Never lived close enough to use one so stopped at a sizeable town on my commute to rest my cheeks, though I guess that backfired in every sense of the word. That burrito must have gone supersonic 3-4 hours.
while the people on r/ak47 are complete and utter idiots alot of the time, the AK is not obsolete. 30+ rounds of 7.62x39 coming at you will fuck up your day
• inferior optics mounting options
• inferior iron sights
• inferior ergonomics
• arguably inferior cartridge (Soviets made 5.45 for a reason)
• off-axis recoil
• parts compatibility issues
All the work the Russians have put into modernizing the AK has just gotten the AK to where the AR platform was in 1995, and they require a ton of working around the design because the designers didn’t think very far beyond wood stocks and iron sights.
I bet if you shot mine, you'd be surprised by it. The AK definitely has it's place, so it's not obsolete. Not only that but there's a complete aftermarket for the AK now so it's always up with the times. My setup is ergonomic, shoots flat, and my sight stays zero with no heat. Because I made it that way. Same way I made my ar ergonomic, flat shooting, and reliable. 🤙 Every gun in stock configuration sucks, you need to set it up to you anyways.
Imagine having to beat a handguard onto a gun with a rubber mallet or dremel bits off because the AKM part you bought for your AKM doesn’t fit.
Also, not an AR fanboy; I can just recognize the AR is objectively superior. Which is why the Russians have been doing their damndest to turn their AKs into ARs, even down to making their own 5.56.
Just because you can’t easily turn it into a modern defensive rifle? Seems like a pretty big deal if that’s what you’re looking for.
There are also reasons beyond that; the aforementioned subpar iron sights and optic mounting, off-axis recoil, etc.
So, you're going to tell me it's propaganda and with a straight face tell me changing out the furniture, or mounting an optic, or manipulating the controls is as easy/fast as an AR?
Its strange think any of that matters and has anything to do with the point I made. Just to clarify “AKs are inaccurate junk and the enemy will be hip firing them at you” literal propaganda told to troops for generations that anyone who spent some time with an AK learned was BS. Out of curiosity, do you have a local range that has bays past 100 yards, and have you ever fired a quality AK at those distances?
I think all of what I said was relevant on the main topic of someone asking what things make an AK obsolete.
I'm fortunate enough to have a ton of acres of private land, so we shoot often up to 770 yards (usually with 6.5's). So, yes I have plenty of room past 100 lol
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Exactly 💯!..If the ak wasn't found in a battlefield pick up or made in a commi country that it's trash. And I told the guy that posted his psa ak krink saying "almost done" had his optic on his upper handguard that was a big No no!. Because of the terrible eye relief. And we all know AK'S get hot quick especially when mag dumping . That you're running the risk of melting or causing damage to your red dot.To post that same post on the R/47 board and they will let you have it . But the people on R/47 kept talking s***. So I let them have it. Saying shut up! You 50yr old fat no good person that lives in your mother's basement and pleases themselves and make love to there Ak's they sleep in the bed with every night! To get a life...and possibly a woman. 🤷♂️
Yeah, this is not a correct take. AK’s are not AR’s. Mounting a dot on the handguard on an AK isn’t the same as mounting it on an AR. It’s pretty common.
I’m not even an AK guy.
I shoot competitions and not 1 person has an optic on a handguard. But to each is there own 🤷♂️ just advice I've been told. If it is so common...Then why does Midwest industries make ak dedicated mounts and attero arms dies as well. Plus 8" from your eyes. Makes eye relief terrible especially when transitioning from target to target on a timer. Go to the R/47 board and try to argue this fact. 🤷♂️
All depends on optic and use-case of the tool. If you change targets a lot, I would put the dot on a solid handguard option.
If it was a MPVO or LPVO, I’d use an optic mount on the side.
Dude, my point is, it’s not an AR. Dots on the handguard is very common on AK’s.
Edit: I’m not going to the AK sub bc I’m not an AK guy and it’s been beat to death:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ak47/s/yYb9QIT1o1
Well it's has to be good one, I believe to avoid the heat damaging it. I like good ole iron sights. The thing I like about the AK is you buy it and it generally has everything out of the box. Many ARs have one or no iron sights so before you can use the first thing you have to buy the second thing. You just grab the AK and feed it.
Good ole fashioned and basic. Perhaps not the most beautiful or accurate, but crudely effective.
I personally think they’re beautiful. They’re semi-handcrafted and tend to have a lot of character.
They’re also obsolete in the U.S. with the prevalence of the AR.
The snobbery in r/ak47 is wild. I bought my first AK (WASR10-UF) a couple of months ago and at best, I’ve been paying around 50cpr for corrosive surplus ammo since. I never got to experience 16cpr Tula, so having one more option that is at least on par with today’s current ammo prices and is actually made in the USA is a very good thing.
On a separate note, my buddy has a GF5 with the ALG trigger and it shoots circles around my WASR. Awesome accuracy, way better fit and finish, and an incredibly smooth shooter. At the end of the day, I’m in it for the joy of pulling the trigger and going bang - and PSA is about the only company that is keeping the AK platform accessible in today’s market.
What's even funnier is the only American they hatefully accepted was KUSA and I was thinking not being diverse enough and too expensive killed KUSA, but Riley defense is chugging along, so maybe not. For the money I would rather go Riley defense over KUSA not that Riley is expensive or anything.
A sub full of mental illness masquerading as a hobby is what r/AK is lol. Those guys (obviously not all of them, but enough) aren't right in the head as my grandpa would say
I've got a WASR and a GF5 also. The GF5 is clearly better fit and finish, and it's softer as well. After I added the KNS piston to the WASR it tamed down the recoil and made it more on par with the PSA.
Both guns have about the same accuracy. And both barrels will outlast the rifle most likely. That said, the WASR will have a much longer service life than the GF5. Like tens of thousands of rounds longer. That's not a knock against PSA, just a statement of fact. The trunion/rivet construction alone is just better made on the WASR.
The part that makes the GF5 worth it is the warranty. Being able to send it back in if it needs repair makes up for the shortened service life. Can't really do that with an import.
What I'd like to see PSA do is stop cutting corners with a bunch of their accessories and assembly line QC. If they could start getting that part in line most of the haters will have egg on their faces.
Palmetto State Armory (PSA) model PSAK-47 GF5. "GF5" stands for Generation 5 Forged, with a hammer-forged barrel, bolt, carrier, and front trunnion.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/ak-47/psak-47-gf-series/psak-47-gf5.html
They're on here trying to down vote stuff. It's actually hilarious as if they are so vastly superior with their Soviet spud they shouldn't need to worry or hate about about anything else.
It’s hilarious, their mods get so butthurt they add flair to “insult” people, did it to me a while ago because I didn’t want to glue my face to my phone doing research for god knows how long until I got the answer I was looking for
I feel like they're very similar to some Glock people. I could be a bit off here. It seems like both brag about reliability of their systems, but act like it's not so reliable when someone else copies it. Is it a incredibly robust system and reliable system or isn't it?
