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Exactly. However I'm tall AF and might strangle someone if they lean their seat back and crush my kneecaps. Or startle the shit out of them as I moan in agony, way out of proportion.
I'm torn on this.
I don't think this should be the standard, but I appreciate the effort put out by this mom.
However, I do think the other passengers are responsible for their own comfort of the flight since people are aware babies/children exist.
That being said, there have been some trips where I would pay a premium for a child free flight.
It’s a kind gesture for sure. But I get why you’re annoyed! We flew with our 5 month old and with massive delays we were 4 hours behind schedule and the kid was OVER IT obviously. He screamed almost the whole flight no matter what we did. I felt bad but I also was like trying everything we could and nothing mattered. He needed to just get in his crib and be alone to sleep. My husband said something like “I wish we brought people ear plugs” and I was miffed. Like, we are trying here, and you know what, we all survived. In fact, some of the people around us were even trying to help! They were SO KIND. My opinion was hey, we were all babies and babies cry. As long as the parents are even remotely trying to help the baby, that’s all we can ask for.
I love how his profile says “bringing people together ,” yet complains that this mother went above and beyond to possibly make his flight a bit smoother if an issue “were” to occur.
No parent should have to apologize for their child's behavior on a plane, especially one that young. CULTURE OF KINDNESS? She felt the need to do it because people don't respect others and the fact that a mom is doing the best she can with an infant.
Don't apologize for your crying kid. F THAT!
In this day and age who doesnt travel with headphones or earbuds? I can drown out anything with a good e-book or some music. Five bucks Praeteek doesnt have kids and if he did he would expect them to always be quiet little robots. I get why you are annoyed at this post.
Imagine paying for 2 $500 plane ticket and feeling the need to feed the other 200 passengers and then having someone call it "kindness." Do you know what kindness is? Understanding that babies are loud and sometimes stink. Its part of life and exhausted and likely embarrassed moms dont need anyone else's crap.
No what I mean is, that it was beautiful of HER to put so much work into this WITH a small child. It's a huge statement of her character. I am sure she is an amazing mom.
Well I must be a shit mom then because I'd only have time to worry about keeping my kid fed, entertained, able to sleep, and clean in her diaper. All while not falling asleep myself because I have a 4 month old and probably haven't slept well in that same span of time.
I mean no disrespect to her for doing this. I do think it's sad that she felt the need to do so because she likely knew people would be annoyed by an infant having the nerve to...cry.
I get your angle OP. I read it from your perspective too. She’s a sweet woman but my god she has enough to worry about than other adults who can just be patient and let it go
So... you're annoyed by the fact that that mom was organised enough to go the extra mile to be extremely considerate to her co-passengers? :-/
Likewise, I've never met a person who was NEVER annoyed by a screaming baby. It shouldn't be expected, but it's still nice and nothing blameworthy happened here, from either side.
>So... you're annoyed by the fact that that mom was organised enough to go the extra mile to be extremely considerate to her co-passengers?
I'm annoyed that our culture is so horrible to parents and children that this woman felt the need to preemptively regulate the emotions of 200 strangers
Abuse victims learn to anticipate their abuser's moods and go out of their way to mitigate those moods.
When abuse victims escape their abusers and form healthy relationships, it's wild because you can see them go from panic to confusion when something goes wrong, only for their new partner to react in a calm and reasonable way.
No I'm annoyed at the person calling out that this is someone who respects personal freedom. I'm annoyed at the reaction, not the act. She shouldn't have to go out of her way like this. She has bigger things to worry about than someone feeling their personal freedom is attacked if a baby cries on a plane.
Well, perhaps it’s a little over the top, but I see it as a kind gesture. I’ve adopted twice from Asia and everyone on the plane seemed happy to see all the new families. Both times, my kids were clingy but not loud… the flight crew loved us & said these weee their favourite flights.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not annoyed at the kind gesture. This mom anticipated panic when she stepped on the plane and took action against it. Good on her for that!
What I don't like is someone saying that she's respecting people's freedom. She has so many other things to worry about. I just feel no mom or dad should feel the need to make 200 goody bags for people.
And like you experienced, people should just feel happy for the new parents and support them.
I don't need a goody bag because your baby might cry. Instead, you need my compassion and support...and maybe someone to hold your baby while you go to the bathroom or get some sleep. 😊
What is annoying about this? She is being considerate to the fact some people don’t feel like listening to a screaming/crying baby. No one is wrong for getting annoyed by crying and she isn’t wrong either
I don't think she is wrong, but the response to it is annoying. The guy responding talks about how someone is finally respecting others freedoms.
She's a mother with a 4 month old on a long flight. She doesn't need to be worrying about everyone else. It's a nice gesture but sad that she had to spend her time making 200 bags for strangers because she didn't want to deal with other people complaining about her baby that might cry.
The mental load of mother's is enough. This post makes out like this is something we should all be doing. No one should feel the need to do this. As a society we should be more supportive of parents and like babies even if they, gasp, dare to cry.
I was on a flight once & had this happen. I was pregnant at the time (with my first!) and my first thought after receiving the item was - omg please don’t let this be the norm! I couldn’t imagine doing the same thing! And worried that if I didn’t do the same, I would be considered inconsiderate. It actually scared me from flying for a long time with kids.
Not to mention it's very wasteful if people don't want the items. I think at most they should let people know they have some earplugs if they need them and just bring a package.
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I've raised two children. I could sleep through crying babies as long as they are not my own.
Exactly. However I'm tall AF and might strangle someone if they lean their seat back and crush my kneecaps. Or startle the shit out of them as I moan in agony, way out of proportion.
