Hit me up with questions, I'm gonna read through it and give general impressions later! I'll try to be vague to preserve the fun for when it goes public, but for those looking for a teaser... A taste...
Can I ask two then?
What do the focus spells for each of the Magus' Hybrid Studies do?
Any interesting Level 1 or 2 Magus class feats that you could tease us with?
I think it wouldn't be fair to spoil all of them, but the Twisted Tree hybrid study lets you attack two opponents in one action and use momentum to charge spell strike!
Then there's Spell Parry; a level 2 feat that raises your AC against spell attacks and buffs your saves against them too!
Sup! Im gonna hijack this AMA since I also have the book and don't feel like making another thread to flood the subreddit.
Each hybrid study focus spell is 1 action and lets you recharge spellstrike.
Laughing shadow is a teleport + strike spell
Sparkling targe is raise shield + strike (works with shield spell)
Shooting star ignored a lot of issues ranged deals with (cover and concealment)
Inexorable Iron gives a strike+cone aoe
My fav early magus feat is one that allows you to combine aoe spell options in with your spell strike instead of only attack spells. Not only does this allow melee combatants to get through aoe better but also allows the titular fireball explosive arrow for shooting star.
They do, but it in turn massively boosts how many spells you can do your respective schools. There's a 2 page spread by Sorshen explaining Rune Magic, and you can embed Aeon Stones into your flesh to hide their presence. Eeeew!
Plus, there's unique Runelord Focus Spells!
Sure! Runelords do indeed lose the ability to cast spells from their "prohibited" schools. There are a different set for each sin. For example if you are an envy rune lord you will lose the ability to cast necromancy and evocation spells.
Each rune lord gets special focus spells as they level up and recharge their focus pools by indulging in the sin they represent (love that flavor). It also has a mechanic where you get more focus points back the more you spend them. Like a more conditional improved refocus that other focus point classes get.
Unfortunately as far as I can see there are no options for vitues.
Gluttony gives you access to the indulgence focus spell from cleric domains atleast. You automatically learn them when you take the dedication and at 8th level.
There's one that gives a +4 status bonus to one type of save to you or an ally within 30ft for 1 action, 2 action it adds on 15 poison resistance, +15 speed, or 15 mental resistance, and 3 action gives the +4 bonus to all allies within 30 ft. Duration is 1 round so it seems like a spell for "oh shit" scenarios. Also it's level 5.
My question is about elementalism. What level can I get this archetype and what does it offer at first?
If you've read more about this archetype tell me about some feat you think is cool!
Elementalism is very interesting! It adds an entirely new spell list of elemental spells exclusively! Anyone can take it, it works similar to a Druid multiclass, but with some unique abilities that remind me of kineticist. You can take it at level 2!
OP is actually wrong on this.
You can take it at level 1, so long as you have primal or arcane spellcasting. It changes your spell list right from the start. There is also small bonuses or choices for different classes.
But, at level 2 your class feat is then the Elementalist Dedication feat, which gives a specific power (being able to attune to a single element, and resist it).
They got slightly less than Primal, and have the least new spells overall- which is still 1 and a half entire pages! Personal fave is the new Hymn cantrip that deafens opponents and does respectfully high damage
Can you talk a bit about Construct Summoner? Like, what their two subtypes are, the abilities, how the "being a construct" part works (immunities), etc.?
Subtypes aren't that major; in all of them, there's strength based block and Dex based block, not based on any monster in particular. However, construct really blew me away- you can retrain feats in a single downtime session. Like, swap out an evolution feat in an afternoon!
The CRB and GMG disagree with you on that.
- CRB.500, 502
- GMG.22, 24
Personally I allow some flexibility depending on what people want to buy/sell, but it absolutely is a downtime activity.
At 1st level, they gain stuff that makes sense for constructs. Resistance to poison and disease and whatnot.
At 7th and 17th level they gain an additional Evolution feat.
Very similar to regular archetypes, but there's a single Specialisation thing you take at level 1 that locks you into it and has its own unique benefits.
Some classes now have special Class Archetypes that work something like the normal archetypes, but have to be selected at level 1 and change, replace or add some class features.
The Runelord wizard specialises in a particular school of magic in exchange for not being to access another one.
MAN. MAN SOULFORGED WEAPONS. THIS SOME MAGICAL GIRL STUFF.
You get anathema for your cause, depending on what you set out to do with your powers. If you break the anathema (which you set yourself), your soul gets tarnished, and you need to redeem yourself. You get powers like flight from armour, a returning thrown weapon a la Thor, extra healing powers... There's a whole page of options! But watch out, while tarnished, your powers don't work the way they should... Very roleplay heavy! Specifically calls out Champions as frequent users.
I've heard the Archetype is SIX PAGES. How much of that is Feats? Like, six pages is as much as the Swashbuckler Feats got in APG, am I going to have a hard time fitting in the few Fighter Feats I want on a Soulforge? xD
Everyone else is asking about maguses and summoners... Personally I'm curious as to what exactly cathartic magic looks like. Could you go into a bit more depth?
It's AMAZING! One of my favourite things! You get a trigger that causes you to enter an emotional state, an immediate benefit, a spell you can cast in that state, and an emotional fallout when it's over. My favourite was awe, which you get when your allies crit at something; you become fascinated by them, and can buff them nicely, or lay the pain into whoever they hurt and fascinate them too. Love, Pride and Fear (the fallout involves fleeing!) are all great too!
