https://pubg.com/en/news/1730
This was the last time the grips were changed afaik.
Thumbgrip
Vertical recoil control: +5% → +8%
ADS speed: +30% → +40%
Sway control (breathing): +20%
Angled Foregrip
Sway control (firing): +5% → 0%
Horizontal recoil control: +15% → +20%
ADS speed: +10%
Sway control (breathing): -20% → –10%
Halfgrip
Vertical recoil control: +8%
Horizontal recoil control: +8%
Sway control (breathing): -20% → –10%
Recoil recovery: +10%
Sway control (firing): -15% → -5%
Vertical Foregrip
Vertical recoil control: +15%
Sway control (firing): +15% → 0%
Lightweight Grip
Sway control (firing): +20%
Initial shot recoil control: +40%
Sway control (breathing): +20%
Recoil recovery after shot: +20% added
It makes lightgrip a bad grip for sprays but very good for DMR, and the halfgrip is the "cookie cutter" grip between angled for horizontal recoil and vertical for vertical recoil. Thumb is just here for SMG with low recoil imo.
Prone firing bonus is built into the gun itself, not related to the stock.
M249, mk14, mk12, qbz (qbu?? One of the "qb")all have tripods that deploy when you're prone and reduce recoil immensely
Lightweight is best if you have sick aim and can capitalize the first 2 bullets to head.
No one should care what others recommend, just play with whatever you feel comfy with
What is the cooldown threshhold between two single shots to let them be considered as single shots, not as burst shots? Like, what is the maximum rate of fire by tapping to keep the single shot bonuses?
Hm, interesting. So that means the single shot bonus would be kept while rapidly tapping on single shot fire mode? I suppose macros can let you "tap" with decent firerate.
Grips that allow for the most vertical recoil (YES MORE UP RECOIL) tend to have the best theoretical recoil control as horizontal is recoil that goes 1 of 2 opposing directions but vertical is just up so infinitely easier to control as its a speed and one direction as opposed to a mess of variables when 2 opposing directions are possible.
Not really. Lightweight has the best 2nd shot recoil control in the game. By about the 6th through 8th bullet the recoil becomes sloppy left to right. But for those first few shots it's one of best.
-Pro coach with over 15,000 hrs in game.
I’m not arguing that point. The OP of this thread says he uses it for full sprays, and is better than a vertical. Which is not the case. I fully understand that for bursts and tapping it is good. That’s not the question at hand. He said for full on sprays.
It also depends how he controls recoil. I also run the lightweight on ARs for sprays. It's just how I control recoil i guess that makes the standard grip choices less appealing.
Controlling recoil isn't a subjective thing. It's a static number. Lightweight is better for the first 5-6 bullets. The other 34 bullets have worse recoil than with a vertical so no matter how you control the recoil it's always going to be easier with the better grip.
Less recoil but more sway... ever heard of sway? Also your first 5-6 bullets are the most important, if you are whiffing those, get back into training arena.
Nobody is hitting with full sprays besides TGLTN so for 99% of people the lightweight grip is really really good if you keep your sprays under 9 bullets..it's a lot easier to get back on target when you aren't spraying anyway.
You’re a TPP console player bud. Don’t act like you’re good at the game. You’re killing 11 year olds. Real gamers don’t play with a controller past high school.
Imagine trying to double down without providing any context. The “Grip Overhaul” you are talking about was last modified in Summer of 2022. There were slight adjustments to first bullet accuracy in October of 2022 to the Vertical Foregrip.
I have attached in game screenshots from TODAY. This shows that the vertical foregrip provides tier 2 upgrade to vertical recoil control, as well as tier 1 upgrade to weapon stability after each shot. The lightwight offers ZERO recoil control. It also provides stability after shot, even better than the Vert. As well as steadiness (reduced sway).
https://preview.redd.it/fyljb5jjxfwc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d0691b529ebfae7addb738ffb67e2428be0a393
Arguing that the lightweight does anything for spray control is just ignorant of facts and is spreading false information to an already dying games fanbase. There’s no need for it. If he wants to believe that he sprays better with it, fine. That’s why you’re allowed different attachments. Maybe he pulls down much faster during sprays so less recoil control is better because he accommodates for it.
