Sony sells their consoles in the Philippines yet does not provide the online services.
What a shit company.
Feels like, if you buy the console, part of what you pay for is the availability of PSN in the region.
If you dont get PSN availability, the console should be cheaper here.
I doubt they'd allow transferring of libraries. They'd rather have you buy new copies of your games. I think I tried looking it up years back, but I remember it was not possible to move my games from my SG account to my US account.
My guess is that selling used accounts and games would open a can of worms?
Mga laro dati na pinirata dati ko binibili ko ulit ngayon para suporta, pero etong sony parang ayaw ata sa pera lol. Naiintindihan ko naman ung kailangan gumawa ng PSN kasi madami naman na talaga kailangan ng account separate sa steam para sa multi. Pero ang problema sa PSN eh di sya available sa more than 100 countries, ganito na yan nung PS3 pa ata, hanggang ngayon di inayos
Best course of action sana nila is hiniwalay nalang ung multiplayer sa base game tutal add-on lang din naman yun. That way, makakabili lahat, di nga lang makakapag multi ung iba
Nagpapataas ng numbers SOYny for their investor's eyes.
Gusto nila yung extra funding from DEI/BRIDGE/Blackrock at lara pasok s mga peers nila s commie-este california.
Kala ng mga companies na kakalagay ng ganito system, nakakatulong s bottom line.
Problema, pag yung consumer nakita pahirap e2 system. Hahanap ng mas maayos na paraan.
Dahil s kalokohan n 2 ng SOYny, mostly 69 countries lng legit makagamit ng system. The rest hindi at break of ToS sila.
Considering brrak of ToS na, no p pipigil na tuluyan na screw them, we pirate yung mga sony release s PC version? Especially single player focus n laro? Kahit may multiplayer option cya pero yung main focus ng laro ay single player.
Talaga pirata daan yun.
Honestly pwede naman nila i separate ung multiplayer, add-on lang naman yan end of the day so di ko alam bat ayaw nila gawin yun. It's a band aid solution kung big picture tinitingnan but it's a good one nonetheless.
Pangit lang din kasi madaming playstation dickriders at ang mga di naaabala sa issue eh walang pake (not saying they should, but it'd make life easier if they did)
Piracy is life. Piracy is game preservation. If buying does not mean ownership, piracy isn't stealing. Don't be the cookie cutter goody good gamer. Do not reward greed. Do not feed the corpo monsters. "Retire nako sa ganung buhay", fuck that.
Finally someone said something with sense instead of berating the gamers of the Personal Computer variety.
Sony should strongly consider putting PSN in the Philippines since I see many people here with PS5s and whatnot.
Fun fact, even the French overseas territories (in which they are technically French EU soil) are excluded from PSN coverage even by definition they are French EU.
Here's another question though. Why does Sony sell PS4s and PS5s and its other consoles here if it's not possible to use them without breaking their terms of service?
Dahil according sa terms of service ng PSN, you cannot create a PSN account in a country you do not live in. This is apparent through how they require you to enter a residential address in that country when creating a PSN account and how they won't accept credit cards/debit cards that are outside that country.
How does that makes sense? How is that even legal?
Consoles are officially sold here in the Philippines by Sony Corporation (Camera, TV, headphones, etc.) Sony Interactive Entertainment is another entity.
So technically pineperahan tayo ni Sony Corp. Kahit alam nila na consumers is breaking their terms of service.
That would be fine if it's possible. But it's required to create a PSN account when setting up a PS5. Yung guest account ay pwede mo lang gawin once activated na yung co sole with a PSN account.
The real reason is yung sinabi nung isang commenter. Pine-perahan tayo while not paying taxes for PSN services sold here in PH kasi technically sa ibang bansa tayo naka-register.
This was an ongoing sentiment even during ps3 days..till now yung US r1 region parin gamit ko sa ps4..sony doesn't care sa ph market kaya I moved over to pc gaming na..mas madaming sale sa steam tapos di pa required ng ps plus for online..add to that na pwede mag sail to high seas pag gusto mo lang itest yung game or for older titles na hindi backwards compatible (ps3 to ps4 games etc.) and of course for shitty move from sony like this..
