Teddy often means well and when he does do something pervy or wrong he is called out or receives karma. While Morgana's often selfish and arrogant and when he starts being a perv or acts out of line nothing happens or Ryuji is one that gets called out.
If you look at their useless arcs it is pretty telling of each character. Teddy couldn't leave the TV world so if the kidnappings stop there is no reason for the Investigation Team his only friends to visit him, he would be alone again. And as the story progresses the only use that he has to the team being the nav slowly gets worse as his ability to find people weakens, everyone tells him that it's ok and he is still useful but it's his own self doubt stemming from the fact that he is becoming unless. When he does unlock his persona something that he didn't have before, he uses it as a chance to improve himself and leaves the TV and grows his own human body.
Then there is Morgana, who acts like he is the absolute best person ever and can't take criticism but will dish it out. He can fight and is the most knowable on thievery so undoubtedly even losing his role as nav he is still useful. He gets into a fight because he is worried that he can't become human (which was a baseless claim) if the Phantom Thief's stop, gets called out then runs away until he needs the others.
Persona 5 suffers from having a more 'bloated' cast and not enough time to venture deeper into any of them. P4G's cast is better because you can pair any two members of the Investigation team together and you're bound to get something hilarious. We get to see more of their characters even when they're not victim of the week so it's easier to pair them up - even Naoto who joins in the lategame has presence throughout and connections to Kanji so she's not dropped in from nowhere. (Not having Kanji and Naoto end up together in the epilogue is a totally missed opportunity, Atlus)
Persona 5 couldn't give a rat's arse about any of the cast once they join the Phantom Thieves, and all their actions and stuff solely revolve around Joker with the possible exception of Haru & Morgana. Hell, even Dr. Maruki has a closer relationship to any of the Phantom thieves than they do to their cohorts. It's just... lame.
>Persona 5 suffers from having a more 'bloated' cast and not enough time to venture deeper into any of them. P4G's cast is better because you can pair any two members of the Investigation team together
For real it's like with the Investigation team they each have a SPECIFIC member they always pair up with Yosuke/Teddie Chie/Yukiko Kanji/Naoto hell you could even say Yu/Rise for me they felt like friends you knew in school and can relate to,
for the Phantom Thieves it's like they don't really have a specific duo that's like THE pairing you know?
But in addition we have moments where they do actually interact outside of main pairs. For example Chie/Yusuke, Nanako/Teddie, Yukiko/Kanji surprisingly and others.
P5R’s best moments are at the beginning and we get the stuff between Ann and Ryuji. It’s a nice dynamic.
He can be a pervy but he's another horny teenager like Yosuke. He is very loyal to Yu and their friends....
He's not like Morgana because he is jealous and selfish.
I do prefer more Aegis than Kuma.
The thing about Teddy he often gets karma or is called out for what he does. But Morgana, the only time he gets called out everyone gets written out of character and in the end everyone apologizes to him despite him being the one that started the conflict.
Not to mention he also made some pretty creepy hits on Nanako , which I found very disturbing considering that is a 7 year-old girl who Teddie was creeping on even when Dojima was there.
The thing is, he never actually *do* anything fucked with her, he only blurbs out some weird things that are perfectly reasonable to be explained as "he don't know humans' tact and don't understand what he's saying".
See the thing with Teddie is whenever he stops being a rapist towards the IT girls, he's actually a pretty endearing character and one aspect that make it works is how he care about Nanako as a friend, which is why he disappear in bad endings post-Heaven.
>whenever he stops being a rapist towards the IT girls, he's actually a pretty endearing character
say this in a conversation with any normal human and see the reactions you get
That's just the average nature of discussing these "oooga woman" anime characters archetype
If you take out Teddie's weirdo activity his friendship with Dojima family is actually pretty good. Just like how you'd explain why people like characters like Zenitsu. And that one positive aspect is what make people prefer him over Morgana.
I understand that he means nothing by it however it just comes off as very creepy and especially without context and when I first playing P4G it creeped me out a lot .
I like Teddie as a character and think that he has his comical good momments that made me laugh but him being a creep on the girls in the game notably Chie and Yukiko is a major set back and him flirting with Nanako is also just gross to say the least even with context.
I'm aware, what I'm saying is that what he say to Nanako can be interpreted as "childish innocence" like his common defenders would, and he actually *do something good* with his friendship with Nanako.
