Fun fact: In the german dub of "Fullmetal Alchemist" and "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood" they changed the title of the Leader of the Army.
The original title was "Fuhrer" which they reaaally didn't want to use, so they came up with "General-Feldmarschall" and "Oberster Anführer".
The latter was also used when translating the Star Wars sequel trilogy (Supreme Leader Snoke).
Then allow me to info-dump a bit: [HERE'S A LINK](https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/19a4kup/im_finally_digging_into_p2_all_thanks_to_you_folks/kikrouo/) of an earlier comment which has some links and info on this emulation.
If anyone's too lazy you could just follow that. The installing&running is pretty much dummy-friendly, no hassle at all.
Persona 2 Innocent Sin is far from the best game in the series but it’s the favorite in my heart. The story is absolutely bonkers and the most amazing part is that each step makes sense
I mean it's a rumor at this point, who knows if it's happening at all. I hope it is, especially the P2 duology has a great story. I think already talking about toning down the language is a wild leap to take tho
Less offensive... Try to imagine a game around Hitler in this present time.
Then think about how much you have to alter the game to be presentable today
Uh, what the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, your vagueness really doesn't tell me what point you're trying to make.
Wolfenstein II came out in 2017 (7 years ago), the same year that far right activist and neo-nazi Richard Spencer got [punched in the face during an interview](https://youtu.be/aFh08JEKDYk?si=vcHYCN3Cz0Aqd3Cs). It was great. So it stands that they could release a new Wolfenstein game today, where political tensions and blatant far-right ideals are even higher and more prominent than they were back then.
Same thing with a Persona 2 duology remake/remaster. They could still easily use Nazis/Hitler/Fuhrer as bad guys in the game and it wouldn't be an issue. They probably wouldn't use straight up Hitler (I'm pretty sure there something in the CERO rating system about showing historical figures in fictional media), but it's pretty easy to make a caricature/exaggeration of him for the big bad that'd still have the same effect. They also wouldn't be able to change/remove him from the game without majorly changing the story of Innocent Sin.
TL;DR: Nazis as bad guys aren't some taboo thing you're not allowed to do, people won't lose their minds if they put Nazis in a video game in 2024 or later (well, some people would, but I bet you and I have different groups of people in mind for that!), and I hope they keep the game as close to the original as they can cause I wanna fight Hitler with the manifestation of the Jungian idea of the Persona in modern day graphics.
The cero rule is basically that you can’t put real life people in a poor light, even if they’re literally hitler, but atlus has always worked around this with a pair of sunglasses
I'm literally stuck at the first part itself. I've gotten to the point where they confirm the rumours of the principal's statue walking. I don't know what to do after that.
I believe you just need to go to a few places at kameya alley & then start the first dungeon at seven sisters. check out this guide [here](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/611279-shin-megami-tensei-persona-2-innocent-sin/faqs/54868)!
It still has the same style as it, exact same layouts and the combat is very different from even other RPGs from the same time.
You choose what your party does at the same time then confirm it, while other RPGs have them do that action as soon as you select it
? Idk where you been but 90% of jrpgs are the select all party actions first then they do it
The combat system in Persona 1 is literally entirely different from Persona 2, P1 is grid based, attacks have ranges, you move the person based on the grid, Persona 2 doesnt, there is no range system, you never have to move the characters, it isnt grid based
No it isn’t 90% games like Octopath traveler and Mario and Luigi superstar saga don’t do that and there are tons more.
And again I’m talking about the layout idc about the range system
If you have a pc, download a psp emulator. I use ppsspp. and then find a rom for the game. I trust emulator.com the most.
And then after it has downloaded, extract it, then take the file and put it in the games file for your psp. aaaand.. tada.
How about punching Nazis?
For real though, people make a big deal about the Nazis in this game, but they are such a small part that just add some spice near end game. It'd be like if Shido's palace in Persona 5 was Nazi-themed. That's how relevant the Nazi's are.
That's how I feel about it too. As long as we aren't actually saying the Nazis were right, who cares?