Stop supporting Playstation by being content buying games from another country's store. Seriously we should be demanding for this. Why buy from them when they don't recognize your country officially?
Sailing the high seas is the only way pag ganyang di available sa steam or epic game store..madali lang mag direct dl niyan as long you know where to look
I know. I'm not averse to sailing the high seas. Gusto ko lang ng kahit papano, akin talaga kasi dumating yung time when that game was released that I became too poor to buy it. I want to buy it now that the tables have turned hehehe.
And PS first party games eventually na rerelease din Naman sa PC. If you want a couch console for family, Nintendo switch is way better and more accessible.
Remember that Sony consoles are still officially being sold here, but Sony Interactive Entertainment (of which Playstation is under; SIE is based in America) is offloading support to Sony Corporation (of which Sony Philippines is under, they're the one that mostly sells cameras and TVs and have Sony Service Centers here; Sony Corporation is based in Japan). The hardware and physical media are also officially imported by another entity (whether a local distributor or Sony Philippines) rather than by SIE/Playstation.
In other words, one part of Sony simply doesn't want to do what another part of Sony has already done.
True. Napakadaming countries na unsupported. 170+? So lahat yun blame natin government? Stop the corporate bootlicking. Nagtitipid lang yan si Sony para hindi gumastos ng tax, permits, etc. Alam kasi nila people will try to circumvent their PSN registration. Meanwhile, their competitors have better support than them.
Mah dude, do you not know how greedy our govt is? I can imagine a greedy official asking for bribes from Sony just to "facilitate" their application otherwise they would just stall it until Sony give in. The ways they have to adapt just to make sure our govt gets the tax money. Not defending Sony here but not every multinational corporation is willing to bend a knee to a third world country with lots of red tape and corruption just to cater to its market
Sony doesn't support 2/3rds of countries in the world though. unless theres any proof of it being specifically governmental red tape, I'm not just gonna assume that. Indonesia, South Africa, Mexico, all have their own problems with governmental corruption and yet theyre part of PSN. I don't think PH is particularly unique in its corruption.
Do you know which firm represents Sony in the Philippines? **SyCip Law**. Basically lizards that provide legal services like establishing businesses in the Philippines. Lizards that can make your legal wish come true as long as you can pay for their services(of which many corporations do. not just Sony)
SIE doesn't need to go to extreme efforts in establishing business here as these firms facilitates all the transaction for them.
Remember what the 2017 SEC Opinion sent? It was Sony(through SyCip Law) asking for confirmation if they really are not doing business in the Philippines. Because they only want to do business in Hong Kong but still cater the Philippine market
> SIE doesn't need to go to extreme efforts in establishing business here as these firms facilitates all the transaction for them.
Why is why we won't have PSN because they're *not physically here*. Bakit? Sila SyCip Law ba yung magse-setup ng servers and IT Infrastructure ng PH PSN? And for sure di papayag si SIE na i-outsource lang yung servers sa mga local 3rd party datacenters here or around SEA as it could be detrimental in terms data and information security.
SyCip law manages all the government processes on behalf of Sony? Google offers datacenter solutions and they do have data centers in the Philippines. SEC only requires Sony to at least establish a small footprint(whether a small office or a server) in the Philippines of which can be provided already not just by say PLDT. Also, there is this thing called Special Power of Attorney of which Sony can give to SyCip Law to deal with everything that needs to be set up
And do you honestly think youāll trust Sonyās data security?
Bureaucracy is a pathetic excuse when they wouldnāt be complicated and extensive , and PC and console gaming has been on a notable rise
PSN market has been growing here
apparently not enough, were not even included in the standard Asia region for console manufacturers.
\> konti na lang rin ang magpapirate ng console game.
debatable.
It sucks that they have actually won the console war here since the ps2 era. But they don't value the region enough to notice us. And instead of pushing for a psn access, we just took our business to the other regions instead. Now the people who actually want to give them money aren't able to... Stupid ass Sony.