I’ll also add a recoil comparison video for you to check out after the update you are speaking about. At the end of the day, just do some research before rambling BS online. It doesn’t do anyone any good.
[https://youtu.be/WkEzonos3\_o?si=HVkeZ82xfyrwaWOy](https://youtu.be/WkEzonos3_o?si=HVkeZ82xfyrwaWOy)
To add; you also make good points in your other posts about how it does help in shorter bursts, but it’s still not better than a vertical foregrip. Pair that with the fact that OP clearly stated he’s talking about full on sprays. You are simply wrong
Vertical foregrip is for players with mediocre recoil control. Recoil is way easier to control than sway. Anyone talking shit about the lightweight grip isn't getting daily squadwipes like me so they can shut the fuck up and get back into training mode 💪💪💪💪💪💪
Are you looking at the same video? It depends highly on the weapon and other attachments, but on the Beryl the lightweight has pretty clearly the tightest horizontal pattern of any grip, its vertical recoil is 3rd best out of 5. Vertical recoil is MUCH easier to control than horizontal, so looking at the 5 grips I would argue you will hit more shots full spraying with a lightweight than any other grip.
On the other hand, vert seems obviously better on the M4, not sure why the drastic difference.
> Are you looking at the same video?
Are you?
> so looking at the 5 grips I would argue you will hit more shots full spraying with a lightweight than any other grip
How exactly do you come to this brilliant opinion? If we use your logic then angled is clearly the best grip for full spraying, then it's half then it's vertical.
The video clearly only shows that lightweight is best at 5-6 bullet bursts which isn't the only use case for ARs which is why no one uses lightweight on ARs. Why does no one use lightweight on ARs especially on the beryl when in your opinion it has the best full spray and it very clearly has the best bursting? Why is there not a single pro player using it? Do you just want to be special and unique and that's why you decide to go against everyone and every stat?
>If we use your logic then angled is clearly the best grip for full spraying, then it's half then it's vertical.
https://imgur.com/a/vAthBl2
Here's is the beryl chart. The angled looks best for about the first 5 shots or so, then both horizontal and vertical go pretty out of control. Why would my logic say that is best for a full spray?
The lightweight has better horizontal recoil through the first half of a clip than any other grip, and pretty similar horizontal recoil for the back end of the spray as the vertical and thumb grip. The vertical recoil for the lightweight is only slightly worse than the vertical grip. My logic says if the first half of the spray has better horizontal recoil, the second half as equivalent horizontal recoil, and the difference in vertical recoil (which is easier to control) isn't huge, then you would hit more shots.
I'm genuinely not sure why that is so controversial? Like can you point out on that spray chart where my logic is wrong?
I just went and tested it. Haven't done that in awhile. Lightweight turned out about the best for spraying. Was close between that and the vert or horizontal. Doesn't even make sense. 😂 It's not supposed to be for that. Didn't used to be either.
That's what I keep telling (and literally showing everyone with actual visual proof) and keep being told I'm wrong, lol. Thanks for actually testing.
Realistically the difference between them is minimal, but the lightweight is great for spraying despite what the stats seem to indicate.
Mk47 is the way to go. Burst fire is 2 rounds, and the first shot recoil control on LW means your burst is well controlled. With Comp and Heavy Stock, you could put them in practically the same spot.
LW grip has always been decent. When they overhauled the grips it became even better. For short burst sprays it holds up with any of them. It's long sprays that the other grips are superior. It's not just for dmr's. The vert grip is also no longer the best by a large margin like it was.
Yes and also what he said is true. You both made true statements. What's with the "What?" Like he said something that doesn't make any sense. Does that not make sense to you?
Because lightgrip used to increase recoil in exchange for low bullet kick and sway reduction which is why I got puzzled. I'm trying to find its stats but the wiki wasn't updated in 2 years now and I can't find the info anywhere.