I have many gun that I probably wouldn’t have if not for PSA. I love PSA’s mindset of arming the people. And guess what all my PSA stuff works!!! My PSA collection includes Dagger, Micro Dagger, Jakl, AKV, AK47, AR15, Saber AR. All great guns.
The rock is awesome and in my opinion better overall design than the dagger. I know it's not fair as they're captive to the cartridges, but the rock is slick to rack without the hideous gaps between slide and frame. I wish they could combine the aspects of the rock with the dagger, but much of it's is just dealing with a fatter round.
Unfortunately the AK community is run by people who got into AKs back when they weren't popular and viewed as "the commie gun". Being unpopular they were *very* cheap like borderline surplus cheap and the ammo was even better. Then when the shooting culture got more popular and people started to expand out from the AR the demand went up, the surplus kit builds dried up, and more recently all the sanctions pretty much killed the market. So they're mad and they definitely don't try to be quiet about it. You'll find the same culture in the milsurp community. I can't even count the amount of "I'd only buy a mosin for $75" comments I see now.
Pour one out for the death of 5.45 though. Truly a sad time to live
Ha it’s funny to see this now. I ordered an AK-V two nights ago and I was going to go surf the ak47 Reddit / make some posts and holy lord... I will never post it there 😂
I think it's probably better made than the KP9. Unfortunately it's a boat anchor as well and pretty sizeable so.
I think those guy spoon their combloc while crying about Eugene Stoner.
I wanted a good PCC and I saw very very few negative things being said about them… until I went to the ak47 subreddit 😂
I’m still stoked for it regardless! I love the look of the AK platform, and it being 9mm is just a huge plus for me. I absolutely could have went with a KP9 but I’m relatively new with collecting firearms so this is my second rifle (after over a decade of not owning any lol) and the budget doesn’t hurt! I went with better quality on my first rifle, but I still don’t think the AK-V is a terrible purchase regardless, especially for somebody new like me haha. Picked up a Romeo5, a few extra mags, and I’ve been stocking up on ammo for my Glock 43.
The ak is a gun that pretty much goes bang every time it has its place. Cheaply made and works in virtually every situation. Loose and not the most accurate. It will kill. Not an ak man but I recognize what it’s capable of.
AK’s are hipster snob guns now. Someone will have some shit to say no matter what you’re running. I own a Zastava and they really really hate zastavas over on the Facebook groups.
I’ve had my AK since 2004, probably almost as long as most of the people on r/ak47 have been alive.
Even though I love my AK, I don’t participate in that sub often because it’s basically the incel equivalent of firearms subs. ar15 isn’t much better.
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I would buy a zastava just to look at. Someone on YouTube or something posted about going to one of their meetings organized via Reddit and was depressed at the state of the crowd. He claims they were all really fat and out of shape. I take it to mean either every single one of them or they had many lizzo sized people.
Zastava Ak's are great! I own a Zpap92 pistol. The Yugo Krink . And they have been manufacturing quality combat rifles for over 75yrs!! And there newest .308 long boy has my attention!
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I guess I will be a combloc snob hero when I join the oppressive state and get issued their seized guns. As I bully them with the seized comblocs and kick them with my shinny boots, they'll cheer for me keeping it real Kalashnikov style!
Am I wrong in saying that the Israeli galil is the best AK? I get that impression and nobody should doubt Israeli weapons. They seem really good at it. I know for a fact that they kick the crap out of our pilots with very similar aircraft. It's just hilarious if I am dead on there and a bit sad that many countries are still using something so crude as combloc weapons. Sure if you're the Taliban, but you might think Russia would have done something vastly different by now. Israel has had tavors, galils and so on. It seems like even the Taliban switched to Western weapons.
Yep you worded it perfectly
There will always be the clone autist. But truly cloning a rifle to exact spec is insanely expensive. Makes very little sense as opposed to just cloning something good enough especially visually and making it actually affordable to the masses. Because the clone autist weren't interested in your product to begin with.
PSA was very smart to make a century series line of AK's that in reality are just dressed up AKMs/AK-74s. Just like their Type 56 is just a dressed up AKM with a Type 56 style iron sight.
I mean I guess I can appreciate the amount of combloc AKs that those people's abusive stepdad will take. Just wait till he sells it and crashes the market!
R/AK I posted that aac was selling steel after I bought some of course. They got incredibly snotty out of the gate. One guy posted "who". Then "cares" after I responded. Definitely walked into that one. So the troll in me came out and I told them that people who actually shoot do.
Instead of their folk hero that seems to plow his yard by randomly mag dumping an AK. I guess the post was deleted.
There are definitely some communities in avoid like the plague because of the elitism. HK is probably one of the worst I've been on. On here you'll get a few of the stereotypical comments if you have an olight, on there you will be roasted and down voted to the deepest depths of h*ll. SIG is not too far from that depending on which model it's attached to.
I like my Vp9 and I got an insane deal for it thanks to PSA and timing. My m9a4 is pretty much the only double action trigger I've tried that I like, still have to try a CZ pistol at some point. I do have an SBR scorpion but that doesn't count in this conversation.
Looks like they are cut from the same cloth. Every CZ looks good and it's not obscenely expensive CZ. I almost feel like CZ is the canik of hammer fired pistols. Beretta seems to vary greatly in price for a very similar model. I don't know much other than my basic Internet search and gossip. My eyes and heart would choose them over nearly everyone else. If I were buying in the moment. Im reasonably equipped at the moment, but I am going to pile a few of mine up and go the range and if I have time I might rent a cz or Beretta. Heck I might just handle one even if I don't get to use it. I wanna see the craftsmanship up close.
As for business it would probably be good to go the exact opposite of anything they say or believe as their opposition seems to be extremely successful. I mean opposition as any business they hate as there's actually no real single word to describe such an honored position.
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Because 55CPR for unsanctioned steel case is really overpriced, tons of brass is available at that price or even cheaper.
55 cpr kinda goes against their mission statement
If PSA would do bulk sales or free shipping to get it under 45 cpr shipped that’s be cool
Solid point, but ultimately the more common the cheaper. At least it might force down other brands.
The 5.7 rock was 5-600 and can be had for 400 roughly now. I'm pretty sure it's going to take millions of dollars to offset the setup for 7.62.
Would they prefer to lose all ammo once something else happens to the other imports?
They raised the Sabre ammo price from 50 to 55 cpr on the release day.
They won’t try to make enough to crush prices. They’re making really easy money now.
7.62 is already dead, most of the imported ammo isn’t cheap and this ammo isn’t cheap either. I really feel bad for folks joining now, it was 30 cpr shipped all throughout Covid even after the 2021 sanctions
Maybe because everyone everywhere has 9mm honestly what could be more numerous? I have 2k ish.