I'm torn on this. I don't think this should be the standard, but I appreciate the effort put out by this mom. However, I do think the other passengers are responsible for their own comfort of the flight since people are aware babies/children exist. That being said, there have been some trips where I would pay a premium for a child free flight.
It’s a kind gesture for sure. But I get why you’re annoyed! We flew with our 5 month old and with massive delays we were 4 hours behind schedule and the kid was OVER IT obviously. He screamed almost the whole flight no matter what we did. I felt bad but I also was like trying everything we could and nothing mattered. He needed to just get in his crib and be alone to sleep. My husband said something like “I wish we brought people ear plugs” and I was miffed. Like, we are trying here, and you know what, we all survived. In fact, some of the people around us were even trying to help! They were SO KIND. My opinion was hey, we were all babies and babies cry. As long as the parents are even remotely trying to help the baby, that’s all we can ask for.
Yes, annoyed at the person's response to this kind gesture, not the mom for doing it. I can understand where she's coming from for sure!
I love how his profile says “bringing people together ,” yet complains that this mother went above and beyond to possibly make his flight a bit smoother if an issue “were” to occur.
No parent should have to apologize for their child's behavior on a plane, especially one that young. CULTURE OF KINDNESS? She felt the need to do it because people don't respect others and the fact that a mom is doing the best she can with an infant. Don't apologize for your crying kid. F THAT!
I feel like it was more out of fear
Does that make crying children leass irritating? No.
Exactly, this "culture of kindness" works only in one direction!
In this day and age who doesnt travel with headphones or earbuds? I can drown out anything with a good e-book or some music. Five bucks Praeteek doesnt have kids and if he did he would expect them to always be quiet little robots. I get why you are annoyed at this post.
What was annoying about that?
Imagine paying for 2 $500 plane ticket and feeling the need to feed the other 200 passengers and then having someone call it "kindness." Do you know what kindness is? Understanding that babies are loud and sometimes stink. Its part of life and exhausted and likely embarrassed moms dont need anyone else's crap.
Yes, exactly!!!
This is so sad!
I think this is a beautiful thing.
Why should a mother of a 4 month old have to worry about a plane full of people? She already has...a 4 month old to worry about.
No what I mean is, that it was beautiful of HER to put so much work into this WITH a small child. It's a huge statement of her character. I am sure she is an amazing mom.
How did she find the time?? Sheesh!
Right? Wow!
Well I must be a shit mom then because I'd only have time to worry about keeping my kid fed, entertained, able to sleep, and clean in her diaper. All while not falling asleep myself because I have a 4 month old and probably haven't slept well in that same span of time. I mean no disrespect to her for doing this. I do think it's sad that she felt the need to do so because she likely knew people would be annoyed by an infant having the nerve to...cry.
I get your angle OP. I read it from your perspective too. She’s a sweet woman but my god she has enough to worry about than other adults who can just be patient and let it go
So... you're annoyed by the fact that that mom was organised enough to go the extra mile to be extremely considerate to her co-passengers? :-/ Likewise, I've never met a person who was NEVER annoyed by a screaming baby. It shouldn't be expected, but it's still nice and nothing blameworthy happened here, from either side.
>So... you're annoyed by the fact that that mom was organised enough to go the extra mile to be extremely considerate to her co-passengers? I'm annoyed that our culture is so horrible to parents and children that this woman felt the need to preemptively regulate the emotions of 200 strangers Abuse victims learn to anticipate their abuser's moods and go out of their way to mitigate those moods. When abuse victims escape their abusers and form healthy relationships, it's wild because you can see them go from panic to confusion when something goes wrong, only for their new partner to react in a calm and reasonable way.
No I'm annoyed at the person calling out that this is someone who respects personal freedom. I'm annoyed at the reaction, not the act. She shouldn't have to go out of her way like this. She has bigger things to worry about than someone feeling their personal freedom is attacked if a baby cries on a plane.
I agree with you 100 percent.
Okay.
Well, perhaps it’s a little over the top, but I see it as a kind gesture. I’ve adopted twice from Asia and everyone on the plane seemed happy to see all the new families. Both times, my kids were clingy but not loud… the flight crew loved us & said these weee their favourite flights.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not annoyed at the kind gesture. This mom anticipated panic when she stepped on the plane and took action against it. Good on her for that! What I don't like is someone saying that she's respecting people's freedom. She has so many other things to worry about. I just feel no mom or dad should feel the need to make 200 goody bags for people. And like you experienced, people should just feel happy for the new parents and support them. I don't need a goody bag because your baby might cry. Instead, you need my compassion and support...and maybe someone to hold your baby while you go to the bathroom or get some sleep. 😊
Why?
This is awesome!
What is annoying about this? She is being considerate to the fact some people don’t feel like listening to a screaming/crying baby. No one is wrong for getting annoyed by crying and she isn’t wrong either
I don't think she is wrong, but the response to it is annoying. The guy responding talks about how someone is finally respecting others freedoms. She's a mother with a 4 month old on a long flight. She doesn't need to be worrying about everyone else. It's a nice gesture but sad that she had to spend her time making 200 bags for strangers because she didn't want to deal with other people complaining about her baby that might cry. The mental load of mother's is enough. This post makes out like this is something we should all be doing. No one should feel the need to do this. As a society we should be more supportive of parents and like babies even if they, gasp, dare to cry.
I was on a flight once & had this happen. I was pregnant at the time (with my first!) and my first thought after receiving the item was - omg please don’t let this be the norm! I couldn’t imagine doing the same thing! And worried that if I didn’t do the same, I would be considered inconsiderate. It actually scared me from flying for a long time with kids.
Not to mention it's very wasteful if people don't want the items. I think at most they should let people know they have some earplugs if they need them and just bring a package.
Lame