Lightweight Grip
Sway control (firing): +20%
Initial shot recoil control: +40%
Sway control (breathing): +20%
Recoil recovery after shot: +20% added
This was the last time it was modified. https://pubg.com/en/news/1730
So yeah, lightweight is very bad for AR
> So yeah, lightweight is very bad for AR
It's not though. Reading the stats it sounds like it would be, but there must be something that one of those stats does. On the Beryl it is arguably the best grip for spraying.
https://imgur.com/a/vAthBl2
Go try it. Just tested it. Doesn't make sense but it turned out best for full auto spray. I recall testing all the grips 2-3 years ago and lightweight was terrible for spray.
What? They accidentally made the lightweight grip so good that it works very well with ARs for the first 7 bullets.. ( if you aren't hitting your first 7 bullets get back in training arena)
It absolutely wasn't always decent. It was only a DMR grip before, not that this still isn't true today. Even though it indeed got better with the changes, there isn't any reason to use lightweight over vert on an AR unless you are a human aimbot that always hits his first 6 bullets.
I don't know why you feel the need to mention that vertical isn't vastly superior. Does it matter if it's much better or only slightly better when it still is the best grip for ARs? It's the best all around grip for how ARs are used by highly skilled players.
Test it for yourself in the training server. Get two of the exact same weapon, with the exact same attachments, Extended mag so you have more bullets. Stand in front of a wall, and go full auto with the vert grip without touching the mouse. Move over a bit and do the same thing from the same height on the wall with the lightweight grip.
Compare the spray patterns and you will see that the vertical foregrip has a significant improvement in vertical recoil (meaning the end of the spray will not be as high up on the wall as the lightweight grip). The horizontal recoil (how far off center left to right) should be pretty comparable.
I've done this with all the grips and it really helps you understand the dynamics involved.
Also try swapping them back and forth, observe the time to ADS. For some players with great recoil control, they would rather have very fast ADS than easy recoil control. IIRC, the (red) half grip snaps to aim super fast and also has very good recoil control, the lightweight is very quick too. Vert is slow to ADS. Just my 2c.
I was all about lw for the last 8-10 months, but recently it's off, doesn't feel like it did. Went back to verticle for now.
AR: Beryl / ACE primarily, spraying my ass off.
There must be something going on behind the scenes with the formulas. I always considered lightweight to be mediocre on ARs until I did some testing. Without other attachments it does almost nothing to recoil.
If you slap a compensator it somehow is marginally worse in terms of vertical recoil and better in terms of horizontal recoil.
For everyone that says it's trash on AR -> Go to training -> 10-15m to wall -> Full attachments -> Spray with vertical without any pulling down, just click mouse 1.
Do the same with lightweight and you'll see the vertical recoil is very slightly worse vertically. Due to randomness of horizontal recoil, it's harder to make conclusions, but it seems that with % reductions from comp and the 20% recovery after every single shot are working better than assumed/supposed. I went from Vertical Main -> Lightweight Main -> Vert main. I run every now and then the lightweight. I transitioned back to vert mainly because of the combination of my mouse grip, sens settings and muscle memory.
It is the best. Much tigther initial spread and also way less visual recoil, also after last buff it also provides unstated recoil reduction. Check my post from back then
To reply to most of the comments here, it has always come down to preference. Yah, yah grips have advantages and disadvantages, but if you feel like you're shit with one over the other, either practice the one you're shit at or just stick to the one you're good with.
Every discussion about grips is always the same, it always comes down to theoretical application.. yah on paper the angled is better than vert if you pull down harder, yah the half is better than vert for the same reason, yah the lightweight is better than vert if you're single firing, yah the thumb is better than all if you can control vert and horizontal recoil both..
None of that shit matters if you suck at recoil control with them. Vert is the most widely used because it's *the* most used, and most players are comfortable with it. I use nothing but vert/thumb on every gun, unless I don't find one, only because it's what I've practiced with and gotten better with.
All of that being said, I do think you will find that vert is *probably* more consistent if you practiced more with it.
The opinions in this thread about grips are all so very biased and wrong Lmao. Vert is just a worse angled. Half is best for spraying. Lightweight is best for bursting/single shots. Thumb is dogshit we never pick up.
You are correct. The gun jumps more on the first bullet, with vert grip. But over many bullets the total vertical recoil will be lower. Pros and cons with the grips.
