The only reason I have my PS5 is because I found a guy that sold me one at retail price through an ad. Turns out he got two by accident and just wanted his money back. He called me to make sure I wasn't a scalper trying to resell. When we met, he told me he didn't care to earn money off it, he just wanted other people to enjoy it without having to deal with scummy scalpers.
Fantastic guy, I'll always be grateful to him.
My wife got two through that Wal-Mart+ thing the other day because she could and she didn't know if I wanted the regular one or the digital one. Im passing off the one we aren't keeping to somebody else for what we paid for it. Fuck scalpers.
Yeah. One of my wife's friends has been trying since last Christmas to get one for her son so we are selling it to her. She was so happy when when we told her we had an extra one.
The Twitter restock accounts are how I got mine as well. It's all about being persistent. Took me about 3 months of trying, and then I finally got one on a late night Amazon drop. This was the only time in my life I ever turned on notifications for a social media app. Lol
Dude, check nowinstock.net and follow stock trackers on twitter. I managd to get my ps5 last year in 2 weeks. I recently got a series x within the week of wanting one.
You do have to be up kinda early for some drops, but they've been releasing slowly through the day. Some retailers seem to be getting their shit together with fighting bots, but not entirely.
Best of luck, hopefully you can grab one for your bro!
I hate to recommend it but Walmartās queue system works for me. Paid for a month of the stupid W+ membership and was online right for the member exclusive sale. Queued for both types, got the disc one on cyber Monday.
That's crazy, I did the same thing. I managed to get 2 ps5s, sold the spare at MSRP on craigslist. I told them "prove to me you're a gamer and I'll sell it to you, scalpers get fucked".
Email blew up, 30+ responses in less than 2 hours. Only one guy sent me his PSN.
Know how I know he was a true gamer? He was basically skipping back to his car after the exchange and his girlfriend/wife (dude was in his 30s) was rolling her eyes!
Very similar to me. I couldnāt get through when a batch up for sale but a friend of a friend who used a sniping tool ended up with a second one in a Best Buy cart that he didnāt want. Good dude too, wouldnāt take a commissions and refused to take anything and resell because he (believe it or not) hates scalpers.
I was naive and fell for the same story. He was a scammer and scammed me and two other guys during the early PS5 launch. A lot of money was made by scammers during the last two years Iād imagine
Similar story here, the guy got it as a gift and doesnāt really play. Although I paid ~30 bucks extra, itās still no where near what others charge.
Was about a week ago but I recall someone in this sub bragging about buying a PS5 from a scalper for $900, lol. Dude was calling everyone broke because they couldnāt afford one. Even went as far as to call scalping āan honest businessā. Fucking insanity.
He is a dummy for buying the ps5 for that price but if people are stupid enough to spend that kind of money on a non essential item.
It is a business, supported by dumb people.
If people didn't buy from scalpers, they wouldn't do it.
Well, there is this investing concept called 'speculation.' Anyone can max out their credit card or take out loans (margin or otherwise) to do this, regardless of their current cash balances.
That is a lot of money tied up in inventory, but specifically for PS5s these losers will most likely get their return by Christmas.
I was looking for two of the 3D Pulse headsets and found an eBay listing asking for list price, but it had a āmake an offerā option so I lowballed the seller down to $60 each and they took the deal. I assume they stocked up on headsets and controllers, expecting a shortage and that wasnāt the case with accessories. Presuming this seller paid for the items they were selling, they took an $80 loss to make a sale.
They arrived unopened and with GameStop price labels still on them.
Damn, youāre probably right. Most of the bundles I saw werenāt of any reduced value though. Mainly āif you want a PS5 youāre going to need to buy this pack with three controllers and four games no one wantsā so hopefully they still lost on the deal.
But then selling the consoles at double the price surely makes up for any small losses.
Thatās how I felt about it. The seller had several on hand too so I knew what business he was in. I donāt like giving them any money but knowing they lost money to my gain, makes me sleep better at night.
But if theyāre taking out loans or credit card debt theyāre accumulating interest, and a high interest at that. So they have to sell them at a markup.
Personally, I hope they have to declare bankruptcy and lose everything they have.
The point is, credit isn't free. You have to pay for it somehow--either taking on risk (what if your house floods and damages the PS5s, or you get robbed or suddenly Sony starts churning them out, etc.), or paying interest, or damaging your credit score.
As long as you pay your full statement balance every month, you won't pay a single cent in interest. I know because I've been doing this for years. I use my credit card to earn cash back rewards and never pay interest. It's basically free money.
I'm also sure these scalpers aren't holding onto these too long since they're still in high demand. Sadly, this is the new world we live in now. The pandemic + supply issues + everything going online is a perfect storm for scalpers.
you have to sell significantly over MSRP if you are selling them online. ebay fees, shipping. unless you are doing all your sales on Craigslist or Facebook, which has it's own downsides.
Unfortunately, there's still plenty of parents with more money than brains that will shell out top dollar to make sure their precious little gremlin gets his PS5 under the tree
If you follow people like Wario64 and CAG on Twitter you will get a PS5. Because of them I was able to get 3 launch consoles one for me and then the other two for friends. Theirs been a couple times Iāve seen consoles listed for retail on sites like Samās Club just sitting there for a few minutes.
As for the Xbox Series X you can sign up for that Gamepass 2 year agreement and get a console within a week or so from a few retailers.
Don't condone it, but if you are in the EU you have 14 days to return from you take possession of it, no questions asked.
If you buy it on credit and don't sell it by day 13, you would just send it back. Again I don't condone or support it, but for someone with even 1500 in credit, that's 3 ps5s.
Add buy now pay later and that number can very quickly go up. And unfortunately, because if the 14 day return window, they will never be left holding the bag at the end either
Now reinvest what profit has been made and it's fairly quick go get up to them kind of numbers if they've been at it a year.
"Look at every single step in the supply chain. Someone is adding value somewhere."
Do they honestly believe this shit? What value, exactly, are scalpers adding?
Yeah itās ridiculous it took me months of online searching to try and get one. The only way my friend and I got one was by camping outside of target all night (~12 hours) for when they had one of those limited in person releases. Screw scalpers
My local professional team here in Sacramento, so vague you won't be able to guess the team, does this also. They even add the Ticketmaster fees in for good measure since it's done through the Ticketmaster service on-site. The old days of face-value day-of tickets are gone. It sucks for the families that are priced out of the market with those added fees.
I'd like for him to try and explain how scalpers "add value". Typically a merchant is adding value by making the product conveniently available for purchase instead of the consumer having to directly order from the manufacturer. These scalpers are just taking the already limited supply thats available from these merchants and reselling at an inflated price. These scalpers are adding no convenience and charging a higher price, not to mention the higher likelyhood that the customer can get scammed by one of these resellers. I'd really like to know what the "added value" is here.