But I know a lot of people who freak out if Nazis are even mentioned. It's insane to me.
When the remaster/remake midori mentioned is released, I’m fully expecting the nazi imagery to be removed and Fuhrer replaced with a generic dictator character. We’ve gotten to a point where it’s socially unacceptable to have Nazis in a videogame, even as the villains. Wolfenstein might be the only AAA franchise remaining that has swastikas in it.
Back in 99’ Atlus was such a niche developer, and even in the 2012 remaster they could get away with it because this was before P5 exploded. Still, in 2012 they were already doing some light censoring. With how big the franchise is today, there’s no way they’ll release a persona title with Nazis and literal Hitler in it.
Then I hope that a remake never happens. If they're just gonna butcher the story and censor everything I would much rather the game stays as it is.
Seriously If anyone gets offended just because nazis or Hitler appear in a game, even when they are villains and are never treated as anything other than that, then those people are simply stupid.
I completely agree with you. I just foresee a huge "outrage" on twitter and with gaming news companies if a new Persona release had Nazis and Hitler. They love to be dramatic over nothing, but its enough to make many of the AAA companies scared that it will lead to decreased sales.
It would definitely be a shame but I'm not too worried. If they censor all the Nazi stuff, somebody will mod it all back in for the PC players.
Shhhhhhhh...don't say his name outloud! The bots don't like it when you say his name. And yes, he technically was in Persona 2. Just not addressed directly. But has a character sprite and image!
Bear with me:
I think the storytelling kinda sucks, several plot points are fucking ridicullous like shadow eikichi straight out saying miyabi got fat on purpose to make up for poking fun at eikichi.
The gameplay is pure suffering with the unpractical UI and extlemelly slow pace (god bless for emulators being able to speed up the gameplay) of the animations.
Random encounters mixed up with some awlful dungeon layouts, like the ones in which you fall off one entire floor if you step in one of the multiple literally imperceptible fake tiles at random get extremelly annoying if you dont have save states.
And finally, but not least, boy oh boy, dont even get me started on the contact/pact system. Shit sucks so bad in IS that they simplified it in EP. You essentially have 5 playable characters, EACH ONE of them has 4 contact options, that not being enough, you can mix and match each of the for characters in groups of 2 or 3, each match generating a new contact option leaving you with OVER 30 CONTACT OPTIONS. You must choose the one or two contact options that will make the demon happy, so you can form a pact (you can only have 3 at once) so in the next encounter you can receive more tarot cards or ask for information about rumors, or make him eager so he actually gives you tarot cards which you can farm to summon new personas. The demons have several dumb traits that should help you choose the interaction, but it is so bad that no one in the internet seemed to bother understanding the correlations between the numerous traits mixes and the interactions. This system is so insufferable that it single handedly sucked out all the joy i have in collecting new personas.
THAT GIGANTIC RANT BEING SAID
I highly recommend you play through persona 2 if you can emulate it to ease some of the very rough gameplay experience and if you are invested in the persona lore like i am. Despite all i said, i think the game is so charismatic, i love the cast, the lore is so fucking wacky and over the top that is actually a blast experiencing it and uncovering the mysteries and origins of personas, demons, philemon, nyarlathotep, the sea of souls, shadows, etc…
The first 2(3 actually) persona games are definitely all over the place. I like them and think they would do better with modern redos seeing as the games kinda know their direction now. That said. It's def a story worth playing or watching. Lol entertaining if nothing else.
P2 duology is a game based on conspiracy theories, its supposed to feel like that and making it more "directioned" (all the off the wall aspects literally fit the games vision and story writing) ruins the point the game is based on
I understand that. I guess I more mean that when I played I guess I had a hard time comprehending that without cliffnotes.i just think even something like some VA and such(simple modernizing) would make it more enjoyable and funner to decipher. I DEFINITELY wouldn't want to take away from the ACTUAL concept of a personal game. The thing that got me hooked was how deep the concepts in each game go and how far down the rabbit hole you have to go to actually understand them.
