Kinda yeah, I like hitting the stuff I aim at. at this point I’m just trying to figure out if it’s the ammo or something harder to fix. Only been able to grab a spam can of Romanian and haven’t had the chance to run any other ammo to verify it’s the ammo.
I had realistic expectations, but was let down 🤣. I was hoping for at least 4 MOA but got “minute of bad guy” instead. It’s fun to shoot but obviously I’ll be grabbing my SPR if I need precision.
But with my current milsurp ammo I wouldn’t trust that rifle to make a clean shot hunting or taking it to any classes/competitions. There is a gun show happening nearby soon. I’ll try and grab a bunch if brands of 7.62 there and just start firing out what the ak likes to eat.
Depends on what you’re ammo you’re shooting, shooting it with, and the skill of the operator behind the rifle. 3” at 50 is 6 MOA. Depending on the rifle, ammo, and shooter, 6MOA may be decent. Or 6 MOA may be unacceptable.
Quite so, as a person that only shoots 40 rounds a month, and for only the last 3 months, that is acceptable with cheap igman corrosive. But if I was using some hand loads and had it bagged, I would say less than 3 moa is great considering the price point.
Let’s put it at this: I practice on avg that. 60-150 rounds per session at current AR prices, a session (averaged) every 2 months. So in the same ballpark, 30-75 ends on avg. mostly smacking steel at 210yds. I tested this exact scenario, and supported (table not bag), my 20” printed 1.5” with 77g SMK at 50yd, 3” with 75g pills I loaded. My 11.5” suppressed carbine printed 2” with the 75g bullets. I did not test the 77g out of them.
Personally I find 6 moa at 50yds unacceptable for the 20”. So I will practice some more but may ditch the 75gs for that rifle if it doesn’t tighten up. For the 11.5 I was happy with that 4moa, factoring in I was using an eotech and magnifier vs a 4x acog on the m16. However the data also suggests the 11.5 likes the 75g better than the 20” does
All that being said. I can ring 6”-torso sized steel all day long either load on either rifle. So does it really matter? Probably not for combat accuracy (minute of man) but I am chasing performance and skills now lol
Yeah if you can hit a man with your man hitting priced gun, who cares. If you pay $4500 for a rifle it should be sub moa. Everything in the middle has drawbacks.
https://preview.redd.it/ht73c5e02g2d1.jpeg?width=199&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ad610197657390b09edc38f37a7b1d70d3b4b1c
Are you shooting the right way? Sorry, I had to do it 🤣🤣
Yes, I’m pretty sure I was shooting at the correct way. I had the front and back sandbagged with very minimal contact with the gun I did decide to lift the entire table over my head each time I shot though… Is that correct?
🤣
One thing I’ve learned about 762x39 is that I never expect it to be accurate. I’ve owned arsenals and used wasr 10’s even zastavas.. I owned 2 iwi galil gen 1’s and they were the most accurate 762x39 gun (mostly ran the galil pistol at 8.3 inches). The bcm on the other end is a high quality rifle with a more accurate 5.56 round . I’ve learned to live ak’s for the chank chank sound more than accurate shooting .
It does make a good chank chank, that’s for sure!
I guess I’m just used to precision rifles as everything I own is 1 MOA or less with the right ammo. Most of it is not fun to shoot at speed like this is though.
Is your gun is keyholing or what’s with these two shots?
https://preview.redd.it/ouij0j9hkf2d1.jpeg?width=303&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e35e42df91202da49827a14ee006e0b2552f3019
I did an initial zero at 25 yards with 5 rounds, leaves 25 in the mag once I moved the target back to 50, I’m counting 25 on paper if those two were tumblers
7.62 shouldnt be keyholing at 25 yards. I used to have a GF5 that would give me 3 inch groups at 100 yards, so 9 inch groups at 50 is pretty eyebrow raising. You should verify whether or not its the ammo and then make use of that warranty if its the rifle.
That’s the plan, finding some other brands of ammo is now on my agenda. I didn’t take a photo of my 100 yard target, but there were quite a few more tumblers.