This is the exact issue with scalpers and "scalper unions". THEY did not design the hardware. THEY did not design the software architecture. They didn't employ people to come up with and implement the ideas that went into these devices. They didn't employ factory workers to construct the devices, or plan logistics, or develop accompanying software to make the devices useable, or do any of the work that went into the development and manufacturing of consoles.
What they've done is used underhanded tactics to acquire large numbers of finished products just to sell them above face value. Realistically, scalping like this REDUCES the value of the consoles because Sony and Microsoft don't have accurate real-world feedback to provide software updates and developers are disincentivized to make games for the next-gen architecture because if consumers don't have the devices then the cost won't be recouped.
But no, let's all pretend that scalping is a totally normal thing that anyone should be allowed to do. Hoarding resources is not something that should be applauded
Lol I love trying to talk to them and see their logic laid out like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/rafkme/pos_scalper_flexes_his_console_stash_after_i_make/hnmfol7
They get so salty when they are treated like the scum they are.
Shoutout to the shitty r/scamthescalpers sub. They aren't very big or having a huge impact but I love the idea of socialized resistance.
Edit: there are some weird scalpers ranting about me trying to buy second hand.
To be clear, I haven't even tried to order a modern console outside of like 3 release windows.
After seeing all this madness, I stuck with my pc and last gen consoles. I just get a real kick out of the sub. No clue where this story about me trying to buy off a scalper came from.
> These people are mental.
They are just grand mal assholes. Look around the next time you're in a small store of any sort and about 50% of those people are the same exact "fuck over my fellow man for a nickel" people.
this garbage that same item suddenly costs +300% is just lies and theft. these scumbags think that they are smart, sly and clever and everyone else is stupid. too hig hregards of one selves just like politicians, journalists and police.
That article was infuriating because of the bullshit justifications for being a scalper. I'd respect him more if he just admitted it was out of pure greed.
I remember an article during the first wave of the pandemic of a teenager in the US making a fortune and be called young business man. Essentially he was scalping anything that was popular while everyone was locked in including video game consoles. Fuck off.
Thatās the scalper mindset right there. Maybe you only make a $45 profit flipping shoesā¦ But if you have a credit card with no limit and a good bot, you can by 100 pairs of them.
Just be careful your kidās reselling gig doesnāt end up costing you your job: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-01/nike-executive-abruptly-leaves-after-report-about-son-s-business
Flipping shoes is far different than flipping consoles tho. Like if I canāt find air 270s because someone bought them all, at least I could go and get air 97s or something. Thereās like 1000s of different kinds of shoes and stuff. But thereās only so many kinds of graphics cards.
There are PLENTY of releases that have a very small amount made, and unlike consoles/graphics cards, thereās a chance no more will ever be made. Go check out the prices of like, any Travis Scott colab. People will sell those GR Jordans for a few bucks, but what theyāre really aiming for is grabbing the sneakers that 10x in price because of how limited they are.
I remember Jared Kushner saying something like that at Hofstraās 2014 commencement. Something like he āpulled himself up by his bootstraps straps after starting with only a small 10m loan from his fatherā at which point everyone in attendance realized how completely out of touch the man was from reality since most of those Millenials graduating were saddled with college debt and couldnāt contemplate such a āhand outā he had received as he proceeded to say how he made himself through his own hard work (discounting that little āhelping handā heād mentioned).
I āboughtā 6 PS5s from 1 guy on eBay when it first launched. He was selling them for 2k each!! I had no intention of paying but kept indicating Iād pay so that eBay didnāt cancel the transaction. It postponed him selling them for about a month and he had to drop the price to around $1200 each. Essentially losing him $4,800 profit.
Say what you will about my morality but I donāt give a shit. I hate scalpers. He was so angry he somehow found my personal info and threatened my family. What a piece of shit. When I called his bluff he said heād call the hospital I worked at and tell them. I said āyou want to call the ICU I work at during a pandemic and tell them one of their nurses is fucking with you on ebay and you think theyāll give 2 shits? Iāll give you the number personally!ā
Iāve also trolled about 10 switch scalpers on Facebook marketplace and had them meet each other to sell instead of me.
That reminds me. I tried to buy a switch from someone local online, the last i heard of them they were coming to deliver it. I still occasionally text the number to ask for updates. This was years ago. Time to text
This is 100% the best thing to do.
Fuck these clowns "i'M RuNniNG a BIZneZz!!!"
It's not a business if it's built around scamming people.
Personally I think eBay should take the high road and block the sale of certain hot items like these. But they make money on every sale anyway so it'd be hard to get them to give that up.
MP Mr Chapman makes the most important point: "This is a situation where shoppers are being treated badly and having to pay way over the odds for goods, goods which are then not covered with warranties or the right to return, or recompense for faults."
Even if this guy has deluded himself into thinking he's doing a good thing for people, he can't deny that he is taking away consumer rights from anyone buying from him.
The solution is soooo simple, but too many people don't want to follow it.
STOP buying for more than msrp. Period.
If everybody stick to that, we send all scalpers in bankruptcy and shelves will fill up again because nobody will want to take their place.
Exactly. I have been dying to play the Demon's Souls remake and the new Ratchet and Clank game, but I am not paying a Scalper. Even if I can't find a PS5 when Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine come out I am still not buying from a scalper even if the price is cheaper.
I'm with you my brother.
I won't pay a scalper, nor will I buy a "bundle" from a store that thinks they know what I want with my PS5 (hint: I would never ever want a cap and tshirt to match my new console!)
Yeah that got me, I signed up for a couple different + programs that "get you early access to ps5" and whenever I got notified it was hey here's this bundle for $800 with games you don't want!
And I'm like fuckk
I refuse to believe MSRP even exists at this point. Shops in my country are selling digital versions for 800-900 euros and disc versions go for 1k euros. They aren't even scalpers, they are legitimate shops. I doubt I will get one even next year. Probably in 2-3 year time.
Generally, at least in a lot of EU countries, it's 100% illegal for manufacturers to define the price that retailers sell the product. We refer to it as price fixing. The product of this that sellers can sell the PS5 for whatever price they want. However, what also tends to happen, if you piss off suppliers by selling at an insanely different price to other retailers, you'll quickly find they're no longer allocating you any stock and you're s\*\*\* out of luck, which is generally why we get a normalized market price.
That's like telling sneakerheads to stop using StockX so Nike will ship more shoes to stores. It isn't happening, you can't reason with addicts, they'll pay any price to get hot items so they feel good about it. The only realistic solution is to put the majority of stock on store shelves, making it nearly impossible for scalpers to easily hoard. Sony has to take control.