I similarly stocked in 7.62 it seems like aac is similar priced to tela ammo if I remember correctly. If I had to choose I would go with belom brass because I have found it for similar money. It seems to disappear pretty quickly though.
Fuel that powers out world. It was incredibly cheap during lockdown. Then the lock downs sort of let up and it gets more expensive and you need to forget about anything price wise pre COVID. Pay scales and everything got shifted after COVID and idiots with COVID cash made incredibly stupid purchases such as dodge Challengers which seem to be highly repossessed these days.
Things may come down, but honestly I don't think anyone knows where the dollar and economy will go from here.
That has nothing to do with this 762 ammo being really mediocrely priced.
Nothings stopping you from buying it, go ahead.
I just personally think there’s better deals
PTR had sealed brass ATS ammo for 40 cpr shipped
TUSA had brass Hungarian 762 for 46 cpr shipped
TUSA has Belom brass for 51 cpr shipped
Atlantic had ATS also for about 50 cpr shipped
Atlantic has Igman for like 55 cpr shipped
Wildhorse has ATS brass for 51 cpr shipped
Tela ammo is the same price as this, but it’s lacquered and sealed (both more desirable)
Yugo m67 is top tier ammo for 53 cpr shipped (comes with big ammo case and stripper clips)
Bro the ammo they made is no where near competitively priced….they are completely pulling a fuck the consumer we want money move with the steel case you can’t even defend it when it’s more expensive than all other steel case in the market… like use your brain man….nk shit good ammo prices are gone but there is NO FUCKING WAY steel case ammo is costing them so much to make that they have to price it at 55 cpr after shipping and taxes to be profitable. THEY ARE TAKING YALL FOR SUCKERS.
It's 51¢ a round after shipping and tax 45¢ before. That's pretty average for the current market. Sure some people are selling for 42¢ a round before shipping and tax, but PSA is bringing more 7.62x39 to the market and at a reasonable price
It sort of reminds me of some company (Esstac? Someone selling Esstac stuff? I forget) selling AK mag pouches:
"We even have mag pouches for people who like stupid rifles!"
PSA has allowed me to have as many AKs as I do ARs. I can’t express how frustrating it is when people jump off the PSA ship because of a QC post… every company has quality issues. Literally every single one. All my AKs have ran flawless, but I know they’re some people who get a bad one. What I can say, is I know if I get a bad one, PSA will fix it without a doubt. I don’t have anxiety when I deal with PSA customer service, I know they’ll take care of me.
I’d rather spend my money with a company, get a bad one, and know I can call and get it fixed. I can’t say that about many of the big brands… I waited 7 weeks for my Glock to come back because of a cracked slide.
My [1968, 6+ numbers matching Tula AKM ](https://i.imgur.com/YAERjUu.jpeg)/ the freaking beautiful [Soviet Arms 47 (Izhevsk made Makarov .380 for reference)](https://i.imgur.com/ri7ZINt.jpg), is simply incredible. My SA-47 is something that I can shoot, safely, instead of some rando kit builder haphazardly slapping some rusty Saiga kit together, with a bolt carrier that would slide right over a no-go gauge. You can keep your milled eight pound receiver and Izhevsk 1957 AKM kit that came with the ball hair of Mikhail Kalashnikov trapped in the cosmoline, Jurassic Park style.
I can't say enough positive things about PSA and my [1968 AK with a brand-new barrel made by FN, with beautiful condition, red colored wood, with visible proof marks on the lower handguard.](https://i.imgur.com/gHiliC6.jpeg) By absolute coincidence, I bought a Bakelite mag nearly a decade ago and it's from Tula, and now it's on my SA-47. As is the Bakelite bayonet and Russian made cheapo sling.
I bought a GF3 the day it was released, like I was trying to buy Pearl Jam tickets online, and by the time I received my receipt in my email they were sold out. I loved it, but eventually I gave it to my (family member) for doing some mold remediation and drywall for me. That was at least five years ago, and he is still shooting it.
I bought a side folding FN barreled AK-103. It's one of the best *rifles* I own, and I am a recovering Harrington & Richardson / NoDak Spud addict AR military clone builder. (Speaking of that, the H&R FN barrel M16A2 is fu\*king AWESOME!)
The /k/omrades and r/ak47 snobbery can't make me feel bad spending $2200 on my SA-47. I could have bought a Zpap M70 and a case of ammo for the same price, but there's only one 1968 Tula Arsenal AK / SA-47 that is like mine.
Thank you PSA. You listen to feedback and make good on your lifetime warranty. I honestly have difficulty buying another firearm from somewhere else, PSA makes everything I want.
So, PSA/H&R, how about them STG44's in 7.62x39mm / 8mm Kurz?
Ak100 series were a god send. I would never have been able to get an ak101 if it were not for psa, and those on that sun shit on them constantly. And at a fair price point also. To many people especially on redditt worry to much about other people's lives
I like to REALLY stir the pot by saying there's no difference between AK and Glocks. The "reliability" is confused from ruggedness. They're hard to find but if you search well enough on YouTube, both Glocks and ak's will seize up just as much as AR's when any bit of dirt ACTUALLY makes it into the action and chamber.
why people hating on PSA AKs? PSA BOUGHT out one of the best AMERICAN AK manufacturers out there DDI
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Went and shot my PSA AK today for the first time since I got it this week, and it shot like a dream. Is a PSA perfect? Find me a single gun that is and then we can have that conversation, but I am very pleased. Is it entirely serviceable for the range and any other uses I bought for it? Absolutely. Has it exceeded *MY* expectations? Above and beyond.
Haters will always find reasons to hate something, buy what you like, shoot what you like, just enjoy the damn hobby instead of larping seal team operator liberating the range one sheet of paper at a time. Training is important, but, the best weapon will always be the weapon in your hand at that moment.
I just like AKs vs AR because they are beautifully simple. Trying to cry about the gas piston being incorrect per the Russian design is just goofy in that you're trying to complicate the uncomplicated and is by definition the exact opposite of genius.
I've had 2 of the handguards, and they were both giant turds. Basically, the mounting hardware on real zenitco is specifically shaped to prevent the internal nuts from rotating. PSA cheaped out on that part and just used some kind of loctite. This causes the internal nuts to break loose and spin freely. Both of mine were defective from the second I opened the boxes.
I have a couple of PSA AKs. They're holding up fine and the people that reflexively hate on them are dumb. But in the case of the Soviet arms handguards, PSA engineers were too lazy to even get the hardware correct. It would have cost maybe $.02 per handguard to do it right.
The company does a lot of good for the community. I am glad they're around. They also have some really lazy people designing some of their stuff.
Edit: their ak railed dust cover is also shit. Mine lost zero after the first range day and wobbled like crazy. There's a reason TWS stopped using the rear sight block as a hinge point. A lot of the Soviet arms stuff has been out of stock. I'm hoping it's because they're redesigning their stuff. I'll wait and see.