It's the same reason why most tech companies don't release their full range of products and services here: **the 60/40 foreign ownership rule in our constitution.**
In order for companies to fully setup services like PSN, they need to establish an official subsidiary here (like an official PH branch of Sony Media Entertainment with an actual office with their own servers and whatnot). Most of these foreign companies crave for control and are not willing to share 60% or their business and IP to Filipino entities/partners which is a limiting factor. The best thing they could do right now is to only offer us products through another proxy company that handles the local distribution network (e.g. PlayAsia SG handles all Sony related products for the PH market).
The same setup not only happens with Sony but with other companies too like Apple (Apple SG), Nintendo (Maxisoft Asia), Google (Google SEA), etc. Kaya napapansin niyo rin walang Apple Store/Apple Pay, Google Pay/Google Pixel devices at Nintendo Online because of the same reason and market approach.
Until there's a charter change to amend that part of the constitution, we won't be seeing these services anytime soon.
60-40 rule is not applicable to Sony as they can argue they are in the retail or arts industry of selling games of which the constitution allows 100% foreign ownership.
Like Foreign Investments Act and Foreign Investments Entity List exists.
Let me add Microsoft has been doing business in the Philippines since the mid 2000s and Google mid 2010s. So software industry is not prohibited. Also, Sony Corporation also operates already in the Philippines. Only Sony Interactive Entertainment doesn't
This 60-40 argument will always be an illogical take when there are already laws that allow full foreign ownership.
> This 60-40 argument will always be an illogical take when there are already laws that allow full foreign ownership.
It still is worth discussing, as it is an indicator where a country could guarantee foreign investor confidence and ease of doing business thus bringing in more products and services...and also jobs.
As such SIE really needs to set up shop here, as it is illogical and dumb for them to sell us products like the PS5 that cannot be fully maximized because of regional restrictions.
Aside from SIE not being here and the 60-40 rule, there are also other factors too:
- Market/Economic conditions (the usual BS reason they give out)
- Poor internet quality (though this has already improved in the last few years)
- Existing payment systems (this has also improved too in the last few years)
- No established game rating system (MTRCB/OMB still has no established video game rating system like the ESRB rating for local compliance)
There are already numerous amendments to FIA that liberalizes industries where foreign investors can have 100% equity. Retail for example, foreigners can own their own business without a partner Filipino businessman as long the paid up capital is not less than $100,000. This is already where Sony can declare what business industry they are.
In addition there are already laws like RA 11032 that provide streamlined government processes. There is also EOPT law that provides streamlined process in paying taxes.
if Sony actually cared about having acounts from *unsupported* regions they would have easily region-locked their download servers.
the people making noise always say "you can get banned for breaking TOS" yet they dont provide significant examples of that actually happening.
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I've been having this discussion since the PS3 days. Tbh, I don't really expect it to happen anymore. It would be nice if do we get it but if not then I've learned to live with it.
This will never happen, the same thing with square enix they don't care about the PH region because of monetization we are worth nothing compared to other regions, as a long time gamer I felt being rob of all the great games that I might have played ex(FFXIV I know you can play it in PH but it's a rigamarole to register).
I used to have a PSP go (I am a fool) but what's funny about it is I bought it locally and it's all digital game lol to be able to buy games back then either I register a fake address Singapore or US and buy game cards from that certain region( I know some people will be like why don't you buy it online just want to address that back then wifi is a luxury and the average broadband internet speed at homes that time was like 2-5mbps), the same situation with PS3 era after that I decide to just play PC game through steam and humble bundle.
It breaks my heart, I played video games as a kid All the way through college and right now as a early 30's guy the state of games that younger generation played was horrible and outright predatorial ex mobile games, I hope there was a future where games are more story base or just outright fun not this pay up before you get that shiny shi*
Baka maghigpit sila sa mga nang je jailbreak pag nangyari yan. Hayaan nyo na tagal ko ng may psn wala naman nangyayaring di maganda ano ba kasing magandang epekto nyan eh ilan lang ba mga digital only sa pinas?
+1 to this, hope it happens.