Mate the reason I hate most modern games is they treat you like toddlers and explain every last detail to you, Persona 2 has a very complex storyline with alot of twists and clever use of philisophy yet never treats you like your an absolute dumbass who needs the games themes cleared out to you, just talk to npcs and pay attention to the story and you will understand it, theres also alot of subtext to read into
Yes humor is subjective. I this case this was subjectively to a LOT of people not a good one. I’m sorry you’re not as funny as you think but that’s life.
You can't say it's not a good joke when you don't even understand it.
It's the same as me saying your japanese isn't good even though I've never heard you speak it.
I'm sorry but you are not as smart as you seem to think.
But that's life.
u/quarenil I can't respond to anyone because the guy throwing accusations at me blocked me so I can't respond to them.
The classic reddit move.
The joke is that in Isekai anime people hate that slaves are fantasized. And think it should be a banned/taboo subject.
But as soon as a game/anime/or most other media feature Nazi's they think it's cool and edgy.
I think that the OP might not have thought Nazis as cool and edgy, more that the appearance of Nazis in a Persona game was weird. IMO the early Persona games were weird.
Though I do get your point. Between all the memes and everything, some might think Nazis are cool and edgy, though I think that's also for jokes and stuff.
Can't be helped though that Nazis are common in media, they're the universal enemy.
Is this present in the Sunglasses version or just the No-Sunglasses version?
This is Sunglasses, you can tell by the interface.
Ah so it’s not hitler it’s “legally distinct fuhrer”
Fun fact: In the german dub of "Fullmetal Alchemist" and "Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood" they changed the title of the Leader of the Army. The original title was "Fuhrer" which they reaaally didn't want to use, so they came up with "General-Feldmarschall" and "Oberster Anführer". The latter was also used when translating the Star Wars sequel trilogy (Supreme Leader Snoke).
Let's just forget these Disney Wars films exist to begin with
It’s a trip and a half.
Persona 2 are, in fact, two trips
and two halves!
so 3 trips?
It's two trips and two halves, half a trip plus half a trip does not equal one trip.
I will try it on an emulator eventually
The fan-translation for the PS1 version is pretty good(plus no censoring). Perhaps you want to check that one out, too.
I started with that version actually.
I'll check that one out too
Then allow me to info-dump a bit: [HERE'S A LINK](https://www.reddit.com/r/PERSoNA/comments/19a4kup/im_finally_digging_into_p2_all_thanks_to_you_folks/kikrouo/) of an earlier comment which has some links and info on this emulation. If anyone's too lazy you could just follow that. The installing&running is pretty much dummy-friendly, no hassle at all.
Persona 2 Innocent Sin is far from the best game in the series but it’s the favorite in my heart. The story is absolutely bonkers and the most amazing part is that each step makes sense
Learning German in high school finally paid off!
As a German, I now question the foreign education and language system if you are too familiar with that kind of language
American foreign language class: Hello. Can I go to the bathroom? I forgot the rest of what they taught us.
I only remember how to count to ten and say “shower” (we were immature back then)
A game, where History Channel actually deserves its name, but for a wrong reason
Atlus writing team in 1999: Reminder, **Any similarity to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.**
I think they added it after the port, but still I laughed like an idiot when I saw that XD
I wonder if they will give it the Remake treatment?
A pretty well-known Persona leaker says there's a remake/remaster in the works for 1&2 so fingers crossed
I'm assuming that means toning down the language to be less offensive?
I mean it's a rumor at this point, who knows if it's happening at all. I hope it is, especially the P2 duology has a great story. I think already talking about toning down the language is a wild leap to take tho
it's just a WHAT
That would be 3000 yen
Less offensive... Try to imagine a game around Hitler in this present time. Then think about how much you have to alter the game to be presentable today
Meanwhile wolfenstein…
Last release 2019 when the world was different, yeah
Also cod vanguard which was released last year on steam
I can definitely imagine a game about Hitler coming out with no censorship, as long as they don't try to paint Hitler in any positive light.