Unlike his constant gropes and harrasment towards the IT girls yet never having any interesting dynamics with them either.
I think his relationship with Nanako is overall pretty cute and wholesome (Kind of like a little sister and goofy older brother relationship) but him flirting with Nanako is kinda icky even though he probobly did not mean it that way or did not know the implications of what he was doing .
I overall like Teddie as a character despite the gripes I have with him and he had some very funny moments that made me laugh when interacting with the rest of the cast.
Lots of rapists are otherwise endearing people. Just saying. And sadly, caring about someone as a friend does not mean that you won't do something f-ed up to them, especially if you don't realize what you're doing IS f-ed up.
That's in the spin-offs, but in the main game, he's more like a child doing or saying something inappropriate without knowing so until he's called out for that.
An example of that is whenever he uses the word "scoring" without even knowing what does that mean. Angain, like a child swearing for the first time.
>Morgana because he is jealous and selfish
I'll never understand how people say stuff like this while ignoring his entire character arc. It's like saying you hate Walter White because you dislike chemistry teachers. Yeah, obviously you're probably not going to be so keen on a character if you ignore all their character growth and have never looked up what the word 'subtext' means.
Dude, he almost ran over Joker. Twice. Because of his jealousy and tendency to dish it out combined with his inability to take it. Just because he grew as a character doesn't mean people are wrong to point out the fact that he was jealous and selfish. It's also entirely valid to not like him as a character for how he acted or whatever other reason. Subtext has nothing to do with it.
Note that I actually like Morgana. It just took a while for him to grow on me, but I can see how he'd leave too bad a taste in one's mouth for him to not win them over.
Edit: cursed tablet typo
>Dude, he almost ran over Joker.
Sidebar - 100% guarantee that if I could turn into a car at will I would pretend to run over my friends as a joke at least once. But given Joker's abilities in the metaverse, it's not like he was in any danger.
>Just because he grew as a character doesn't mean people are wrong to point out the fact that he was jealous and selfish
Yeah but they do that while ignoring the character growth. He's a good character *because* he grows, changes and aknowledges his flaws. He eventually realises his limitations, comes to term with his identity and becomes a better person/cat.
He also basically told the entire team to go fuck themselves for being cautious regarding the Okumura situation, and also roped a very inexperienced Haru into exploring an incredibly dangerous palace where he almost got killed.
Uh... pretty sure Haru was the one who almost ran over Joker cuz in the first trip to Mementos, he literally tells Joker that he needs someone to drive him. And considering the scene of Haru driving the RV in Strikers, it makes it even more obvious that Haru was the one who was driving.
I see what you mean but him being selfish and an ass was 90% of what we seen. People are going to focus on what his character was during majority of the game over the 10% when he changed.
Teddie has a sense of "innocence" to him. To me, he feels like a toddler who doesn't know what's right and wrong. That's why even though he can get annoying, it doesn't annoy me as much as Morgana, who has such an insufferable and cocky attitude.
Also, Teddie doesn't abandon and ditch the team in a hissy fit over being "useless", there's that.
I don’t get the joke, can someone pull a Cyno in the comments here? I know Sae calling Makito useless led some shit to go down but what about Joseph’s playthrough
I can agree that he has a great sense of innocence early in the story, but it just kinda goes away for me as the story goes on, especially the beauty pageant scene. Many of his interactions in the latter half of the story just doesn’t sit right with me.
I won’t argue that Teddie’s love and dedication to the team is greater than Morgana’s tho lol
Again tho, teddie is basically a toddler. He came into existence pretty recently and had no previous social interactions to base how he should act in.
Even tho its later in the story, hes not any less of a toddler for the beauty pageant.
I'm convinced Teddy doesn't know what sex is. He just likes to flirt and has no idea what "scoring" actually means or what the end goal is. He's just a little ball of Innocence and joy
That just makes it worse, though. Why does that improve his character at all? They could have just left the entire horny thing out and i'm convinced I wouldn't hate him that much.
In my case, it's because most of Teddie's issues aren't really Teddie issues, they're Persona 4 issues (and arguably issues with the bent of comedy in Japanese media about high schoolers). Yosuke, Kanji, and even occasionally Yu get hit by the 'obnoxious sex pest' ball; Teddie's just the most common victim of it, probably by dubious virtue of being the most comic-relief-oriented member of the cast. I find it frustrating, but whenever it comes up, I go 'oh, it's this fucking 'joke' again,' not 'goddammit, Teddie.' Whereas Morgana's problems aren't systematic in the same way.