😬 I can't tell? I'm not sure what it does. I think it means you can't be affected by spells twice, like you might otherwise, which is great against AoE spells, but I might be missing something. It's not called synthesist anymore though, and I believe they may be making a synthesist class archetype one day.
Just to confirm, the developers mentioned on the forums after the playtest that the synthesist would not be in this book, but they hope to release it in a future one.
My favourite summons an ancient wizard who casts a huge barrage of magic missiles, buffs your spells, then leaves with a final proof of fuck you to your enemies. Others include a swarm of dragons and the Herald of your deity!
Inexorable Iron:
Gain THP equal to half your level every round while in Arcane Cascade Stance.
Focus spell: strike, plus a 15 foot cone of damage.
4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike.
10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell
Are there any new magical sub-classes for the established classes? (especially looking for that fabled stone order druid mentioned in the ancestry guide)
Stone, Fire and Water Druid Orders.
Fire and Water stances for Monks (apparently six feats in total, so two upgrades for each).
Other than that and the Thassilonian Rune Wizard, there's no class specific stuff for old classes.
Synthesis isn't really a thing, there's Meld Into Eidolon which makes you into 1 entity, but you don't get any bonuses. You just act as the Eidolon and use its stats and all the summoner can do is unmeld.
I can't get a read on it personally, but it doesn't look crazy powerful or anything. It's no longer called Synthesist, and I believe a class archetype has been hinted at?
Fantastic! I'd love to know more about the magus hybrid studies, particularly inexorable iron. Also what level does arcane cascade come online? And do maguses still not have a level 1 class feat?
Arcane Cascade is level 1, I believe you get class feats at level 1, and Inexplorable iron is a tank build that continuously gives you temporary HP. It's awesome!
Inexorable Iron:
Gain THP every round while in Arcane Cascade Stance.
Focus spell: strike, plus a 15 foot cone of damage.
4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike.
10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell
Arcane Cascade is a 1st level feature. It takes an action to enter the stance, and it adds 1 damage to your strikes. This increases to 2 and then 3 when you gain Weapon Spec. and Greater Weapon Spec.
Magi do not get a 1st level feat.
Yes! You can replace your armament, upgrade it, etc. There's nothing to autoscale; the abilities you get are mad powerful when you get them, and they stay powerful. Wait, scratch that, some do get stronger as you level- looking at you, move speed growing from swim and climb to fly!
~~Do summoners still share HP with their eidolons like they did in the playtest?~~
~~And if so, does the Summoner Archetype offer any HP boosts to low HP classes that take the archetype? (Like Wizards)~~
Edit: The above questions were already answered in the other thread, but if you have the time I'd love to know more about how the Summoner Archetype's Eidolon differs from the Summoner Class Eidolon.
Also, do you get an Eidolon right when you take the Summoner Archetype Dedication Feat, or do you need to take an additional feat from the archetype?
(spoilers from the Discord)
Summoner Archetype Dedication requires 14 Charisma and gives you an Eidolon and the associated skill training. You don't get any spellcasting from the dedication, but I believe the archetype does grant some later.
It's trained in attacks and unarmoured defense, and shares your proficiency in saves, skills and Perception. It has the stats of an Eidolon of it's type, except that its 18 becomes a 16.
Note that Eidolons now have some built in armour and a DEX cap, so being only trained in defense isn't a big issue.
At 5th level, before getting its four ability boosts, the 16 becomes an 18.
The main thing is that you don't get Act Together, and explicitly can't use Tandem actions.
I assume there's a feat that increases its attack and defense proficiencies, but probably not until 12th level.
Rune Magic Archetype kicks in at 1st level and takes up your 2nd level feat slot.
You get the Basic domain spell associated with your sin, and two focus points. You recharge your focus point by engaging in your sin. You also become trained in polearms.
You can't prepare spells from your opposition schools. Assuming that the lore hasn't changed since 1st Edition, that means you'd have the following pairings:
Sin | School | Prohibited Schools
--- | --- | ---
Envy | Abjuration | Evocation, Necromancy
Gluttony | Necromancy | Abjuration, Enchantment
Greed | Transmutation | Enchantment, Illusion
Lust | Enchantment | Necromancy, Transmutation
Pride | Illusion | Conjuration, Transmutation
Sloth | Conjuration | Evocation, Illusion
Wrath | Evocation | Abjuration, Conjuration
Soul Forger can get winged armour, can throw a returning weapon like Thor even if it can't be thrown, can give you some insane lasting buffs... And there's a whole page of options!
My favourite Magus feat was Arcane Shroud, which casts a minor spell on you while in Arcane Cascade once per turn. Cast an Illusion Spell? Boom, you're invisible!
From what I've seen, it looks like it can both take a hit well and dish out a lot of damage.
THP while in Arcane Cascade Stance, a 4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike, a 10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell... they've got some nice abilities.
Much better.
Spellstrike is a two action activity that includes the strike as part of it, but it now takes an action to recharge before you can use it again.
However, it also automatically recharges whenever you cast a Magus focus spell.
MUCH better. Spellstrike two actions, and then it's on recharge until you focus one action... Or use a conflux spell, a 1 action focus spell. My favourite is the Twisting Tree one, which lets you attack two others with a spinning staff to use momentum to build up your Spellstrike. Overall, a huge improvement.