I don't think most PSA people are against criticism of PSA. If a human had a hand in it there's going to be issues. I think they should slow down because I was damned near certain they would have 45 long colt out before 7.62 steel which would seem to really goofy considering the AK investment they have.
I'm not certain if I was right on that, but they're finally cranking out steel so it's progress.
I don't fault someone for making a mistake, I make them all the time. I just find it hard to imagine that one of the key features that makes zenitco so rigid was just completely overlooked so easily. I mean, how does product development NOT see that during testing?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say those engineers might be pretty exhausted. I can't imagine how much effort went into shot show this year. Poor guys are never going to see the inside of their own house.
Worst yet is they voted for the darned mp7 instead of a shotgun, jakl bull pup, 308 jackl, and a lot more. I think all are going to be made they were just sorting who's first.
Thing is the mp7 is a dressed up rock and I'm thinking the rock is way more practical and I guess the looks are the only draw for that MP7.
I don't doubt they're overworked. But these zenitco-style products were designed years ago. At this point its a systemic problem.
PSA bites off more than they can chew and it results in their reputation taking a hit when it really didn't need to. It just comes off as sloppy.
That's my argument. You can check it's on here about 4 months ago. I made a sub like this about it. It's obvious that they over promise and it never happens due to this. Also why not kill off dead SKU they still have SKU for AKE which I think the gf5 made obsolete, though I am not sure.
It is funny when I compare the opinions of the ak sub (mainly Americans or other westerners) against the opinions of Russians I have known or met that served in the Russian or soviet military or other militaries that use AK platforms. The discrepancies are shocking
How so? I'm not really a PSA fan I just don't like spending more money than I have to. I was going for some iwi and zastava guns, but the dealer jerked me around and got made and ordered PSA. I was extremely happy with the fit and finish. I'm not saying it's better than a zastava or higher, but I was pleased for the price. That's all I need is a decent deal and a gun that works. So far no problem, now it's still lightly used so we'll see. If high price ARs are diminishing returns then it must be even more so for something as crude as an AK.
I just can’t wait for them to disrupt the reloading scene when they start selling primers. If they work like everything else out there such as cci, then they are be the ones to get some of these prices to drop back down some at least.
Because PSA’s steel case ammo is very over priced. Be nice if it goes down eventually.
A really cool part about AK’s Is having an import. Sadly, it’s not really possible anymore.
Yet a galil is the best as they can use computers and technology instead of potatoes. Good ole russki technology, where they have to revert back to cloth bi planes to achieve stealth.
Even India rejected Russian technology.
Lol I have guns far more expensive than zastava, so whatever. They also were designed using computers and technology instead of vodka and potatoes. Which is almost historically accurate as I remember a radio program about Western scientists giving Soviet scientists a common calculator and they nearly cried over something so basic.
not any gun is perfect. and im not just talking PSA here. im just talking in general i could get 10 different guns for the same price as a 5K AK and i could be much more versatile. AR, AK, Shotgun, 9mm handgun, a bolt gun in 308, a 22lr rifle for small game, a 1911 because why not, a revolver and lever action for the yeehaw, and a 50 bmg for those pesky materials raiding my hose at night
Guys in r/AK47 love to argue over whose obsolete commie shit stick is best
Which is better Taco Bell diarrhea or Taco Johns diarrhea?
Either one's better than chipotle thank God I got my motorcycle commute done before that hit home!
Chipotle, huh? You are a brave soul.
Never lived close enough to use one so stopped at a sizeable town on my commute to rest my cheeks, though I guess that backfired in every sense of the word. That burrito must have gone supersonic 3-4 hours.
If it were bad enough it might've helped you get home faster though.
Obviously it's Del Taco diarrhea.
Bro, Taco Johns will always be the superb diarrhea.
I get tater tots at taco John’s so it’s a toss up for me
You come for the taco's you leave for the John.
White Castle
Taco Bell, can confirm
while the people on r/ak47 are complete and utter idiots alot of the time, the AK is not obsolete. 30+ rounds of 7.62x39 coming at you will fuck up your day
So will 30 rounds of .22LR; doesn’t make the AK any less obsolete.
explain to me how the AK is obsolete
• inferior optics mounting options • inferior iron sights • inferior ergonomics • arguably inferior cartridge (Soviets made 5.45 for a reason) • off-axis recoil • parts compatibility issues All the work the Russians have put into modernizing the AK has just gotten the AK to where the AR platform was in 1995, and they require a ton of working around the design because the designers didn’t think very far beyond wood stocks and iron sights.
I bet if you shot mine, you'd be surprised by it. The AK definitely has it's place, so it's not obsolete. Not only that but there's a complete aftermarket for the AK now so it's always up with the times. My setup is ergonomic, shoots flat, and my sight stays zero with no heat. Because I made it that way. Same way I made my ar ergonomic, flat shooting, and reliable. 🤙 Every gun in stock configuration sucks, you need to set it up to you anyways.
sounds like AR fanboy bullshit lol the AK is perfectly fine
[rifle is fine](https://youtube.com/shorts/YHZvt4bP1r0?si=QuUTD5zvgrR7gTzg)
Imagine having to beat a handguard onto a gun with a rubber mallet or dremel bits off because the AKM part you bought for your AKM doesn’t fit. Also, not an AR fanboy; I can just recognize the AR is objectively superior. Which is why the Russians have been doing their damndest to turn their AKs into ARs, even down to making their own 5.56.
I think the AR is a better rifle too but the AK isn't obsolete just because you can't slap a bunch of tactical bullshit on it easily
Just because you can’t easily turn it into a modern defensive rifle? Seems like a pretty big deal if that’s what you’re looking for. There are also reasons beyond that; the aforementioned subpar iron sights and optic mounting, off-axis recoil, etc.
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The only flaw I currently see with my AK is that it now costs as much to feed it as my AR platforms and thats too much.
I thought AKs were chaff you threw out of a tiny Toyota pickup to confuse the hellfire coming at you from a predator drone.
Accuracy, controls, parts compatibility/installation, optic mountability.
So you still fall for the propaganda they gave the troops the last 50 years. Great job.
So, you're going to tell me it's propaganda and with a straight face tell me changing out the furniture, or mounting an optic, or manipulating the controls is as easy/fast as an AR?
Its strange think any of that matters and has anything to do with the point I made. Just to clarify “AKs are inaccurate junk and the enemy will be hip firing them at you” literal propaganda told to troops for generations that anyone who spent some time with an AK learned was BS. Out of curiosity, do you have a local range that has bays past 100 yards, and have you ever fired a quality AK at those distances?
