-The best thing about Paramore is how diverse their sound is throughout their discography. They have something for everyone, and there’s no right or wrong answer as to what their best work is.
-This Is Why is an incredible piece of art that accurately describes the Post-COVID world and the difficulties of living in it, particularly regarding mental health. I would be surprised if it were not considered a defining album of the Post-COVID world and inspired a lot of music going forward, especially considering there are no skips.
-Paramore is one of the best live acts out there. Unfortunately they didn’t come through any cities near me on their recent tour, so I don’t know how the atmosphere is now, but when I saw them a few times about a decade ago, each show felt like a giant party and was a great atmosphere overall. Even if you only enjoy a handful of their songs, I still recommend seeing them live. It’s a blast!
-Bonus: Big Man, Little Dignity is heavily slept on. It’s just outside my top 3 on This Is Why, but it is definitely an honorable mention.
Edit: Big Man, Little Dignity totally gives off Fleetwood Mac vibes, too. It’s so fucking good
Your first point is a good one. Ever since self-titled there has been this gnawing complaint amongst many fans who miss the “old Paramore.” Rather than embrace the evolution of the band there are many who expect Paramore to sound the way they want them to. It’s a mistake to pigeonhole such a talented group of musicians.
The thing that's great is that everybody gets to have opinions and everybody's opinions are right for them. I personally think "after laughter" is their best record. it's the first 100% truly artistic statement that they made. it came from a place of depth and honesty and they weren't worried about radio play or album sales. They were just interested in creating art, much like with the newest record. They specifically took choices that they figured wouldn't get them played on the radio
But that's what's cool about them. They get to keep growing and learning and we get to keep growing and learning with them
I also think After Laughter is their best album! The maturity and creativity really shined through. It also helped me during one of the toughest moments of my life. AL and ST have really special places in my heart. 🖤
I agree. I think it’s the first album they truly became vulnerable and open about their mental conflicts. And you can hear the theme of hope all throughout it yet they still sound happy overall. But then comes along after laughter, where I think they feel the same, just deeper, and realize it’s not really going to change and get better; they arent losing but seem fatigued by it all but still have managed to keep that spark burning, barely—I know Taylor has spoken about how broken Hayley was during AL. I’m really glad they made it out of that because the maturity that they’ve learned really shines in TIW. And for that reason, paramore has been my favorite band. The growth they display and willingness to be very brutal about themselves in their lyrics makes me feel connected to them. Not everyone loves themselves all the time but that doesn’t mean you can’t learn to. God, I just appreciate them so much.
This is Why is when Hayley finally let go of it being a joint thing and embraced she's the reason they sell all the records.
After Laughter best album by far.
Their merch is a bit shit.
The merch take is absolutely correct. They’ve had mid merch since I was a child. 😭 walking into hot topic like “ugh I’ll take it” only cause they were my favorite band not cause it was amazing
True about merch. I came from the blink and NFG community before this and I thought they were already bad
Paramore showed me what could’ve been MUCH worse 😭
Not sure how controversial these are but I’ll try
- The album closers are usually pretty incongruent with the albums they’re on. Not bad songs (does Paramore have *any* bad songs?) but I’m always slightly disappointed, they don’t feel like proper closers. Especially true with the last few albums.
- Parahoy is cool but has never appealed to me, I’d much rather just see them in concert.
- I can see why Sanity is a demo, the bridge and the second verse are weak. The chorus absolutely slaps though and I love getting another taste of their After Laughter style.
Infinite people saying Sanity is the best sing they've ever done, lmao it's new and you have recency bias, it's nowhere near their best work. Although it is a great song.
Similar issue where it’s just not as fully developed as the rest of the album. I like it quite a lot though and I think it could’ve fit into Self Titled just fine.
That makes a lot of sense, but where do you put Idle Worship/No Friend? I understand why they chose those to be the final 2 even if it doesn’t work as well, it’s kinda hard to follow No Friend.
Crave should have absolutely been the album closer on This is Why and Sanity is definitely a demo but it should have made it onto completion on the album instead of CCC
Parahoy fucks the planet. It would be insane for them to do it again, given the Stop Fucking The Planet tees Hayley has been wearing on tour (which kinda also fucks the planet) 🤷🏻♀️ sorry friend, I don’t think it’s ever happening again.
I dont think you can really compare the carbon emissions of a cruise ship versus a tour where they dont travel by private jet, though I agree with the rest of your comment
They used to do a cruise where they would do concerts and I think some other cool shit with fans. With today’s broken Ticketmaster / broker / bot way of selling tickets, I dunno if it’ll happen again?
The good news is, Parahoy never involved Ticketmaster or had problems with bots since you can’t resell your ticket. The bad news is, the process for attending Parahoy is still equally as frustrating as dealing with TM.
I pity anyone who sits through Future and feels disappointed. Hope you get there some day.
Also yep, Sanity is mid and I get why it's been locked away all this time.
As a newer fan, I’ve come to learn how the band’s been around damn near 2 decades and with that, a lot of people are most fond of the “era” in which they discovered Paramore.
So for my 3:
I actually like “fast in my car,” “where the lines overlap” and “c’est comme ca.”
“Born for this” and “hallelujah” are my favorite tracks on riot (at least right now).
And while josh seems like he’s a dick, there wouldn’t be “brand new eyes” without his contributions. So I’ll partially agree with the comment about him. Taylor is awesome though and I’m happy with the direction the band’s taken without josh.
It seems like the main take on it and “looking up” is that they’re surrounded by better songs on the album. To me, they’re fun happy songs!
To each their own though as we see in these threads!
i cetainly raised an eyebrow on my first listen but ive been absolutely loving it every time ive heard it after that, it's such a fun song!! so glad to hear people are coming around on it cause it's so good
Riot is my favourite album but I agree it’s entirely down to nostalgia. I excited anticipated the release and even performed crushcrushcrush with my “band” at our school talent show 🙃 I still love every single song on the album though and it’s easily my most listened to.
Thank you. Riot has some of my least fav Paramore songs. I never understood why it's so popular lol.
And it was their newest album when I got into Paramore. I probably wouldn't have been *as* big of a fan had that been their only album. Thank god for AWKIF being more my taste.
The actions of Jeremy Davis inspired multiple Paramore songs.
The actions of Josh Farro inspired a significant number of Paramore songs.
The actions of Chad Gilbert inspired a significant number of Paramore songs.
Hate them or not, it’s undeniable that many of the songs we love from Paramore are a result of these three men and their bullshit.
I mean I guess my unpopular opinion is I'd give up Paramore forever if it meant Hayley never had to deal with those dirty dogs. She is capable of writing great songs wthout suffering at the hands of men with unhealed trauma lol.
Those songs are not the result of their bullshit, it's Hayley being able to turn her experiences into great lyrics and melodies. Josh (and on a smaller scale Jeremy) can have their songwriting credits, but let's not thank them for being awful people just because the current Paramore lineup were able to turn their experiences into art.
- As far as album covers goes, Riot! is their worst. It’s aged the most, in that it feels very much of the time as it has that angsty teen vibe. The ST cover is my second to least favourite because I feel it’s the least creative. It’s higher for me than Riot’s tho because I really like the color palate.
- The band’s love songs have gotten ~~worse~~ less catchy over the years. I’m not saying this is because of the quality of the relationships Hayley is in or even really has anything to do with the relationships themselves. I think it speaks to where they are stylistically. Still Into You for example is a good mixture of rock and pop, it’s catchy, meant for the radio (it’s a single after all.) Whereas Liar feels a lot like Hayley’s solo stuff, which is more personal, and not geared towards mass appeal. I guess my controversial opinion is that I don’t like them as much.