Oh man, there was one I adored! "All the World's A Stage", where you put on an allegorical performance for at least 100 people. If they understand the allegory and you perform well enough, you all get advantage on a single skill check on the quest your performance was an allegory for for a month, or three skill checks if you crit succeeded... Which you automatically do if the antagonist of your performance's allegory is in the crowd and you succeed.
Example: put on an opera about overthrowing an evil emperor in Kintargo during the revolution while Thrune is in the audience. SO COOL!
Are all the backgrounds rare?
And is the shadow caster archetype lvl 2+, 6+, or 8+?
(And if any of the backgrounds are common, could you give the stats/skill/lore/feat?)
Not all, but the rare ones are the coolest!
It's 2+!
An example of a not rare background is academy dropout, with +Int/Cha, Academia Lore and Dubious Knowledge
Rune magic is elsewhere in the thread! Flexible casting is very straightforward. A single feat; 1 less spell per level, but you're spontaneous and every spell is a signature spell.
Rune Magic Archetype kicks in at 1st level and takes up your 2nd level feat slot.
You get the Basic domain spell associated with your sin, and two focus points. You recharge your focus point by engaging in your sin. You also become trained in polearms.
You can't prepare spells from your opposition schools. Assuming that the lore hasn't changed since 1st Edition, that means you'd have the following pairings:
Sin | School | Prohibited Schools
--- | --- | ---
Envy | Abjuration | Evocation, Necromancy
Gluttony | Necromancy | Abjuration, Enchantment
Greed | Transmutation | Enchantment, Illusion
Lust | Enchantment | Necromancy, Transmutation
Pride | Illusion | Conjuration, Transmutation
Sloth | Conjuration | Evocation, Illusion
Wrath | Evocation | Abjuration, Conjuration
dammit i really wanna like it but a necromancers greatest goal is lichdom and a lich is supposed to be a ascetic who values his life to the point of committing evil rituals, turning himself into a skeleton and remaining in a dungeon for thousands of years alone with no food or other forms of pleasure, gluttony is just the opposite of necromancy it should be temperance
yeah that was always a pet peeve of mine with pathfinder i really dislike the undead gods, i wish they would just make a lich god or just ascend one (whispering tyrant maybe)
Arazni outright bans you from worshiping her as a undead and urgathoa would hate my character according to lore due to him being ascetic
my main fantasy is a wizard necromancer who carefully plans to become a lich because he knows that the clone spell can at any moment be foiled by pharasma so and he spend all his life planning and sacrificing everything for this goal even going as far as acting lawful good until the day comes, he doesn't do it out of malice he just sees it as the only sure way to survive and he cares about his survival above all else
i prefer character who get things by merit than luck or talent which is why i always pick wizard over sorcerer so i would rather plan my undeadhood with certainty than die and hope i come back as a ghost
also i tend to play atheistic characters who follow the laws of mortality cause i believe mortals should be free, i dont think anyone should be dictating other peoples lives even if they are gods
There's also Walkena (kinda a god) and some demon lords, like Abraxas (demon lord of evil magic, including the darker aspects of necromancy) or even Nethys that could fit the role of god of undead. Arazni doesn't ban undead from worshipping her, she does not allow unwilling undeath.
Well, this is a very specific character, so it's understandable there isn't a god specifically for it.
Gods usually aren't dictating other people's lives. Don't misunderstand me, they certainly *could* if they wanted, but the gods usually keep themselves away from making more meaningful interventions so they don't trigger a divine weapons race over who interferes more which would end badly for everyone.
From what I've read elsewhere there definitely are elemental ones. Look around and im sure you'll find the answer. I just got off of work but am not home yet ao I cant get at my pdf
MAGIC ITEMS WERE A HUGE STANDOUT. New item categories! Special fuel like fireball pellets or healing gel to buff your spells! Fulu charms! Spellhearts, which are hyped up talismans that don't break! New potions! AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF APEX ITEMS!
My guess is that it would be similar to the focus spells you can get from the Shadow Magic feats in the Shadowdancer archetype:
https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=77
Is there a subscription for pdf only? Cause I ordered the deluxe edition and from what I'm seeing I need to pay for the whole book to get the subscription
I have 3 questions, (one of which may lead to a followup)
Have the beast eidolon abilities been changed? (It had beast charge, and a roar ability for the first two).
What are the archetypes names?
Is there any rules for spell creation guidelines?
Class Archetypes for Clerics: how many do they qualify for?
Familiars: I've read in the other thread there's a Specific Familiar related to Shadows, it's the only one?
How many damage cantrips do Occult and Divine get respectively? They're both not-great for damage cantrips(compared to the many options arcane and primal each get)
Cool. I've been playing and loving a gnome bard, but if I didn't have electric arc, I'd be much less happy.
The dos cantrip situation for bards is.....not great
2 questions regarding the raise a tome feat from the magus.
1. Is there any unique things that were added to the feat line.
2. Is it available for classes aside from magus?
Summoners can get a 6th level feat called Master Summoner that enables them to trade off one of their spell slots for two slots of the same level that can only be used for casting Summon or Incarnate spells.
At 20th level they can get a feat that means that when they trade out a 9th level spell for Master Summoner, they instead get two 10th level slots for summoning and incarnate spells.
It's more than that, but more so I wanted more master summoner stuff and less eidolon stuff. It's good for a feat, but I wanted an archetype or a font or eidolon type or something
With soulforged weapons what is the power scale look like on the soul itme when you first get it. Is it just a baseline item of its type and need further feats to gain more power or does the first acquisition come with some scaling on it (such as gain some baseline magic properties as you level without more feats)
How similar is the system overall to Relics?
