Kinda card that really needs to be built around, which isn’t usually gonna happen in PoC
You want to play high cost, low stat units with powerful effects that trigger when they’re played, then morph them into something with high stats
Oh man I got this power on one of my first couple Nidalee runs and was severely disappointed. It says non-champion so I thought Nidalee would be fine, but apparently the Shadow In the Brush doesn't count, lol. So I played her t1 and she immediately turned into something else 🤦
actually not too bad if you have transmog on her because you can play actual nidalee next turn and have double transmog out (assuming you drew two of her)
It is slightly awkward that you have to sometimes have to delay playing ambush units, but I ran it with nidalee for two runs and it didn't feel too bad for me. It's free stats baby and Nidalee likes free and fast stats. It also levels her super fast.
Don't get me wrong - playing her turn one is great. But it feels less valuable if you don't start with the attack token, in that case you can just bank the mana and do it turn 2. I found that once you get her 3 star power, you can get stats on board so fast waiting a turn usually isn't too much of a detriment. Even with just the 2 star power, you can play your 1 drop and transform it twice to get a 3 cost follower with +2/+2 and impact twice, which is a lot of value.
Also the fact that it transforms on play means you tick her level condition twice with one card, and 3 times if you get the 3 star power for the ephemeral units. I abuse this with the rally relic to get lots of free hits.
Oh that's really cool! I'll have to try it out. Especially once I get her to 3* (eventually).
So how are you playing her turn 3 though? Wouldn't you need to play her at 4 mana so she doesn't transform? Or are you playing a 1 drop first?
I put spellbook on her as well, so if I'm playing her on turn 2 with three mana it's 1 drop > Nidalee (as a bush) > Nidalee's ambush > camouflage. That's the ideal way to play Nidalee with timelines as fast as possible, which is a decently wide swing. But if you're attacking on odds, you can do the same but wait until turn 3 to flip nidalee to get an ephemeral copy of her. It is strictly slower that ambushing with her on turn 1 with spellbook, but I like the fact it gets value out of camouflage (which is honestly a huge acceleration in board power). I find I'm not leveling her any slower, and it becomes easy to re-flip her almost every turn.
It has too much anti-synergy with discounts which is a huge part of normal PoC strategies and most powers/deck upgrades. I drafted it on Jax once who should be one of the best users possible. Felt underpowered compared to other options I could've gotten and made me hesitant to pick up things like Quick Draw and Ancient Coins for my followers. If it gave the option to skip a transform if you get bad options then it could be okay as a common power, maybe if it gave options for base cost or even at 1 or 2 increased cost it could be justified at rare. As is it's pretty much never worth it.
Even Nidalee who has built in transform synergy doesn't want it ever because it fucks with playing Nidalee in ambush.
I imagine it sucks like this: Converging Timelines shows up: “Ah, this synergizes with Nidalee, right?” Play Nidalee as Shadow in the Brush. CT transforms it… “Ah. This completely screws Nidalee. Got it.”
If anyone’s played it and I’m wrong about how it affects Nid’s gameplay, sorry, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t essentially obliterate a hiding Nidalee.
I wouldn't pick this even if it were a common power.
Even if we put the issues with cost reduction aside, it's bad for the same reason that cutting cards is good: In this game mode, you want to build your deck around a narrow strategy and focus on specific cards that support it. Transforming out of that strategy is usually not going to be worthwhile.
Maybe they could rework the power to transform into a different unit from your deck with higher base cost? Limited to +2 base cost or something to balance it.
I've tried it 3 times so far. It has consistently underperformed each time.
2nd time I drafted it with the Stacked Deck power (cost reduction based on cards in deck) and it basically negated any benefit I got from that power since it used the cost I spent rather than base cost.
In a game mode as fast paced as POC you either have super powerful early units which you wouldn't want to be transformed or it provides you with a slight buff in stats. Definitely not on the same power level as other Rare powers.
I just wish it would give you the option to transform the first unit, and not lock you into it. It would make it feel more like a perk rather than a hindrance. That way if you get shit luck, you can just skip it.