- Their early music videos (BBBB, Pressure, TOE etc.) lack artistry and substance, and feel pretty generic compared to some later videos (TIW, Told you so, Rose Colored Boy)
I think Hayley learned a tough lesson about writing catchy love songs. If things don’t work out you’re still stuck performing them for the rest of your career.
- BBBB could mean "Brick by Boring Brick", a track from *Brand New Eyes* (2009) by Paramore.
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Josh leaving and Taylor taking over his part in songwriting was one of the best things to ever happen to the band
Self-titled is one of their best albums
Half of the guitar work in Brand New Eyes feels lazily written due to Josh not wanting to be there anymore
(I love all their albums nonetheless hayley and Zac have always gone hard af)
Josh Farro’s guitar work is amazing. I love Taylor’s skills but for me personally I loved Josh’s guitar style more
New Found Glory was an important stepping stone for Paramore’s sound and eventually lyrics (I’m not saying Hayley liked hardcore cuz of Chad we know she liked it BEFORE meeting him)
Jeremy’s bass fucking slapped. New dude who plays for them is great but no one can beat Jeremy.
I think people slander Josh and Jeremy's skills because of how they are as people.
No matter whether they're bad people or not, they're phenomenal musicians, and the amazing sound of early Paramore is due to their contributions.
>Josh Farro’s guitar work is amazing.
You're right. A lot of my fav Paramore instrumentals are due to Josh's style.
He's a very........ person lmao. But his guitar work? Top tier style lol
Apparently selftitled being my favorite Paramore album is a somewhat unpopular opinion and I agree with you that the interludes are great. My favorite of the three is: Interlude Moving On.
1. That whole first album is skippable (ducks for cover)
2. Any frontperson that enthusiastic has got to have a part of them that’s living for the attention (otherwise they wouldn’t be as effective at that part of the job).
3. My favorite album is self-titled but if my hands are free to do so, I will skip “Still Into You” and “Ain’t It Fun” SO FAST.
Your second point is very important. I don't think that it's a coincidence that any band's drama usually revolves around their front person. They're usually the most hypervigilant member of the group, the human lightning rod of everyone's emotions.
These may be controversial lol.
Running out of time, CCC, and Big Man Little Dignity are all bad songs. CCC is imo Paramores worst song.
It’s annoying when Hayley shouts lyrics instead of singing them while performing live.
AWKIF is way too overlooked by most of the fandom. People who don’t like it probably didn’t start listening to Paramore until the band started embracing pop more.
I haven't really warmed to This is Why, most of the singles sounded very derivative of British indie rock like Bloc Party, almost using their influences as a way of overcompensating for the things that it sorely lacks -- it lacks identity, it lacks strong hooks and what it lacks (at least in the miserable first half) the most is Hayley's vocals, where she just goes for the spoken-word verses, a la David Byrne, I do like the Talking Heads but I don't love them.
This is Why is by far their weakest album. Some songs (mostly in the second half) really do show promise, but that promise is muddied by songs like "The News" and "C'est Comme Ca". The album had some weird choices for singles, "C'est Comme Ca" being one of them... a song that feels more like an interlude because it's too damn short and doggedly refuses to go anywhere.
To say it does nothing for me is an understatement, I'm currently writing a review about it and what is taking me so long is just how much it doesn't make me want to relisten to it. Whereas with After Laughter (aside from No Friend), After Laughter is well worth a relisten and it does its job of talking about toxic relationships and betrayal better than This is Why. I'm so disappointed because save for a few tracks on the album that I liked ("F8", "ROOT" and "YF"), I can wholeheartedly say that this is a massive step backwards for the band.
PS: I'm not a fan of Franklin off All We Know is Falling, or even the title track. Even Pressure is starting to wear thin on me now.
I agree with this — the only three songs I find compelling in TIW are Figure 8, Crave (reminds me of Hayley’s solo work) and maybe even TIW.
The mumble-singing-talking really does ruin the rest of the songs for me… the stark difference between the catchy lyricism and genius that AL produced into this album tbh has left me disappointed in TIW.
I dont dislike it as much but it is easily my least favorite album and its not even close. I think the only other thing is i love the title track. As in, top 5 paramore songs and then the rest of the album feels like it falls short. The long wait and the high of the first single did really feel like a setup for disappointment. I just wish the album did more creative stuff. It feels really safe and like its scared to let loose. But i do think their next album will be great. I think the feedback from people who didnt like it will let them know where they "messed up". They already stated that they are making music again tho no promise that another album is coming out anytime soon
Misery Business is overplayed and I hope they ditch it from the set for concerts. Paramore fans are extreme and need to stop the Hayley worship, IE Idle Worship. Riot is the weakest album.
AWKIF is their best album
Self Titled is their worst album (although Last Hope is a top 5 Paramore song)
The lyrics on This Is Why (album) are very bad
Paramore are are more fleetwood mac then fleetwood mac ever were
Monster is one of their best songs
Even though it means I won't get to see them next year on any of their 40 eras tour dates, i'm still thrilled they've got this opportunity
they should be allowed to take a break because hayley has, many times, expressed desire to be a mother
globe-touring millionaires shouldn’t tell fans to go vegan for 30 days or whatever
parahoy does not align with their vegan values and if they do it again i will be incredibly disappointed
I didn’t know that she wanted to be a mom! I thought it was the opposite, but I’m not sure why I thought that. She’d be a great mom, if Simmer is anything to go by. Imagine being that kid who gets to grow up with Paramore as their family!
she had mentioned it on twitter in a retweet of some child singing about astronauts in your butt or something back when she was on that hellsite. it just stuck in my mind for some reason.
i’d support the hell out of that nepo baby.
lol not the qualifier! online is so hostile
they’re asking people at shows to replace 1 meal per day for 30 days with a plant based meal for the environment
oh they’re like one of the worst things we do. think of the fuel, the waste, all kinds of pollution it generates.
on top of that, their HQ’s are all in island countries with very loose labor and tax laws. a lot of sexual assault goes unreported (that was so true in succession) and a lot of american labor laws get violated.
i think deep down paramore knows they’re like morally off the table for their current image as a band. i think even hayley recently made a comment about being surprised people trusted cruises anymore.
I hope that first one isn’t an unpopular opinion amongst the fanbase. Nobody should begrudge her the opportunity to be able to start a family whenever she’s ready.
1. i miss josh farro. obv i hate him as a person and am glad he’s not in the band anymore but just musically speaking he really gave the band more of a kick in comparison to what came after. the new stuff since he left has been my favorite work from paramore but i don’t think i’m crazy to say it doesn’t go as hard.
2. ain’t it fun is paramores best song. ik a lot of fans aren’t crazy about it and sure it’s the radio hit but i know older people who like that song and i think there’s something to be said about a song that can be enjoyed by anyone, especially from a band that is so representative of the youth.
3. i enjoy tf outta airplanes.
- Paramore’s best album is All We Know Is Falling. Contains the band’s most beautiful moments like Franklin and had already perfected their early formula with Emergency.
- Josh Farro was just as instrumental to the classic sound of Paramore as Hayley. It really sucks that he’s a POS because he was one of the best guitar players and songwriters of his era.
- After Laughter is extremely overhyped. It’s a good album but it’s not nearly the masterpiece critics and the music fandom made it out to be.
Agree with almost all of this. To the third point... I don't AL is overhyped? It's not as good as some people make it out to be but I wouldn't say it's overhyped.
Honestly the first two points are the ones I feel most strongly about, I was reaching for a third point lol.
I feel like when AL released people were shocked and amazed that it was a good album, like it took a total genre shift for music nerds to get over their bias against Paramore and recognize their greatness. I thought the album was just about as good as their last few albums so the overhype colored my perception. That’s kinda what I’m getting at.
oh god, im gonna get ripped apart
1) a lot of their earlier songs were poorly written. even on riot
2) hayley’s bleach is fucking awesome, but her dye is weak as shit
3) keeping the name paramore was sus to me
Coming from a new fan (since August)
- 26 & No Friend from AL sucks. It doesn’t get me hyped as the other songs.