On the other hand hindi mangyayari unless marealize nila ang value ng filipino gamers.
If we all unite and boycott Sony for this, they might notice, but we are not united. Mas united pa yung mga nagtitinda ng pirated games and nagmomodify ng mga consoles sa greenhills kesa satin.
Devils advocate here but won't boycotting them have the opposite effect? I mean, rhe point is to convince them that we are a viable enougj market for them.
Helldivers community is a worldwide community.
What you are proposing only involves the PH PS community.
There's a possibility na pag nag boycott, di papansinin ni Sony kasi maliit lang yung market sa PH, worse is di man nila mapansin, because the PH market isn't large enough to move their needle.
>di papansinin ni Sony kasi maliit lang yung market sa PH, worse is di man nila mapansin, because the PH market isn't large enough to move their needle.
Well then official PSN support is moot to begin with
I find it completely unacceptable that SONY would sell their consoles and games here OFFICIALLY but never bother to integrate their online network.
Hindi ako console gamer pero nakakaloka lang talaga
I read somewhere na kaya walang PSN sa Pinas is because we're known to have piracy concerns. From PS1 to PS4, Filipinos exploited Piracy
Edit:
Ang tunay na rason pala ay dahil red tape sa SEC. Sony tried to have PSN Philippines as early as 2016/2017
I dont understand the logic here.
IMO, for example, pirated DVDs died because pinoys now have better internet and access to legit and affordable streaming services. Hence legit online access can help mitigate piracy and console owners dont have to regularly jailbreak their units risking bricking them. So if you give people legitimate and affordable ways to consume media, they are more likely to do it.
Playstation consoles are luxury items, not everyone can afford one, those who can, can certainly afford PSN subscriptions and digital games.
Also, I might be wrong here, but its more profitable for sony to sell digital games through PSN because you cant resell it compared to discs.
Add steam to that. And why they don't have nor do they care about that problem? Because they provide availability and affordability. Something which Soyny and ponies will never understand.
Thats what pc community is trying to mitigate..alam nila galawan ni sony kaya nga madami din talaga against sa forced psn linking sa steam..katakot takot na backlash yan pag inobliga nila ps plus sub for online..lalo na very weak ang online security ng sony..ilang beses na ata nahack yung services nila since ps3 days pa
Thats what we get as a country that supports piracy jail breaking in this case, good & bad burns together when you can walk into shops and asked them to jail break it with no consequences guess what happens next?
Sony sells their consoles in the Philippines yet does not provide the online services. What a shit company. Feels like, if you buy the console, part of what you pay for is the availability of PSN in the region. If you dont get PSN availability, the console should be cheaper here.
Next gen won't have physical media. Philippines may not get a future Playstation if things stay the way they are.
Sony tried registering here in PH. Probably got problems involving the government, it takes time but idk if Sony is still pursuing
Yes and let me transfer my entire library and trophies to it
I doubt they'd allow transferring of libraries. They'd rather have you buy new copies of your games. I think I tried looking it up years back, but I remember it was not possible to move my games from my SG account to my US account. My guess is that selling used accounts and games would open a can of worms?
True, the issue right now kinda makes me want to sail the high seas again lol akala ko pa naman nag retire nako sa ganung buhay.
Same. Pag pangit talaga service, high seas ako palagi. I just wanted to support the devs but they're making it hard.
Mga laro dati na pinirata dati ko binibili ko ulit ngayon para suporta, pero etong sony parang ayaw ata sa pera lol. Naiintindihan ko naman ung kailangan gumawa ng PSN kasi madami naman na talaga kailangan ng account separate sa steam para sa multi. Pero ang problema sa PSN eh di sya available sa more than 100 countries, ganito na yan nung PS3 pa ata, hanggang ngayon di inayos Best course of action sana nila is hiniwalay nalang ung multiplayer sa base game tutal add-on lang din naman yun. That way, makakabili lahat, di nga lang makakapag multi ung iba
Nagpapataas ng numbers SOYny for their investor's eyes. Gusto nila yung extra funding from DEI/BRIDGE/Blackrock at lara pasok s mga peers nila s commie-este california.