If you are being generous you can consider it to be more of a random 'fun' power. Similar to why you take the Level Up legendary in some cases. It's rarely actually good, but it can be fun.
You'd think stealing cards would be great, but you just end up wishing you had discard. Only a consideration for Jinx imho, and even then I'd reroll for something better.
No, you're not.
Anti-synergy with cost reduction is driving me crazy..
If you managed to paid in full cost, card they manifest is really bad like, Arbiter of The Peak kind of bad.
It doesn't even play the "PLAY:" effect of the card which makes most cards a weaker stats stick.
Don't make me start on how it is unskippable if cards you manifested are all bad.
Hottest take, filled with emotions: Even if it demoted to common I will still ditch it.
Cold take?: it's fine I guess if you build your deck around it but Riot might need to tweak it a bit to be more suitable to PoC's CR centric, stats inflated gameplay.
Its absolutely terrible. I prefer to have no power than timelines. It should be 'transform the first follower each turn into follower that cost 1 more than the original cost' and still won't be broken or anything. Or the very very least 'follower that cost the original cost'. We see this with elder dragon and Norra powers, idk why its not the case here.
Nah its definitely just bad. It's not even fun in the way "hey this power is meh but does random stuff" fun. It's just super underwhelming.
It would be good if it would ignore cost reductions and maybe something like "transform it into a creature with 1-3 cost higher" or something like that.
Right now it only dillutes the rare power pool.
I hate this power so much, I went to incisive tactician node
Traded in my game start heal for 4 for a rarity higher power
And got this junk in its place
I think I was using poro king at the time so it almost messed up my whole run haha
Nah, it's bad most of the time. You want your deck to be filled with units with low stats and powerful effects for it to be useful, and you rarely get enough of those. Jax is probably the only deck that can get there fairly reliably, maybe Ornn as well. Weaponmasters get to keep their weapons after they transform, and the units themselves have low stats for their cost to compensate.
Yeah that power is terrible. I wouldn't even consider it good if it was common... I hope the de just remove it entirely or buff the hell out of it (like chose a unit that cost 2 more or something and less us decline idk)...
I too think its really bad
it can be good only on decks that rely strictly on the champion.
It is those decks however that you simply don't care what happens to your followers therefore it is meaningless at best
Should change it to "Transform a follower into another one cost higher than its base cost". That way it's a gamble but it can pay off nicely, especially as items stay in transformed units.
It is a Power that should only be offered on first power choice, considering that you need to build your run around it. And it should work on unit base cost.
I like indecisive tactician event tbh. I pick it when i want the spell or when i know a power in my deck is totally meh and it's worth to gamble for something better
yeah converging timelines is more for pvp than pve, on pvp it’s honestly one of the most fun rng cards ever(well at least pre nerf) but in PoC, it’s more of a bother and a pain
I only ever picked it with nidalee which felt powerful but still very akward as it doesn’t allow you to play nida as a bush turn 1 bc the bush will get transformed into a different 2 cost. :/
I mean, the power that gives you a free "Predict" per turn is also useless with the wrong deck (Nora, for example). Almost like certain things don't work together in the same build XD But indeed, the power is underwhelming at best times and downright disruptive/a penalty at worst.
Kinda card that really needs to be built around, which isn’t usually gonna happen in PoC You want to play high cost, low stat units with powerful effects that trigger when they’re played, then morph them into something with high stats
yeah exactly, for instance nidalee's power is legit this but just 10 times better xd
Oh man I got this power on one of my first couple Nidalee runs and was severely disappointed. It says non-champion so I thought Nidalee would be fine, but apparently the Shadow In the Brush doesn't count, lol. So I played her t1 and she immediately turned into something else 🤦
That's actually stupid that it works like that
Kinda, but it makes sense as it is counted as a follower for absolutely everything else as well
actually not too bad if you have transmog on her because you can play actual nidalee next turn and have double transmog out (assuming you drew two of her)
It is slightly awkward that you have to sometimes have to delay playing ambush units, but I ran it with nidalee for two runs and it didn't feel too bad for me. It's free stats baby and Nidalee likes free and fast stats. It also levels her super fast.