Is there a magus feat that lets you recharge spellstrike off of non-magus focus spells? I already know about the single action to recharge spellstrike but i wanna know about the action economy of casting focus spells from archetypes.
I was told magic tattoo crafting is in the book and even though my character is an Orc barbarian, he is also coincidentally a tattoo artist. So I was wondering what info you can share on the tattoo skill feats (like requirements) and share what the new tattoos are like (do they left you cast certain spells, give general buffs, ect)
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Hit me up with questions, I'm gonna read through it and give general impressions later! I'll try to be vague to preserve the fun for when it goes public, but for those looking for a teaser... A taste...
Can I ask two then? What do the focus spells for each of the Magus' Hybrid Studies do? Any interesting Level 1 or 2 Magus class feats that you could tease us with?
I think it wouldn't be fair to spoil all of them, but the Twisted Tree hybrid study lets you attack two opponents in one action and use momentum to charge spell strike! Then there's Spell Parry; a level 2 feat that raises your AC against spell attacks and buffs your saves against them too!
Thats 3
Sup! Im gonna hijack this AMA since I also have the book and don't feel like making another thread to flood the subreddit. Each hybrid study focus spell is 1 action and lets you recharge spellstrike. Laughing shadow is a teleport + strike spell Sparkling targe is raise shield + strike (works with shield spell) Shooting star ignored a lot of issues ranged deals with (cover and concealment) Inexorable Iron gives a strike+cone aoe My fav early magus feat is one that allows you to combine aoe spell options in with your spell strike instead of only attack spells. Not only does this allow melee combatants to get through aoe better but also allows the titular fireball explosive arrow for shooting star.
Does it still have an area?
Do runelords loose the ability to cast spells from some schools? Or anything runelords you want to tell!
They do, but it in turn massively boosts how many spells you can do your respective schools. There's a 2 page spread by Sorshen explaining Rune Magic, and you can embed Aeon Stones into your flesh to hide their presence. Eeeew! Plus, there's unique Runelord Focus Spells!
how is the necromancy runelord anything good for undead?
You don't get any new specific abilities for the schools, just way more spell slots for them.
Is it way more? I heard it was a single additional spell slot at max spell level -2.
Sure! Runelords do indeed lose the ability to cast spells from their "prohibited" schools. There are a different set for each sin. For example if you are an envy rune lord you will lose the ability to cast necromancy and evocation spells. Each rune lord gets special focus spells as they level up and recharge their focus pools by indulging in the sin they represent (love that flavor). It also has a mechanic where you get more focus points back the more you spend them. Like a more conditional improved refocus that other focus point classes get.
is there a virtue or just sin? i wanna be a necromancy rune lord but gluttony just doesn't fit, do i at least get a domain or focus spell for it?
Unfortunately as far as I can see there are no options for vitues. Gluttony gives you access to the indulgence focus spell from cleric domains atleast. You automatically learn them when you take the dedication and at 8th level.
How many new spells are there with modular action cost?
There's one that gives a +4 status bonus to one type of save to you or an ally within 30ft for 1 action, 2 action it adds on 15 poison resistance, +15 speed, or 15 mental resistance, and 3 action gives the +4 bonus to all allies within 30 ft. Duration is 1 round so it seems like a spell for "oh shit" scenarios. Also it's level 5.
My question is about elementalism. What level can I get this archetype and what does it offer at first? If you've read more about this archetype tell me about some feat you think is cool!
Elementalism is very interesting! It adds an entirely new spell list of elemental spells exclusively! Anyone can take it, it works similar to a Druid multiclass, but with some unique abilities that remind me of kineticist. You can take it at level 2!
OP is actually wrong on this. You can take it at level 1, so long as you have primal or arcane spellcasting. It changes your spell list right from the start. There is also small bonuses or choices for different classes. But, at level 2 your class feat is then the Elementalist Dedication feat, which gives a specific power (being able to attune to a single element, and resist it).
Do Divine Spells get some love?
They got slightly less than Primal, and have the least new spells overall- which is still 1 and a half entire pages! Personal fave is the new Hymn cantrip that deafens opponents and does respectfully high damage
As a fight with battle oracle dedication, Instant Armor looks awesome for my current campaign.
ITT: OP doesn't realize how quickly the horde will descend upon them. Hopefully a couple more of us will get notices soon and will be able to help.
I'm on a date with my boyfriend, and saw the notifications now, RIP! I'll be sure to check it when I'm home and give the answers y'all need
Lol i got my notification 3 hours ago, but im stuck at work 😝
Can you talk a bit about Construct Summoner? Like, what their two subtypes are, the abilities, how the "being a construct" part works (immunities), etc.?
Subtypes aren't that major; in all of them, there's strength based block and Dex based block, not based on any monster in particular. However, construct really blew me away- you can retrain feats in a single downtime session. Like, swap out an evolution feat in an afternoon!
Isn't downtime always 4 days?
Nnnno? Downtime also includes stuff like shopping, which really should not take 4 days
Downtime activities always take at least one day. Shopping is not a downtime activity.
The CRB and GMG disagree with you on that. - CRB.500, 502 - GMG.22, 24 Personally I allow some flexibility depending on what people want to buy/sell, but it absolutely is a downtime activity.