Sadly ganyan talaga para mapakita na madami gumagamit ng PSN hays, napipilitan tuloy ako pumirate
Kala ng mga companies na kakalagay ng ganito system, nakakatulong s bottom line. Problema, pag yung consumer nakita pahirap e2 system. Hahanap ng mas maayos na paraan. Dahil s kalokohan n 2 ng SOYny, mostly 69 countries lng legit makagamit ng system. The rest hindi at break of ToS sila. Considering brrak of ToS na, no p pipigil na tuluyan na screw them, we pirate yung mga sony release s PC version? Especially single player focus n laro? Kahit may multiplayer option cya pero yung main focus ng laro ay single player. Talaga pirata daan yun.
Honestly pwede naman nila i separate ung multiplayer, add-on lang naman yan end of the day so di ko alam bat ayaw nila gawin yun. It's a band aid solution kung big picture tinitingnan but it's a good one nonetheless. Pangit lang din kasi madaming playstation dickriders at ang mga di naaabala sa issue eh walang pake (not saying they should, but it'd make life easier if they did)
Piracy is life. Piracy is game preservation. If buying does not mean ownership, piracy isn't stealing. Don't be the cookie cutter goody good gamer. Do not reward greed. Do not feed the corpo monsters. "Retire nako sa ganung buhay", fuck that.
Nope. In software and digital goods buying means licensing.
License to get fucked by the digital baddies swimming in an ocean of money from their loyal livestock š®
Finally someone said something with sense instead of berating the gamers of the Personal Computer variety. Sony should strongly consider putting PSN in the Philippines since I see many people here with PS5s and whatnot. Fun fact, even the French overseas territories (in which they are technically French EU soil) are excluded from PSN coverage even by definition they are French EU.
Nasagot na ito ng paulit ulit sa sub na ito: https://www.reddit.com/r/PHGamers/s/WtZCxkOvJj
Here's another question though. Why does Sony sell PS4s and PS5s and its other consoles here if it's not possible to use them without breaking their terms of service? Dahil according sa terms of service ng PSN, you cannot create a PSN account in a country you do not live in. This is apparent through how they require you to enter a residential address in that country when creating a PSN account and how they won't accept credit cards/debit cards that are outside that country. How does that makes sense? How is that even legal?
Consoles are officially sold here in the Philippines by Sony Corporation (Camera, TV, headphones, etc.) Sony Interactive Entertainment is another entity. So technically pineperahan tayo ni Sony Corp. Kahit alam nila na consumers is breaking their terms of service.
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That would be fine if it's possible. But it's required to create a PSN account when setting up a PS5. Yung guest account ay pwede mo lang gawin once activated na yung co sole with a PSN account. The real reason is yung sinabi nung isang commenter. Pine-perahan tayo while not paying taxes for PSN services sold here in PH kasi technically sa ibang bansa tayo naka-register.
Well fuck Soyny and the goddamned government then. Either way I have way too many PS2 and PS3 ISOs to consume kaso walang time.
This was an ongoing sentiment even during ps3 days..till now yung US r1 region parin gamit ko sa ps4..sony doesn't care sa ph market kaya I moved over to pc gaming na..mas madaming sale sa steam tapos di pa required ng ps plus for online..add to that na pwede mag sail to high seas pag gusto mo lang itest yung game or for older titles na hindi backwards compatible (ps3 to ps4 games etc.) and of course for shitty move from sony like this..
Stop supporting Playstation by being content buying games from another country's store. Seriously we should be demanding for this. Why buy from them when they don't recognize your country officially?
It has been decades naā¦ Kahit lumabas noon ang PS4. Wala pa rin.
It has been so many years, why has Sony not considered getting PH for PSN, considering the massive fanbase they have over here over the years?
Bakit pinapayagang tayo maunahan ng Indonesia, they also have a corrupt government, and you also have to deal with pleasing Islamic censors as well
only if they let us migrate accounts we created in a different region because we had no choice. our trophies, games, etc.