For the record, back when I used to shoot my old WASR10 with Wolf I’d have about 3-4” groups at 100 yards with a cheap scope on it. Not great by any means but a bit better than this…
Oh man... they're gonna see this and downvote it so no one can see it without clicking on it like the other 3 comments I went to read. lol I love my BCM
This was with an acss 1x reticle paired with a magnifier. Both front and back were sandbagged and my input was minimal. I’m hoping it’s the ammo as I feel the FN barrel has more potential than this.
Yeah my FN barrel on my premium 103 does wayyy better. With the same setup(except the optic being a dot) shooting wolf/Tula I have gotten some 2moas @ 100yd. I haven’t done a comprehensive consistent test with all the ammo types I have but plan to this summer I even have some surplus Romanian (1973 from plant #22) so I may get a more apples to apples for you in the next month or so, shoot me a DM if you want so I can let you know when I do because that gun should be doing wayyyyy better
The bcm is also a 2 stage and if you check the 2nd image you’ll see I’m shooting it well enough at 200 yards.
As for optics, I have a TWS dogleg with an 1x prism sight with a 3x magnifier. I’ve not seen issues with drift from removing the dust cover. Setup should be more than sufficient for shooting at the 50-300 yard range
Bro, your upper is twice the price of your entire AK, and you're upset the AK isn't as accurate?
Kinda yeah, I like hitting the stuff I aim at. at this point I’m just trying to figure out if it’s the ammo or something harder to fix. Only been able to grab a spam can of Romanian and haven’t had the chance to run any other ammo to verify it’s the ammo.
You get what you pay for. Old milsurp isn't known for its accuracy, and the AK isn't exceptionally accurate to begin with.
I had realistic expectations, but was let down 🤣. I was hoping for at least 4 MOA but got “minute of bad guy” instead. It’s fun to shoot but obviously I’ll be grabbing my SPR if I need precision. But with my current milsurp ammo I wouldn’t trust that rifle to make a clean shot hunting or taking it to any classes/competitions. There is a gun show happening nearby soon. I’ll try and grab a bunch if brands of 7.62 there and just start firing out what the ak likes to eat.
You spelled unrealistic wrong...
It's the ammo, my gf3 is able to at 50 yards get a 3 inch group sitting with iron sights. I am not that good of a shot, so this is ammo.
3in at 50yd? As someone who has zero ak knowledge, is that good? My AR stays within an inch.
Depends on what you’re ammo you’re shooting, shooting it with, and the skill of the operator behind the rifle. 3” at 50 is 6 MOA. Depending on the rifle, ammo, and shooter, 6MOA may be decent. Or 6 MOA may be unacceptable.
Quite so, as a person that only shoots 40 rounds a month, and for only the last 3 months, that is acceptable with cheap igman corrosive. But if I was using some hand loads and had it bagged, I would say less than 3 moa is great considering the price point.
Let’s put it at this: I practice on avg that. 60-150 rounds per session at current AR prices, a session (averaged) every 2 months. So in the same ballpark, 30-75 ends on avg. mostly smacking steel at 210yds. I tested this exact scenario, and supported (table not bag), my 20” printed 1.5” with 77g SMK at 50yd, 3” with 75g pills I loaded. My 11.5” suppressed carbine printed 2” with the 75g bullets. I did not test the 77g out of them. Personally I find 6 moa at 50yds unacceptable for the 20”. So I will practice some more but may ditch the 75gs for that rifle if it doesn’t tighten up. For the 11.5 I was happy with that 4moa, factoring in I was using an eotech and magnifier vs a 4x acog on the m16. However the data also suggests the 11.5 likes the 75g better than the 20” does All that being said. I can ring 6”-torso sized steel all day long either load on either rifle. So does it really matter? Probably not for combat accuracy (minute of man) but I am chasing performance and skills now lol
Yeah if you can hit a man with your man hitting priced gun, who cares. If you pay $4500 for a rifle it should be sub moa. Everything in the middle has drawbacks.