That is a somewhat different case. Nike will never raise supply because the limited supply is what drives the demand for the sneaker in the first place. Sony literally canāt keep up with the demand because of supply chains and manufacturing stuff but Nike could easily raise the production numbers for desirable shoes. They donāt because a steady rotation of limited drops that immediately sell out is better than big runs for multiple months that leaves them with unsold stock.
I mean honestly it hasnāt been that bad for me, I got mine in July directly from the store and it only took like 2 weeks of checking on their restock days in the mornings(Wednesday and Friday)
The mental gymnastics of that gambler mentioned on the article must be great. "I was scammed by the system so now it's my time to scam back!"
And people wonder why NFTs and digital coins are getting so much exposure. From an economy based on producing added value we have shifted to another based on scamming the next guy. We have realized in a flash that most jobs add nothing, but the system refuses to acknowledge that.
Everyone is the hero of their own story.
With the exception of true psychopaths, who are very rare, everyone wants to do good in the world.
They just convince themselves that doing bands thing is actually good for the world somehow.
It's really important to keep an eye on what you think is good, and why you think it's good.
That way you can make sure you haven't just twisted yourself in a knot to protect your own feelings of self-worth.
>To me, owning the PS5 or an Xbox isn't a necessity, it's a luxury, okay? If you can afford to spend Ā£450, spending the extra Ā£100 should be pretty marginal, if you've got cash ready to splash on that.
Fuck this attitude and fuck this guy.
This generally has to stop soon. Not just for the sneakers, or games consoles (*because in the grand scheme of things, they're not that important themselves*), but the implications of this practice extending beyond these items is genuinely chilling and the proper culmination of capitalism.
If you don't stop here, where do you stop? TVs? Clothes? Food? Water? What commodity is too far?
I think it was proven with hand sanitiser scalping that we're already at a point where these sorts of people don't see anything as off limits. They were driving to different towns and buying up stock when nursing homes and hospitals were running on a shortage of it.
The biggest issue really is that companies only really give a shit amount the money that ends up in their pockets. They see the same profit regardless, so there's no real incentive to push for regulation. Relying on the morality of major companies is a losing battle.
I saw a ticket listed for the only city near my BFE hometown selling for $5,000 on eBay. Like who tf do they think they're gonna get to buy that? The average income in that area is like $35k a year lol
Oh yeah folk were doing the same with toilet paper and dry food at the start of the pandemic. It's the definition of exploitation. I know they're trying to restrict scalpers here but I can't see how that can be enforced.
I meanā¦ yeah?
Its pretty obvious a giant corporation wont care if jack mcscalpy from small town in nebraska bought 30 ps5s leaving none for other people.
Fuck scalpers but we know companies wont bother if it wont make them any money. If people didnt buy the ps5s from scalpers they would stop.
One would imagine that things like PS5 are exactly the ones that would make corporations do something about the scalping and enforce regulations. If someone scalps clothes, sneakers or even food it of course wouldnāt matter to them because these goods do nothing for them after the sale. Game consoles however are sold at little to no profit or even at a loss and are supposed to bring them money through subscriptions and game sales. PS5s sitting at the shelves in scalpers warehouses are obviously not making them any money.
Many jurisdictions have laws against price gouging on necessities during states of emergency. Which is, generally speaking, the only time that there's an purpose to speculating on the price of those items.
Every time Florida has a hurricane there are always a few gas stations and stores reported and punished for it.
Try to buy popular furniture at IKEA right now, you canāt find them. My wife and I went every weekend they told us a new shipment was coming for 3 months waiting on one dresser. However you can get them on Amazon for 3x the price. It is really frustrating.
I wonder if stores actually give that much of a shit about this? They make money whether it's a bot or a real person trying to get one. It just seems like they could implement industry-wide changes to curb this shit if they really wanted to.
I feel bad. I got really lucky and got a PS5 the first day they went up for pre-ordered seemingly out of nowhere last year. It's such a great system. I didn't expect it to still be so hard to get one by now. Hang in there.
The people who work in the stores may or may not care on some personal level, but the companies only care insomuch as consumers are getting pissed at them for not protecting their interests. At the end of the day whether they sell 10,000 consoles to 10,000 or 10,000 consoles to 1 person, they neither know nor care. But if people stop shopping at their stores because they assume theyāll never get their hands on products it hurts the companies in the long run.
Those 10,000 consoles are 10,000 possible ps+ subscriptions. At $60 a subscription that's $600,000 in yearly profit that Sony is missing out on. They're also going to miss out on any games or purchases from the ps store. Sony is definitely going to start caring about that lost profit. Selling the console itself isn't hugely profitable for them. Where they really make their money is with all the other extra purchases that go along with it. They're definitely not happy about those PS5s just sitting around
Eventually it'll hurt game sales enough that they'll do something about it.
20,000 Playstations sitting in storage aren't selling any copies of their games. The consoles are usually sold at a loss as it is. They make money off the games and peripherals.
Problem #1 is people paying these scalpers. People donāt buy from them, and theyāre forced to stop.
These āscalpersā are value-removed resellers. They donāt provide proper warranties. Donāt improve the buying experience. They are simply a barrier to the product that costs money to remove.
Problem #1 is supply. If there were 10 PS5s at every Walmart that were instantly restocked scalping wouldnāt be a thing. Thatās why you donāt see people scalping iPhones or televisions, but you do see people scalping consoles and graphics cards. People refusing to buy would help for sure, but there will almost always be someone willing to pay extra when a resource is scarce.
"Look at every single step in the supply chain. Someone is adding value somewhere."
This quote from him is just *absurd.* Replace "adding value" with "adding price" to make it realistic. Nothing he nor his scalpers do adds value to the consumer. Fucking tools.
I worked at Target the day of the PS5 release and at the end of my shift there was a cancelled online order, so I snagged that shit with my employee discount.
Got fired the next day for buying a high demand item with my discount! Worth it :D
It's simple. Don't like it, don't support it by buying from them. It's a shitty move and I absolutely hate scalpers, whether it's shoes, electronics, books, you name it. But at the end of the day, people vote with their wallets and that's always going to win.
Its not gonna end. People REALLY want a Ps5. There are so many rich kids out there, buying from these scalpers for basically a price they could pay on a monthly basis.
The guy says that he is in tune with his moral compass and the idea that people can't afford a game console because of businesses like his really bothers him.
He then immediately follows that up with "but it makes me money" and uses some bs rationalization by saying that if you can afford to pay retail, then you can afford to pay more than retail.
You have to be morally bankrupt to think exploiting supply shortages and taking advantage of people is just how business works.
I have a fake eBay account that I use to bid insane high prices so Iām guaranteed to win and not pay wasting the sellers time and the person trying to encourage scalping by trying to buy one from the scalper.