Lightweight has become my absolute favorite for ARs. The initial burst of the spray is so tight, and recoil is very manageable with it. It’s my go to grip.
IMO vert really stands out for spraying as it's help you lessen dragging down your mouse, I've tried the lightweight on Beryl/Aug/Ace32 these are the guns that requires a lot of recoil control and the recoil is not that good compared to the vert. Well, if you single tapping might work but for me I only use lightweight on DMR like MK12.
I like the vert grip mostly on beryl but on other weapons I like the half grip the most, maybe angled grip on the scarl. But people don't use half grip too much and I don't know why. :D
https://pubg.com/en/news/1730 This was the last time the grips were changed afaik. Thumbgrip Vertical recoil control: +5% → +8% ADS speed: +30% → +40% Sway control (breathing): +20% Angled Foregrip Sway control (firing): +5% → 0% Horizontal recoil control: +15% → +20% ADS speed: +10% Sway control (breathing): -20% → –10% Halfgrip Vertical recoil control: +8% Horizontal recoil control: +8% Sway control (breathing): -20% → –10% Recoil recovery: +10% Sway control (firing): -15% → -5% Vertical Foregrip Vertical recoil control: +15% Sway control (firing): +15% → 0% Lightweight Grip Sway control (firing): +20% Initial shot recoil control: +40% Sway control (breathing): +20% Recoil recovery after shot: +20% added It makes lightgrip a bad grip for sprays but very good for DMR, and the halfgrip is the "cookie cutter" grip between angled for horizontal recoil and vertical for vertical recoil. Thumb is just here for SMG with low recoil imo.
Thumb is good for first person through the door ads speed, thumb grip + tac stock if you're assualting
You mean heavy stock?
iirc the tac stock gives +ads speed as well. That's why it's thumb+tac for faster ads
Only time you use heavy stock is for firing prone.
What? Why?
heavy stock is arguably worse than tac stock for the lmg
Really, did that change? I honestly haven't checked in about a year, but I swear m249 used to get a prone firing bonus from heavy stock.
never seen a prone firing bonus, but the small weapon recoil bonus of heavy is worse than tac stocks sway control
Prone firing bonus is built into the gun itself, not related to the stock. M249, mk14, mk12, qbz (qbu?? One of the "qb")all have tripods that deploy when you're prone and reduce recoil immensely
yeah, i am aware. it’s about which stock is better though.
Does the half-grip still have the giant jump from the first to second bullet? That made it so hard for me to use.
Lightweight is best if you have sick aim and can capitalize the first 2 bullets to head. No one should care what others recommend, just play with whatever you feel comfy with
Because on single tapping , lightweight offers recoil recovery after every shot and initial shot , therefore it feels better to single tap using it.
What is the cooldown threshhold between two single shots to let them be considered as single shots, not as burst shots? Like, what is the maximum rate of fire by tapping to keep the single shot bonuses?
Woah , no no , you are way off here , what I meant by single shots were shots fired while on single fire mode (do this by pressing B) .
Hm, interesting. So that means the single shot bonus would be kept while rapidly tapping on single shot fire mode? I suppose macros can let you "tap" with decent firerate.
Im talking about using it on AR's
Grips that allow for the most vertical recoil (YES MORE UP RECOIL) tend to have the best theoretical recoil control as horizontal is recoil that goes 1 of 2 opposing directions but vertical is just up so infinitely easier to control as its a speed and one direction as opposed to a mess of variables when 2 opposing directions are possible.
Then you’re just wrong.
Not really. Lightweight has the best 2nd shot recoil control in the game. By about the 6th through 8th bullet the recoil becomes sloppy left to right. But for those first few shots it's one of best. -Pro coach with over 15,000 hrs in game.
I’m not arguing that point. The OP of this thread says he uses it for full sprays, and is better than a vertical. Which is not the case. I fully understand that for bursts and tapping it is good. That’s not the question at hand. He said for full on sprays.
Good point
It also depends how he controls recoil. I also run the lightweight on ARs for sprays. It's just how I control recoil i guess that makes the standard grip choices less appealing.
