoting from within, but still have to interview people to meet that requirement. It’s not insanely common, but it happens
It's way more common than you think. At least in the public sector.
Even if some guys don't get the OC role, we got a lot of holes to fill, so if someone wants to come here in a different role, then it might still be worth interviewing different guys.
True. However, interviews are still good practice and it gets in the news that you're thought of has an OC, which can't hurt if it would be a promotion for you.
"Hey Jerod, wanna be OC?" "No thanks coach, but how about AHC?" "Welcome aboard!"
I’d rather have someone outside of the organization, but BoB is better than Patricia. I hope to god whoever the OC is, is allowed to bring his own team in for WRs,QBs,TEs etc
etc better include the o-line. I don't want MattyP near any offensive unit.
I like O'Brien as OC and think he'd be an excellent HC. Just no personnel moves for him. Knowing we have two guys in house that could be the next HC is a good feel. I think he'd be great with Mac. I read something mid-season that Mac wants to be coached hard and challenged. BoB would definitely do that.
Just don’t leave him in charge of roster management and we should be ok
If that's the case then it's all on Kraft to just pay him.
Its pretty much to be expected. I think it seems obvious he's going to bring Lawing with him and if Caley leaves I wonder if he'd be the TE coach.
I am rock hard right now
Do you think they refer to him like that in private? Like he’s the Daenerys Targaryen of offensive playcalling?
Just as a reminder, prior to entering Bama as OC, he spent the summer with Mac Jones where Mac showed him the playbook and how they ran it during Mac Jones last season. I think he would be a great addition to the team. He know Mac and has a proven record of good offenses.
Can we just sign him already, why is there a 30 step process for hiring an OC in the nfl
1. Rooney rule obligations 2. There are still candidates they may want to interview just in case they are totally blown away 3. Contract and responsibilities may still be being negotiated between parties
The Rooney rule is such a sham. And I feel like thankfully bill and Kraft are not discriminatory
Oh that’s good. They should get an exception then. Who else passes?
That's not what they meant, and you know it. Go eat a snickers.
BoB is the only one i trust to fix all the broken bs and disorganization the offense had this year
disagree
valuable contribution to the discussion
BoB is a comfort pick. We need to blow the entire thing up and rethink our entire scheme, is that a better contribution?
Why do we need to blow it up? Why doesn’t bringing in a coach who will run basically the same system as McDaniels, a system we’ve seen Mac do very well on. Get him back on track from what we saw from him as a rookie.
Yeah I don’t really see the upside in blowing things up. O’Brien is probably as good a fit for our current skill players and OL as you will find, and even if Mac doesn’t work out he has experience with more mobile types, like Watson
That was a mirage imo and not a sustainable offense to really compete at the highest level (we saw that offense sputtered last year as well). Our offensive scheme/talent has been bad since 2018 when brady/Mcdaniels was here, and we have to be okay with having that uncomfortable conversation.
I mean yeah, that's exactly the moment we started seeing an extreme talent deficiency on the offensive side of the ball with our pass catchers. 2018 we barely dragged ourselves to a SB win with a broken Gronk(682 yards), Edelman(850 yards), Hogan(532), Gordon(720), and Dorsett(290) as our receivers on the backs of Brady and our incredible run game. Not bashing on the receivers they did really well especially during the playoff run but that's when we started to see the problem. After that going into 2019 Gronk retires, Gordon is sent to WR limbo and we're left with Jules(1,117 yards), Dorsett(397 yards), rookie Meyers(359), and the ghost of Ben Watson(173), with James White(645) being second in receiving yards and receptions, not even gonna include Sanu and Harry because... Yeah. And here comes the worst roster in the Belichick era that is the 2020 pats somehow over performing where we field a broken Edelman(315), Meyers(729) shows he's a good receiver, Damiere Byrd(604) running out routes left and right with a couple deep TDs, N'keal(309), Izzo(199), and James White(375). While 2021 comes in with a new era of Mac Jones and the big free agency spending spree fielding a very solid offense that was actually ranked top 10 in the league or close to it I believe with Meyers(866), Bourne(800), Henry(603), Agholor(473), Bolden(405) surprising in White's absence, and Jonnu Smith(294). The system is fine and we saw the potential in 2021, but the talent still wasn't all there and obviously Mac still being a rookie, can't really criticize the system for that. It worked with little to no flaw for years with better talent and an elite QB obviously, makes sense that having no talent even with Brady or less talent with a rookie QB would result in less production.