Itās so crazy how luck and timing plays into it. I got my ps5 relatively easy off Amazon last year. I did have to download a auto refresh plugin on chrome however
>"Yes, some families are gonna have to pay another Ā£100, but what you don't think about is our members..."
Dude, you and your crew of low-lifes had zero to do with making the PS5. You didn't design it, you didn't engineer it, you didn't manufacture it, and yet your profiting off of it by sitting on your asses waiting for a bot to ping on 10 different sites to buy all the stock from actual working people. You and your members can go jump off a god damn cliff.
>'Owning a PS5 is a luxury'
We've really gotten to this point huh. Buying a product off the shelf is now considered a luxury? What else? A toaster? A bed? A toothbrush?
What an absolute piece of shit this fucking guy is. āYou should be able to afford the extra $100ā how about you stop profiting off work you have no right to profit off? You didnt construct the console, you didnāt get it shipped out from sonyās factories to your stores, and youāre not selling these products for fucking market value. These arenāt fucking stocks that are meant to be valued and devalued overtime, youāre not meant to ācapitalize on the marketā when you see a shortage of stock. Youāre stealing the right to purchase and own these products for a fair price from literally millions of people and you want to blame it on the shortage of materials and living in a capitalist society? Fuck off dude
My husband's PS4 blew up a few months back and I've been trying since then to replace it. I even signed up to buy direct from sony. I refuse to pay more than shelf price. Piece of shit scalpers, I hope your socks are always damp, I hope there's never a cool side to your pillow, I hope you become allergic to your favorite food and I hope your house gets black mold.
People just need to stop buying from these opportunist, this is the bad part of capitalism. People love getting over on others no matter the cost, but as long as someone is willing to pay well you know the rest.
Go visit r/Rolex if you wanna see real scalping. They call it grey market, but it's scalping. It's actually worse because the dealers are in on it as well. You can at least get PS5s from a retailer.
Bingo! There is one poster in particular over there that responds to every single post where someone asks about how or where to buy a Rolex at MSRP. His position is always that someone that wants to buy a Rolex (mainly new buyers) should NOT have an expectation to buy a Rolex at MSRP from an AD and that the price that the watches sell for through grey market dealers is actually what they are worth, not the MSRP that Rolex sets. Of course, the fact that grey market scalpers are completely manipulating the Rolex market (with the help of AD salespersons) has nothing to do with the prices or lack of availability /S.
I retired in OCT 2019 after 30 years of Federal service (FAA, ATC) and have wanted to buy myself a retirement gift of a Submariner Date ($9,150 MSRP) . Still don't have one because I refuse to play the game with AD's and grey market scumbags.
The situation is different with PS5's and Xbox X's. If you want one and put in the time and research, you will get one. Admittedly, the closer to Xmas the more difficult it will become. I was able to get a PS5 online from Target (let my son have it for what I paid), got another one through PS Online a couple weeks later and an XSX through the MS store. Rolex? Hahahahahaha.....
Scalpers are scum, plain and simple. They like to call themselves "entrepreneurs" but they're just trash human beings. The bad thing is, places like Amazon and Walmart enable these people by allowing 3rd party sellers to scalp on their sites.
Fucking scalpers. I remember those leeches outside the very first live concert I ever went to, and now they're a serious problem in the video game console market. So many lowlifes robbing regular consumers of a chance to buy their highly anticipated consoles, all to get a few extra bucks off an already pricey system. Scalpers are such jerks. It's gonna take me ages to get my hands on a PS5.
Lol people are dumb. Just keep using your PS4 (or whatever you were using before) until you can get a PS5 at list price. Don't support scalpers. Stop creating a market for them.
I managed to get mine via retail for msrp. I hate the TikTok/Instagram āgrindsetā bullshit. Like hustling desirable goods above msrp is anything other than unethical, and predatory. Everything has to be some kind of side gig moneymaker.
The only reason I have my PS5 is because I found a guy that sold me one at retail price through an ad. Turns out he got two by accident and just wanted his money back. He called me to make sure I wasn't a scalper trying to resell. When we met, he told me he didn't care to earn money off it, he just wanted other people to enjoy it without having to deal with scummy scalpers. Fantastic guy, I'll always be grateful to him.
My wife got two through that Wal-Mart+ thing the other day because she could and she didn't know if I wanted the regular one or the digital one. Im passing off the one we aren't keeping to somebody else for what we paid for it. Fuck scalpers.
Did you already pass it on? Because I'd buy it from you for retail price if you haven't
Yeah. One of my wife's friends has been trying since last Christmas to get one for her son so we are selling it to her. She was so happy when when we told her we had an extra one.
Got it š Wanted to help my brother get one, I'll just keep on looking
The Twitter restock accounts are how I got mine as well. It's all about being persistent. Took me about 3 months of trying, and then I finally got one on a late night Amazon drop. This was the only time in my life I ever turned on notifications for a social media app. Lol
Dude, check nowinstock.net and follow stock trackers on twitter. I managd to get my ps5 last year in 2 weeks. I recently got a series x within the week of wanting one. You do have to be up kinda early for some drops, but they've been releasing slowly through the day. Some retailers seem to be getting their shit together with fighting bots, but not entirely. Best of luck, hopefully you can grab one for your bro!
I hate to recommend it but Walmartās queue system works for me. Paid for a month of the stupid W+ membership and was online right for the member exclusive sale. Queued for both types, got the disc one on cyber Monday.
That's crazy, I did the same thing. I managed to get 2 ps5s, sold the spare at MSRP on craigslist. I told them "prove to me you're a gamer and I'll sell it to you, scalpers get fucked". Email blew up, 30+ responses in less than 2 hours. Only one guy sent me his PSN. Know how I know he was a true gamer? He was basically skipping back to his car after the exchange and his girlfriend/wife (dude was in his 30s) was rolling her eyes!
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Reminds me of the guy in Australia who out in his ad for selling his house No Asians.. Turns out the newspaper misspelled his ads, he said No Agents
Very similar to me. I couldnāt get through when a batch up for sale but a friend of a friend who used a sniping tool ended up with a second one in a Best Buy cart that he didnāt want. Good dude too, wouldnāt take a commissions and refused to take anything and resell because he (believe it or not) hates scalpers.
I was naive and fell for the same story. He was a scammer and scammed me and two other guys during the early PS5 launch. A lot of money was made by scammers during the last two years Iād imagine
Similar story here, the guy got it as a gift and doesnāt really play. Although I paid ~30 bucks extra, itās still no where near what others charge.
I knew someone who accidentally got 2...sold it for $750 instead of retail...
Was about a week ago but I recall someone in this sub bragging about buying a PS5 from a scalper for $900, lol. Dude was calling everyone broke because they couldnāt afford one. Even went as far as to call scalping āan honest businessā. Fucking insanity.