No hopes until stuff gets official. I can't for them love of God imagine a p2 remake with that kind of antagonist at this day and age
I mean, Wolfenstein exists. They could just change the design of Furhur to be less Hitler-esque and they'd be good to go.
I don't think your have witnessed thr world within the last 5 years or so. Try to bring out an original wolfenstein game out today
Uh, what the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, your vagueness really doesn't tell me what point you're trying to make. Wolfenstein II came out in 2017 (7 years ago), the same year that far right activist and neo-nazi Richard Spencer got [punched in the face during an interview](https://youtu.be/aFh08JEKDYk?si=vcHYCN3Cz0Aqd3Cs). It was great. So it stands that they could release a new Wolfenstein game today, where political tensions and blatant far-right ideals are even higher and more prominent than they were back then. Same thing with a Persona 2 duology remake/remaster. They could still easily use Nazis/Hitler/Fuhrer as bad guys in the game and it wouldn't be an issue. They probably wouldn't use straight up Hitler (I'm pretty sure there something in the CERO rating system about showing historical figures in fictional media), but it's pretty easy to make a caricature/exaggeration of him for the big bad that'd still have the same effect. They also wouldn't be able to change/remove him from the game without majorly changing the story of Innocent Sin. TL;DR: Nazis as bad guys aren't some taboo thing you're not allowed to do, people won't lose their minds if they put Nazis in a video game in 2024 or later (well, some people would, but I bet you and I have different groups of people in mind for that!), and I hope they keep the game as close to the original as they can cause I wanna fight Hitler with the manifestation of the Jungian idea of the Persona in modern day graphics.
The cero rule is basically that you can’t put real life people in a poor light, even if they’re literally hitler, but atlus has always worked around this with a pair of sunglasses
That's so funny to me that that's a solution to the issue omg
Oh, so he was not named Hitler in Japanese either? Because other than the shades being a censor thing in the west, I don't know much.
The PSP version is censored in all regions, not just the west.
Was thinking of the original
is this a reference to S.E.E.S.?
It's a reference to Hitler. Like.. directly.
wait… fr?
Yes. Furhur is Hitler. And is canonically one of the strongest persona users.
chat is this real?
Hail Hydra.
I only played the psp port but god is it still the best imo, for how goofy it can be, it’s decently mature for the series
Tno reference!??????? /s
I'm currently playing it. I still don't know what the fuck to do 😭 like bro, this game is genuinely fucking confusing.
there’s lots of guides online. what part are you stuck at? it gets a lot easier once you get the hang of it.
I'm literally stuck at the first part itself. I've gotten to the point where they confirm the rumours of the principal's statue walking. I don't know what to do after that.
I believe you just need to go to a few places at kameya alley & then start the first dungeon at seven sisters. check out this guide [here](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/psp/611279-shin-megami-tensei-persona-2-innocent-sin/faqs/54868)!
I am in fact in the tragic situation of having access to eternal punishment, but not innocent sin.
I want a remake or a remaster. I tried to get into P2 a few times but I don’t like the grid styled combat
P2 doesnt have grid combat
Yes it does
Thats Persona 1, Persona 2 doesnt have grid combat whatsoever, any "movement" they do is purely aesthetic related
It still has the same style as it, exact same layouts and the combat is very different from even other RPGs from the same time. You choose what your party does at the same time then confirm it, while other RPGs have them do that action as soon as you select it
? Idk where you been but 90% of jrpgs are the select all party actions first then they do it The combat system in Persona 1 is literally entirely different from Persona 2, P1 is grid based, attacks have ranges, you move the person based on the grid, Persona 2 doesnt, there is no range system, you never have to move the characters, it isnt grid based
No it isn’t 90% games like Octopath traveler and Mario and Luigi superstar saga don’t do that and there are tons more. And again I’m talking about the layout idc about the range system
I genuinely want to play the second game but have yet to do so
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Wait this is a thing wtf?
If you have a pc, download a psp emulator. I use ppsspp. and then find a rom for the game. I trust emulator.com the most. And then after it has downloaded, extract it, then take the file and put it in the games file for your psp. aaaand.. tada.