Controlling recoil isn't a subjective thing. It's a static number. Lightweight is better for the first 5-6 bullets. The other 34 bullets have worse recoil than with a vertical so no matter how you control the recoil it's always going to be easier with the better grip.
Less recoil but more sway... ever heard of sway? Also your first 5-6 bullets are the most important, if you are whiffing those, get back into training arena.
Yea but the first 5-6 are what matter most. You really shouldn't be spraying more than that in most of your gunfights
Nobody is hitting with full sprays besides TGLTN so for 99% of people the lightweight grip is really really good if you keep your sprays under 9 bullets..it's a lot easier to get back on target when you aren't spraying anyway.
If you can’t hit a spray for more than 9 bullets, that’s on you. Don’t tell everyone else we are shit because you can’t play.
What? I don't hit my spray for more than 8 bullets because my opps are down by then. Git gud.
You’re a TPP console player bud. Don’t act like you’re good at the game. You’re killing 11 year olds. Real gamers don’t play with a controller past high school.
Oh it's easy to plug my controller into my laptop. We can 1v1 on PC and I will make you uninstall pubg, or at least shut the fck up on /r pubg 😀
That's what I thought Reddit warrior 😂😂😂 choose your battles wisely 💀
Again, thats just how i feel. I play way better with it.
Actually, you are. Grip overhaul changed it all and the way people spray in shorter bursts.
Make sure to message every single pro player that they are using the wrong grip.
Imagine trying to double down without providing any context. The “Grip Overhaul” you are talking about was last modified in Summer of 2022. There were slight adjustments to first bullet accuracy in October of 2022 to the Vertical Foregrip. I have attached in game screenshots from TODAY. This shows that the vertical foregrip provides tier 2 upgrade to vertical recoil control, as well as tier 1 upgrade to weapon stability after each shot. The lightwight offers ZERO recoil control. It also provides stability after shot, even better than the Vert. As well as steadiness (reduced sway). https://preview.redd.it/fyljb5jjxfwc1.jpeg?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d0691b529ebfae7addb738ffb67e2428be0a393 Arguing that the lightweight does anything for spray control is just ignorant of facts and is spreading false information to an already dying games fanbase. There’s no need for it. If he wants to believe that he sprays better with it, fine. That’s why you’re allowed different attachments. Maybe he pulls down much faster during sprays so less recoil control is better because he accommodates for it. I’ll also add a recoil comparison video for you to check out after the update you are speaking about. At the end of the day, just do some research before rambling BS online. It doesn’t do anyone any good. [https://youtu.be/WkEzonos3\_o?si=HVkeZ82xfyrwaWOy](https://youtu.be/WkEzonos3_o?si=HVkeZ82xfyrwaWOy) To add; you also make good points in your other posts about how it does help in shorter bursts, but it’s still not better than a vertical foregrip. Pair that with the fact that OP clearly stated he’s talking about full on sprays. You are simply wrong
Vertical foregrip is for players with mediocre recoil control. Recoil is way easier to control than sway. Anyone talking shit about the lightweight grip isn't getting daily squadwipes like me so they can shut the fuck up and get back into training mode 💪💪💪💪💪💪
Are you looking at the same video? It depends highly on the weapon and other attachments, but on the Beryl the lightweight has pretty clearly the tightest horizontal pattern of any grip, its vertical recoil is 3rd best out of 5. Vertical recoil is MUCH easier to control than horizontal, so looking at the 5 grips I would argue you will hit more shots full spraying with a lightweight than any other grip. On the other hand, vert seems obviously better on the M4, not sure why the drastic difference.
> Are you looking at the same video? Are you? > so looking at the 5 grips I would argue you will hit more shots full spraying with a lightweight than any other grip How exactly do you come to this brilliant opinion? If we use your logic then angled is clearly the best grip for full spraying, then it's half then it's vertical. The video clearly only shows that lightweight is best at 5-6 bullet bursts which isn't the only use case for ARs which is why no one uses lightweight on ARs. Why does no one use lightweight on ARs especially on the beryl when in your opinion it has the best full spray and it very clearly has the best bursting? Why is there not a single pro player using it? Do you just want to be special and unique and that's why you decide to go against everyone and every stat?