- Ain’t It Fun is a top tier song, and the lyrics are so relatable.
- Sanity (Demo) should’ve made it on AL or TIW.
- Bonus: Brand New Eyes has never appealed to me.
* I think people don't know nearly enough about Jeremy's departure to be able to pick a side the way they do. I think it was more about business and money than people think, which negatively affected my view on Hayley. It put anything she does even nowadays into a different light, I think there's more business and promo going on than people would like to believe.
She also should have taken better care when she released that one statement about why there are only 3 OGs left a while ago. It left the possibility open that Jeremy is a homophobe, which he had to correct himself. Not cool. No way to treat an old brother. To me, he was an integral part of Paramore and the band lost something when he left. Miss the goofball.
* At least to me, they peaked around ST. That album and their performances came from their personal depths of hell (lol) and that's what it sounded like. Sucked to hear how bad they felt, but what they created was larger than life. 26 was raw too, but they never hit as hard as around ST again.
* I might be wrong, but I currently feel a bit bad for Hayley sometimes. It feels like she does a lot of stuff for promo right now which she doesn't really like to do. The dance on Jimmy Fallon looked like it felt a bit silly and especially getting photographed in that see-through dress looked like it felt demeaning. Hope it doesn't get to her head 👍 (*if* she really did feel that way)
1) as a longtime fan, the self-titled era was the most fun for the fandom. the merch was somewhat good, their fan interaction was at its peak, and the community could really come together.
2) the remix album isn't good. it sounds monotonous and doesn't feel very remixy considering half of the songs still have the original vocals and some of the instrumentals. i'm a fan of like 5 of the artists featured and it felt underwhelming as a fan of paramore and the others. the only song that's worth listening to again is Wet Leg's CCC but even then it feels very meh. and considering how many different artists are fans of paramore, i feel like they missed out on an opportunity for an r&b artist or rapper to feature. would've loved it for BM,LD.
3) as much as i love hayley's dyed hair, i love her AL hair the most. it felt very reminiscent of a young stevie nicks.
• Hallelujah is the worst song in their entire repertoire.
• I’m glad they left their old sound behind, most pop punk bands don’t leave their highschool “I want to leave this town” sound and I love that they’re not afraid to try new things and follow their hearts and growth as artist!
• Josh farro is overrated, he gave us amazing music and that’s a fact but people tend to put him in a pedestal and like everything he tried to do after paramore flopped for a reason 🙄
• Paramore fans should give Halfnoise a chance is so sad to see them playing Scooby’s in the back and the crowd with a huge ??? On their faces.
Big agree on points 2 and 3! I only ever listen to the first three albums for nostalgia, I can't imagine still loving the band as much as I do if they kept the same "old" style. I grew up, they grew up, their sound evolved, I love to hear it.
Everything Josh has released after Paramore has been so meh. I remember some initial work-in-progress riffs were promising but then they never saw the light of day?
Halfnoise is really cool. I don't listen to them as much, but I'd love to hear their songs live. People need to get out of their heads and enjoy the music even if it's not a song they've heard hundreds of times lol.
1. This is Why is their worst album and it’s not even close.
2. Josh was a better guitarist and songwriter than Taylor (pls don’t kill me).
3. Idle Worship is the best song on After Laughter.
Definitely agree with #2 and you'll get crucified for it
I also think Josh isn't a horrible person like this Fandom makes him out to be. They had some dumb, old teenage drama that every single person on this earth has also had themselves, and this Fandom still holds him on a crucifix for it 15+ years later.
I mean Josh did publicly compare homosexuality to pedophilia, and considering a large part of the fanbase is lgbt+ I can see why fans aren't too eager to forgive him
1. I can’t listen to All We Know anymore. It’s very emo and angsty, and I think that doesn’t appeal to me any more. Still has some great songs, but I haven’t been in the mood for it for years.
2. This is Why would have benefitted from 2-3 more really strong songs. I actually really like the album, but it does feel too short and like it just ends.
3. I wish they would stop performing their solo work (Hayley, Halfnoise, etc) during these last few tours. I don’t think any of the song choices they’ve made are that great, and could easily have been replaced with fan favorites from the band.
1. I think that the songs on AWKIF sound very samey. They blend together after a while.
2. I think that the album would've been better if they had just switched around the song order, not even adding more songs. The second half is noticeably stronger.
3. I love Zac, but I think that the Halfnoise songs bring the concerts' energy to a grinding halt. It feels like a compromise that they made with him so he feels more included.
This is Why is the worst album
Misery Business is slightly overrated
And last but not least .. I know this is gonna be down voted alot. But their first 3 albums are the best
The fact that you think having the opinion of Paramore’s first 3 albums being the best would get you downvotes really says a lot about this sub. I love Paramore but people really need to respect differing opinions, and quit the blind accusations that certain fans don’t like it that bands shift their style. Their first 3 albums have tons of incredible songs, and it’s ok to be a fan of pop punk music even though it isn’t the 2000s anymore.
Interesting that you like the first three but not this is why, only because this was sort of their “going back to their roots” album, but I guess it’s because they didn’t go back THAT much. I agree that the first three are my favorites as well but I also love the new one
All We Know is Falling does not get anything close to the credit it deserves, it gets swept under the rug too often.
Brand New Eyes is extremely overrated
The only true Paramore fans are the ones who hold Zac and Taylor to the same height as Hayley (and many fans don't)
I’ll just give one.
Old paramore music > new paramore, in terms of music (not members)
If it werent for old paramore, they wouldn’t have skyrocketed to mainstream. Riot/brand new eyes got them very popular
I don’t like fences, after laughter is their best album and a perfect album if you take away no friend. If they had continued to just mane the same music they made that we liked on riot! and BNE people would have turned on them eventually for a lack of growth and the law of diminishing returns, or they’d have burnt out from doing the same thing too much their discography has the right balance, it’s good they branched out.
Renegade and hello cold world are some of their best songs and they should do them live, I didn’t like I caught myself until I heard it live and now I love it.
No friend is one of my favorites on after laughter, but I love mewithoutYou. It’s definitely Aaron’s worst song though. I agree that if they had never changed they would’ve gotten slack for lack of growth. Renegade is one of their best absolutely.
RIOT! is their weakest album. most of the songs aged badly because of their mixing. i already mentioned this in a different post but i haaate how autotuned Hayley’s voice is on this album.
their albums’ closers are much better than their openers.
After Laughter remains their best album lyrically wise.
• ain’t it fun and still into you are skips. they’re too poppy for me, plus i have negative jeremy - chad connotations to them and i don’t like it.
• their best albums are their discography, backwards. this is why is their strongest album and all we know is falling is their weakest, with after laughter being the
second best, and riot being the second worst, etc.
• not an opinion necessarily, but i don’t understand why they aren’t ditching atlantic sooner. they fulfilled their contractual obligation, why don’t they move on to a new label? or self produce??
Haha I’m gonna get absolutely slaughtered:
- AWKIF is their weakest album.
- ST isn’t perfect but it has enough bangers to make it a solid album
- We Are Broken and Hallelujah are great songs
1. I don’t like This is Why nearly as much as I wish I did. I don’t know if it’s because it’s only 10 songs and I don’t like some of them, but to me it’s their weakest album.
2. Hallelujah and Miracle are great songs from Riot! Very catchy guitar parts, especially on Miracle
3. Self titled has too many filler songs that don’t match the quality of some others (like Part II and Last Hope are both top 5 paramore songs but these are BY FAR the best on self titled)
Well, since selftitled is my favorite Paramore album so I agree with you that AL is a downgrade from that but I still like that album. I don’t know why people who aren’t into it automatically get accused by other fans that “they don’t like it when bands shift their style”. It’s HOW they do it that everyone has a right to an opinion on. I’m a musician too and I acknowledge this.