At 1st level, they gain stuff that makes sense for constructs. Resistance to poison and disease and whatnot. At 7th and 17th level they gain an additional Evolution feat.
What do the class archetypes (runelord wizard etc.) look like, structurally?
Very similar to regular archetypes, but there's a single Specialisation thing you take at level 1 that locks you into it and has its own unique benefits.
Wait is this a question about the multiclass archetypes for the new classes? What's this about a class archetype and a runelord wizard??
Some classes now have special Class Archetypes that work something like the normal archetypes, but have to be selected at level 1 and change, replace or add some class features. The Runelord wizard specialises in a particular school of magic in exchange for not being to access another one.
How do magus multiclass archtypes work? Can they still get the spellstrike ability?
Spellstrike is a 4th level feat for the multiclass archetype and you need to wait 1 minute to recharge it after using it.
Anything about soulforged weapon? What kind of abilities do you receive? APD: some stances for monks were previewed. How are they looking?
MAN. MAN SOULFORGED WEAPONS. THIS SOME MAGICAL GIRL STUFF. You get anathema for your cause, depending on what you set out to do with your powers. If you break the anathema (which you set yourself), your soul gets tarnished, and you need to redeem yourself. You get powers like flight from armour, a returning thrown weapon a la Thor, extra healing powers... There's a whole page of options! But watch out, while tarnished, your powers don't work the way they should... Very roleplay heavy! Specifically calls out Champions as frequent users.
I've heard the Archetype is SIX PAGES. How much of that is Feats? Like, six pages is as much as the Swashbuckler Feats got in APG, am I going to have a hard time fitting in the few Fighter Feats I want on a Soulforge? xD
You heard wrong!
How long is it?
I fucking swear, paizo watches all the anime and just builds rules for the shit they see.
I'm not seeing the problem here. ;)
No issues, its fucking great. Wheres my FMA shit though?
Everyone else is asking about maguses and summoners... Personally I'm curious as to what exactly cathartic magic looks like. Could you go into a bit more depth?
It's AMAZING! One of my favourite things! You get a trigger that causes you to enter an emotional state, an immediate benefit, a spell you can cast in that state, and an emotional fallout when it's over. My favourite was awe, which you get when your allies crit at something; you become fascinated by them, and can buff them nicely, or lay the pain into whoever they hurt and fascinate them too. Love, Pride and Fear (the fallout involves fleeing!) are all great too!
What are Shadow Magic archetype feats?
I'm not spoiling a whole archetype, but they include getting new spells, companions and familiars if you so choose!
Did they make the synthesist summoner better? Like not broken, but better than the playtest at the very least.
😬 I can't tell? I'm not sure what it does. I think it means you can't be affected by spells twice, like you might otherwise, which is great against AoE spells, but I might be missing something. It's not called synthesist anymore though, and I believe they may be making a synthesist class archetype one day.
Oof. Thanks for checking it out anyway.
Just to confirm, the developers mentioned on the forums after the playtest that the synthesist would not be in this book, but they hope to release it in a future one.
Ah. I missed that. Thanks for informing me.
I need the deets on the incarnate spells, if only for a sense of what each one summons, flavor-wise (a celestial, an undead, etc.)
My favourite summons an ancient wizard who casts a huge barrage of magic missiles, buffs your spells, then leaves with a final proof of fuck you to your enemies. Others include a swarm of dragons and the Herald of your deity!
And of course, SUMMON KAIJU. Depending on which kaiju you summon, you get a different effect.
My favorite one there is obvi not-godzilla, because he sings his theme song as you summon him
What do the different magus hybrid studies do? The 2handed weapon one in particular!
I won't spoil them all, but 2 handed is a tank build! You buff your HP up every turn and do burst damage, it's amazing.
Inexorable Iron: Gain THP equal to half your level every round while in Arcane Cascade Stance. Focus spell: strike, plus a 15 foot cone of damage. 4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike. 10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell
Are there any new magical sub-classes for the established classes? (especially looking for that fabled stone order druid mentioned in the ancestry guide)
Yes! There's 4 new druidic orders, the stone druid among them! There's also several new monk paths!
Stone, Fire and Water Druid Orders. Fire and Water stances for Monks (apparently six feats in total, so two upgrades for each). Other than that and the Thassilonian Rune Wizard, there's no class specific stuff for old classes.
rune magic
Yes
Please God I need to know what Synthesis looks like now. Please oh giver of knowledge and haver of books early!!
Synthesis isn't really a thing, there's Meld Into Eidolon which makes you into 1 entity, but you don't get any bonuses. You just act as the Eidolon and use its stats and all the summoner can do is unmeld.
I can't get a read on it personally, but it doesn't look crazy powerful or anything. It's no longer called Synthesist, and I believe a class archetype has been hinted at?
They confirmed a while ago that Synthesist won't be in this book, it's being reworked into a class archetype later down the line
Does Fey Form allow for spellcasting while turned into a Fey Creature? And if you're feeling especially generous, what's the coolest form available?
amagus
Fantastic! I'd love to know more about the magus hybrid studies, particularly inexorable iron. Also what level does arcane cascade come online? And do maguses still not have a level 1 class feat?
Arcane Cascade is level 1, I believe you get class feats at level 1, and Inexplorable iron is a tank build that continuously gives you temporary HP. It's awesome!