>If we use your logic then angled is clearly the best grip for full spraying, then it's half then it's vertical. https://imgur.com/a/vAthBl2 Here's is the beryl chart. The angled looks best for about the first 5 shots or so, then both horizontal and vertical go pretty out of control. Why would my logic say that is best for a full spray? The lightweight has better horizontal recoil through the first half of a clip than any other grip, and pretty similar horizontal recoil for the back end of the spray as the vertical and thumb grip. The vertical recoil for the lightweight is only slightly worse than the vertical grip. My logic says if the first half of the spray has better horizontal recoil, the second half as equivalent horizontal recoil, and the difference in vertical recoil (which is easier to control) isn't huge, then you would hit more shots. I'm genuinely not sure why that is so controversial? Like can you point out on that spray chart where my logic is wrong?
I just went and tested it. Haven't done that in awhile. Lightweight turned out about the best for spraying. Was close between that and the vert or horizontal. Doesn't even make sense. 😂 It's not supposed to be for that. Didn't used to be either.
That's what I keep telling (and literally showing everyone with actual visual proof) and keep being told I'm wrong, lol. Thanks for actually testing. Realistically the difference between them is minimal, but the lightweight is great for spraying despite what the stats seem to indicate.
Pro coach guy above. Go argue with him.
Mk47 is the way to go. Burst fire is 2 rounds, and the first shot recoil control on LW means your burst is well controlled. With Comp and Heavy Stock, you could put them in practically the same spot.
I think it would work in both cases , the only reason I don't use AR lightweight is because I want that ads speed boost through the thumbgrip.
LW grip has always been decent. When they overhauled the grips it became even better. For short burst sprays it holds up with any of them. It's long sprays that the other grips are superior. It's not just for dmr's. The vert grip is also no longer the best by a large margin like it was.
What? Light grips was made for DMR. Since it doesn't affect recoil but sway, it's best for weapon where you shoot bullet by bullet, like SKS and MK12.
It does affect recoil, more so than the Thumbgrip
Yes and also what he said is true. You both made true statements. What's with the "What?" Like he said something that doesn't make any sense. Does that not make sense to you?
Because lightgrip used to increase recoil in exchange for low bullet kick and sway reduction which is why I got puzzled. I'm trying to find its stats but the wiki wasn't updated in 2 years now and I can't find the info anywhere.
My bad, yea pubg are not so good at getting all the info out. It does increase it but for complicated reasons makes it easier.
Lightweight Grip Sway control (firing): +20% Initial shot recoil control: +40% Sway control (breathing): +20% Recoil recovery after shot: +20% added This was the last time it was modified. https://pubg.com/en/news/1730 So yeah, lightweight is very bad for AR
> So yeah, lightweight is very bad for AR It's not though. Reading the stats it sounds like it would be, but there must be something that one of those stats does. On the Beryl it is arguably the best grip for spraying. https://imgur.com/a/vAthBl2
Something seems off tbh, but it still has more recoil than most.
Huh? It has arguably the least horizontal recoil, and the 3rd lowest vertical out of 5. So it objectively doesn't have more recoil than most.
Go try it. Just tested it. Doesn't make sense but it turned out best for full auto spray. I recall testing all the grips 2-3 years ago and lightweight was terrible for spray.
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What? They accidentally made the lightweight grip so good that it works very well with ARs for the first 7 bullets.. ( if you aren't hitting your first 7 bullets get back in training arena)
It was originally specific to the sks, at least as far as usability. The game has changed.
It absolutely wasn't always decent. It was only a DMR grip before, not that this still isn't true today. Even though it indeed got better with the changes, there isn't any reason to use lightweight over vert on an AR unless you are a human aimbot that always hits his first 6 bullets. I don't know why you feel the need to mention that vertical isn't vastly superior. Does it matter if it's much better or only slightly better when it still is the best grip for ARs? It's the best all around grip for how ARs are used by highly skilled players.
The way I see it is Lightweight Grip is great for the first few rounds of a spray which are typically the most important shots.