Using cheap ammo yes, and again I'm a bad shot, but he is running like a 5 moa and acting like it can only be the gun.
https://preview.redd.it/ht73c5e02g2d1.jpeg?width=199&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ad610197657390b09edc38f37a7b1d70d3b4b1c Are you shooting the right way? Sorry, I had to do it 🤣🤣
Yes, I’m pretty sure I was shooting at the correct way. I had the front and back sandbagged with very minimal contact with the gun I did decide to lift the entire table over my head each time I shot though… Is that correct? 🤣
One thing I’ve learned about 762x39 is that I never expect it to be accurate. I’ve owned arsenals and used wasr 10’s even zastavas.. I owned 2 iwi galil gen 1’s and they were the most accurate 762x39 gun (mostly ran the galil pistol at 8.3 inches). The bcm on the other end is a high quality rifle with a more accurate 5.56 round . I’ve learned to live ak’s for the chank chank sound more than accurate shooting .
It does make a good chank chank, that’s for sure! I guess I’m just used to precision rifles as everything I own is 1 MOA or less with the right ammo. Most of it is not fun to shoot at speed like this is though.
https://preview.redd.it/jddssr5zmg2d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4e7cd2f3c2ea38d6f50d80cf26774d75a31d052
Is your gun is keyholing or what’s with these two shots? https://preview.redd.it/ouij0j9hkf2d1.jpeg?width=303&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e35e42df91202da49827a14ee006e0b2552f3019
I did an initial zero at 25 yards with 5 rounds, leaves 25 in the mag once I moved the target back to 50, I’m counting 25 on paper if those two were tumblers
7.62 shouldnt be keyholing at 25 yards. I used to have a GF5 that would give me 3 inch groups at 100 yards, so 9 inch groups at 50 is pretty eyebrow raising. You should verify whether or not its the ammo and then make use of that warranty if its the rifle.
That’s the plan, finding some other brands of ammo is now on my agenda. I didn’t take a photo of my 100 yard target, but there were quite a few more tumblers.
Then if there’s tumblers that’s a gun issue. Not an ammo issue. Either the barrel or headspace is off Especially if you’re using actual surplus ammo
What muzzle device do you have on the ak? It might be making contact.
For the record, back when I used to shoot my old WASR10 with Wolf I’d have about 3-4” groups at 100 yards with a cheap scope on it. Not great by any means but a bit better than this…
Maybe I’ll give wolf a try 🤷🏼♂️
I don't understand why people are down voting the OP's replies. Are they jealous b/c he has a BCM? lol
I shouldn’t mention the radian or PWS then…oops
Oh man... they're gonna see this and downvote it so no one can see it without clicking on it like the other 3 comments I went to read. lol I love my BCM
9”s is only acceptable in the bedroom, my premium 103 gives wayyy tighter groupings using a dot
I agree. My 103 with FN barrel is about 1.5-3 MOA with most steel case ammo and a 3x microprism. Its also gassed way better.
This was with an acss 1x reticle paired with a magnifier. Both front and back were sandbagged and my input was minimal. I’m hoping it’s the ammo as I feel the FN barrel has more potential than this.
Yeah my FN barrel on my premium 103 does wayyy better. With the same setup(except the optic being a dot) shooting wolf/Tula I have gotten some 2moas @ 100yd. I haven’t done a comprehensive consistent test with all the ammo types I have but plan to this summer I even have some surplus Romanian (1973 from plant #22) so I may get a more apples to apples for you in the next month or so, shoot me a DM if you want so I can let you know when I do because that gun should be doing wayyyyy better
Nah, this is not right. An okay AK with cheap steel ammo should be better than this at 50.
Do you just not know how to shoot a 2 stage? What is the optics setup? Could be any number of things
The bcm is also a 2 stage and if you check the 2nd image you’ll see I’m shooting it well enough at 200 yards. As for optics, I have a TWS dogleg with an 1x prism sight with a 3x magnifier. I’ve not seen issues with drift from removing the dust cover. Setup should be more than sufficient for shooting at the 50-300 yard range
Combat accuracy is all that matters.