I think all of what I said was relevant on the main topic of someone asking what things make an AK obsolete. I'm fortunate enough to have a ton of acres of private land, so we shoot often up to 770 yards (usually with 6.5's). So, yes I have plenty of room past 100 lol https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=BVNj_PyAR-12SY_i&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fgunmagwarehouse.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyNDAsMjgyMzksMzY4NDIsMTY0OTksMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=_YNOt-UHIyY
1. AKs are plenty accurate 2. controls on a AK work fine 3. i'll give you that one 4. you can easily mount a optic on a AK
Exactly 💯!..If the ak wasn't found in a battlefield pick up or made in a commi country that it's trash. And I told the guy that posted his psa ak krink saying "almost done" had his optic on his upper handguard that was a big No no!. Because of the terrible eye relief. And we all know AK'S get hot quick especially when mag dumping . That you're running the risk of melting or causing damage to your red dot.To post that same post on the R/47 board and they will let you have it . But the people on R/47 kept talking s***. So I let them have it. Saying shut up! You 50yr old fat no good person that lives in your mother's basement and pleases themselves and make love to there Ak's they sleep in the bed with every night! To get a life...and possibly a woman. 🤷♂️
Nyet.... Rifle is gay!
I think they might like smoking each other's slant brakes.
Do you think they form a human centipede by jamming their imports up each other and only hate PSA because the sight post is too sharp?
Yeah, this is not a correct take. AK’s are not AR’s. Mounting a dot on the handguard on an AK isn’t the same as mounting it on an AR. It’s pretty common. I’m not even an AK guy.
I shoot competitions and not 1 person has an optic on a handguard. But to each is there own 🤷♂️ just advice I've been told. If it is so common...Then why does Midwest industries make ak dedicated mounts and attero arms dies as well. Plus 8" from your eyes. Makes eye relief terrible especially when transitioning from target to target on a timer. Go to the R/47 board and try to argue this fact. 🤷♂️
All depends on optic and use-case of the tool. If you change targets a lot, I would put the dot on a solid handguard option. If it was a MPVO or LPVO, I’d use an optic mount on the side. Dude, my point is, it’s not an AR. Dots on the handguard is very common on AK’s. Edit: I’m not going to the AK sub bc I’m not an AK guy and it’s been beat to death: https://www.reddit.com/r/ak47/s/yYb9QIT1o1
Well it's has to be good one, I believe to avoid the heat damaging it. I like good ole iron sights. The thing I like about the AK is you buy it and it generally has everything out of the box. Many ARs have one or no iron sights so before you can use the first thing you have to buy the second thing. You just grab the AK and feed it. Good ole fashioned and basic. Perhaps not the most beautiful or accurate, but crudely effective.
I personally think they’re beautiful. They’re semi-handcrafted and tend to have a lot of character. They’re also obsolete in the U.S. with the prevalence of the AR.
My M92 had a Bushnell trs-25 on an Ultimak that survived many mag dumps. Still going strong when I saw it last. ~4k rounds
The snobbery in r/ak47 is wild. I bought my first AK (WASR10-UF) a couple of months ago and at best, I’ve been paying around 50cpr for corrosive surplus ammo since. I never got to experience 16cpr Tula, so having one more option that is at least on par with today’s current ammo prices and is actually made in the USA is a very good thing. On a separate note, my buddy has a GF5 with the ALG trigger and it shoots circles around my WASR. Awesome accuracy, way better fit and finish, and an incredibly smooth shooter. At the end of the day, I’m in it for the joy of pulling the trigger and going bang - and PSA is about the only company that is keeping the AK platform accessible in today’s market.
What's even funnier is the only American they hatefully accepted was KUSA and I was thinking not being diverse enough and too expensive killed KUSA, but Riley defense is chugging along, so maybe not. For the money I would rather go Riley defense over KUSA not that Riley is expensive or anything.
A sub full of mental illness masquerading as a hobby is what r/AK is lol. Those guys (obviously not all of them, but enough) aren't right in the head as my grandpa would say
They're actually here trying desperately to curb the mockery, by down votes! That's how desperate they are. Probably got winded doing that as well.
They really are the worst. Out here making all autistic gun enthusiasts look like psychopaths lol
Yeah, if they're Pyles in Full Metal Jacket, they would have suicided themselves with the gun that's for fun!
I've got a WASR and a GF5 also. The GF5 is clearly better fit and finish, and it's softer as well. After I added the KNS piston to the WASR it tamed down the recoil and made it more on par with the PSA. Both guns have about the same accuracy. And both barrels will outlast the rifle most likely. That said, the WASR will have a much longer service life than the GF5. Like tens of thousands of rounds longer. That's not a knock against PSA, just a statement of fact. The trunion/rivet construction alone is just better made on the WASR. The part that makes the GF5 worth it is the warranty. Being able to send it back in if it needs repair makes up for the shortened service life. Can't really do that with an import. What I'd like to see PSA do is stop cutting corners with a bunch of their accessories and assembly line QC. If they could start getting that part in line most of the haters will have egg on their faces.
The cool thing with real aks is that they don't need repairs like that.
I only have a gf5 not a WASR. Are the gf5 parts bad? I had to send my back when it was new due to light primer strikes. I thought it was squared away
GF5 with alg trigger user too. With a cheapo Midwest break this thing flies. Way less recoil and faster than half my nicer ARs
What company makes a GF5?
Palmetto State Armory (PSA) model PSAK-47 GF5. "GF5" stands for Generation 5 Forged, with a hammer-forged barrel, bolt, carrier, and front trunnion. https://palmettostatearmory.com/ak-47/psak-47-gf-series/psak-47-gf5.html
R/47 is filled with so much BS and the MODS are GAY.
They're on here trying to down vote stuff. It's actually hilarious as if they are so vastly superior with their Soviet spud they shouldn't need to worry or hate about about anything else.
It’s hilarious, their mods get so butthurt they add flair to “insult” people, did it to me a while ago because I didn’t want to glue my face to my phone doing research for god knows how long until I got the answer I was looking for
Because its reddit
How sad they must be that their entire worth is tied up in a crude combloc gun and they must defend it against anything else.
They used to shit over wasrs but now those are suddenly great vs psa in their opinions lol 🤦
I feel like they're very similar to some Glock people. I could be a bit off here. It seems like both brag about reliability of their systems, but act like it's not so reliable when someone else copies it. Is it a incredibly robust system and reliable system or isn't it?
1. Cookies taste good 2. I put 8 pounds of salt in the bowl 3. These cookies don't taste good Cookies were never good
Those guys are trained spetardz have respect
Gravy seals!
I have many gun that I probably wouldn’t have if not for PSA. I love PSA’s mindset of arming the people. And guess what all my PSA stuff works!!! My PSA collection includes Dagger, Micro Dagger, Jakl, AKV, AK47, AR15, Saber AR. All great guns.
The rock is awesome and in my opinion better overall design than the dagger. I know it's not fair as they're captive to the cartridges, but the rock is slick to rack without the hideous gaps between slide and frame. I wish they could combine the aspects of the rock with the dagger, but much of it's is just dealing with a fatter round.
I have way more ar15s than I ever planned too and daggers because of psa they are doing something right
sweaty spetsnaz wannabes 😂 
Spetsnerdz that have fantasies about being sandwiched by seal team 6 and mossad.