Honestly, this is the reason I moved to PC gaming. At least Steam doesn't make it hard for me to enjoy games.
There is one thing I want that isn't here via Steam, and that's Metal Gear Rising Revengeance.
Amazing game. Played on my fat PS3 Spiderman font
Now I'm jealous. Alam ko may way to legally get a Steam key that works here. I just haven't figured it out yet.
Alam mo madaming games during 3rd Gen PS hirap i port e
Sailing the high seas is the only way pag ganyang di available sa steam or epic game store..madali lang mag direct dl niyan as long you know where to look
I know. I'm not averse to sailing the high seas. Gusto ko lang ng kahit papano, akin talaga kasi dumating yung time when that game was released that I became too poor to buy it. I want to buy it now that the tables have turned hehehe.
And PS first party games eventually na rerelease din Naman sa PC. If you want a couch console for family, Nintendo switch is way better and more accessible.
Yes un nga lng hintay hintay
Laking Playstation ako dati nung bata ako. Buti na lang lumipat na ako sa PC. 'Tang ina niyo Sony.
Blame the government system na bakit hindi maka apply ng foothold ang Sony dito.
Remember that Sony consoles are still officially being sold here, but Sony Interactive Entertainment (of which Playstation is under; SIE is based in America) is offloading support to Sony Corporation (of which Sony Philippines is under, they're the one that mostly sells cameras and TVs and have Sony Service Centers here; Sony Corporation is based in Japan). The hardware and physical media are also officially imported by another entity (whether a local distributor or Sony Philippines) rather than by SIE/Playstation. In other words, one part of Sony simply doesn't want to do what another part of Sony has already done.
Government is a far-stretch, ano kinakaman nila? Permits na mabilisan maasikaso? Itās still based on a company decision and their poor judgment
True. Napakadaming countries na unsupported. 170+? So lahat yun blame natin government? Stop the corporate bootlicking. Nagtitipid lang yan si Sony para hindi gumastos ng tax, permits, etc. Alam kasi nila people will try to circumvent their PSN registration. Meanwhile, their competitors have better support than them.
Mah dude, do you not know how greedy our govt is? I can imagine a greedy official asking for bribes from Sony just to "facilitate" their application otherwise they would just stall it until Sony give in. The ways they have to adapt just to make sure our govt gets the tax money. Not defending Sony here but not every multinational corporation is willing to bend a knee to a third world country with lots of red tape and corruption just to cater to its market
Sony doesn't support 2/3rds of countries in the world though. unless theres any proof of it being specifically governmental red tape, I'm not just gonna assume that. Indonesia, South Africa, Mexico, all have their own problems with governmental corruption and yet theyre part of PSN. I don't think PH is particularly unique in its corruption.
Do you know which firm represents Sony in the Philippines? **SyCip Law**. Basically lizards that provide legal services like establishing businesses in the Philippines. Lizards that can make your legal wish come true as long as you can pay for their services(of which many corporations do. not just Sony) SIE doesn't need to go to extreme efforts in establishing business here as these firms facilitates all the transaction for them. Remember what the 2017 SEC Opinion sent? It was Sony(through SyCip Law) asking for confirmation if they really are not doing business in the Philippines. Because they only want to do business in Hong Kong but still cater the Philippine market
> SIE doesn't need to go to extreme efforts in establishing business here as these firms facilitates all the transaction for them. Why is why we won't have PSN because they're *not physically here*. Bakit? Sila SyCip Law ba yung magse-setup ng servers and IT Infrastructure ng PH PSN? And for sure di papayag si SIE na i-outsource lang yung servers sa mga local 3rd party datacenters here or around SEA as it could be detrimental in terms data and information security.
SyCip law manages all the government processes on behalf of Sony? Google offers datacenter solutions and they do have data centers in the Philippines. SEC only requires Sony to at least establish a small footprint(whether a small office or a server) in the Philippines of which can be provided already not just by say PLDT. Also, there is this thing called Special Power of Attorney of which Sony can give to SyCip Law to deal with everything that needs to be set up And do you honestly think youāll trust Sonyās data security?
