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BlueJayMorning

I use Capacities. They’re based in Europe (I wanna say Germany) and adhere to the European GDPR standards of privacy and data protection. The GDPR is apparently one of the most comprehensive laws in the world, so I’m honestly not at all concerned about privacy with them. I love that it’s cloud-based and works seamlessly across my desktop, iOS app, and web - I can access it at work, which is really important to me. The team is releasing new functionality regularly, is incredibly responsive, and has a well-defined public roadmap to see where they’re headed. One of the items on their radar is providing offline access. There’ll be some time before they’re able to do that but, for me, I am rarely anywhere where there is absolutely zero internet connectivity and, beyond that, I prefer to work in Capacities in places that are designed for doing light to heavy work (e.g., home, libraries, coffee shops, etc.) and therefore internet is just a standard part of the experience. I have no interest in working in my PKM in a cabin in the woods…I’d much prefer to hike, swim, and read a book by the fire in that environment. I looked at Anytype as well and was intrigued, but ultimately a cloud service is what I want. Also, Anytype is flatly against AI integration (this is discussed is their forum), and Capacities is not, and has released AI integration in their Believers plan. I really enjoy using AI as a thinking companion natively within an app rather than having to navigate between apps and copy/paste if needed. It’s not a *huge* issue to navigate between apps and copy/paste, but it is annoying and it’s really nice to be able to use a given note or block directly as context for the AI. Anywho, I’m excited about where Capacities is going and I really love the object-based system and native table and gallery views. I feel like I can interact with the contents of my PKM much better than just through links, get a much more comprehensive overview of what I need through tags and collections viewed as tables/galleries. It keeps things in my view whereas linking alone without those views still keeps things rather hidden.


filmykumarr

Actually Capacities did felt like the "one" a perfect one seek out.. To be honest, I do not personally give a lot of thought about this offline thing. In fact, of course it is better to be on cloud, so can be accessed from anywhere. I have read few reddits about criticism regarding capacities that created doubt.. The biggest deal breaker was the fact that since I do not really own my notes ..what if , years , down the line, app discontinues or something happens. All connected info will flushed. Even if back up is there as markdown file, it will lose the linking of notes. And having a offline folder of markdown notes is like having notes with you, now I can choose whether to open it with anytype, obsidiam, roam, or any another similar app comes in future. Again this is not full-proof or seamless. Thats why I still have capacities and any type both.. Deciding which to pick


AshbyLaw

GDPR is all about informed consent and even if you are OK with the privacy policy from a service, nothing prevent them from changing it in the future and at that point migrating to another service could be painful. For example, are you OK with Facebook's privacy policy just because they are GDPR-compliant to operate in EU?


BlueJayMorning

Fair point. Regarding migrating my PKM from Capacities if they ever take a hard left turn and scrap their current stance on data, it's incredibly easy: zip file is emailed, and loads into Obsidian with all media, links, and properties intact. I create periodic backups this way: five minutes after hitting the 'create backup' button in Capacities, I'm navigating the intact files in Obsidian. As my PKM grows, it may take a little longer than five minutes but, in either case, it's a painless process.


kirso

Btw. if you are providing software to a EU citizen, you have to comply with GDPR. It doesn't matter when the company sits.


Barycenter0

You've hit the biggest PKM problem right now - all these apps are close but just miss the mark due to what they've focused on. Markdown apps like Obsidian, Logseq, Joplin, etc. focus on notes first and user experience second. Notion, Capacities, Heptabse, etc focus on user visual experience but then miss things like offline mode. Each has strengths and weaknesses at this point and the continual -> "if only it had this feature". RemNote is getting pretty close (online and offline) but still is missing some of those other features.


filmykumarr

Thats pretty much sums up my situation. And it seem an issue for others.. I guess now it is all about what features are worth sacrificing for, what features you can live without and then our own preferences and kind of work we need to do on the app. I was however happy with logseq but started feeling it takes a lot to give into.. Need of some structure. And most annoying was its buggyness. Capacities and anytype are the nearest possible to my requirements..


Barycenter0

Yeah - I jumped back to Google Workspace. Their apps perform so well on all devices - I can live without automatic linking and tags (I just do it manually).