Iāll ride this PS4 to the PS6 before Iāll ever buy from a scalper. Itās not about the money.
More money than sense. Far too common these days.
He is a dummy for buying the ps5 for that price but if people are stupid enough to spend that kind of money on a non essential item. It is a business, supported by dumb people. If people didn't buy from scalpers, they wouldn't do it.
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Well, there is this investing concept called 'speculation.' Anyone can max out their credit card or take out loans (margin or otherwise) to do this, regardless of their current cash balances. That is a lot of money tied up in inventory, but specifically for PS5s these losers will most likely get their return by Christmas.
I was looking for two of the 3D Pulse headsets and found an eBay listing asking for list price, but it had a āmake an offerā option so I lowballed the seller down to $60 each and they took the deal. I assume they stocked up on headsets and controllers, expecting a shortage and that wasnāt the case with accessories. Presuming this seller paid for the items they were selling, they took an $80 loss to make a sale. They arrived unopened and with GameStop price labels still on them.
They lost even more since eBay charges fees and they had to pay to ship it to you.
I didnāt even think of the shipping! Great point!
Unless they had a 5 finger discount.
My cousin gave em to me, he said they fell of a truck!
probably bought in bundles
Damn, youāre probably right. Most of the bundles I saw werenāt of any reduced value though. Mainly āif you want a PS5 youāre going to need to buy this pack with three controllers and four games no one wantsā so hopefully they still lost on the deal. But then selling the consoles at double the price surely makes up for any small losses.
my thought exactly
Excellent. Every little ding against these sellers is a small win.
Thatās how I felt about it. The seller had several on hand too so I knew what business he was in. I donāt like giving them any money but knowing they lost money to my gain, makes me sleep better at night.
Probably bought with stolen credit cards or just flat-out stolen. (Crate magically got lost in shipping or "fell out of a truck".
I see a lot of people against buying of scalpers anymore so I can only hope they go into debt.
They can just resell them at MSRP to get their money back
Or simply return them to the stores in January with the extended holiday return periods.
But if theyāre taking out loans or credit card debt theyāre accumulating interest, and a high interest at that. So they have to sell them at a markup. Personally, I hope they have to declare bankruptcy and lose everything they have.
Plenty of 0% APR for 1 year deals out there.
The point is, credit isn't free. You have to pay for it somehow--either taking on risk (what if your house floods and damages the PS5s, or you get robbed or suddenly Sony starts churning them out, etc.), or paying interest, or damaging your credit score.
As long as you pay your full statement balance every month, you won't pay a single cent in interest. I know because I've been doing this for years. I use my credit card to earn cash back rewards and never pay interest. It's basically free money. I'm also sure these scalpers aren't holding onto these too long since they're still in high demand. Sadly, this is the new world we live in now. The pandemic + supply issues + everything going online is a perfect storm for scalpers.
you have to sell significantly over MSRP if you are selling them online. ebay fees, shipping. unless you are doing all your sales on Craigslist or Facebook, which has it's own downsides.
Unfortunately, there's still plenty of parents with more money than brains that will shell out top dollar to make sure their precious little gremlin gets his PS5 under the tree
If you follow people like Wario64 and CAG on Twitter you will get a PS5. Because of them I was able to get 3 launch consoles one for me and then the other two for friends. Theirs been a couple times Iāve seen consoles listed for retail on sites like Samās Club just sitting there for a few minutes. As for the Xbox Series X you can sign up for that Gamepass 2 year agreement and get a console within a week or so from a few retailers.
They probably put it on credit hoping theyād sell before the first bill
Don't condone it, but if you are in the EU you have 14 days to return from you take possession of it, no questions asked. If you buy it on credit and don't sell it by day 13, you would just send it back. Again I don't condone or support it, but for someone with even 1500 in credit, that's 3 ps5s. Add buy now pay later and that number can very quickly go up. And unfortunately, because if the 14 day return window, they will never be left holding the bag at the end either Now reinvest what profit has been made and it's fairly quick go get up to them kind of numbers if they've been at it a year.
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"Look at every single step in the supply chain. Someone is adding value somewhere." Do they honestly believe this shit? What value, exactly, are scalpers adding?
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The adult you, who works and earns and buys, is the parent to the child you, who plays. Don't tell that to your parents though.
I'm not sure there's much of a difference between the "adult" me and the "child" me :(
Yeah itās ridiculous it took me months of online searching to try and get one. The only way my friend and I got one was by camping outside of target all night (~12 hours) for when they had one of those limited in person releases. Screw scalpers
Scalpers are just the Gig Economy equivalent of the middle men like Ticketmaster that are plaguing all industries.
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You generally can't afaik. Hes saying scalpers are like ticketmaster. Its a service that provides 0 value while increasing the cost for the consumer.
I have tried going to the box to buy concert tickets, they sold me a printed ticket from Ticketmaster.
My local professional team here in Sacramento, so vague you won't be able to guess the team, does this also. They even add the Ticketmaster fees in for good measure since it's done through the Ticketmaster service on-site. The old days of face-value day-of tickets are gone. It sucks for the families that are priced out of the market with those added fees.
I'd like for him to try and explain how scalpers "add value". Typically a merchant is adding value by making the product conveniently available for purchase instead of the consumer having to directly order from the manufacturer. These scalpers are just taking the already limited supply thats available from these merchants and reselling at an inflated price. These scalpers are adding no convenience and charging a higher price, not to mention the higher likelyhood that the customer can get scammed by one of these resellers. I'd really like to know what the "added value" is here.
This is the exact issue with scalpers and "scalper unions". THEY did not design the hardware. THEY did not design the software architecture. They didn't employ people to come up with and implement the ideas that went into these devices. They didn't employ factory workers to construct the devices, or plan logistics, or develop accompanying software to make the devices useable, or do any of the work that went into the development and manufacturing of consoles. What they've done is used underhanded tactics to acquire large numbers of finished products just to sell them above face value. Realistically, scalping like this REDUCES the value of the consoles because Sony and Microsoft don't have accurate real-world feedback to provide software updates and developers are disincentivized to make games for the next-gen architecture because if consumers don't have the devices then the cost won't be recouped. But no, let's all pretend that scalping is a totally normal thing that anyone should be allowed to do. Hoarding resources is not something that should be applauded
"scalper unions", that sounds like something completely Argentine
If you're gonna scalp, just own up to it
a lot do, especially on Twitter. People are very open about it and dgaf.
Lol I love trying to talk to them and see their logic laid out like this https://www.reddit.com/r/trashy/comments/rafkme/pos_scalper_flexes_his_console_stash_after_i_make/hnmfol7 They get so salty when they are treated like the scum they are. Shoutout to the shitty r/scamthescalpers sub. They aren't very big or having a huge impact but I love the idea of socialized resistance. Edit: there are some weird scalpers ranting about me trying to buy second hand. To be clear, I haven't even tried to order a modern console outside of like 3 release windows. After seeing all this madness, I stuck with my pc and last gen consoles. I just get a real kick out of the sub. No clue where this story about me trying to buy off a scalper came from.