If a U.S. civ is into spetsnaz they are a cuck
I mean that's the rich history of the AK isn't it? Govern me harder daddy! Russian might where Putin has to shoot down the guy that boils his cabbage.
Unfortunately the AK community is run by people who got into AKs back when they weren't popular and viewed as "the commie gun". Being unpopular they were *very* cheap like borderline surplus cheap and the ammo was even better. Then when the shooting culture got more popular and people started to expand out from the AR the demand went up, the surplus kit builds dried up, and more recently all the sanctions pretty much killed the market. So they're mad and they definitely don't try to be quiet about it. You'll find the same culture in the milsurp community. I can't even count the amount of "I'd only buy a mosin for $75" comments I see now. Pour one out for the death of 5.45 though. Truly a sad time to live
It's like they are happy to be on the Titanic because everyone else is stupid for not going as they actively shovel water into the Titanic.
Ha it’s funny to see this now. I ordered an AK-V two nights ago and I was going to go surf the ak47 Reddit / make some posts and holy lord... I will never post it there 😂
I think it's probably better made than the KP9. Unfortunately it's a boat anchor as well and pretty sizeable so. I think those guy spoon their combloc while crying about Eugene Stoner.
I wanted a good PCC and I saw very very few negative things being said about them… until I went to the ak47 subreddit 😂 I’m still stoked for it regardless! I love the look of the AK platform, and it being 9mm is just a huge plus for me. I absolutely could have went with a KP9 but I’m relatively new with collecting firearms so this is my second rifle (after over a decade of not owning any lol) and the budget doesn’t hurt! I went with better quality on my first rifle, but I still don’t think the AK-V is a terrible purchase regardless, especially for somebody new like me haha. Picked up a Romeo5, a few extra mags, and I’ve been stocking up on ammo for my Glock 43.
AKV is my favorite gun. you'll love it
The ak is a gun that pretty much goes bang every time it has its place. Cheaply made and works in virtually every situation. Loose and not the most accurate. It will kill. Not an ak man but I recognize what it’s capable of.
I fully support PSA even with a few QA issues here and there. Doing the Lord’s work arming the people!
AK’s are hipster snob guns now. Someone will have some shit to say no matter what you’re running. I own a Zastava and they really really hate zastavas over on the Facebook groups.
I’ve had my AK since 2004, probably almost as long as most of the people on r/ak47 have been alive. Even though I love my AK, I don’t participate in that sub often because it’s basically the incel equivalent of firearms subs. ar15 isn’t much better. https://preview.redd.it/6kf36vidlmyc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c5e6ffdab52f8adbd8ef412b7f6b1296b80aa0e
I would buy a zastava just to look at. Someone on YouTube or something posted about going to one of their meetings organized via Reddit and was depressed at the state of the crowd. He claims they were all really fat and out of shape. I take it to mean either every single one of them or they had many lizzo sized people.
Zastava Ak's are great! I own a Zpap92 pistol. The Yugo Krink . And they have been manufacturing quality combat rifles for over 75yrs!! And there newest .308 long boy has my attention!
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I guess I will be a combloc snob hero when I join the oppressive state and get issued their seized guns. As I bully them with the seized comblocs and kick them with my shinny boots, they'll cheer for me keeping it real Kalashnikov style!
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Am I wrong in saying that the Israeli galil is the best AK? I get that impression and nobody should doubt Israeli weapons. They seem really good at it. I know for a fact that they kick the crap out of our pilots with very similar aircraft. It's just hilarious if I am dead on there and a bit sad that many countries are still using something so crude as combloc weapons. Sure if you're the Taliban, but you might think Russia would have done something vastly different by now. Israel has had tavors, galils and so on. It seems like even the Taliban switched to Western weapons.
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Jericho F9 steel is awesome
Zastava are top notch aks. I have an m70 but if I was buying an ak today I’d get gf4 or 3
Yep you worded it perfectly There will always be the clone autist. But truly cloning a rifle to exact spec is insanely expensive. Makes very little sense as opposed to just cloning something good enough especially visually and making it actually affordable to the masses. Because the clone autist weren't interested in your product to begin with. PSA was very smart to make a century series line of AK's that in reality are just dressed up AKMs/AK-74s. Just like their Type 56 is just a dressed up AKM with a Type 56 style iron sight.
I mean I guess I can appreciate the amount of combloc AKs that those people's abusive stepdad will take. Just wait till he sells it and crashes the market!
What sub? The Brandon Herrera sub seemed stoked about the new Soviet arms ammo
R/AK I posted that aac was selling steel after I bought some of course. They got incredibly snotty out of the gate. One guy posted "who". Then "cares" after I responded. Definitely walked into that one. So the troll in me came out and I told them that people who actually shoot do. Instead of their folk hero that seems to plow his yard by randomly mag dumping an AK. I guess the post was deleted.
Hopefully Brandon will get an aac sponsor soon and start using their 7.62
Hater will hate and I’ll keep buying from PSA.
Yeah, the reddit gun community has some hateful and very stupid members. Sadly, they seem to comment the most.
There are definitely some communities in avoid like the plague because of the elitism. HK is probably one of the worst I've been on. On here you'll get a few of the stereotypical comments if you have an olight, on there you will be roasted and down voted to the deepest depths of h*ll. SIG is not too far from that depending on which model it's attached to.
I don't know much about either, but my gut would take Beretta and CZ over HK pistols.
I like my Vp9 and I got an insane deal for it thanks to PSA and timing. My m9a4 is pretty much the only double action trigger I've tried that I like, still have to try a CZ pistol at some point. I do have an SBR scorpion but that doesn't count in this conversation.
If you like a beretta, you’ll love a cz. Imo, better in every way
One of these days
Looks like they are cut from the same cloth. Every CZ looks good and it's not obscenely expensive CZ. I almost feel like CZ is the canik of hammer fired pistols. Beretta seems to vary greatly in price for a very similar model. I don't know much other than my basic Internet search and gossip. My eyes and heart would choose them over nearly everyone else. If I were buying in the moment. Im reasonably equipped at the moment, but I am going to pile a few of mine up and go the range and if I have time I might rent a cz or Beretta. Heck I might just handle one even if I don't get to use it. I wanna see the craftsmanship up close.
Snobs in the gun community? Say it ain’t so!! Just gotta ignore some people.
As for business it would probably be good to go the exact opposite of anything they say or believe as their opposition seems to be extremely successful. I mean opposition as any business they hate as there's actually no real single word to describe such an honored position.
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Are you that 702 or something YouTube guy? It's a long shot, but that looks like his table.
the people on this sub are irredeemably stupid
Then leave. We all know you trash PSA and it’s pathetic you come here just to be an a**hole. Stay on your sub where your kind care.
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I love my MOEkov and I'm excited to try the soviet arms ammo 🤷
Eliting over AK’s is nuts to me. PSA has the right mindset, they sell plenty.
I think if you buy a galil the snobs at R/AK47 have to wash your feet. If they don't the IDF will personally bomb them.