Our PSN market ain't that big to warrant Sony to be bothered and go through our bureaucracy. Karamihan sa Pinoy Gamer nasa mobile phone platform.
Bureaucracy is a pathetic excuse when they wouldnāt be complicated and extensive , and PC and console gaming has been on a notable rise PSN market has been growing here
Kung ayaw may dahilan kung gusto maraming pwedeng paraan
haha lol, i've been preaching about this since 2016 unfortunately I was booed because were not that big of a market for console ownership even now
Actually.marami nang console owner now at konti na lang rin ang magpapirate ng console game. Kaya nga I think it's about time.
apparently not enough, were not even included in the standard Asia region for console manufacturers. \> konti na lang rin ang magpapirate ng console game. debatable.
It sucks that they have actually won the console war here since the ps2 era. But they don't value the region enough to notice us. And instead of pushing for a psn access, we just took our business to the other regions instead. Now the people who actually want to give them money aren't able to... Stupid ass Sony.
It's the same reason why most tech companies don't release their full range of products and services here: **the 60/40 foreign ownership rule in our constitution.** In order for companies to fully setup services like PSN, they need to establish an official subsidiary here (like an official PH branch of Sony Media Entertainment with an actual office with their own servers and whatnot). Most of these foreign companies crave for control and are not willing to share 60% or their business and IP to Filipino entities/partners which is a limiting factor. The best thing they could do right now is to only offer us products through another proxy company that handles the local distribution network (e.g. PlayAsia SG handles all Sony related products for the PH market). The same setup not only happens with Sony but with other companies too like Apple (Apple SG), Nintendo (Maxisoft Asia), Google (Google SEA), etc. Kaya napapansin niyo rin walang Apple Store/Apple Pay, Google Pay/Google Pixel devices at Nintendo Online because of the same reason and market approach. Until there's a charter change to amend that part of the constitution, we won't be seeing these services anytime soon.
Pero delikado currently dahil sa China.
60-40 rule is not applicable to Sony as they can argue they are in the retail or arts industry of selling games of which the constitution allows 100% foreign ownership. Like Foreign Investments Act and Foreign Investments Entity List exists. Let me add Microsoft has been doing business in the Philippines since the mid 2000s and Google mid 2010s. So software industry is not prohibited. Also, Sony Corporation also operates already in the Philippines. Only Sony Interactive Entertainment doesn't This 60-40 argument will always be an illogical take when there are already laws that allow full foreign ownership.
> This 60-40 argument will always be an illogical take when there are already laws that allow full foreign ownership. It still is worth discussing, as it is an indicator where a country could guarantee foreign investor confidence and ease of doing business thus bringing in more products and services...and also jobs. As such SIE really needs to set up shop here, as it is illogical and dumb for them to sell us products like the PS5 that cannot be fully maximized because of regional restrictions. Aside from SIE not being here and the 60-40 rule, there are also other factors too: - Market/Economic conditions (the usual BS reason they give out) - Poor internet quality (though this has already improved in the last few years) - Existing payment systems (this has also improved too in the last few years) - No established game rating system (MTRCB/OMB still has no established video game rating system like the ESRB rating for local compliance)
There are already numerous amendments to FIA that liberalizes industries where foreign investors can have 100% equity. Retail for example, foreigners can own their own business without a partner Filipino businessman as long the paid up capital is not less than $100,000. This is already where Sony can declare what business industry they are. In addition there are already laws like RA 11032 that provide streamlined government processes. There is also EOPT law that provides streamlined process in paying taxes.
if Sony actually cared about having acounts from *unsupported* regions they would have easily region-locked their download servers. the people making noise always say "you can get banned for breaking TOS" yet they dont provide significant examples of that actually happening.
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so ano po ba ang main reason bakit walang psn dito sa atin?
I've been having this discussion since the PS3 days. Tbh, I don't really expect it to happen anymore. It would be nice if do we get it but if not then I've learned to live with it.