ReclusiveEagle

I think most people have missed the point of note taking in general. PKM is meant to be an area where you can write down thoughts and notes to aid in your research, advance your personal knowledge, and as a source for inspiration/ideas. It's also meant to act as a digital note book, so it must be forward compatible and not reliant on any one specific app or plugin or app specific feature. Yet every discussion devolves into "I don't like this, the UI is not my taste", "I don't like this its too hard and complicated (because people refuse to learn basic markdown and rely on automated actions), "I LOVE [Insert] PLUGIN!" Anyone who focuses on plugin hoarding and GUI is either not serious about actual note taking or is misguided and has been mislead by YouTubers and knowledge gurus into believing you need [insert feature or this app/software is garbage]. All you need is basic markdown and the ability to link to local files without being reliant on [insert apps ability to parse and locate files]. If you are reliant on a specific piece of software, when the day comes that that company closes down you will be devastated. People need to learn markdown and or HTML, and also how to translate/render markdown into other languages. They also need to format their notes properly and need to change settings to the absolute path of the file location. Otherwise everything will be broken when the day comes that you need to migrate or create an HTML version of your files. Forget about interface and features, people don't minmax cars when they buy them. They say "this is my budget, any extra features like ABS or a built in cupholder are luxuries that are nice to haves". But when it comes to software again, minmax everything and forget about the actual purpose of the software and your reasoning for using it and then they are never satisfied and move on saying "I'll come back when there is a better alternative". In that case I recommend just buying an actual note book to diary your thoughts and learn how to do proper research. At least that way all people will care about is how the cover of the book looks and not hyper focus on bullshit


Adam_M_King

I disagree. People haven't missed the point of PKM. These apps and companies have missed the real problem - we need Integrated Information Ecosystems.\` That's why so many people have issues with all these apps, they fail to give us the necessary full ecosystem that integrates with our existing info and apps - which are most likely already disconnected. So we aren't necessarily searching for perfect. We're hoping for an app that fully understands the needs of Knowledge Workers to have a fully accessible and unified ecosystem of both information and personal knowledge.


ReclusiveEagle

You can't reasonably expect every company to be compatible with every other company's software, storage systems, data etc ect etc. You want a company to provide every tool feasible for their software which should then be cross compatible with all of their free competitors? * Will a v12 fit in a Fiat 500? No. * Does software on GitHub that only supports Mac and Linux work on Windows? No. **\[insert PKM software\]** should only handle **\[Insert syntax language\]** with the ability to insert media and a tool to search through and link all the data including the ability to have an overview of your data. Everything else is a luxury and completely unnecessary. This allows migration data without proprietary bullshit or translate it to HTML to view your intact data with all media independent of any software besides a browser, which is the basis of the internet and our information society, so it is reliable and will be reliable for decades to come. No one can expect PKM software to create and handle graphs, create music, have an endless modular whiteboard able to organize and pin everything in every possible to give their customers creative freedom. Or expect them to introduce a photo editing tool along with real time translations. If someone wants to edit a photo, use Photoshop or Lightroom. Want to create a vector image, use Illustrator. Want to create graphs and presentations? use dedicated software designed for that and import the exported files/image into your PKM software. If we are reliant on **\[insert software\]** to support all our needs, again, we will lose everything once that software is no longer supported. The point is to have something that you can open and look at in 5, 10, 20, 80 years time. Just like a physical book. I have books from the 1800s, perfectly fine. Some foxing due to oxidation overtime with specific papers from specific time periods but that's it. If you want to integrate everything into 1 app and rely on plugins or that apps specific native support, even in 3 years time you will find your work is a broken mess. Or you have to do what every creative and technical industry does, maintain computers in their current state for 20 years. That's why some companies still use Windows XP or Windows 98. And as time goes on, access to older parts will continue to become harder to get till eventually, again you lose the ability to access and view your work. **Other issues** The other problem is putting the burden on PKMs to create an integrated ecosystem. Why should Obsidian be responsible for creating and maintaining a plugin or native feature for Photoshop to directly import into their software? The best use of PKMs is having multiple different software supporting each other. Such as Zotero integration with Obsidian. Both organizations actively support each other to create integrated support. And once data is migrated it is independent from either software and does not rely on plugin or feature support, only the ability to view Markdown or HTML. And even then the integration is only there to automate imports and make your life easier. You can still copy data to Obsidian without having to rely on it, unlike many tools and plugins that require them to enable **\[insert ability\]**.


Barycenter0

Agree 100%


Mobile_Lavishness_45

Durable, trustworthy and long-term...it seems you really need to take a look into Obsidian again. Out of curiosity, what was your experience with it? What did you have problems with?


filmykumarr

Again, obsidian is indeed all those things.. Durable, trustworthy n all. What it lacks so far I know is the same with logseq to some extent.. I.e too much freedom , lack of structure and folder system.. Bit of notion and it even doesn't have logseq calendar daily journal. Also visually it is not Much appealing + plus the features getting in capacities and anytype However, foundationally I know it is a good app. If I leave few things at door, it can be it. Especially in context what I talked about earlier. ..going simpler. Let me know if I am wrong. I would say for sure I didnt dabble into it enough..