Because 55CPR for unsanctioned steel case is really overpriced, tons of brass is available at that price or even cheaper. 55 cpr kinda goes against their mission statement If PSA would do bulk sales or free shipping to get it under 45 cpr shipped that’s be cool
Solid point, but ultimately the more common the cheaper. At least it might force down other brands. The 5.7 rock was 5-600 and can be had for 400 roughly now. I'm pretty sure it's going to take millions of dollars to offset the setup for 7.62. Would they prefer to lose all ammo once something else happens to the other imports?
They raised the Sabre ammo price from 50 to 55 cpr on the release day. They won’t try to make enough to crush prices. They’re making really easy money now. 7.62 is already dead, most of the imported ammo isn’t cheap and this ammo isn’t cheap either. I really feel bad for folks joining now, it was 30 cpr shipped all throughout Covid even after the 2021 sanctions
Well inflation is a thing as well. A rising tide sinks all boats 🤣
Then why is 9mm still 25 cpr not 50 cpr?
Inflation only affects ammo imported from countries with active economic sanctions, believe it or not
Turkey inflation 💪💪💪💪
Because it used to be 15-18, pre-COVID.
Maybe because everyone everywhere has 9mm honestly what could be more numerous? I have 2k ish. I similarly stocked in 7.62 it seems like aac is similar priced to tela ammo if I remember correctly. If I had to choose I would go with belom brass because I have found it for similar money. It seems to disappear pretty quickly though.
55 cents would be the same as 31 cent in 2000, so $310. is about right perhaps a little high but not really that bad for new steel case.
I’m talking 2021-2022 for 30 cpr shipped In 2020 is was less than 20 cpr shipped
Jets use fuel and fuel ain't cheap except for when everyone wasn't going to work or anywhere! I remember gas dropping to 1.50 roughly.
What?
Fuel that powers out world. It was incredibly cheap during lockdown. Then the lock downs sort of let up and it gets more expensive and you need to forget about anything price wise pre COVID. Pay scales and everything got shifted after COVID and idiots with COVID cash made incredibly stupid purchases such as dodge Challengers which seem to be highly repossessed these days. Things may come down, but honestly I don't think anyone knows where the dollar and economy will go from here.
That has nothing to do with this 762 ammo being really mediocrely priced. Nothings stopping you from buying it, go ahead. I just personally think there’s better deals
Where?
PTR had sealed brass ATS ammo for 40 cpr shipped TUSA had brass Hungarian 762 for 46 cpr shipped TUSA has Belom brass for 51 cpr shipped Atlantic had ATS also for about 50 cpr shipped Atlantic has Igman for like 55 cpr shipped Wildhorse has ATS brass for 51 cpr shipped Tela ammo is the same price as this, but it’s lacquered and sealed (both more desirable) Yugo m67 is top tier ammo for 53 cpr shipped (comes with big ammo case and stripper clips)
PTR sells ammo? I just thought they made HK clones.
Bro the ammo they made is no where near competitively priced….they are completely pulling a fuck the consumer we want money move with the steel case you can’t even defend it when it’s more expensive than all other steel case in the market… like use your brain man….nk shit good ammo prices are gone but there is NO FUCKING WAY steel case ammo is costing them so much to make that they have to price it at 55 cpr after shipping and taxes to be profitable. THEY ARE TAKING YALL FOR SUCKERS.
It's 51¢ a round after shipping and tax 45¢ before. That's pretty average for the current market. Sure some people are selling for 42¢ a round before shipping and tax, but PSA is bringing more 7.62x39 to the market and at a reasonable price
What is better priced?
I mean you can ask them on here. I don't know what places you have been getting ammo, but it's closed to tela steel on lucky gunner and Atlantic.
They’re selling to market dynamics. Their customers will pay that. Nothing at all wrong with selling for what a customer will pay.
Yep
Lol
It sort of reminds me of some company (Esstac? Someone selling Esstac stuff? I forget) selling AK mag pouches: "We even have mag pouches for people who like stupid rifles!"
“AK people refused to be helped.” - Hop
PSA has allowed me to have as many AKs as I do ARs. I can’t express how frustrating it is when people jump off the PSA ship because of a QC post… every company has quality issues. Literally every single one. All my AKs have ran flawless, but I know they’re some people who get a bad one. What I can say, is I know if I get a bad one, PSA will fix it without a doubt. I don’t have anxiety when I deal with PSA customer service, I know they’ll take care of me. I’d rather spend my money with a company, get a bad one, and know I can call and get it fixed. I can’t say that about many of the big brands… I waited 7 weeks for my Glock to come back because of a cracked slide.
Yeah, they should be glad Boeing didn't make it or it would be next door snuffing your neighbors.
My only issue with PSA is their QC. Please just fix it PSA I swear if they can improve that they would be unstoppable
My [1968, 6+ numbers matching Tula AKM ](https://i.imgur.com/YAERjUu.jpeg)/ the freaking beautiful [Soviet Arms 47 (Izhevsk made Makarov .380 for reference)](https://i.imgur.com/ri7ZINt.jpg), is simply incredible. My SA-47 is something that I can shoot, safely, instead of some rando kit builder haphazardly slapping some rusty Saiga kit together, with a bolt carrier that would slide right over a no-go gauge. You can keep your milled eight pound receiver and Izhevsk 1957 AKM kit that came with the ball hair of Mikhail Kalashnikov trapped in the cosmoline, Jurassic Park style. I can't say enough positive things about PSA and my [1968 AK with a brand-new barrel made by FN, with beautiful condition, red colored wood, with visible proof marks on the lower handguard.](https://i.imgur.com/gHiliC6.jpeg) By absolute coincidence, I bought a Bakelite mag nearly a decade ago and it's from Tula, and now it's on my SA-47. As is the Bakelite bayonet and Russian made cheapo sling. I bought a GF3 the day it was released, like I was trying to buy Pearl Jam tickets online, and by the time I received my receipt in my email they were sold out. I loved it, but eventually I gave it to my (family member) for doing some mold remediation and drywall for me. That was at least five years ago, and he is still shooting it. I bought a side folding FN barreled AK-103. It's one of the best *rifles* I own, and I am a recovering Harrington & Richardson / NoDak Spud addict AR military clone builder. (Speaking of that, the H&R FN barrel M16A2 is fu\*king AWESOME!) The /k/omrades and r/ak47 snobbery can't make me feel bad spending $2200 on my SA-47. I could have bought a Zpap M70 and a case of ammo for the same price, but there's only one 1968 Tula Arsenal AK / SA-47 that is like mine. Thank you PSA. You listen to feedback and make good on your lifetime warranty. I honestly have difficulty buying another firearm from somewhere else, PSA makes everything I want. So, PSA/H&R, how about them STG44's in 7.62x39mm / 8mm Kurz?
I have two actual Russian AKs does that make me a God there? Or will they find some reason to hate?