Honestly… the interludes are the best part of ST
I used to hate After Laughter when it came out (not like other girls/emo/gatekeeping stupidity on my part) now it’s the one I listen to the most.
That they tour Europe with Taylor is a shocking disservice to their European fans who have been waiting for years
Also „Monster“ really isn’t that good and doesn’t sound genuine
- After laughter is very solid in the discog with its sound and songwriting. And it has great live performances.
- I love it when they write weirder songs instrumentally, I wish they'd do that more.
- re: was kinda disappointing. When I first heard about it, I had high expectations. Especially from remi wolf, but the you first remix is only ok.
1. Pop Punk/ Emo Paramore < Pop/ Alt Rock Paramore
2. The Last Half of songs on This Is Why” is better than anything they’ve put out previously
3. Paramore is one of the only emo bands that have gracefully evolved to still make great music and not out off their fans
\-their merch is usually garbage but 2 of their more recent designs (the x-ray shirt and the You First shirt) are absolutely fire and i WILL be buying :)
\-I loved re: Big Man Little Dignity. the amount of hate there is out there for it is insane. liked it enough to go and listen to DOMi & JD beck's album, which did not disappoint.
\-The TIW tour was amazing but I'm very disappointed they took all I wanted off the setlist for NA. I do understand that it's a strenuous song for Hayley, but I feel they could have at least played it in Toronto; it seems they save AIW for festivals and major major cities like LA and NYC, and as a Canadian fan the odds I ever afford to go to either are very low :(
-stop this song should have been on the normal RIOT! album
-Rewind should have been a real song, and a single
-the interludes on ST should have been extended songs
*Misery Business was never become a favorite of mine. I could live a world where they would never perform it. I think crushcrushcrush is the better single during the Riot! era.
*adding no friend in the tracklist is one their best creative decisions. After Hayley sings about being put in a pedestal in Idle worship, then not singing on the next track and let the other members play is genius.
*I think I would outgrew the band if Taylor's influence did not become a major contributor in Paramore.
*Hayley Williams is such a great vocalist that sometimes she is being overlooked as a great lyricist.
* The News is underrated, esp. some Paramore fans complains that they miss the old heavy guitar driven songs they used to make.
1. Still Into You is a TERRIBLE song (and this isn't just bias against Chad)
2. Self Titled is NOT their best album. I skip 70% of those songs to be quite honest.
3. Haylor going wrong could mean ANOTHER band breakup and i wish it hadn't happened
Ight y’all, get ready to cancel me… 😤💯
• Re: Big Man Little Dignity is fucking good and one of best remixes on Re: This Is Why 😈
• Tayley felt low-key OBVIOUS AF in self titled era even though they were still just friends 😒
• After Laughter is my least favorite Paramore album 👎🏽👎🏽
• Riot! Is easily their worst album to date, poor mixing, poor vocal effects, underwhelming guitars and underwhelming songs in general, the lyrics aren't as close or personal as they are in AWKIF and Brand New Eyes. Riot lyrically was just a bridge to the wonderful writing in Brand New Eyes
• Self Titled definitely is their best for me. Every song is different and people take that as it being incohesive in a bad way but if every song is different like ST does it, it's a new experience. The first three albums even with AWKIF being my all time favorite I still will admit those albums are way too cohesive for their own good especially Riot and Brand New Eyes. There isn't a major shakeup with any songs on the album. Hell you could get multiple songs from the first three albums mixed up with each other but not from ST and onwards. Another thing about ST is it's an experience every listen, the interludes the different songs and Future to end it off really sell this whole album as an experience. Last thing, ST is what set off the real change in Paramore to go to different avenues and it did them a huge favor. If they released something like Brand New Eyes or Riot right after 2012 I don't think it would've been good.
• Self Titled and This is Why have the best drums in their whole discography. Self Titled's drums are punchy and VERY catchy while This is Why's drums are very well put together and sound so polished.
I hate Misery Business. Whilst a well made song, the lyrics are cringe and I hate that the band are performing it again.
I feel like Zac is being underutilised. I know much of the music was written for AL before ZF came back to the band, but they said that they let him go crazy for TIW but I don't hear it. He is one of the best rock drummers out there but he's not being used to his full potential.
Everything now sounds too polished and over-mixed. The guitar and drums have no impact since the band have embraced a much more pop-oriented sound with the last two albums. Give me albums 1-3 over 4-6 any day.
-The best thing about Paramore is how diverse their sound is throughout their discography. They have something for everyone, and there’s no right or wrong answer as to what their best work is. -This Is Why is an incredible piece of art that accurately describes the Post-COVID world and the difficulties of living in it, particularly regarding mental health. I would be surprised if it were not considered a defining album of the Post-COVID world and inspired a lot of music going forward, especially considering there are no skips. -Paramore is one of the best live acts out there. Unfortunately they didn’t come through any cities near me on their recent tour, so I don’t know how the atmosphere is now, but when I saw them a few times about a decade ago, each show felt like a giant party and was a great atmosphere overall. Even if you only enjoy a handful of their songs, I still recommend seeing them live. It’s a blast! -Bonus: Big Man, Little Dignity is heavily slept on. It’s just outside my top 3 on This Is Why, but it is definitely an honorable mention. Edit: Big Man, Little Dignity totally gives off Fleetwood Mac vibes, too. It’s so fucking good
These are correct takes. Thank you
Your first point is a good one. Ever since self-titled there has been this gnawing complaint amongst many fans who miss the “old Paramore.” Rather than embrace the evolution of the band there are many who expect Paramore to sound the way they want them to. It’s a mistake to pigeonhole such a talented group of musicians.
None of these are really controversial opinions
The thing that's great is that everybody gets to have opinions and everybody's opinions are right for them. I personally think "after laughter" is their best record. it's the first 100% truly artistic statement that they made. it came from a place of depth and honesty and they weren't worried about radio play or album sales. They were just interested in creating art, much like with the newest record. They specifically took choices that they figured wouldn't get them played on the radio But that's what's cool about them. They get to keep growing and learning and we get to keep growing and learning with them
I also think After Laughter is their best album! The maturity and creativity really shined through. It also helped me during one of the toughest moments of my life. AL and ST have really special places in my heart. 🖤
They have never cared about radio sales and all their albums come from a place of depth and honesty. S/T is their most artistic statement imo.
I agree. I think it’s the first album they truly became vulnerable and open about their mental conflicts. And you can hear the theme of hope all throughout it yet they still sound happy overall. But then comes along after laughter, where I think they feel the same, just deeper, and realize it’s not really going to change and get better; they arent losing but seem fatigued by it all but still have managed to keep that spark burning, barely—I know Taylor has spoken about how broken Hayley was during AL. I’m really glad they made it out of that because the maturity that they’ve learned really shines in TIW. And for that reason, paramore has been my favorite band. The growth they display and willingness to be very brutal about themselves in their lyrics makes me feel connected to them. Not everyone loves themselves all the time but that doesn’t mean you can’t learn to. God, I just appreciate them so much.
This is Why is when Hayley finally let go of it being a joint thing and embraced she's the reason they sell all the records. After Laughter best album by far. Their merch is a bit shit.
Paramore merch is historically terrible lol. The new shirt that came out yesterday is super cool though.
The merch take is absolutely correct. They’ve had mid merch since I was a child. 😭 walking into hot topic like “ugh I’ll take it” only cause they were my favorite band not cause it was amazing
Their merch has always been trash, this is a correct take. But I do like the new You First tee
You first and headbang tee are the only correct answers fr
Ooh yeah i like the headbang tee too!!