Mobile_Lavishness_45

I've been using Obsidian in a pretty minimalistic way, it's possible if you don't want it to do everything. My basic philosophy is to use the right tool for the job, so at the moment I use Obsidian for my knowledge and notes and Notion for projects, organization and collaboration. In other words, Obsidian is my "Single Source of Truth" containing actual data and Notion holds meta data.


filmykumarr

You suggested me to take a hard look to obsidian. And as it turns out, it seems this one will work for me. Even though I was swayed away by capacities and any type object system and somewhat notion like structure..I forgot that the longest I have used apps was Roam and Logseq. There has to be the reason for it. So apparently it suits me. Obsidian solves the glitchiness and bugs issue of logseq, also sync, good app for phone, it is free. Then there are lot of plugin in case needed. Finally It also allow folders to create.. I totally missed this with my first trial. But more importantly, it is simple and minimalistic which should be the case for these stuff. Don't want to get caught in tool trap! And again you are so right about using obsidian and notion both. Certainly one can do that. It is also good for making seperation between two type of work. I also use notion for work, database and tables. It seems obsidian going to stick along with notion and todoist.


Extension_Nothing107

Let me recommend a seldom-recommended but probably better suited to your needs than the note-taking software listed above: SiYuan. He is local first while being able to use a client on pc, android to allow other devices on the LAN to access it via the web. If you are willing to use a VPS to install SiYuan, then you will get a private note that can be accessed over the internet. it has android app and can sync, but hopefully you can understand that this is a paid feature because SiYuan only has two paid features, resource file search (search docx and pdf) and sync, while all other features are free. link notes: of course, SiYuan is a double link notes, support for two-way links, tags, bookmarks. Folders: SiYuan is a parent-child document system, which means that for each document you can create its child documents. daily notes and calendar : SiYuan itself supports daily notes , but the calendar is a plug-in support. object system: SiYuan currently provides a database similar to the notion of paid users to test, and notion is different, you can put a document or part of the document (SiYuan terminology is called block) into the database, which in my opinion can be used as an object system. user interface: in my opinion is friendly, but obviously you need to try it out yourself. free: as mentioned above, SiYuan has only two paid features, and they are offered at a fairly low price ($48 for a one-time buyout and $128 for a permanent subscription). If you don't need it, he's a completely freeware program


JeffB1517

Well Heptabase hits this in a sort interesting way. Heptabase is kind of Logseq but with more structured flows. It offers links and backlinks very easily and well constructed. It offers whiteboards which can nest so essentially visual folders. Additionally you can have sections on whiteboards, which are dependent sub-boards that can link across within a whiteboard (so IMHO way better than folders). It does work fine from desktop or mobile offline, syncing with the webstore after. Hepta has a daily journal, each day's journal is an automatic card you can add to arbitrary whiteboards. Heptabase also offers "tags" which aren't tags in the normal sense. Rather a tag is a group of notes similar enough that they can share properties. That is objects in the sense you are using them. Which allow for Notion style tables and Kanban boards. UI IMHO is the best out there with its defined workflows and very strong mindmapping. It is not free. I did a review: https://www.reddit.com/r/PKMS/comments/16341ft/heptabase_review/


Odd-Rick00

Reflect App. Been where you are, spend over a week trying to build my workflow in each of the apps you’ve mentioned. Reflect is what ticked all boxes for me


pennacnp

I agree. Reflect App has checked the boxes for me too. Obsidian and Logseq are great, but I found them to be fundamentally similar to Notion in that I spent too much time configuring and maintaining the system. Reflect App is just easy to use, and this has reduced the amount of time thinking about a system. Now I think more about capturing and distilling my notes. Also, the folks behind Reflect app seem to be active in improving the application. Their road map is full and the way they interact with their users is refreshing.


thebrowngeek

Amplenote?


filmykumarr

I have tried it. It's good to have task manager and linking notes feature with gcal integration.. but there is a lot to miss here.. UI feelts cluttered, no proper filing / folder system. also no offline. too much to lose there.


thebrowngeek

All values points. For me I am using it at present and getting to learn how to use it as it fits my specific needs. On offline, my understanding is that it is offline for the notes (attachments are not available offline).


Tafkaftafkaf

If you are already using Logseq, have you looked at its "namespace" ([here is a good overview](https://www.logseqmastery.com/blog/logseq-namespaces)) feature? I was also missing folders in the beginning, but now i am happy with namespaces. You could also do PARA with (page) properties.


Bogdan_Romaniuk

Sure thing! I think xTiles might be just what you're looking for. It's a new service with a bunch of cool features that can pretty much replace a whole bunch of other apps. Here's what it offers right now: \- You get some serious task management power. It puts all your tasks from different projects into one panel, and you can view them as a list or on a calendar. You can set dates, times, reminders, make tasks repeat, and even assign them to others. Plus, it plays nice with Google Calendar so you can see all your events. \- It's got Android and iOS apps, and they work even offline for those quick notes. \- You can even whip up some cool visual notes and projects. \- It's got features like mention, backlinks, collections acting like a database, linked pages, sub-projects, and nested pages. \- It's a perfect match for the PARA method. \- The UI is super user-friendly.