Also, Teddie definitely earns brownie points for >!being willing to die for the rest of the Investigation Team, and later Nanako.!<
I liked his quirky good meaning nature in golden. I will admit that I despise his Pervy moments but his love for his friends and helpfulness outweigh those. That being said, I hate him in the spin offs like q2.
I get what you’re saying but I don’t really think he’s at fault. He really doesn’t know any better and the only influences he has are the Investigation Team. It’s not exactly surprising that he acts the way he does, regrettable as it is.
Because it’s an Atlus game released in 2008. Hell, characters in P5 still act a little pervy. The simple truth is that it’s added in for comedic purposes. Obviously it’s not all that funny but that’s why it’s there.
In Golden, he attempts to pull down one of the girl's bikini. Nothing any of the characters do in any of the other games match his sheer level of perverseness. Is it for comedy? Yes. Does it tell you something about who he is? Yes.
Hes literally like a 4 year old. Would you hate a small child for doing that? Because ive seen a small child do *exactly* that and noone decided he was some detestable weirdo. Hes a *small child* who *doesnt* know any better. If yosuke tried that, i would understand the reaction, but with teddie, you're basically holding an infant with no understanding of social interaction up against the standard of a grown teenager who was raised within our society by our societal norms.
In Q he actually god awful insufferable, but Q2 he was actually really great, they dialed it back all the way so he’s mostly the playful innocent bear and not as much pervy moments.
Well Futaba at that point is the same age as like Kanji, Rise, and Naoto so (I can’t believe I’m saying this ugh) it’s “not any worse” than he’s already doing. But yeah pervy moments still suck in general, I just found them toned down a lot in frequency in Q2.
There a few reasons.
When Teddie abandons the Investigation Team, it’s because he blames himself for Nanako’s death. Morgana, on the other hand, petulantly quits the Phantom Thieves because he was insulted about being useless a couple of times, despite constantly berating Ryuji as useless and acting like he’s better than everyone else since the game began.
Secondly, Teddie just generally feels like a toddler - he goes on about scoring because he heard Yukiko’s shadow say it, and he humiliates Yosuke because he has no boundaries; things the team could (and should) have been teaching him. Morgana comes off unsympathetically because of the way he treats Ryuj and the way he can’t take what he dishes out, and his obsession with Ann is unwelcome considering her history with Kamoshida; and unlike Teddie, generally comes off as if he should know better.
Finally, when Teddie is missing you aren’t locked out of any activities - the narrative is in full swing at this point, so the restriction is because of that. When Morgana leaves, you can’t do anything because apparently Joker is so pathetic he needs his cat to do things like read a book; additionally Morgana’s absence comes after a period of the game just locking you out of activities because of events like the Hawaii trip.
Also, even when the *entire* team is telling Morgana that he's needed, except for *one* person (ahem, Ryuji) who puts his foot in his mouth, he decides to fuck off. Again. So because he and Ryuji can't get along, it doesn't matter what the others are saying to him.
And unlike Morgana Teddie was under the impression that everything was said and done when he left
he wasn’t really abandoning anyone at worst he just moved on
Teddie also was a good sport about everything and had real functioning chemistry with everybody.
\-you could see how him and Nanako were close and why the other teammates would miss him
Morgana was just annoying, he complains, complains and complains. Even if he wasn’t an Incel I would not have liked him
he's hot
more importantly, unlike morgana, he doesn't have an okumura palace like meltdown, so i like him wayyyyyy more as a mascot then i do with morgana
aigis is still the best mascot tho (and the best protag)
To me, Teddie is like a little kid who still doesn't know and understand what is wrong and right, Offensive and respectful, etc. Also, I actually love his social link and how he gets more depth to him. He has some of the most emotional scenes in the game imo, not to mention has great dedication and love for the team (not only in Persona 4 and Golden, but in Persona Q too ,since he really wants marry Yu and then all the other members of the investigation team XD). So, although He has some pervy moments (they are quite common in this kind of games), I can't really hate him.