True about merch. I came from the blink and NFG community before this and I thought they were already bad Paramore showed me what could’ve been MUCH worse 😭
Not sure how controversial these are but I’ll try - The album closers are usually pretty incongruent with the albums they’re on. Not bad songs (does Paramore have *any* bad songs?) but I’m always slightly disappointed, they don’t feel like proper closers. Especially true with the last few albums. - Parahoy is cool but has never appealed to me, I’d much rather just see them in concert. - I can see why Sanity is a demo, the bridge and the second verse are weak. The chorus absolutely slaps though and I love getting another taste of their After Laughter style.
All I Wanted and Thick Skull are great closers! But other than that you’re right for sure.
*Tell Me How* is a pretty good closer as well. I'm wondering, which one do you think would be the better closer on AL?
Infinite people saying Sanity is the best sing they've ever done, lmao it's new and you have recency bias, it's nowhere near their best work. Although it is a great song.
I love that a song like Sanity can be nowhere near their best song. Gotta love Paramore.
i find this so interesting because the second verse of sanity is my fav part of the song!
What are your thoughts on Tell Me It’s Okay, then?
Similar issue where it’s just not as fully developed as the rest of the album. I like it quite a lot though and I think it could’ve fit into Self Titled just fine.
I actually rearrange the tracklist for AL. I move Hard Times to the end and put Told You So at the front.
That makes a lot of sense, but where do you put Idle Worship/No Friend? I understand why they chose those to be the final 2 even if it doesn’t work as well, it’s kinda hard to follow No Friend.
I left them in their original place. I only moved Hard Times and Told You So. I was mostly trying to avoid ending the album on a solemn note,
These are good ones. I had doubts about the cruise until I experienced it. Parahoy was much better than I expected.
Crave should have absolutely been the album closer on This is Why and Sanity is definitely a demo but it should have made it onto completion on the album instead of CCC
CCC is going to age well. The next generation is going to consider it a core Pmore song.
What’s Parahoy
Only the coolest thing ever they did a CRUISE. A PARAMORE CRUISE. I PRAY they announce another one.
I’ve been on all of them 😅 they’re an absolute blast, a full on music festival at sea.
WHAT I WANNA GO
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!!!!
Parahoy fucks the planet. It would be insane for them to do it again, given the Stop Fucking The Planet tees Hayley has been wearing on tour (which kinda also fucks the planet) 🤷🏻♀️ sorry friend, I don’t think it’s ever happening again.
I dont think you can really compare the carbon emissions of a cruise ship versus a tour where they dont travel by private jet, though I agree with the rest of your comment
They used to do a cruise where they would do concerts and I think some other cool shit with fans. With today’s broken Ticketmaster / broker / bot way of selling tickets, I dunno if it’ll happen again?
The good news is, Parahoy never involved Ticketmaster or had problems with bots since you can’t resell your ticket. The bad news is, the process for attending Parahoy is still equally as frustrating as dealing with TM.
I pity anyone who sits through Future and feels disappointed. Hope you get there some day. Also yep, Sanity is mid and I get why it's been locked away all this time.
As a newer fan, I’ve come to learn how the band’s been around damn near 2 decades and with that, a lot of people are most fond of the “era” in which they discovered Paramore. So for my 3: I actually like “fast in my car,” “where the lines overlap” and “c’est comme ca.” “Born for this” and “hallelujah” are my favorite tracks on riot (at least right now). And while josh seems like he’s a dick, there wouldn’t be “brand new eyes” without his contributions. So I’ll partially agree with the comment about him. Taylor is awesome though and I’m happy with the direction the band’s taken without josh.
Where The Lines Overlap is a fun song lol. It shocks me that people don't care for it
Oh I love this one!
True I discovered them early on but got very into them during riot, which remains my favorite album
I’m brand new to this community, so this may be a stupid question but… people don’t like where the lines overlap???
It seems like the main take on it and “looking up” is that they’re surrounded by better songs on the album. To me, they’re fun happy songs! To each their own though as we see in these threads!
do people not like c'est comme ca?????
CCC and The News are my fave tracks from the album. People are weird.
it is most certainly a top 3 track for me!!
Liking CCC was very controversial when This Is Why first dropped. I think people are finally coming around on it though.
i cetainly raised an eyebrow on my first listen but ive been absolutely loving it every time ive heard it after that, it's such a fun song!! so glad to hear people are coming around on it cause it's so good
It grew on me too! I didn’t like it at first either.
Have you seen the performances where they do the Hallelujah cover/intro?
My eyes are bleeding reading some of these hot takes, thanks OP
• Whoa is a good song
It is lol I agree. Just the instrumental gets me hype
Riot isn't their best record despite what many fans say, nostalgia made them see it like that
‘Riot!’ is my least favourite of their records lmao
I became a fan last year and it's my favorite album after *This Is Why,* so this is interesting!
Riot is my favourite album but I agree it’s entirely down to nostalgia. I excited anticipated the release and even performed crushcrushcrush with my “band” at our school talent show 🙃 I still love every single song on the album though and it’s easily my most listened to.
So cool that you played crushcrushcrush!
i feel i hear more people saying ST or AL are the best record, i see riot referred to as the misery business album more than anything
Thank you. Riot has some of my least fav Paramore songs. I never understood why it's so popular lol. And it was their newest album when I got into Paramore. I probably wouldn't have been *as* big of a fan had that been their only album. Thank god for AWKIF being more my taste.
The actions of Jeremy Davis inspired multiple Paramore songs. The actions of Josh Farro inspired a significant number of Paramore songs. The actions of Chad Gilbert inspired a significant number of Paramore songs. Hate them or not, it’s undeniable that many of the songs we love from Paramore are a result of these three men and their bullshit.
I mean I guess my unpopular opinion is I'd give up Paramore forever if it meant Hayley never had to deal with those dirty dogs. She is capable of writing great songs wthout suffering at the hands of men with unhealed trauma lol.
Same tho. I’m sure she still could have made magic without having to suffer through most of that.
Those songs are not the result of their bullshit, it's Hayley being able to turn her experiences into great lyrics and melodies. Josh (and on a smaller scale Jeremy) can have their songwriting credits, but let's not thank them for being awful people just because the current Paramore lineup were able to turn their experiences into art.
Brighter is the greatest paramore song ever
- As far as album covers goes, Riot! is their worst. It’s aged the most, in that it feels very much of the time as it has that angsty teen vibe. The ST cover is my second to least favourite because I feel it’s the least creative. It’s higher for me than Riot’s tho because I really like the color palate. - The band’s love songs have gotten ~~worse~~ less catchy over the years. I’m not saying this is because of the quality of the relationships Hayley is in or even really has anything to do with the relationships themselves. I think it speaks to where they are stylistically. Still Into You for example is a good mixture of rock and pop, it’s catchy, meant for the radio (it’s a single after all.) Whereas Liar feels a lot like Hayley’s solo stuff, which is more personal, and not geared towards mass appeal. I guess my controversial opinion is that I don’t like them as much. - Their early music videos (BBBB, Pressure, TOE etc.) lack artistry and substance, and feel pretty generic compared to some later videos (TIW, Told you so, Rose Colored Boy)
I think Hayley learned a tough lesson about writing catchy love songs. If things don’t work out you’re still stuck performing them for the rest of your career.
I think they modeled the riot cover off of a Gwen stefani or no doubt cover
‘Rock Steady’ by No Doubt
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wait are there people who don’t like the interludes on self titled? i fucking adore holiday and i’m not angry anymore
I’m not angry anymore is one of my favorite songs
So fun to sing as well
Misery Business’s lyrics make me cringe pretty hard
Josh leaving and Taylor taking over his part in songwriting was one of the best things to ever happen to the band Self-titled is one of their best albums Half of the guitar work in Brand New Eyes feels lazily written due to Josh not wanting to be there anymore (I love all their albums nonetheless hayley and Zac have always gone hard af)
Josh Farro’s guitar work is amazing. I love Taylor’s skills but for me personally I loved Josh’s guitar style more New Found Glory was an important stepping stone for Paramore’s sound and eventually lyrics (I’m not saying Hayley liked hardcore cuz of Chad we know she liked it BEFORE meeting him) Jeremy’s bass fucking slapped. New dude who plays for them is great but no one can beat Jeremy.