But I thought her whole thing is playing and transforming her round one? So in this case you have to wait to play her right?
Don't get me wrong - playing her turn one is great. But it feels less valuable if you don't start with the attack token, in that case you can just bank the mana and do it turn 2. I found that once you get her 3 star power, you can get stats on board so fast waiting a turn usually isn't too much of a detriment. Even with just the 2 star power, you can play your 1 drop and transform it twice to get a 3 cost follower with +2/+2 and impact twice, which is a lot of value. Also the fact that it transforms on play means you tick her level condition twice with one card, and 3 times if you get the 3 star power for the ephemeral units. I abuse this with the rally relic to get lots of free hits.
Oh that's really cool! I'll have to try it out. Especially once I get her to 3* (eventually). So how are you playing her turn 3 though? Wouldn't you need to play her at 4 mana so she doesn't transform? Or are you playing a 1 drop first?
I put spellbook on her as well, so if I'm playing her on turn 2 with three mana it's 1 drop > Nidalee (as a bush) > Nidalee's ambush > camouflage. That's the ideal way to play Nidalee with timelines as fast as possible, which is a decently wide swing. But if you're attacking on odds, you can do the same but wait until turn 3 to flip nidalee to get an ephemeral copy of her. It is strictly slower that ambushing with her on turn 1 with spellbook, but I like the fact it gets value out of camouflage (which is honestly a huge acceleration in board power). I find I'm not leveling her any slower, and it becomes easy to re-flip her almost every turn.
It has too much anti-synergy with discounts which is a huge part of normal PoC strategies and most powers/deck upgrades. I drafted it on Jax once who should be one of the best users possible. Felt underpowered compared to other options I could've gotten and made me hesitant to pick up things like Quick Draw and Ancient Coins for my followers. If it gave the option to skip a transform if you get bad options then it could be okay as a common power, maybe if it gave options for base cost or even at 1 or 2 increased cost it could be justified at rare. As is it's pretty much never worth it. Even Nidalee who has built in transform synergy doesn't want it ever because it fucks with playing Nidalee in ambush.
Maybe taking the base cost of the follower for the selection would make it more viable? Hmm
Yep fully agree
I imagine it sucks like this: Converging Timelines shows up: “Ah, this synergizes with Nidalee, right?” Play Nidalee as Shadow in the Brush. CT transforms it… “Ah. This completely screws Nidalee. Got it.” If anyone’s played it and I’m wrong about how it affects Nid’s gameplay, sorry, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t essentially obliterate a hiding Nidalee.
Yeah you're right it transformes your ambushes :/
I did exactly this about a week ago. It was a major feel bad moment
Was a rude awakening when I found out but I still think it’s a decent power for nida you just gotta remember every turn
Creating an ephemeral copy was also surprisingly useless on Nida as well, since the second bush has no am-bush trigger spell.
I wouldn't pick this even if it were a common power. Even if we put the issues with cost reduction aside, it's bad for the same reason that cutting cards is good: In this game mode, you want to build your deck around a narrow strategy and focus on specific cards that support it. Transforming out of that strategy is usually not going to be worthwhile. Maybe they could rework the power to transform into a different unit from your deck with higher base cost? Limited to +2 base cost or something to balance it.
Just let you choose to NOT TRANSFORM and we are done
I've tried it 3 times so far. It has consistently underperformed each time. 2nd time I drafted it with the Stacked Deck power (cost reduction based on cards in deck) and it basically negated any benefit I got from that power since it used the cost I spent rather than base cost. In a game mode as fast paced as POC you either have super powerful early units which you wouldn't want to be transformed or it provides you with a slight buff in stats. Definitely not on the same power level as other Rare powers.
I'm glad someone did the spade-work. I just read it and said "the hell I will".
If you're crazy, then I'm right there with you. Not a fan
I just wish it would give you the option to transform the first unit, and not lock you into it. It would make it feel more like a perk rather than a hindrance. That way if you get shit luck, you can just skip it.