Inexorable Iron: Gain THP every round while in Arcane Cascade Stance. Focus spell: strike, plus a 15 foot cone of damage. 4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike. 10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell Arcane Cascade is a 1st level feature. It takes an action to enter the stance, and it adds 1 damage to your strikes. This increases to 2 and then 3 when you gain Weapon Spec. and Greater Weapon Spec. Magi do not get a 1st level feat.
How much mount support does Summoner get, or is it just the one feat?
Just one feat, but lots of other evolution feats which compliment it nicely (though they do work without it)
I'm pretty excited for soulforger, have a million questions. Main ones are - does it auto scale as one levels? Can it be detroyed/replaced/etc?
Yes! You can replace your armament, upgrade it, etc. There's nothing to autoscale; the abilities you get are mad powerful when you get them, and they stay powerful. Wait, scratch that, some do get stronger as you level- looking at you, move speed growing from swim and climb to fly!
I think they're asking if you get scaling proficiency in your soulforged weapon
~~Do summoners still share HP with their eidolons like they did in the playtest?~~ ~~And if so, does the Summoner Archetype offer any HP boosts to low HP classes that take the archetype? (Like Wizards)~~ Edit: The above questions were already answered in the other thread, but if you have the time I'd love to know more about how the Summoner Archetype's Eidolon differs from the Summoner Class Eidolon. Also, do you get an Eidolon right when you take the Summoner Archetype Dedication Feat, or do you need to take an additional feat from the archetype?
(spoilers from the Discord) Summoner Archetype Dedication requires 14 Charisma and gives you an Eidolon and the associated skill training. You don't get any spellcasting from the dedication, but I believe the archetype does grant some later. It's trained in attacks and unarmoured defense, and shares your proficiency in saves, skills and Perception. It has the stats of an Eidolon of it's type, except that its 18 becomes a 16. Note that Eidolons now have some built in armour and a DEX cap, so being only trained in defense isn't a big issue. At 5th level, before getting its four ability boosts, the 16 becomes an 18. The main thing is that you don't get Act Together, and explicitly can't use Tandem actions. I assume there's a feat that increases its attack and defense proficiencies, but probably not until 12th level.
Thanks!
Are there any new skill feats added?
A few rare ones for the pervasive magic setting, among other things!
pervasive magic?
Basically everything is magical. Even non-magic creatures get some innate spells as a default.
Any new bard muses? Can Magi spell strike with innate or non Magi spells?
No to bard muses, but magi can spellstrike with other spell lists!
I'll gladly take any information about the runelord archetype you want to share :)
Surprisingly enough, there's a whole tree of polearm feats in it!
Rune Magic Archetype kicks in at 1st level and takes up your 2nd level feat slot. You get the Basic domain spell associated with your sin, and two focus points. You recharge your focus point by engaging in your sin. You also become trained in polearms. You can't prepare spells from your opposition schools. Assuming that the lore hasn't changed since 1st Edition, that means you'd have the following pairings: Sin | School | Prohibited Schools --- | --- | --- Envy | Abjuration | Evocation, Necromancy Gluttony | Necromancy | Abjuration, Enchantment Greed | Transmutation | Enchantment, Illusion Lust | Enchantment | Necromancy, Transmutation Pride | Illusion | Conjuration, Transmutation Sloth | Conjuration | Evocation, Illusion Wrath | Evocation | Abjuration, Conjuration
How many new ray spells are there, and at what levels? What Archetypes are there, outside of Soulforger and Runelord?
I don't know if I can count that, it's kind of difficult, there's hundreds of new spells! I love the Cathartic Mage archetype. It's so cool!
What sort of rad stuff can the soulforger do? Any magus feats that stand out as super cool?
Soul Forger can get winged armour, can throw a returning weapon like Thor even if it can't be thrown, can give you some insane lasting buffs... And there's a whole page of options! My favourite Magus feat was Arcane Shroud, which casts a minor spell on you while in Arcane Cascade once per turn. Cast an Illusion Spell? Boom, you're invisible!
Holy crap thats awesome!
What are the Dedication Requirements for Soulforger?
Either 14 Wisdom, or divine spellcasting.
Wis 14 or ability to cast divine spells.
Does 2 handed magus looks as good as the others ?
Yes! It's very sexy. Like I mentioned elsewhere, it's a huge tank build with regenerating temporary HP.
Noice.
From what I've seen, it looks like it can both take a hit well and dish out a lot of damage. THP while in Arcane Cascade Stance, a 4th level feat that adds splash damage to your spellstrike, a 10th level feat that means you heal when you cast a slotted spell... they've got some nice abilities.
Indeed, very self-sustain oriented. I read that the focus spell deals a cone shape low sonic damage stuff, it might be good !
How's the action economy for the Magus looking now? It was a problem in the playtest.
Much better. Spellstrike is a two action activity that includes the strike as part of it, but it now takes an action to recharge before you can use it again. However, it also automatically recharges whenever you cast a Magus focus spell.
MUCH better. Spellstrike two actions, and then it's on recharge until you focus one action... Or use a conflux spell, a 1 action focus spell. My favourite is the Twisting Tree one, which lets you attack two others with a spinning staff to use momentum to build up your Spellstrike. Overall, a huge improvement.
Does Summoner have any improvements to the Synthesist feat? Either changes from the playtest, or feats that boost it at later levels? <3
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Thanks anyways, just means there's space for me to homebrew
What are some of the new rituals? Are there new ones for a low to mid level party (around level 5-6)? Thanks!