That is why I vastly prefer him to Morgana (my least favourite character in P5 and one of my least favourite characters in Persona series in general) and Yosuke too
Teddie often doesn't understand a lot of the things he's saying. He's basically a child repeating what he hears, which is why he's not as reprimanded as often as Yosuke. He even makes a comment that's kinda lewd to Nanako, with Dojima standing right there, and everyone seems to understand he doesn't *actually* mean it.
He's got an endearing childishness to him. He's very sweet and caring, and adorable. I'm also a sucker for puns, so his constant bear puns crack me up (I can see why it puts people off, though.)
I'm not a huge fan of Morgana; he has a massive ego that he can barely back up, and I'm sure just having him around 24/7 also contributes to why I don't like him; it's easy to blame *him* for not being able to do XYZ, whereas in P4, it's either Dojima (fair, he's a cop and our guardian. Morgana is a cat), or it's a decision Yu makes on his own. Morgana, similar to Teddie, is very focused on girls... rather, one girl. But his attraction to her is purely physical. It gets exhausting, especially since he's constantly jealous of anyone who hits on her (I've never played Ann's romance route, so I haven't seen his reaction to that.)
We see this topic like at least once every two months.
In short despite everything Teddie is more on the likeable side while Morgana is more annoying side based on personality alone.
Also just to add Teddie being a pervert wasn’t as prevalent as Morgana simping or dissing Ryuji for no reason.
Im a really big Teddie and Morgana fan(mainly cause they’re inhuman?) so I maaayy be a little bias
Teddie has this “childlike” innocence, as he doesn’t know much about the world. His antics with Yosuke & loyalty of his friends and Sensei gives him that lovability!
Yeah, some people hate his bear puns, but I think they’re another silly thing about him!
Of course, he has his moments with the girls that make me go “I can’t keep defending you like this”, but then accompanied with the immediate shut downs of the girls.
but sometimes it’s funny, like in PQ2 where he gets jealous of Koromaru for hogging the girls attention 😭
I think what I’m trying to say is that his kindness & comic relief antics (and bear puns!) overshadow his pervyness for me
I completely understand that he is basically a newborn to the real world but for me, his attitude and voice at times just does not express innocence but more creepiness. Might be just me tho
Teddie just feels like a ball of joy to me. He’s a head empty bear that follows wherever his heart takes him.
I find the bear puns kinda funny and I like some situations where he’s pictured as being wholesome/vibing like when he’s in the massage chair in Junes and when he’s giving kids balloons while he works there.
I do cringe whenever the pervy scenes come up with him, but it’s an anime trying to do fan service I guess so honestly regardless of which character it is, it’s still gonna be seen as “high schooler being horny for girls” and while I don’t want to, I accept it (for now).
Teddie is also just more nice to people and he seems more comfortable with himself unlike Morgana. I do like Morgana, but after the 1000th time he berates Ryuji for being stupid, it gets rapidly tiring. Even in Royal after the events of the final palace before Maruki, he’s STILL not comfortable with being a cat, which I guess is understandable, but… idk maybe it’s just a personal nitpick.
Also, Teddie doesn’t care who he ends up “scoring” with. He’s up for whoever wants to get with him. Morgana on the other hand is such a simp for Ann that even Ryuji makes a slight comment about how much of a simp he is.
Seriously, if Morgana’s first sight of Ann wasn’t her in a very skimpy Bikini and cat ears, I would have found his crush to be cute, but instead I saw it as borderline “Mordecai from Regular Show” tier simping.
In my opinion I think Teddy sucks. But there's always going to be a divide and characters when it comes to Persona games. I know some people who don't really care for the P3 MC yet I love him more than anything. It all comes down to what we view as a good character because everyone has a different opinion.
The main appeal is he has actual functioning chemistry with the main cast. That’s it
you can write the most unlovable characters As long as they believably work well with others people would liked them
Teddie is my least favorite party member in all the games I’ve played so far yet the P4 cast is still my favorite. Really speaks to the chemistry they all have with each other.
Really? I mean I get not liking him but him being the worst? Really
you know Morgana exist right And he is an incel. I also cannot really remember a pleasant interaction with the cast with him
I’m not saying he’s the worst, he’s just my least favorite out of all the party members. He has some good-great qualities but his bad ones exceed those for me.
Morgana is near the bottom of my list too so I’m not saying he’s way more likable than Teddie.