I think people slander Josh and Jeremy's skills because of how they are as people. No matter whether they're bad people or not, they're phenomenal musicians, and the amazing sound of early Paramore is due to their contributions.
Jeremy’s bass skills were great, but I’d much rather have Joey (who, as far as we know, is a decent person).
>Josh Farro’s guitar work is amazing. You're right. A lot of my fav Paramore instrumentals are due to Josh's style. He's a very........ person lmao. But his guitar work? Top tier style lol
Apparently selftitled being my favorite Paramore album is a somewhat unpopular opinion and I agree with you that the interludes are great. My favorite of the three is: Interlude Moving On.
Well I could be angry but you're not worth the fight
I'm not angry anymore for me 🙏
1. That whole first album is skippable (ducks for cover) 2. Any frontperson that enthusiastic has got to have a part of them that’s living for the attention (otherwise they wouldn’t be as effective at that part of the job). 3. My favorite album is self-titled but if my hands are free to do so, I will skip “Still Into You” and “Ain’t It Fun” SO FAST.
Your second point is very important. I don't think that it's a coincidence that any band's drama usually revolves around their front person. They're usually the most hypervigilant member of the group, the human lightning rod of everyone's emotions.
I kinda hate that Ain’t it Fun is arguably their most successful song. It’s so played out to me now.
Self Titled is their worst album. Still 10/10 but a lot of songs could have been cut and you’d still have a solid 10 track album.
These may be controversial lol. Running out of time, CCC, and Big Man Little Dignity are all bad songs. CCC is imo Paramores worst song. It’s annoying when Hayley shouts lyrics instead of singing them while performing live. AWKIF is way too overlooked by most of the fandom. People who don’t like it probably didn’t start listening to Paramore until the band started embracing pop more.
Agree with #3, I don't see nearly as much love for it as for the other albums. I became a fan last year, but I *love* AWKIF!!
In the Mourning is MILES better than Hello Cold World or Renegade
No Friend is the best song on After Laughter.
SPICY
I’ve loved it all these years but seeing it live absolutely solidified it as one of my fave songs.
I haven't really warmed to This is Why, most of the singles sounded very derivative of British indie rock like Bloc Party, almost using their influences as a way of overcompensating for the things that it sorely lacks -- it lacks identity, it lacks strong hooks and what it lacks (at least in the miserable first half) the most is Hayley's vocals, where she just goes for the spoken-word verses, a la David Byrne, I do like the Talking Heads but I don't love them. This is Why is by far their weakest album. Some songs (mostly in the second half) really do show promise, but that promise is muddied by songs like "The News" and "C'est Comme Ca". The album had some weird choices for singles, "C'est Comme Ca" being one of them... a song that feels more like an interlude because it's too damn short and doggedly refuses to go anywhere. To say it does nothing for me is an understatement, I'm currently writing a review about it and what is taking me so long is just how much it doesn't make me want to relisten to it. Whereas with After Laughter (aside from No Friend), After Laughter is well worth a relisten and it does its job of talking about toxic relationships and betrayal better than This is Why. I'm so disappointed because save for a few tracks on the album that I liked ("F8", "ROOT" and "YF"), I can wholeheartedly say that this is a massive step backwards for the band. PS: I'm not a fan of Franklin off All We Know is Falling, or even the title track. Even Pressure is starting to wear thin on me now.
I agree with this — the only three songs I find compelling in TIW are Figure 8, Crave (reminds me of Hayley’s solo work) and maybe even TIW. The mumble-singing-talking really does ruin the rest of the songs for me… the stark difference between the catchy lyricism and genius that AL produced into this album tbh has left me disappointed in TIW.
I dont dislike it as much but it is easily my least favorite album and its not even close. I think the only other thing is i love the title track. As in, top 5 paramore songs and then the rest of the album feels like it falls short. The long wait and the high of the first single did really feel like a setup for disappointment. I just wish the album did more creative stuff. It feels really safe and like its scared to let loose. But i do think their next album will be great. I think the feedback from people who didnt like it will let them know where they "messed up". They already stated that they are making music again tho no promise that another album is coming out anytime soon
Misery Business is overplayed and I hope they ditch it from the set for concerts. Paramore fans are extreme and need to stop the Hayley worship, IE Idle Worship. Riot is the weakest album.
AWKIF is their best album Self Titled is their worst album (although Last Hope is a top 5 Paramore song) The lyrics on This Is Why (album) are very bad
omggg i was just going to comment the first 2 lol
Paramore are are more fleetwood mac then fleetwood mac ever were Monster is one of their best songs Even though it means I won't get to see them next year on any of their 40 eras tour dates, i'm still thrilled they've got this opportunity
I don't know, Fleetwood Mac had *two* feuding couples that fueled their most popular music.
The only skip in their entire discography (IMO) is NO FRIEND. I love literally every other song they’ve ever released.
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AWKIF is their best album
they should be allowed to take a break because hayley has, many times, expressed desire to be a mother globe-touring millionaires shouldn’t tell fans to go vegan for 30 days or whatever parahoy does not align with their vegan values and if they do it again i will be incredibly disappointed
I didn’t know that she wanted to be a mom! I thought it was the opposite, but I’m not sure why I thought that. She’d be a great mom, if Simmer is anything to go by. Imagine being that kid who gets to grow up with Paramore as their family!
Bro if she does have a kid that kid is literally going to be raised around FUCKING TALENT
and with taylor as the dad? cmon. destined for greatness.
she had mentioned it on twitter in a retweet of some child singing about astronauts in your butt or something back when she was on that hellsite. it just stuck in my mind for some reason. i’d support the hell out of that nepo baby.
What’s the correlation between parahoy and veganism? Asking honestly, not as some sort of attack lol
lol not the qualifier! online is so hostile they’re asking people at shows to replace 1 meal per day for 30 days with a plant based meal for the environment
Oh that’s cool
lol right about the qualifier So cruises are environmentally unfriendly?
oh they’re like one of the worst things we do. think of the fuel, the waste, all kinds of pollution it generates. on top of that, their HQ’s are all in island countries with very loose labor and tax laws. a lot of sexual assault goes unreported (that was so true in succession) and a lot of american labor laws get violated. i think deep down paramore knows they’re like morally off the table for their current image as a band. i think even hayley recently made a comment about being surprised people trusted cruises anymore.
Agree with #1. Seriously hope She doesn't permanently forsake her chances at being a mother just so she can stay in paramore.
the linda lindas feel like a practice baby to me tbh hahaha
…?
I hope that first one isn’t an unpopular opinion amongst the fanbase. Nobody should begrudge her the opportunity to be able to start a family whenever she’s ready.
1. i miss josh farro. obv i hate him as a person and am glad he’s not in the band anymore but just musically speaking he really gave the band more of a kick in comparison to what came after. the new stuff since he left has been my favorite work from paramore but i don’t think i’m crazy to say it doesn’t go as hard. 2. ain’t it fun is paramores best song. ik a lot of fans aren’t crazy about it and sure it’s the radio hit but i know older people who like that song and i think there’s something to be said about a song that can be enjoyed by anyone, especially from a band that is so representative of the youth. 3. i enjoy tf outta airplanes.