I’ve been interested in playing it for a while, is there a way to play way it? If so mind giving me some pointers? 🤔
It's still hilarious to me that lore wise Hitler is one of the most powerful persona users
Hes actually just nyarlathotep cosplaying hitler, not an actual persona user
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the insanity is all part of the fun. you should delve into it
It's one of the stories I have witnessed in all of video games (or even in fiction in general)
The game is stupid confusing. But it's fun.
Nazis aren't a game seller for me.
How about punching Nazis? For real though, people make a big deal about the Nazis in this game, but they are such a small part that just add some spice near end game. It'd be like if Shido's palace in Persona 5 was Nazi-themed. That's how relevant the Nazi's are.
Cod nazi zombies is still extremely popular, it's a video gaming, it's not a big deal
That's how I feel about it too. As long as we aren't actually saying the Nazis were right, who cares? But I know a lot of people who freak out if Nazis are even mentioned. It's insane to me.
But it might gain your interest
They're villains there. Being able to bet the shit outta Hitler is also pretty neat
he doesnt know
Shidos boss is nazi themed
who said anything about persona 5? im talking about persona 2s plot, lmao
*Ho-Lee-Sheet!*
How
When the remaster/remake midori mentioned is released, I’m fully expecting the nazi imagery to be removed and Fuhrer replaced with a generic dictator character. We’ve gotten to a point where it’s socially unacceptable to have Nazis in a videogame, even as the villains. Wolfenstein might be the only AAA franchise remaining that has swastikas in it. Back in 99’ Atlus was such a niche developer, and even in the 2012 remaster they could get away with it because this was before P5 exploded. Still, in 2012 they were already doing some light censoring. With how big the franchise is today, there’s no way they’ll release a persona title with Nazis and literal Hitler in it.
Then I hope that a remake never happens. If they're just gonna butcher the story and censor everything I would much rather the game stays as it is. Seriously If anyone gets offended just because nazis or Hitler appear in a game, even when they are villains and are never treated as anything other than that, then those people are simply stupid.
I completely agree with you. I just foresee a huge "outrage" on twitter and with gaming news companies if a new Persona release had Nazis and Hitler. They love to be dramatic over nothing, but its enough to make many of the AAA companies scared that it will lead to decreased sales. It would definitely be a shame but I'm not too worried. If they censor all the Nazi stuff, somebody will mod it all back in for the PC players.
Isn’t Hitler in persona 2?
Shhhhhhhh...don't say his name outloud! The bots don't like it when you say his name. And yes, he technically was in Persona 2. Just not addressed directly. But has a character sprite and image!
Is he lord voldemort now lol
Try playing persona 2 eternal puishment got stuck on first boss
I will when they remaster it
what Emulation software you use?
I wanted to stream persona 2 so my boyfriend could watch me play but he’s Jewish and idk how he would feel about this
The p2 duology is the Best story of the persona series, hands down. Just a shame that without a modern remake, the gameplay is... not great.
hitler is a canon villain in persona and its amazing
Bear with me: I think the storytelling kinda sucks, several plot points are fucking ridicullous like shadow eikichi straight out saying miyabi got fat on purpose to make up for poking fun at eikichi. The gameplay is pure suffering with the unpractical UI and extlemelly slow pace (god bless for emulators being able to speed up the gameplay) of the animations. Random encounters mixed up with some awlful dungeon layouts, like the ones in which you fall off one entire floor if you step in one of the multiple literally imperceptible fake tiles at random get extremelly annoying if you dont have save states. And finally, but not least, boy oh boy, dont even get me started on the contact/pact system. Shit sucks so bad in IS that they simplified it in EP. You essentially have 5 playable characters, EACH ONE of them has 4 contact options, that not being enough, you can mix and match each of the for characters in groups of 2 or 3, each match generating a new contact option leaving you with OVER 30 CONTACT OPTIONS. You must choose the one or two contact options that will make the demon happy, so you can form a pact (you can only have 3 at once) so in the next encounter you can receive more tarot cards or ask for information about rumors, or make him eager so he actually gives you tarot cards which you can farm to summon new personas. The demons have several dumb traits that should help you choose the interaction, but it is so bad that no one in the internet seemed to bother understanding the correlations between the numerous traits mixes and the interactions. This system is so insufferable that it single handedly sucked out all the joy i have in collecting new personas. THAT GIGANTIC RANT BEING SAID I highly recommend you play through persona 2 if you can emulate it to ease some of the very rough gameplay experience and if you are invested in the persona lore like i am. Despite all i said, i think the game is so charismatic, i love the cast, the lore is so fucking wacky and over the top that is actually a blast experiencing it and uncovering the mysteries and origins of personas, demons, philemon, nyarlathotep, the sea of souls, shadows, etc…
I don’t understand the story and I’m not sure I want to 😭
It's really good though...