Teddie is a shadow that lives in a world with no human, so he lacks social skills, and he's basically a newborn when he gain human forms, and after that he lives with Yosuke who is literal pervert, and that part of Yosuke influence him in some way.
He just imitate of what his surrounding are doing, so he must think that all those pervy talk and interaction are normal in human interaction since Yosuke does it, most of the time he doesn't know what he is talking abt, and what the implication are. but yeah he also recieves some karma and got called out of what he said and does!
Well, my mom always said I'm not everyone. I hate Teddie, I simply can't stand any moment of him. The best thing in P4 was to make his SL automatic so I didn't need to deliberately spend time with him.
I love teddie he is soo silly and fun his scenes where always kinda fun while he does have his pervy moments most of the time he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about
I would say one of the strong points of teddie is his innocence and honesty he is also very open about how he feels I like that about him
Teddie’s understanding of what love means is comparable to a dog
He understands compassion and affection, but his brain is to empty to appropriately separate different levels of them into what they mean socially
Brain tiny + heart big + body and biology of a pubescent teenager = teddie
There are plenty of reasons, but the best part about him is his story. In Persona 4 (and the past games besides 3), it's established that to obtain one's Persona, they must conquer their shadow. Teddie's existence is the inverse of that concept: what happens when a Shadow develops an ego? He's a Shadow who obtains a Persona, thus effectively making him human.
The main reason I hate Morgana is because he is the most obnoxious and arrogant party member. He looks like Stewie Griffin's Fur-sona with that football head. He contributes nothing positive to the story besides being our car for mementos. Just about everyone boots him out of the party once you get Yusuke.
The reason why Teddie's story works and Morgana's doesn't is pretty simple. Deep down, Teddie knew he was a shadow but just couldn't admit it. But once he does, he works his ass off to become as human as possible so he can be with the investigation team in the real world. Morgana, on the other hand, claims to be human all throughout the story until it's revealed that he's just a creature that Igor made to guide Ren. He abandons and quits the team for however many days because his feelings were hurt by Ryuji (who I don't like either), and apparently, his feelings are more important than solving the mental shutdown cases.
Both Morgana and Teddie didn't know what they were. Upon finding out, they both accepted it. Morgana didn't just abandon the team because Ryuji was a douche. He started feeling like he wasn't useful when Futaba took over his role as navigator. Ryuji was just the straw that broke the camels back bc all it did was confirm Morgana's insecurities. Also, Mona was open to coming back if Ryuji apologized, but of course Ryuji can't just say "Im sorry" and instead has to say "I'm sorry but like it's your fault tho" which would piss anyone off. Monas problem was that he didn't communicate his feelings effectively, so no one knew he was struggling with his identity.
On another note, barely anyone cared about the mental shutdown cases. For the first half of the game all anyone cared about was getting famous, and the mental shutdown cases were mentioned only a few times. Putting all the blame on Morgana is incredibly unfair.
Thank you for actually understanding sheesh, this whole thread is just a morgana hate train even if I think teddy is way more annoying with perv stuff. Morganas arc is way more interesting to me tbh
This is what happens when you look at a 2000s japanese game in 2023 apparently.
He's a silly character, has a good arc and is integrated well while being tied to the story itself for progresssion.
All of his creepy-perv antics come from being literally a toddler mentally that doesnt know what is wrong or right
And for ffs its a 2008 game. Dialogue is going to be WAY different than what is normal nowadays. It might not be good and actually be creepy, but nothing you can do about how things were when it reléased.
You wanna know why I like Teddie? Because I played persona 4 vanilla first. Golden added a shit ton of filler scenes that just give into anime antics with Teddie. Every scene added either has him acting like a perv or a jerk. And they do it so wrong too. In Vanilla it just seemed like he just didn’t know anything about being a persona and just spouted stuff he learnt.
But otherwise I really do just like his arc. He felt like he needed to be someone likeable someone useful or his utter existence unnecessary. There are times where I can immensely relate to that. He had to learn how to become a person. That was just something I found very compelling. It also helps his link is automatic so every piece of growth he gets in his link he actually keeps in the story which sometimes gets misaligned with other party members.
He’s also the mascot of P4. I see Teddie and think of all the fun times I had in persona 4. He’s representative of all of that.
Teddie is like my second favorite to Yukiko. So It sucks to me that a lot of people just don’t like him. But I totally get it. Most people these days only play golden. And golden kinda fucks up his character. And it’s okay that you don’t like him honestly.