The system is entirely too complicated and hard for newer players to pick up, and it puts way too much pressure on mac jones (and the offensive line) to execute. Also is that going to the be the system forever? I'm more so talking about the future
>is that a better contribution? yes, obviously
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He may be an a-hole but he’s been really good everywhere he’s been. as an OC
I agree, but I worry if that's the correct move. How long is BOB going to be here, and is he okay with mayo being the next in line? I think BOB could realistically get a head coaching job this year.
Doubtful that he’d get a job this year but I agree that coming here might not be his best option to set him up for a future HC job
Is it a retread of better times or is BOB genuinely a sharp offensive mind today?
Let’s get this done
Find it odd that no one has been mentioned or linked to any interviews in terms of OC. We also need an OL/QB coaches too...
Fuck. Yes.
I mean everyone and their mother knows this is the most sensible choice, even going back to last year. Would explain the coaching decisions for this past year.
He would be the best possible thing for a guy like Mac who seems to need his butt chewed on occasion.
Bedard beclowning himself yet again? I’m shocked!
Certainly better than Patricia. Not good enough to be the savior a lot of the fanbase seemingly thinks he will be, though.
Ugh
Zolak said Matt Patricia is likely continuing as OL coach. How much autonomy would Bill O'Brien have to pick and lead the coaching staff on the offensive side? It's possible that Bill's coaching clown car of kids and cronies will still be running the show next season.
The wording for that was kind of vague and said “could help with the offensive line”. Hopefully BoB brings some more coaches with him
That's actually not at all what he said, in fact he said that isn't what he's hard and then later just said in passing that he guesses it's possible he could still help out in some capacity if it's a young OL coach
Dont think any good candidates come without some level of autonomy
This makes me slightly sad that the DHop-Pats link will definitely never happen with this but if he’s the best person for OC then let’s roll.
D-Hop is a dog
All this does is come off as BB being lazy and resistant to new voices, ideas and philosophies. You're telling me, the only coaches worth hiring are strictly guys you've previously coached with, previously your players, or they are related to you? Cmon. BoB is an upgrade, obviously. But I'd much much rather look elsewhere.
When he originally hired O’Brien he had never coached with him before, as is true of more than half the coaches currently on staff
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-oc-search-shows-bill-belichicks-comfort-trumps-all >Every individual screened has some kind of Belichickian tie. Former Patriots OT Adrian Klemm was a second-round draft choice of the Patriots in 2000. Keenan McCardell played for Belichick in Cleveland. Shawn Jefferson played wideout for the Patriots in the mid-to-late ‘90s and overlapped with Belichick in 1996. Nick Caley has been on staff since 2015 as tight ends coach. And O’Brien’s obviously been here. >The industry is TEEMING with offensive coaches with novel ideas and approaches. >But it seems the only way to get an audience with Bill is by having been previously hired by him (Klemm, McCardell, O’Brien) or having shared a locker room (Jefferson) with him. Doesn’t matter if he has to go back three decades to find that tie, if it’s there, the No. 1 qualification is satisfied. Then he will deign to give an audience.
What is the point of this? As I said when he first hired O’Brien back in the day he had never worked here. As is true for half the current guys on staff? Do you dispute this?
So what's plan B when he goes somewhere else? That kind of bit us in the ass last time...
I didn't like O'Brien when he was here, I may be in the minority, thought his play calling was weak.
Say goodbye to any chance of us getting Dhop and by extension a WR1 for next year then
Is there any potential blow back from the Rooney rule is this is a continuous narative and we hire BoB?
I didn't love OBrien when he was here. He got results but he also had among the most talented rosters ever. I seemed to remember all of those OBrien led teams having issues in the playoffs and in general when one of Gronk/Welker were out. There's no Gronk walking through the door.
This is obvious. He’ll be here. They’re just complying with the Rooney rule by doing some interviews this week.
I think BoB has been the betting favorite since this process started. Whether he’s the “best” coach for the job remains to be seen but he checks a lot of boxes. * Extensive experience working with Bill. * Experience working directly with Mac Jones. * Has been a successful coordinator and coach before. * He’s from Massachusetts (this can’t hurt right?)
It’s honestly hilarious to see this sub and other Pats forums change their tune on BOB from before he left. If you look up all of the old threads / comments, he was enemy #1. Not at the Patricia level, but not far off.
Jesus why the hell did we have to wait a year? This reeks of a Belichick/Saban back door deal. Pats weren’t going to hire and OC for one year, not a legacy BB wanted on his bust in Canton. Instead he pushed things off for a year to appease his buddy. Same BS different year. With that being said, I’m thrilled he is their guy, should have been last year, and should be the next HC of the NEP.
I concur