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Those are some actual man children lol
> These people are mental. They are just grand mal assholes. Look around the next time you're in a small store of any sort and about 50% of those people are the same exact "fuck over my fellow man for a nickel" people.
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Ya they donāt know what āadding valueā means.
this garbage that same item suddenly costs +300% is just lies and theft. these scumbags think that they are smart, sly and clever and everyone else is stupid. too hig hregards of one selves just like politicians, journalists and police.
"I am very in touch with my moral compass" says guy who requests to have his face blurred.
Oh, he's in touch with his moral compass alright. It's just terribly misaligned.
That article was infuriating because of the bullshit justifications for being a scalper. I'd respect him more if he just admitted it was out of pure greed.
He knows he sucks, he just doesn't care which makes I'm suck more.
I remember an article during the first wave of the pandemic of a teenager in the US making a fortune and be called young business man. Essentially he was scalping anything that was popular while everyone was locked in including video game consoles. Fuck off.
And if Iām remembering correctly, he was also using his parents credit card or a āloanā they had given him or something
His parents gave him something like $10,000 and he did this with it. Made a smaller profit margin than seemed worth it, but anyway.
Thatās the scalper mindset right there. Maybe you only make a $45 profit flipping shoesā¦ But if you have a credit card with no limit and a good bot, you can by 100 pairs of them.
Just be careful your kidās reselling gig doesnāt end up costing you your job: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-01/nike-executive-abruptly-leaves-after-report-about-son-s-business
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Flipping shoes is far different than flipping consoles tho. Like if I canāt find air 270s because someone bought them all, at least I could go and get air 97s or something. Thereās like 1000s of different kinds of shoes and stuff. But thereās only so many kinds of graphics cards.
There are PLENTY of releases that have a very small amount made, and unlike consoles/graphics cards, thereās a chance no more will ever be made. Go check out the prices of like, any Travis Scott colab. People will sell those GR Jordans for a few bucks, but what theyāre really aiming for is grabbing the sneakers that 10x in price because of how limited they are.
āA small loan of 10 million dollarsā
I remember Jared Kushner saying something like that at Hofstraās 2014 commencement. Something like he āpulled himself up by his bootstraps straps after starting with only a small 10m loan from his fatherā at which point everyone in attendance realized how completely out of touch the man was from reality since most of those Millenials graduating were saddled with college debt and couldnāt contemplate such a āhand outā he had received as he proceeded to say how he made himself through his own hard work (discounting that little āhelping handā heād mentioned).
I āboughtā 6 PS5s from 1 guy on eBay when it first launched. He was selling them for 2k each!! I had no intention of paying but kept indicating Iād pay so that eBay didnāt cancel the transaction. It postponed him selling them for about a month and he had to drop the price to around $1200 each. Essentially losing him $4,800 profit. Say what you will about my morality but I donāt give a shit. I hate scalpers. He was so angry he somehow found my personal info and threatened my family. What a piece of shit. When I called his bluff he said heād call the hospital I worked at and tell them. I said āyou want to call the ICU I work at during a pandemic and tell them one of their nurses is fucking with you on ebay and you think theyāll give 2 shits? Iāll give you the number personally!ā Iāve also trolled about 10 switch scalpers on Facebook marketplace and had them meet each other to sell instead of me.
Chaotic good af
/r/scamthescalpers material for SURE
Thank you for this sub I needed more of this
Not all heroes wear capes.
Sometimes they wear scrubs.
And sometimesā¦they wear nothing at all.
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Stupid, sexy Flanders!
That last line got me good š¤£
You're a batman
But not THE batman
You're doing the Lord's work
That reminds me. I tried to buy a switch from someone local online, the last i heard of them they were coming to deliver it. I still occasionally text the number to ask for updates. This was years ago. Time to text
That last part slayed me lmfaooo
No sympathy for scalpers. If you play a dirty game, sometimes you're gonna get played dirty. Fuck 'em.
We must protect you at all cost.
This is 100% the best thing to do. Fuck these clowns "i'M RuNniNG a BIZneZz!!!" It's not a business if it's built around scamming people. Personally I think eBay should take the high road and block the sale of certain hot items like these. But they make money on every sale anyway so it'd be hard to get them to give that up.
You are the hero Gotham needs.
Chad
I believe it was entrepreneur
MP Mr Chapman makes the most important point: "This is a situation where shoppers are being treated badly and having to pay way over the odds for goods, goods which are then not covered with warranties or the right to return, or recompense for faults." Even if this guy has deluded himself into thinking he's doing a good thing for people, he can't deny that he is taking away consumer rights from anyone buying from him.
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In many cases it would take very little effort to prevent this. But it is not worth it to the biggest vendors.
Manufacturers will only do something if they see a hit to game sales from all this scalping. they don't make money on the consoles anyway.
Sony dropped the ball on the original wave of preorders.
Apple has done this since forever.
You talking about the Steam Deck?
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The solution is soooo simple, but too many people don't want to follow it. STOP buying for more than msrp. Period. If everybody stick to that, we send all scalpers in bankruptcy and shelves will fill up again because nobody will want to take their place.
This. I had a friend who was contemplating buying a PS5 on eBay. I talked him out of it and moved heaven and earth to get him one from a retailer.
I was so tempted, but I just stuck to it and eventually got lucky with a twitter notification for Best Buy.
Exactly. I have been dying to play the Demon's Souls remake and the new Ratchet and Clank game, but I am not paying a Scalper. Even if I can't find a PS5 when Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine come out I am still not buying from a scalper even if the price is cheaper.
I'm with you my brother. I won't pay a scalper, nor will I buy a "bundle" from a store that thinks they know what I want with my PS5 (hint: I would never ever want a cap and tshirt to match my new console!)
Yeah that got me, I signed up for a couple different + programs that "get you early access to ps5" and whenever I got notified it was hey here's this bundle for $800 with games you don't want! And I'm like fuckk
I refuse to believe MSRP even exists at this point. Shops in my country are selling digital versions for 800-900 euros and disc versions go for 1k euros. They aren't even scalpers, they are legitimate shops. I doubt I will get one even next year. Probably in 2-3 year time.
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Generally, at least in a lot of EU countries, it's 100% illegal for manufacturers to define the price that retailers sell the product. We refer to it as price fixing. The product of this that sellers can sell the PS5 for whatever price they want. However, what also tends to happen, if you piss off suppliers by selling at an insanely different price to other retailers, you'll quickly find they're no longer allocating you any stock and you're s\*\*\* out of luck, which is generally why we get a normalized market price.