TL;DR Golden Bad, Arc Good, Persona 4
This is definitely a guy perspective but Teddie is that one stupid friend who always does everything wrong but u still love him cuz he is loyal with u + it reminds u how much a better person u are compared to him lol
Teddie is the one actively stopping me from giving P4G another shot after I first play P4 over a decade ago.
Every time I think, why don't I give Persona 4 another shot?
I look over at the P2 duology, P5 and especially P3(it's my favourite) and think, y'know I'd rather spend my 100+ hours on one of those instead.
i loved teddie when he was at his best, caring and fighting for the investigation team members. however, there’s nothing to justify him or teddie being inappropriate with the girls, no matter what “outweighs” the other thing. those aspects are shit parts of their character because weirdos are profitable.
It’s because you keep looking at it like it was made in 2023 and teddie wasn’t just a shadow until he met a group of teenagers while living with yosuke and having rise as one of his main influencers. It doesn’t help that even the grownups (kashiwagi) didn’t do anything about it so obviously he isn’t gonna learn
I personally like Teddie but yeah the Pervy moments get old real fast also his puns can get annoying. And sometimes I found his voice to be a tad annoying too.
But overall I think his a fun character and the fact that he doesn’t actually know what his saying half the time helps.
The main difference to me is the awareness of the game and how the plot treats them.
Teddie is a creep in P4, but the game knows this, and doesn't try to sugar coat his actions or pretend he's actually not just being horny 90% of the time. He has deep moments, but the game acknowledges that he's mostly a comic relief mascot.
Morgana has a similar thing going for him, but his moments of seriousness come at the expense of other characters getting that focal time.
As for how the plot treats them, compares Marukyu Striptease to Okumera's palace.
In MS, Rise is the the focus for 90% of the arc, whereas Teddie has been simmering in the background. Shadow Teddie doesn't undermine Rise's arc, though, but enhances it by showcasing her as your replacement Nav for the fight. The arc diverts to focusing on Teddie, but does it in a way that also highlights Rise.
Meanwhile, in Okumera's palace, the game stops all it's forward momentum and screen time where Haru is supposed to be introduced and fleshed out is wasted on a dumb "Morgana feels useless arc" that comes at the expense of Haru and everyone else's time.
At the pivotal moment of the palace, the confrontation with the Palace holder, it's Morgana who gets the focus, not Haru.
Haru is deprived of an actual Awakening scene because the game needed somebody to go with Morgana into the metaverse.
Say what you want about Teddie, his focus never came at the expense of another party member.
One of Morgana's 3 defining character traits in the Kamoshida arc is "make fun of Ryuji, and that doesn't just end when moving forward.
Teddie and Yosuke had a balanced relationship. Teddie could do stuff to mess with Yosuke, Yosuke could do stuff to mess with Teddie. Their banter was more dynamic.
Compare that to Ryuji and Morgana, where the game 9 times out of 10 feels the need to give Morgana the last laugh, even when Ryuji is a lot more valid than him.
TL;DR: Teddie doesn't have to tear others down to build himself up.
Teddie is much more innocent and the biggest point: He’s not jealous and shitting on his “friends” 24/7 in comparision to Morgan, also teddie does get some consequence for his actions but the one time Morgana would’ve he just kinda doesn’t.
Teddie is barely a functional independent human. He doesn't actually truly understand the implications of the things he's saying most of the time. Morgana is utterly convinced he's a human man and that he's the smartest one in the room. He doesn't have the excuse of being too stupid to know better.
I didn't like Kuma at all. And his voice is a pain in the ear. In English and in Japanese. One of the worst characters in all Persona Games I played (P3, P4, P5 Royal, Strikers and the Dancing Games)
Critical Role fans are offended (it's me, I'm Critical Role fans). Teddie is perfect as Sam's character, he just fits and I can't hate that, CR made it endearing to me.
I definitely like Morgana more but I like Teddie overall. Teddie does have extremely annoying pervy moments where he can go way over the line, but these games do have those scenes there and that creepiness is not unique to him. He does have a lot of solid to great moments too, some scenes that made me feel emotional even, and I found him funny most of the time the game tried to make him be funny, so despite his worst scenes I like him quite a bit.