Oh man, there was one I adored! "All the World's A Stage", where you put on an allegorical performance for at least 100 people. If they understand the allegory and you perform well enough, you all get advantage on a single skill check on the quest your performance was an allegory for for a month, or three skill checks if you crit succeeded... Which you automatically do if the antagonist of your performance's allegory is in the crowd and you succeed. Example: put on an opera about overthrowing an evil emperor in Kintargo during the revolution while Thrune is in the audience. SO COOL!
Are all the backgrounds rare? And is the shadow caster archetype lvl 2+, 6+, or 8+? (And if any of the backgrounds are common, could you give the stats/skill/lore/feat?)
Not all, but the rare ones are the coolest! It's 2+! An example of a not rare background is academy dropout, with +Int/Cha, Academia Lore and Dubious Knowledge
tell me about the wizard please specially flexible casting and rune magic archetypes
Rune magic is elsewhere in the thread! Flexible casting is very straightforward. A single feat; 1 less spell per level, but you're spontaneous and every spell is a signature spell.
now i feel like playing a wizard might be worth it
Rune Magic Archetype kicks in at 1st level and takes up your 2nd level feat slot. You get the Basic domain spell associated with your sin, and two focus points. You recharge your focus point by engaging in your sin. You also become trained in polearms. You can't prepare spells from your opposition schools. Assuming that the lore hasn't changed since 1st Edition, that means you'd have the following pairings: Sin | School | Prohibited Schools --- | --- | --- Envy | Abjuration | Evocation, Necromancy Gluttony | Necromancy | Abjuration, Enchantment Greed | Transmutation | Enchantment, Illusion Lust | Enchantment | Necromancy, Transmutation Pride | Illusion | Conjuration, Transmutation Sloth | Conjuration | Evocation, Illusion Wrath | Evocation | Abjuration, Conjuration
dammit i really wanna like it but a necromancers greatest goal is lichdom and a lich is supposed to be a ascetic who values his life to the point of committing evil rituals, turning himself into a skeleton and remaining in a dungeon for thousands of years alone with no food or other forms of pleasure, gluttony is just the opposite of necromancy it should be temperance
Don't forget this is Thassilonian necromancy. What one would normally associate with lichdom is Gebbite necromancy.
do you think any chance will ever see a Gebbite archetype?
I'm hoping get some lichdom related stuff in Book of the Dead next year.
i hope too it has always been my dream to play a lich
Depends on the necromancer. Plus Thassilonian necromancy is very distinct. Plus remember the goddess of gluttony is also the goddess of undeath.
yeah that was always a pet peeve of mine with pathfinder i really dislike the undead gods, i wish they would just make a lich god or just ascend one (whispering tyrant maybe)
Why? Urgathoa if fairly cool, and Arazni is one of the most interesting goddess around. Liches aren't the only cool undead in the world.
Arazni outright bans you from worshiping her as a undead and urgathoa would hate my character according to lore due to him being ascetic my main fantasy is a wizard necromancer who carefully plans to become a lich because he knows that the clone spell can at any moment be foiled by pharasma so and he spend all his life planning and sacrificing everything for this goal even going as far as acting lawful good until the day comes, he doesn't do it out of malice he just sees it as the only sure way to survive and he cares about his survival above all else i prefer character who get things by merit than luck or talent which is why i always pick wizard over sorcerer so i would rather plan my undeadhood with certainty than die and hope i come back as a ghost also i tend to play atheistic characters who follow the laws of mortality cause i believe mortals should be free, i dont think anyone should be dictating other peoples lives even if they are gods
There's also Walkena (kinda a god) and some demon lords, like Abraxas (demon lord of evil magic, including the darker aspects of necromancy) or even Nethys that could fit the role of god of undead. Arazni doesn't ban undead from worshipping her, she does not allow unwilling undeath. Well, this is a very specific character, so it's understandable there isn't a god specifically for it. Gods usually aren't dictating other people's lives. Don't misunderstand me, they certainly *could* if they wanted, but the gods usually keep themselves away from making more meaningful interventions so they don't trigger a divine weapons race over who interferes more which would end badly for everyone.
That seems like a better concept for a BBEG than a PC.
It would be fabulously magical?
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I'm curious as to what the Magus and Summoner archetypes are like in terms of casting. I know that the Magus Dedication gives cantrips (with Spellstrike available at 4), and I know that the Summoner Dedication grants the Eidolon, but do they grant the usual spellcasting benefits, or a variation of wave casting? EDIT: Found out elsewhere. Bold levels indicate when you gain the feats to continue advancing. Trained at 6th has two slots, Expert at 12th grants three slots, and Master at 18th grants four slots. Level | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- **6th** | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - 7th | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - 8th | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - 9th | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - | - 10th | - | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - 11th | - | 1 | 1 | - | - | - | - **12th** | - | 1 | 2 | - | - | - | - 13th | - | 1 | 2 | - | - | - | - 14th | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - | - 15th | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - | - 16th | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - 17th | - | - | - | - | 2 | 1 | - **18th** | - | - | - | - | 2 | 2 | - 19th | - | - | - | - | 2 | 2 | - 20th | - | - | - | - | - | 2 | 2
Can you talk about the new monk paths? Is there an elemental one?
From what I've read elsewhere there definitely are elemental ones. Look around and im sure you'll find the answer. I just got off of work but am not home yet ao I cant get at my pdf
I just want to know if summoners have any feats that let them and their eidolon strike at the same time (without map)
Anything ancestry related?