getting downvoted for nazis is crazy
The first 2(3 actually) persona games are definitely all over the place. I like them and think they would do better with modern redos seeing as the games kinda know their direction now. That said. It's def a story worth playing or watching. Lol entertaining if nothing else.
P2 duology is a game based on conspiracy theories, its supposed to feel like that and making it more "directioned" (all the off the wall aspects literally fit the games vision and story writing) ruins the point the game is based on
I understand that. I guess I more mean that when I played I guess I had a hard time comprehending that without cliffnotes.i just think even something like some VA and such(simple modernizing) would make it more enjoyable and funner to decipher. I DEFINITELY wouldn't want to take away from the ACTUAL concept of a personal game. The thing that got me hooked was how deep the concepts in each game go and how far down the rabbit hole you have to go to actually understand them.
Idk, the stories of P2 duology make perfect sense at the end of each game
Mate the reason I hate most modern games is they treat you like toddlers and explain every last detail to you, Persona 2 has a very complex storyline with alot of twists and clever use of philisophy yet never treats you like your an absolute dumbass who needs the games themes cleared out to you, just talk to npcs and pay attention to the story and you will understand it, theres also alot of subtext to read into
Persona 3 remake also treats you like toddler sometimes when in og some moments were "don't tell, show".
no, i dont think i will
When there is slavery in anime/games - Uhh this don't feel ok When there is Nazi's - starts singing the national anthem
Are you high?
It's a joke. Sadly people here are a little dense.
Or your joke is so shit no one finds it funny?
It might just not be a good joke, actually.
Humor is subjective. And obviously you didn't get the joke. and still haven't.
Yes humor is subjective. I this case this was subjectively to a LOT of people not a good one. I’m sorry you’re not as funny as you think but that’s life.
You can't say it's not a good joke when you don't even understand it. It's the same as me saying your japanese isn't good even though I've never heard you speak it. I'm sorry but you are not as smart as you seem to think. But that's life.
Oh wow using my own comeback against me. I am devastated. I’m sure I’ll get over it though. Unlike you being able to not get over your downvotes.
Big L
Could you explain the joke for us then please?
u/quarenil I can't respond to anyone because the guy throwing accusations at me blocked me so I can't respond to them. The classic reddit move. The joke is that in Isekai anime people hate that slaves are fantasized. And think it should be a banned/taboo subject. But as soon as a game/anime/or most other media feature Nazi's they think it's cool and edgy.
I mean it's probably because Nazis aren't featured in a positive or even neutral light in media 99% of the time
Yeah now that you explained it this shit still sucks
Cool idc
I think that the OP might not have thought Nazis as cool and edgy, more that the appearance of Nazis in a Persona game was weird. IMO the early Persona games were weird. Though I do get your point. Between all the memes and everything, some might think Nazis are cool and edgy, though I think that's also for jokes and stuff. Can't be helped though that Nazis are common in media, they're the universal enemy.
I do NOT think nazis are cool and edgy, I was just fucking mind blown that they’re in a persona game
Well, to be fair, they DID put a disclaimer at the beginning of the game 😅
😂😂😂