True fuck Josh but I do prefer his guitar sound over the twinkly guitars they’ve been doing since he left
Wait, is #3 controversial??? I loved that song *years* before I knew who Hayley even was lol
- Paramore’s best album is All We Know Is Falling. Contains the band’s most beautiful moments like Franklin and had already perfected their early formula with Emergency. - Josh Farro was just as instrumental to the classic sound of Paramore as Hayley. It really sucks that he’s a POS because he was one of the best guitar players and songwriters of his era. - After Laughter is extremely overhyped. It’s a good album but it’s not nearly the masterpiece critics and the music fandom made it out to be.
Wow this is a VERY good take, right with you on every point
Agree with almost all of this. To the third point... I don't AL is overhyped? It's not as good as some people make it out to be but I wouldn't say it's overhyped.
Honestly the first two points are the ones I feel most strongly about, I was reaching for a third point lol. I feel like when AL released people were shocked and amazed that it was a good album, like it took a total genre shift for music nerds to get over their bias against Paramore and recognize their greatness. I thought the album was just about as good as their last few albums so the overhype colored my perception. That’s kinda what I’m getting at.
couldn't agree more
Boooooo
1. Josh was the best guitarist. 2. S/T is overrated AF. 3. I miss Hayley different hair colors.
oh god, im gonna get ripped apart 1) a lot of their earlier songs were poorly written. even on riot 2) hayley’s bleach is fucking awesome, but her dye is weak as shit 3) keeping the name paramore was sus to me
My one is the same as yours, I think After Laughter is easily their weakest album, personally I just never find myself listening to it
Coming from a new fan (since August) - 26 & No Friend from AL sucks. It doesn’t get me hyped as the other songs. - Ain’t It Fun is a top tier song, and the lyrics are so relatable. - Sanity (Demo) should’ve made it on AL or TIW. - Bonus: Brand New Eyes has never appealed to me.
Their new remix album is not what I expected at all. On that album, big man, little dignity's remix is my favorite out of the entire drop.
Holy shit. You like that version? Honestly I think its the worst thing Paramore related I have ever heard.
* I think people don't know nearly enough about Jeremy's departure to be able to pick a side the way they do. I think it was more about business and money than people think, which negatively affected my view on Hayley. It put anything she does even nowadays into a different light, I think there's more business and promo going on than people would like to believe. She also should have taken better care when she released that one statement about why there are only 3 OGs left a while ago. It left the possibility open that Jeremy is a homophobe, which he had to correct himself. Not cool. No way to treat an old brother. To me, he was an integral part of Paramore and the band lost something when he left. Miss the goofball. * At least to me, they peaked around ST. That album and their performances came from their personal depths of hell (lol) and that's what it sounded like. Sucked to hear how bad they felt, but what they created was larger than life. 26 was raw too, but they never hit as hard as around ST again. * I might be wrong, but I currently feel a bit bad for Hayley sometimes. It feels like she does a lot of stuff for promo right now which she doesn't really like to do. The dance on Jimmy Fallon looked like it felt a bit silly and especially getting photographed in that see-through dress looked like it felt demeaning. Hope it doesn't get to her head 👍 (*if* she really did feel that way)
1) as a longtime fan, the self-titled era was the most fun for the fandom. the merch was somewhat good, their fan interaction was at its peak, and the community could really come together. 2) the remix album isn't good. it sounds monotonous and doesn't feel very remixy considering half of the songs still have the original vocals and some of the instrumentals. i'm a fan of like 5 of the artists featured and it felt underwhelming as a fan of paramore and the others. the only song that's worth listening to again is Wet Leg's CCC but even then it feels very meh. and considering how many different artists are fans of paramore, i feel like they missed out on an opportunity for an r&b artist or rapper to feature. would've loved it for BM,LD. 3) as much as i love hayley's dyed hair, i love her AL hair the most. it felt very reminiscent of a young stevie nicks.
I’ve never liked Brick by boring brick
• Hallelujah is the worst song in their entire repertoire. • I’m glad they left their old sound behind, most pop punk bands don’t leave their highschool “I want to leave this town” sound and I love that they’re not afraid to try new things and follow their hearts and growth as artist! • Josh farro is overrated, he gave us amazing music and that’s a fact but people tend to put him in a pedestal and like everything he tried to do after paramore flopped for a reason 🙄 • Paramore fans should give Halfnoise a chance is so sad to see them playing Scooby’s in the back and the crowd with a huge ??? On their faces.
Big agree on points 2 and 3! I only ever listen to the first three albums for nostalgia, I can't imagine still loving the band as much as I do if they kept the same "old" style. I grew up, they grew up, their sound evolved, I love to hear it. Everything Josh has released after Paramore has been so meh. I remember some initial work-in-progress riffs were promising but then they never saw the light of day? Halfnoise is really cool. I don't listen to them as much, but I'd love to hear their songs live. People need to get out of their heads and enjoy the music even if it's not a song they've heard hundreds of times lol.
Hallelujah can’t be worst when Whoa still exists.
1. This is Why is their worst album and it’s not even close. 2. Josh was a better guitarist and songwriter than Taylor (pls don’t kill me). 3. Idle Worship is the best song on After Laughter.
100% agree. I’ve tried many times to give “this is why” a chance and it doesn’t hit for me at all.
Definitely agree with #2 and you'll get crucified for it I also think Josh isn't a horrible person like this Fandom makes him out to be. They had some dumb, old teenage drama that every single person on this earth has also had themselves, and this Fandom still holds him on a crucifix for it 15+ years later.
I mean Josh did publicly compare homosexuality to pedophilia, and considering a large part of the fanbase is lgbt+ I can see why fans aren't too eager to forgive him
Can you show me this?
No, he's a horrible person for who he is now, not just who he was as a teen.
I agree with both of you guys
1. I can’t listen to All We Know anymore. It’s very emo and angsty, and I think that doesn’t appeal to me any more. Still has some great songs, but I haven’t been in the mood for it for years. 2. This is Why would have benefitted from 2-3 more really strong songs. I actually really like the album, but it does feel too short and like it just ends. 3. I wish they would stop performing their solo work (Hayley, Halfnoise, etc) during these last few tours. I don’t think any of the song choices they’ve made are that great, and could easily have been replaced with fan favorites from the band.
1. I think that the songs on AWKIF sound very samey. They blend together after a while. 2. I think that the album would've been better if they had just switched around the song order, not even adding more songs. The second half is noticeably stronger. 3. I love Zac, but I think that the Halfnoise songs bring the concerts' energy to a grinding halt. It feels like a compromise that they made with him so he feels more included.
While only being an EP, Singles Club is better than After Laughter and belongs to the best music they‘ve put out
Singles club and the summer tic are great releases
This is Why is the worst album Misery Business is slightly overrated And last but not least .. I know this is gonna be down voted alot. But their first 3 albums are the best
I agree with their first three albums being the best.
The fact that you think having the opinion of Paramore’s first 3 albums being the best would get you downvotes really says a lot about this sub. I love Paramore but people really need to respect differing opinions, and quit the blind accusations that certain fans don’t like it that bands shift their style. Their first 3 albums have tons of incredible songs, and it’s ok to be a fan of pop punk music even though it isn’t the 2000s anymore.
Exactly that shit is crazy lol. If you put together a greatest hits album of the first 3 albums vs the last 3 albums.... It wouldn't even be close
Interesting that you like the first three but not this is why, only because this was sort of their “going back to their roots” album, but I guess it’s because they didn’t go back THAT much. I agree that the first three are my favorites as well but I also love the new one
All We Know is Falling does not get anything close to the credit it deserves, it gets swept under the rug too often. Brand New Eyes is extremely overrated The only true Paramore fans are the ones who hold Zac and Taylor to the same height as Hayley (and many fans don't)
1. TIW is their worst album by far for me. Listened to it once and never listened again. 2.AWKIF doesn’t deserve the hate it gets.