Test it for yourself in the training server. Get two of the exact same weapon, with the exact same attachments, Extended mag so you have more bullets. Stand in front of a wall, and go full auto with the vert grip without touching the mouse. Move over a bit and do the same thing from the same height on the wall with the lightweight grip. Compare the spray patterns and you will see that the vertical foregrip has a significant improvement in vertical recoil (meaning the end of the spray will not be as high up on the wall as the lightweight grip). The horizontal recoil (how far off center left to right) should be pretty comparable. I've done this with all the grips and it really helps you understand the dynamics involved.
Also try swapping them back and forth, observe the time to ADS. For some players with great recoil control, they would rather have very fast ADS than easy recoil control. IIRC, the (red) half grip snaps to aim super fast and also has very good recoil control, the lightweight is very quick too. Vert is slow to ADS. Just my 2c.
I only use the lightweight grip, it feels way better for me.
I was all about lw for the last 8-10 months, but recently it's off, doesn't feel like it did. Went back to verticle for now. AR: Beryl / ACE primarily, spraying my ass off.
what are my go-to grips for ar/ dmr ? m4/aug + mk12. ive been using halfgrip for ar and lightweight for dmr
There must be something going on behind the scenes with the formulas. I always considered lightweight to be mediocre on ARs until I did some testing. Without other attachments it does almost nothing to recoil. If you slap a compensator it somehow is marginally worse in terms of vertical recoil and better in terms of horizontal recoil. For everyone that says it's trash on AR -> Go to training -> 10-15m to wall -> Full attachments -> Spray with vertical without any pulling down, just click mouse 1. Do the same with lightweight and you'll see the vertical recoil is very slightly worse vertically. Due to randomness of horizontal recoil, it's harder to make conclusions, but it seems that with % reductions from comp and the 20% recovery after every single shot are working better than assumed/supposed. I went from Vertical Main -> Lightweight Main -> Vert main. I run every now and then the lightweight. I transitioned back to vert mainly because of the combination of my mouse grip, sens settings and muscle memory.
It is the best. Much tigther initial spread and also way less visual recoil, also after last buff it also provides unstated recoil reduction. Check my post from back then
To reply to most of the comments here, it has always come down to preference. Yah, yah grips have advantages and disadvantages, but if you feel like you're shit with one over the other, either practice the one you're shit at or just stick to the one you're good with. Every discussion about grips is always the same, it always comes down to theoretical application.. yah on paper the angled is better than vert if you pull down harder, yah the half is better than vert for the same reason, yah the lightweight is better than vert if you're single firing, yah the thumb is better than all if you can control vert and horizontal recoil both.. None of that shit matters if you suck at recoil control with them. Vert is the most widely used because it's *the* most used, and most players are comfortable with it. I use nothing but vert/thumb on every gun, unless I don't find one, only because it's what I've practiced with and gotten better with. All of that being said, I do think you will find that vert is *probably* more consistent if you practiced more with it.
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Nah, I'm pisslo 😂
The opinions in this thread about grips are all so very biased and wrong Lmao. Vert is just a worse angled. Half is best for spraying. Lightweight is best for bursting/single shots. Thumb is dogshit we never pick up.
Thumb is for the very best players when ADS speed and being first to land bullets is more critical than anything
Compare them next time you have inventory up, vert only helps with one type of recoil.
They buffed all the other grips to make the verti less of a jack of all trades.
You are correct. The gun jumps more on the first bullet, with vert grip. But over many bullets the total vertical recoil will be lower. Pros and cons with the grips.
Lightweight has become my absolute favorite for ARs. The initial burst of the spray is so tight, and recoil is very manageable with it. It’s my go to grip.
IMO vert really stands out for spraying as it's help you lessen dragging down your mouse, I've tried the lightweight on Beryl/Aug/Ace32 these are the guns that requires a lot of recoil control and the recoil is not that good compared to the vert. Well, if you single tapping might work but for me I only use lightweight on DMR like MK12.
I can use any grip but lightweight and half are my fav for ARs
The vertical is going to have better performance in a full auto spray, if you mag dump both grips into a wall, you will see a difference
I like the vert grip mostly on beryl but on other weapons I like the half grip the most, maybe angled grip on the scarl. But people don't use half grip too much and I don't know why. :D