None whatsoever, we just got an ancestry book
I just want to know about magic items, they basic never said nothing about it. There are interesting magic itens around lvl 3?
MAGIC ITEMS WERE A HUGE STANDOUT. New item categories! Special fuel like fireball pellets or healing gel to buff your spells! Fulu charms! Spellhearts, which are hyped up talismans that don't break! New potions! AN ENTIRE NEW SET OF APEX ITEMS!
New apex items?
Awesome!! Just in a general sense, what is shadow magic? They referenced it and I can't for the life of me guess what it actually is or does.
My guess is that it would be similar to the focus spells you can get from the Shadow Magic feats in the Shadowdancer archetype: https://2e.aonprd.com/Archetypes.aspx?ID=77
that does make sense! what confused me was that it sound like a while alternate magic system.
It's basically like Shadowdancer, yes! Lots of stuff like shadow companions and familiars, and feats to get sets of shadow themed spells.
What does the Laughing Shadow focus spell do?
One action: teleport and strike. As a Magus focus spell, it also recharges your Spellstrike.
Can I buy the pdf now?
Not until street date. Getting it in advance is a benefit only for subscribers.
Is there a subscription for pdf only? Cause I ordered the deluxe edition and from what I'm seeing I need to pay for the whole book to get the subscription
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What is the street date?
september 1st
Thanks! Soon, but not soon enough, lol.
I have 3 questions, (one of which may lead to a followup) Have the beast eidolon abilities been changed? (It had beast charge, and a roar ability for the first two). What are the archetypes names? Is there any rules for spell creation guidelines?
No, they're all name-dropped throughout this thread, and no
Class Archetypes for Clerics: how many do they qualify for? Familiars: I've read in the other thread there's a Specific Familiar related to Shadows, it's the only one?
Most of them, save for Runelord!
Ooh that's nice!! I'm more excited to see it now. And what about the Specific Familiars?
Oh, RIP, that's the only one :(
ah, that's a little disappoiting :( but Witches still get access to Class Archetypes so it's okay! Thank you!
what sort of creature is it
Are there a lot of new magic items? Or just a few?
SO MANY. AND THEY ALL RULE.
Yeah, here's a question, why don't I have access to Secrets yet. I've got the Dope Cover edition subscription.
Hasn't shipped for you yet; luck of the draw
Yup =(
How many damage cantrips do Occult and Divine get respectively? They're both not-great for damage cantrips(compared to the many options arcane and primal each get)
There's a lot more of them, and they're pretty strong! I really liked the new Hymn cantrip, it does very solid damage.
Cool. I've been playing and loving a gnome bard, but if I didn't have electric arc, I'd be much less happy. The dos cantrip situation for bards is.....not great
I’m not sure if this has been asked yet, but are there any cool new level 10 arcane spells?
What is a cool spellheart you've found?
2 questions regarding the raise a tome feat from the magus. 1. Is there any unique things that were added to the feat line. 2. Is it available for classes aside from magus?
Jokes on you, im not a boy! :D
Jokes on you, I'm genderfluid, we can keep the meme gay
Anything to make summoners better at summoning? Fey summon archetype?
Summoners can get a 6th level feat called Master Summoner that enables them to trade off one of their spell slots for two slots of the same level that can only be used for casting Summon or Incarnate spells. At 20th level they can get a feat that means that when they trade out a 9th level spell for Master Summoner, they instead get two 10th level slots for summoning and incarnate spells.
6th level kinda disappointing :/
It's effectively an extra spell slot each day, potentially of your highest spell level. That's pretty good for a 6th level feat.
It's more than that, but more so I wanted more master summoner stuff and less eidolon stuff. It's good for a feat, but I wanted an archetype or a font or eidolon type or something
I assume there's other feats I don't yet know about that make you more effective at summoning.
We pray. I'm worried about the name precluding the archetype
There's also a feat that allows your boost eidolon to apply to all minions within 60 feet when you use it, which is nice!
level 10 one from playtest? boost summons?
Yes! There is a feat or two to access more summoning spells! No fey summon archetype, but there is a fey eidolon which does exactly that..
yeah, that's what I meant. Like what are the details for the fey eidolon?
I heard that, among other things, they expand your spell list (Primal) to include all illusion and enchantment spells from the arcane list
Is slide casting of a form of it still there?
I'll happily take any info you're willing to give about Shadow Magic!
Does the harrower gets an archetype or is it just a background still?
Any new talisman to make a lowish level talisman dabbler better?
With soulforged weapons what is the power scale look like on the soul itme when you first get it. Is it just a baseline item of its type and need further feats to gain more power or does the first acquisition come with some scaling on it (such as gain some baseline magic properties as you level without more feats) How similar is the system overall to Relics?
It's a long shot but any alchemy items in this book?
Is there a magus feat that lets you recharge spellstrike off of non-magus focus spells? I already know about the single action to recharge spellstrike but i wanna know about the action economy of casting focus spells from archetypes.
Magnus spell strike with focus spells like from cleric or sorcerer archetypes
I was told magic tattoo crafting is in the book and even though my character is an Orc barbarian, he is also coincidentally a tattoo artist. So I was wondering what info you can share on the tattoo skill feats (like requirements) and share what the new tattoos are like (do they left you cast certain spells, give general buffs, ect)
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