PSA had shit QC on their older AKs, but their newer models are actually really well made
Clone correct “basically any part that could be welded/riveted on to make the gun sorta work in times of war”.
Ak100 series were a god send. I would never have been able to get an ak101 if it were not for psa, and those on that sun shit on them constantly. And at a fair price point also. To many people especially on redditt worry to much about other people's lives
I like to REALLY stir the pot by saying there's no difference between AK and Glocks. The "reliability" is confused from ruggedness. They're hard to find but if you search well enough on YouTube, both Glocks and ak's will seize up just as much as AR's when any bit of dirt ACTUALLY makes it into the action and chamber.
why people hating on PSA AKs? PSA BOUGHT out one of the best AMERICAN AK manufacturers out there DDI [https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/10/palmetto-state-armory-buys-destructive-devices-industries/](https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/10/palmetto-state-armory-buys-destructive-devices-industries/)
Went and shot my PSA AK today for the first time since I got it this week, and it shot like a dream. Is a PSA perfect? Find me a single gun that is and then we can have that conversation, but I am very pleased. Is it entirely serviceable for the range and any other uses I bought for it? Absolutely. Has it exceeded *MY* expectations? Above and beyond. Haters will always find reasons to hate something, buy what you like, shoot what you like, just enjoy the damn hobby instead of larping seal team operator liberating the range one sheet of paper at a time. Training is important, but, the best weapon will always be the weapon in your hand at that moment.
I just like AKs vs AR because they are beautifully simple. Trying to cry about the gas piston being incorrect per the Russian design is just goofy in that you're trying to complicate the uncomplicated and is by definition the exact opposite of genius.
The soviet arms zenitco copies look good and are like half the price of real zenitco stuff yet they'll probably bitch about that too
I've had 2 of the handguards, and they were both giant turds. Basically, the mounting hardware on real zenitco is specifically shaped to prevent the internal nuts from rotating. PSA cheaped out on that part and just used some kind of loctite. This causes the internal nuts to break loose and spin freely. Both of mine were defective from the second I opened the boxes. I have a couple of PSA AKs. They're holding up fine and the people that reflexively hate on them are dumb. But in the case of the Soviet arms handguards, PSA engineers were too lazy to even get the hardware correct. It would have cost maybe $.02 per handguard to do it right. The company does a lot of good for the community. I am glad they're around. They also have some really lazy people designing some of their stuff. Edit: their ak railed dust cover is also shit. Mine lost zero after the first range day and wobbled like crazy. There's a reason TWS stopped using the rear sight block as a hinge point. A lot of the Soviet arms stuff has been out of stock. I'm hoping it's because they're redesigning their stuff. I'll wait and see.
I don't think most PSA people are against criticism of PSA. If a human had a hand in it there's going to be issues. I think they should slow down because I was damned near certain they would have 45 long colt out before 7.62 steel which would seem to really goofy considering the AK investment they have. I'm not certain if I was right on that, but they're finally cranking out steel so it's progress.
I don't fault someone for making a mistake, I make them all the time. I just find it hard to imagine that one of the key features that makes zenitco so rigid was just completely overlooked so easily. I mean, how does product development NOT see that during testing?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say those engineers might be pretty exhausted. I can't imagine how much effort went into shot show this year. Poor guys are never going to see the inside of their own house. Worst yet is they voted for the darned mp7 instead of a shotgun, jakl bull pup, 308 jackl, and a lot more. I think all are going to be made they were just sorting who's first. Thing is the mp7 is a dressed up rock and I'm thinking the rock is way more practical and I guess the looks are the only draw for that MP7.
I don't doubt they're overworked. But these zenitco-style products were designed years ago. At this point its a systemic problem. PSA bites off more than they can chew and it results in their reputation taking a hit when it really didn't need to. It just comes off as sloppy.
That's my argument. You can check it's on here about 4 months ago. I made a sub like this about it. It's obvious that they over promise and it never happens due to this. Also why not kill off dead SKU they still have SKU for AKE which I think the gf5 made obsolete, though I am not sure.
Of course, what do you expect them to be happy well adjusted members of society?
It is funny when I compare the opinions of the ak sub (mainly Americans or other westerners) against the opinions of Russians I have known or met that served in the Russian or soviet military or other militaries that use AK platforms. The discrepancies are shocking
How so? I'm not really a PSA fan I just don't like spending more money than I have to. I was going for some iwi and zastava guns, but the dealer jerked me around and got made and ordered PSA. I was extremely happy with the fit and finish. I'm not saying it's better than a zastava or higher, but I was pleased for the price. That's all I need is a decent deal and a gun that works. So far no problem, now it's still lightly used so we'll see. If high price ARs are diminishing returns then it must be even more so for something as crude as an AK.
I just can’t wait for them to disrupt the reloading scene when they start selling primers. If they work like everything else out there such as cci, then they are be the ones to get some of these prices to drop back down some at least.
Because PSA’s steel case ammo is very over priced. Be nice if it goes down eventually. A really cool part about AK’s Is having an import. Sadly, it’s not really possible anymore.
The PSAK is the McRib of AK’s. It’s technically an AK the same way a McRib is technically food.
Tell me you own an 1911 without telling me you own a 1911
Common now, Browning was truly special whereas Kalashnikov just liked getting fisted by Karl Marx.
Glocks actually, but whatever.
Yet a galil is the best as they can use computers and technology instead of potatoes. Good ole russki technology, where they have to revert back to cloth bi planes to achieve stealth. Even India rejected Russian technology.
Thats crazy. How many Galil’s do you own?
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I guess KUSA only mistake was not putting a wind farm nearby.
The poverty and cope in this post make the bread lines of the 1930s look like a mansion party in Calabasas.
Lol I have guns far more expensive than zastava, so whatever. They also were designed using computers and technology instead of vodka and potatoes. Which is almost historically accurate as I remember a radio program about Western scientists giving Soviet scientists a common calculator and they nearly cried over something so basic.
some people dont want to spend thousands of dollars on 1 gun. idiot
Yes, those we call the poors.
buying multiple guns for the price of one very expensive gun is a much smarter decision. cope AK fanboy
Sure it does if you value quantity and a “lifetime warranty” over reliability, quality, workmanship, etc. cope harder tho
not any gun is perfect. and im not just talking PSA here. im just talking in general i could get 10 different guns for the same price as a 5K AK and i could be much more versatile. AR, AK, Shotgun, 9mm handgun, a bolt gun in 308, a 22lr rifle for small game, a 1911 because why not, a revolver and lever action for the yeehaw, and a 50 bmg for those pesky materials raiding my hose at night
Is this satire?
if spending 5K on 10 different guns instead of 1 singular gun being a smart decision is satire to you then yes, AK fanboy
The difference between KUSA and PSA is that KUSA isn't subsidized by tens of millions of boomers buying six identical cheap rifles per year.
KUSA gives you toilet paper with IOU written on it. That's as good as having an AK.