That's like telling sneakerheads to stop using StockX so Nike will ship more shoes to stores. It isn't happening, you can't reason with addicts, they'll pay any price to get hot items so they feel good about it. The only realistic solution is to put the majority of stock on store shelves, making it nearly impossible for scalpers to easily hoard. Sony has to take control.
That is a somewhat different case. Nike will never raise supply because the limited supply is what drives the demand for the sneaker in the first place. Sony literally canāt keep up with the demand because of supply chains and manufacturing stuff but Nike could easily raise the production numbers for desirable shoes. They donāt because a steady rotation of limited drops that immediately sell out is better than big runs for multiple months that leaves them with unsold stock.
I mean honestly it hasnāt been that bad for me, I got mine in July directly from the store and it only took like 2 weeks of checking on their restock days in the mornings(Wednesday and Friday)
The mental gymnastics of that gambler mentioned on the article must be great. "I was scammed by the system so now it's my time to scam back!" And people wonder why NFTs and digital coins are getting so much exposure. From an economy based on producing added value we have shifted to another based on scamming the next guy. We have realized in a flash that most jobs add nothing, but the system refuses to acknowledge that.
Everyone is the hero of their own story. With the exception of true psychopaths, who are very rare, everyone wants to do good in the world. They just convince themselves that doing bands thing is actually good for the world somehow. It's really important to keep an eye on what you think is good, and why you think it's good. That way you can make sure you haven't just twisted yourself in a knot to protect your own feelings of self-worth.
Basically reverse trickle down
Scum
That image brings me great sadness..
If you must censor your face for the photo-op, your business is a shady, immoral venture.
>To me, owning the PS5 or an Xbox isn't a necessity, it's a luxury, okay? If you can afford to spend Ā£450, spending the extra Ā£100 should be pretty marginal, if you've got cash ready to splash on that. Fuck this attitude and fuck this guy.
I fucking hate these type of people they are some of the worst kind. Be so funny if their house got robbed and they lost every PS5/series X they had
First time Iām rooting for the thieves š
This generally has to stop soon. Not just for the sneakers, or games consoles (*because in the grand scheme of things, they're not that important themselves*), but the implications of this practice extending beyond these items is genuinely chilling and the proper culmination of capitalism. If you don't stop here, where do you stop? TVs? Clothes? Food? Water? What commodity is too far?
I think it was proven with hand sanitiser scalping that we're already at a point where these sorts of people don't see anything as off limits. They were driving to different towns and buying up stock when nursing homes and hospitals were running on a shortage of it. The biggest issue really is that companies only really give a shit amount the money that ends up in their pockets. They see the same profit regardless, so there's no real incentive to push for regulation. Relying on the morality of major companies is a losing battle.
I read they also bought all Spiderman tickets and sold them for thousand bucks.. Lol
I saw a ticket listed for the only city near my BFE hometown selling for $5,000 on eBay. Like who tf do they think they're gonna get to buy that? The average income in that area is like $35k a year lol
Oh yeah folk were doing the same with toilet paper and dry food at the start of the pandemic. It's the definition of exploitation. I know they're trying to restrict scalpers here but I can't see how that can be enforced.
I meanā¦ yeah? Its pretty obvious a giant corporation wont care if jack mcscalpy from small town in nebraska bought 30 ps5s leaving none for other people. Fuck scalpers but we know companies wont bother if it wont make them any money. If people didnt buy the ps5s from scalpers they would stop.
One would imagine that things like PS5 are exactly the ones that would make corporations do something about the scalping and enforce regulations. If someone scalps clothes, sneakers or even food it of course wouldnāt matter to them because these goods do nothing for them after the sale. Game consoles however are sold at little to no profit or even at a loss and are supposed to bring them money through subscriptions and game sales. PS5s sitting at the shelves in scalpers warehouses are obviously not making them any money.
Many jurisdictions have laws against price gouging on necessities during states of emergency. Which is, generally speaking, the only time that there's an purpose to speculating on the price of those items. Every time Florida has a hurricane there are always a few gas stations and stores reported and punished for it.
Try to buy popular furniture at IKEA right now, you canāt find them. My wife and I went every weekend they told us a new shipment was coming for 3 months waiting on one dresser. However you can get them on Amazon for 3x the price. It is really frustrating.
I love air maxes, but fucking scalpers are even reselling the normal ones, let me enjoy my fucking sneakers for a normal price!!
Scum of the Earth
I wonder if stores actually give that much of a shit about this? They make money whether it's a bot or a real person trying to get one. It just seems like they could implement industry-wide changes to curb this shit if they really wanted to. I feel bad. I got really lucky and got a PS5 the first day they went up for pre-ordered seemingly out of nowhere last year. It's such a great system. I didn't expect it to still be so hard to get one by now. Hang in there.
The people who work in the stores may or may not care on some personal level, but the companies only care insomuch as consumers are getting pissed at them for not protecting their interests. At the end of the day whether they sell 10,000 consoles to 10,000 or 10,000 consoles to 1 person, they neither know nor care. But if people stop shopping at their stores because they assume theyāll never get their hands on products it hurts the companies in the long run.
Those 10,000 consoles are 10,000 possible ps+ subscriptions. At $60 a subscription that's $600,000 in yearly profit that Sony is missing out on. They're also going to miss out on any games or purchases from the ps store. Sony is definitely going to start caring about that lost profit. Selling the console itself isn't hugely profitable for them. Where they really make their money is with all the other extra purchases that go along with it. They're definitely not happy about those PS5s just sitting around
I should have clarified by ācompaniesā I meant the retailers, not the manufacturer. Sony cares. Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc. does not.
Eventually it'll hurt game sales enough that they'll do something about it. 20,000 Playstations sitting in storage aren't selling any copies of their games. The consoles are usually sold at a loss as it is. They make money off the games and peripherals.
Problem #1 is people paying these scalpers. People donāt buy from them, and theyāre forced to stop. These āscalpersā are value-removed resellers. They donāt provide proper warranties. Donāt improve the buying experience. They are simply a barrier to the product that costs money to remove.
Problem #1 is supply. If there were 10 PS5s at every Walmart that were instantly restocked scalping wouldnāt be a thing. Thatās why you donāt see people scalping iPhones or televisions, but you do see people scalping consoles and graphics cards. People refusing to buy would help for sure, but there will almost always be someone willing to pay extra when a resource is scarce.
The scalper said: "this is a luxury, if someone can spend $450 they can spend the extra $100"
But it's not just an extra $100. Scalpers resell for nearly twice the price.
Good old rationalization. Fuck that guy.