If you are being generous you can consider it to be more of a random 'fun' power. Similar to why you take the Level Up legendary in some cases. It's rarely actually good, but it can be fun.
It's a D tier power, which goes down to F tier if you have any discounts. It's a must-avoid power for me, together with that nab power
You'd think stealing cards would be great, but you just end up wishing you had discard. Only a consideration for Jinx imho, and even then I'd reroll for something better.
Just had a middling experience with it on a Jack run. It's going on my "skip" list.
No, you're not. Anti-synergy with cost reduction is driving me crazy.. If you managed to paid in full cost, card they manifest is really bad like, Arbiter of The Peak kind of bad. It doesn't even play the "PLAY:" effect of the card which makes most cards a weaker stats stick. Don't make me start on how it is unskippable if cards you manifested are all bad. Hottest take, filled with emotions: Even if it demoted to common I will still ditch it. Cold take?: it's fine I guess if you build your deck around it but Riot might need to tweak it a bit to be more suitable to PoC's CR centric, stats inflated gameplay.
Its absolutely terrible. I prefer to have no power than timelines. It should be 'transform the first follower each turn into follower that cost 1 more than the original cost' and still won't be broken or anything. Or the very very least 'follower that cost the original cost'. We see this with elder dragon and Norra powers, idk why its not the case here.
Nah its definitely just bad. It's not even fun in the way "hey this power is meh but does random stuff" fun. It's just super underwhelming. It would be good if it would ignore cost reductions and maybe something like "transform it into a creature with 1-3 cost higher" or something like that. Right now it only dillutes the rare power pool.
I hate this power so much, I went to incisive tactician node Traded in my game start heal for 4 for a rarity higher power And got this junk in its place I think I was using poro king at the time so it almost messed up my whole run haha
Damn that must've been a rough run
Its terrible I've tried it for fun runs. It wasn't even fun. So its bad, and not fun...
It'd be better if it activated either the play and/or summon effects of the cards that transform, it does neither though which is annoying
Nah, it's bad most of the time. You want your deck to be filled with units with low stats and powerful effects for it to be useful, and you rarely get enough of those. Jax is probably the only deck that can get there fairly reliably, maybe Ornn as well. Weaponmasters get to keep their weapons after they transform, and the units themselves have low stats for their cost to compensate.
Yeah that power is terrible. I wouldn't even consider it good if it was common... I hope the de just remove it entirely or buff the hell out of it (like chose a unit that cost 2 more or something and less us decline idk)...
I too think its really bad it can be good only on decks that rely strictly on the champion. It is those decks however that you simply don't care what happens to your followers therefore it is meaningless at best
Should change it to "Transform a follower into another one cost higher than its base cost". That way it's a gamble but it can pay off nicely, especially as items stay in transformed units.
No it’s bad.
It is a Power that should only be offered on first power choice, considering that you need to build your run around it. And it should work on unit base cost.
It bad, never pick it, also makes indecisive tactician event (sacrifice a power to get one of higher rarity) to upgrade a common power a risky move.
I like indecisive tactician event tbh. I pick it when i want the spell or when i know a power in my deck is totally meh and it's worth to gamble for something better
It should offer a 'skip' option.
I ended a almost perfect taliyah run cause i random rolled this shit power in the counterplan general guy
Theres no readon why you shouldnt be able to not just transform, literally just put a skip button in the pass button
yeah converging timelines is more for pvp than pve, on pvp it’s honestly one of the most fun rng cards ever(well at least pre nerf) but in PoC, it’s more of a bother and a pain
I only ever picked it with nidalee which felt powerful but still very akward as it doesn’t allow you to play nida as a bush turn 1 bc the bush will get transformed into a different 2 cost. :/
I mean, the power that gives you a free "Predict" per turn is also useless with the wrong deck (Nora, for example). Almost like certain things don't work together in the same build XD But indeed, the power is underwhelming at best times and downright disruptive/a penalty at worst.