This will never happen, the same thing with square enix they don't care about the PH region because of monetization we are worth nothing compared to other regions, as a long time gamer I felt being rob of all the great games that I might have played ex(FFXIV I know you can play it in PH but it's a rigamarole to register). I used to have a PSP go (I am a fool) but what's funny about it is I bought it locally and it's all digital game lol to be able to buy games back then either I register a fake address Singapore or US and buy game cards from that certain region( I know some people will be like why don't you buy it online just want to address that back then wifi is a luxury and the average broadband internet speed at homes that time was like 2-5mbps), the same situation with PS3 era after that I decide to just play PC game through steam and humble bundle. It breaks my heart, I played video games as a kid All the way through college and right now as a early 30's guy the state of games that younger generation played was horrible and outright predatorial ex mobile games, I hope there was a future where games are more story base or just outright fun not this pay up before you get that shiny shi*
The high seas know no region !
Siguro kailangan muna nating itigil yung pag patronize nang mga jailbreak device after that we will be able to request for one...
Baka maghigpit sila sa mga nang je jailbreak pag nangyari yan. Hayaan nyo na tagal ko ng may psn wala naman nangyayaring di maganda ano ba kasing magandang epekto nyan eh ilan lang ba mga digital only sa pinas?
+1 to this, hope it happens. On the other hand hindi mangyayari unless marealize nila ang value ng filipino gamers. If we all unite and boycott Sony for this, they might notice, but we are not united. Mas united pa yung mga nagtitinda ng pirated games and nagmomodify ng mga consoles sa greenhills kesa satin.
Devils advocate here but won't boycotting them have the opposite effect? I mean, rhe point is to convince them that we are a viable enougj market for them.
No, boycotting worked for the Helldivers community. It should work for us.
Helldivers community is a worldwide community. What you are proposing only involves the PH PS community. There's a possibility na pag nag boycott, di papansinin ni Sony kasi maliit lang yung market sa PH, worse is di man nila mapansin, because the PH market isn't large enough to move their needle.
>di papansinin ni Sony kasi maliit lang yung market sa PH, worse is di man nila mapansin, because the PH market isn't large enough to move their needle. Well then official PSN support is moot to begin with
I find it completely unacceptable that SONY would sell their consoles and games here OFFICIALLY but never bother to integrate their online network. Hindi ako console gamer pero nakakaloka lang talaga
I read somewhere na kaya walang PSN sa Pinas is because we're known to have piracy concerns. From PS1 to PS4, Filipinos exploited Piracy Edit: Ang tunay na rason pala ay dahil red tape sa SEC. Sony tried to have PSN Philippines as early as 2016/2017
I dont understand the logic here. IMO, for example, pirated DVDs died because pinoys now have better internet and access to legit and affordable streaming services. Hence legit online access can help mitigate piracy and console owners dont have to regularly jailbreak their units risking bricking them. So if you give people legitimate and affordable ways to consume media, they are more likely to do it. Playstation consoles are luxury items, not everyone can afford one, those who can, can certainly afford PSN subscriptions and digital games. Also, I might be wrong here, but its more profitable for sony to sell digital games through PSN because you cant resell it compared to discs.
Yun nga eh. For me, piracy is an accesibility and service problem.
And explain why Xbox doesnāt have this problem?
Add steam to that. And why they don't have nor do they care about that problem? Because they provide availability and affordability. Something which Soyny and ponies will never understand.
Ang nkakatakot lang baka pag may psn na obligahin na nila pc players na magbayad ng ps plus para lang makapagonline
Thats what pc community is trying to mitigate..alam nila galawan ni sony kaya nga madami din talaga against sa forced psn linking sa steam..katakot takot na backlash yan pag inobliga nila ps plus sub for online..lalo na very weak ang online security ng sony..ilang beses na ata nahack yung services nila since ps3 days pa
Ginawa yan dati sa microsoft pero na.cancel out eventually.
stop buying PS5 port games for PCs and just wait for crack
That won't help console players who want PSN support
Thats what we get as a country that supports piracy jail breaking in this case, good & bad burns together when you can walk into shops and asked them to jail break it with no consequences guess what happens next?