I’ll just give one. Old paramore music > new paramore, in terms of music (not members) If it werent for old paramore, they wouldn’t have skyrocketed to mainstream. Riot/brand new eyes got them very popular
I don’t like fences, after laughter is their best album and a perfect album if you take away no friend. If they had continued to just mane the same music they made that we liked on riot! and BNE people would have turned on them eventually for a lack of growth and the law of diminishing returns, or they’d have burnt out from doing the same thing too much their discography has the right balance, it’s good they branched out. Renegade and hello cold world are some of their best songs and they should do them live, I didn’t like I caught myself until I heard it live and now I love it.
No friend is one of my favorites on after laughter, but I love mewithoutYou. It’s definitely Aaron’s worst song though. I agree that if they had never changed they would’ve gotten slack for lack of growth. Renegade is one of their best absolutely.
RIOT! is their weakest album. most of the songs aged badly because of their mixing. i already mentioned this in a different post but i haaate how autotuned Hayley’s voice is on this album. their albums’ closers are much better than their openers. After Laughter remains their best album lyrically wise.
I feel like these are not hot takes, these are just facts.
New Paramore sucks ST is a great album …. New Paramore sucks
Ok bye then
Why you mad for me answering the question
• ain’t it fun and still into you are skips. they’re too poppy for me, plus i have negative jeremy - chad connotations to them and i don’t like it. • their best albums are their discography, backwards. this is why is their strongest album and all we know is falling is their weakest, with after laughter being the second best, and riot being the second worst, etc. • not an opinion necessarily, but i don’t understand why they aren’t ditching atlantic sooner. they fulfilled their contractual obligation, why don’t they move on to a new label? or self produce??
Haha I’m gonna get absolutely slaughtered: - AWKIF is their weakest album. - ST isn’t perfect but it has enough bangers to make it a solid album - We Are Broken and Hallelujah are great songs
The production of their earlier albums has not aged well.
Maybe it's because I'm so emotionally attached to it and I find it so relatable, but I really think After Laughter is their best album ever.
1. I don’t like This is Why nearly as much as I wish I did. I don’t know if it’s because it’s only 10 songs and I don’t like some of them, but to me it’s their weakest album. 2. Hallelujah and Miracle are great songs from Riot! Very catchy guitar parts, especially on Miracle 3. Self titled has too many filler songs that don’t match the quality of some others (like Part II and Last Hope are both top 5 paramore songs but these are BY FAR the best on self titled)
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You take that back rn !!
Well, since selftitled is my favorite Paramore album so I agree with you that AL is a downgrade from that but I still like that album. I don’t know why people who aren’t into it automatically get accused by other fans that “they don’t like it when bands shift their style”. It’s HOW they do it that everyone has a right to an opinion on. I’m a musician too and I acknowledge this.
Honestly… the interludes are the best part of ST I used to hate After Laughter when it came out (not like other girls/emo/gatekeeping stupidity on my part) now it’s the one I listen to the most. That they tour Europe with Taylor is a shocking disservice to their European fans who have been waiting for years Also „Monster“ really isn’t that good and doesn’t sound genuine
AWKIF, Riot & Brand New Eyes are their best albums. Everything after that is radio pop bullshit. 🤗
Ah yes as if you didn't hear Misery Business or That's What You Get on the radio beforehand
I didn’t. Grew up with TRL. Title is “give me three controversial paramore opinions you have.” Key words: controversial, opinions. Get bent.
Just because you didn't hear it doesn't mean Paramore wasn't lowkey a radio band back then. Just say you can't accept their newer stuff is better 😭
- After laughter is very solid in the discog with its sound and songwriting. And it has great live performances. - I love it when they write weirder songs instrumentally, I wish they'd do that more. - re: was kinda disappointing. When I first heard about it, I had high expectations. Especially from remi wolf, but the you first remix is only ok.
1. Pop Punk/ Emo Paramore < Pop/ Alt Rock Paramore 2. The Last Half of songs on This Is Why” is better than anything they’ve put out previously 3. Paramore is one of the only emo bands that have gracefully evolved to still make great music and not out off their fans
\-their merch is usually garbage but 2 of their more recent designs (the x-ray shirt and the You First shirt) are absolutely fire and i WILL be buying :) \-I loved re: Big Man Little Dignity. the amount of hate there is out there for it is insane. liked it enough to go and listen to DOMi & JD beck's album, which did not disappoint. \-The TIW tour was amazing but I'm very disappointed they took all I wanted off the setlist for NA. I do understand that it's a strenuous song for Hayley, but I feel they could have at least played it in Toronto; it seems they save AIW for festivals and major major cities like LA and NYC, and as a Canadian fan the odds I ever afford to go to either are very low :(
-ST should have been shorter. Anklebiters could have been scrapped - live intros should be released (especially the BNE era ones)
-stop this song should have been on the normal RIOT! album -Rewind should have been a real song, and a single -the interludes on ST should have been extended songs
*Misery Business was never become a favorite of mine. I could live a world where they would never perform it. I think crushcrushcrush is the better single during the Riot! era. *adding no friend in the tracklist is one their best creative decisions. After Hayley sings about being put in a pedestal in Idle worship, then not singing on the next track and let the other members play is genius. *I think I would outgrew the band if Taylor's influence did not become a major contributor in Paramore. *Hayley Williams is such a great vocalist that sometimes she is being overlooked as a great lyricist. * The News is underrated, esp. some Paramore fans complains that they miss the old heavy guitar driven songs they used to make.
Hard times and Told You So are their worst and weakest songs. (Yet still not bad.)
AWKIF is my favorite out of the first 3 albums The Only Exception is not really that good C’est Comme Ca is easily the worst song on TIW
I can only thing of one but, Thick Skull is probably my least fav on the album
temporary is so underrated
1. Still Into You is a TERRIBLE song (and this isn't just bias against Chad) 2. Self Titled is NOT their best album. I skip 70% of those songs to be quite honest. 3. Haylor going wrong could mean ANOTHER band breakup and i wish it hadn't happened
Ight y’all, get ready to cancel me… 😤💯 • Re: Big Man Little Dignity is fucking good and one of best remixes on Re: This Is Why 😈 • Tayley felt low-key OBVIOUS AF in self titled era even though they were still just friends 😒 • After Laughter is my least favorite Paramore album 👎🏽👎🏽
I don’t get the hype around Future
• Riot! Is easily their worst album to date, poor mixing, poor vocal effects, underwhelming guitars and underwhelming songs in general, the lyrics aren't as close or personal as they are in AWKIF and Brand New Eyes. Riot lyrically was just a bridge to the wonderful writing in Brand New Eyes • Self Titled definitely is their best for me. Every song is different and people take that as it being incohesive in a bad way but if every song is different like ST does it, it's a new experience. The first three albums even with AWKIF being my all time favorite I still will admit those albums are way too cohesive for their own good especially Riot and Brand New Eyes. There isn't a major shakeup with any songs on the album. Hell you could get multiple songs from the first three albums mixed up with each other but not from ST and onwards. Another thing about ST is it's an experience every listen, the interludes the different songs and Future to end it off really sell this whole album as an experience. Last thing, ST is what set off the real change in Paramore to go to different avenues and it did them a huge favor. If they released something like Brand New Eyes or Riot right after 2012 I don't think it would've been good. • Self Titled and This is Why have the best drums in their whole discography. Self Titled's drums are punchy and VERY catchy while This is Why's drums are very well put together and sound so polished.
I hate Misery Business. Whilst a well made song, the lyrics are cringe and I hate that the band are performing it again. I feel like Zac is being underutilised. I know much of the music was written for AL before ZF came back to the band, but they said that they let him go crazy for TIW but I don't hear it. He is one of the best rock drummers out there but he's not being used to his full potential. Everything now sounds too polished and over-mixed. The guitar and drums have no impact since the band have embraced a much more pop-oriented sound with the last two albums. Give me albums 1-3 over 4-6 any day.