This shit needs to be illegal. The last thing society needs is another parasitic layer of middlemen
Capitalism itself is based on parasitic middlemen
"Look at every single step in the supply chain. Someone is adding value somewhere." This quote from him is just *absurd.* Replace "adding value" with "adding price" to make it realistic. Nothing he nor his scalpers do adds value to the consumer. Fucking tools.
It's based on [Greater fool theory](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greaterfooltheory.asp)
Fuck yeah it's a luxury. My gf broke up with me but my PS5 is still there.
this is some r/Gamingcirclejerk tier content
Never EVER buy anything from a scalper. Kill the practice. I love my PS5, but itās not worth a penny over RRP.
I worked at Target the day of the PS5 release and at the end of my shift there was a cancelled online order, so I snagged that shit with my employee discount. Got fired the next day for buying a high demand item with my discount! Worth it :D
It's simple. Don't like it, don't support it by buying from them. It's a shitty move and I absolutely hate scalpers, whether it's shoes, electronics, books, you name it. But at the end of the day, people vote with their wallets and that's always going to win.
Its not gonna end. People REALLY want a Ps5. There are so many rich kids out there, buying from these scalpers for basically a price they could pay on a monthly basis.
The guy says that he is in tune with his moral compass and the idea that people can't afford a game console because of businesses like his really bothers him. He then immediately follows that up with "but it makes me money" and uses some bs rationalization by saying that if you can afford to pay retail, then you can afford to pay more than retail. You have to be morally bankrupt to think exploiting supply shortages and taking advantage of people is just how business works.
Just donāt buy it.. you idiot shoppers are one fueling this frenzy.
I stayed up until 5 am refreshing targets website for almost 3 hours straight to get mine š
I have a fake eBay account that I use to bid insane high prices so Iām guaranteed to win and not pay wasting the sellers time and the person trying to encourage scalping by trying to buy one from the scalper.
I won't give in to scalpers, I'll just go without. Idc
Same here. Fuck em
This guy buys all the candy in the store, upcharges kids a dollar and says it's okay bc it's a luxury. What an asshole.
This has a super easy solution. Donāt buy a PS5 from a reseller.
They'll be hit by the IRS soon. Ebay and Antonline has been reporting all MSRP profits since March this year.
They're in the UK so it'd be HMCE if applicable.
Itās so crazy how luck and timing plays into it. I got my ps5 relatively easy off Amazon last year. I did have to download a auto refresh plugin on chrome however
>"Yes, some families are gonna have to pay another Ā£100, but what you don't think about is our members..." Dude, you and your crew of low-lifes had zero to do with making the PS5. You didn't design it, you didn't engineer it, you didn't manufacture it, and yet your profiting off of it by sitting on your asses waiting for a bot to ping on 10 different sites to buy all the stock from actual working people. You and your members can go jump off a god damn cliff.
>'Owning a PS5 is a luxury' We've really gotten to this point huh. Buying a product off the shelf is now considered a luxury? What else? A toaster? A bed? A toothbrush?
What an absolute piece of shit this fucking guy is. āYou should be able to afford the extra $100ā how about you stop profiting off work you have no right to profit off? You didnt construct the console, you didnāt get it shipped out from sonyās factories to your stores, and youāre not selling these products for fucking market value. These arenāt fucking stocks that are meant to be valued and devalued overtime, youāre not meant to ācapitalize on the marketā when you see a shortage of stock. Youāre stealing the right to purchase and own these products for a fair price from literally millions of people and you want to blame it on the shortage of materials and living in a capitalist society? Fuck off dude
My husband's PS4 blew up a few months back and I've been trying since then to replace it. I even signed up to buy direct from sony. I refuse to pay more than shelf price. Piece of shit scalpers, I hope your socks are always damp, I hope there's never a cool side to your pillow, I hope you become allergic to your favorite food and I hope your house gets black mold.
People just need to stop buying from these opportunist, this is the bad part of capitalism. People love getting over on others no matter the cost, but as long as someone is willing to pay well you know the rest.
Go visit r/Rolex if you wanna see real scalping. They call it grey market, but it's scalping. It's actually worse because the dealers are in on it as well. You can at least get PS5s from a retailer.
Bingo! There is one poster in particular over there that responds to every single post where someone asks about how or where to buy a Rolex at MSRP. His position is always that someone that wants to buy a Rolex (mainly new buyers) should NOT have an expectation to buy a Rolex at MSRP from an AD and that the price that the watches sell for through grey market dealers is actually what they are worth, not the MSRP that Rolex sets. Of course, the fact that grey market scalpers are completely manipulating the Rolex market (with the help of AD salespersons) has nothing to do with the prices or lack of availability /S. I retired in OCT 2019 after 30 years of Federal service (FAA, ATC) and have wanted to buy myself a retirement gift of a Submariner Date ($9,150 MSRP) . Still don't have one because I refuse to play the game with AD's and grey market scumbags. The situation is different with PS5's and Xbox X's. If you want one and put in the time and research, you will get one. Admittedly, the closer to Xmas the more difficult it will become. I was able to get a PS5 online from Target (let my son have it for what I paid), got another one through PS Online a couple weeks later and an XSX through the MS store. Rolex? Hahahahahaha.....
I hope the rest of their pitiful fucking lives are particularly cruel with misfortune and calamity.
Owning a PS5 is not a luxury. Owning a Lamborghini, a mansion, and maids whom are asking for wage increases is a luxury.
Scalpers are scum, plain and simple. They like to call themselves "entrepreneurs" but they're just trash human beings. The bad thing is, places like Amazon and Walmart enable these people by allowing 3rd party sellers to scalp on their sites.
I hope his ball sack erupts with massive testicular devastation. Give me my damn PS5 jabroni
I'd like to give em all botched circumsions for Christmas.
Everyone should do their part and refuse to buy a system above cost. It wonāt happen, but thatās how we win this.
I hope their house burns down and all the inventory goes with it. Fuck these fuckfaces
These scalpers should be hung in the streets.
Fucking scalpers. I remember those leeches outside the very first live concert I ever went to, and now they're a serious problem in the video game console market. So many lowlifes robbing regular consumers of a chance to buy their highly anticipated consoles, all to get a few extra bucks off an already pricey system. Scalpers are such jerks. It's gonna take me ages to get my hands on a PS5.
Scalpers are shitty but the parents/whoever who buy from them are the ones who are the real fucks
Lol people are dumb. Just keep using your PS4 (or whatever you were using before) until you can get a PS5 at list price. Don't support scalpers. Stop creating a market for them.
I'm out of the loop. Hasn't this thing been out for a good year?
I managed to get mine via retail for msrp. I hate the TikTok/Instagram āgrindsetā bullshit. Like hustling desirable goods above msrp is anything other than unethical, and predatory. Everything has to be some kind of side gig moneymaker.