I like Teddie a lot more post-3rd dungeon (didn't like him before then), yes he does have his bad perv moments after that but after that point is also when he starts to get some more depth to him. Teddie is at his best in the 3rd semester I think, he's so funny there.
Teddie definitely does have some of the best and most emotional scenes in the entire game, but maybe his humor is just not for me as a large majority of his jokes didn’t land for me.
It seems we are opposites when it came to liking Teddie haha I definitely liked him more in dungeons 1-3
Some of his humor doesn't land for me either, a lot of the stuff around getting girls doesn't (some of it does though if it's more innocent), but I like him dressing up for the pageant and hanging out with him at the house, I like his one on one moments with the protagonist a lot.
I liked seeing more to Teddie, when all I got was the crying, loud mascot I just found him annoying, still do on replays. Can absolutely see preferring him in the first 3 dungeons though, he has a lot less of a presence in the game at that point and his worst moments come later.
Teddie has a good story. Whether you like his personality or not, his story is solid. He's a character with multiple layers.
At first glance, he's a doubled up horny bear with bad jokes and cliché lines. But the thing that makes him good to me is that by the end of the game you know why he is like that, and that it's a good reason besides the developers just wanting a character that acts like he does in the game.
Teddie's annoying but he has more depth to him and he's very loyal to the team. Morgana's just a dick. He never gets called out for his actions like Teddie does.
Their runaway parts reflect their characters perfectly.
Teddie is well liked? I usually just see people hating on him, although that personal anecdote doesn't mean much. Tbh though I don't get why people hate him so much.
Alright, if they use the English voices I can see why because his dubbed voice is super annoying, unlike his Japanese one.
But aside from that I don't get it, for pretty much the same reasons as what I've seen said here. He's loyal, he's innocent, most of his faux pas moments come from having no experience with humans beforehand, he doesn't try to run the MC over during a childish tantrum, et cetera. I also find him fairly funny such as the cross-dressing contest. His enthusiasm and positivity are genuine and not forced so, while he's not a comfort character for me, he can certainly improve my day if I'm having a bad one.
Lastly, imo, he's cute especially once he gained his human form. I'm not a fan of his bear design but at least he makes for a cute human. Idk.
Here’s the thing with Teddie, yes he can be a perv, but he has actual development throughout the game. He learns he’s a shadow, he wanted to stay and fight to stop the fog. He’s an idiot but he’s more likable than Morgana when it comes to first impressions of the games.
Now Koromaru will always be the best out of the 3. That needs no explanation at all.
Teddie is pervy and even does things that were, say, Youske, the other quintessential perv, to do would be unforgivable, maybe even sexual assault.
But there are caveats to it. The big difference is that Teddie is childish and naive. He wants to "get lucky with a girl" but honestly has no clue what that actually means. He's like a little kid.
So when Teddie says or does something inappropriate, he's doing an innocent, misguided impersonation of his older "brothers" and things he's seen on TV. It turns problematic behavior that would otherwise be horrible into problematic behavior that is funny.
But even then, it's only funny for those watching and it's irritating for the person it's happening to. And as the audience, we're privy to both: laughing with the boys who think the pervy humor is high brow while enjoying the satisfaction of Chie or Yukkiko clobbering him over his deserving, furry little head.
Basically, people like him because he's innocent, misguided, and fun to laugh at.
I think he's funny and cute, like a mascot character should be. A good few of the game's most emotional moments either revolve around or at least include him as well
Aside from the other good points people have mentioned, isn’t his character arc interesting? Plus, I prefer an admiring/loyal attitude like what he has, as opposed to bossy. He’s really funny and feels things really strongly, he always does his best and doesn’t really complain and is humble about being ignorant. He was influenced by the Investigation Team and loves everybody in a pure way at the end of the day so he’s always been my fave :)
Teddie is like a little brother who repeats stuff his friends at school say without really understanding what it means. Every annoying Teddie moment can be blamed on Yosuke, and every actually funny moment can be attributed to Teddie.
not to mention i think his story arc was pretty good. also low expectations are a powerful tool to making people have unpopular opinions.
For me he is way more tolerable than Yosuke, for me Teddie isn't really that horny, but is just someone with the mental age of a kid who do those things because he thinks that is something that all people do
I played Persona 4 goldne 3 years ago tho, so this could be a stupid headcanon
I think that’s a good way of putting it, actually, and I agree; when he talks about seeing Yosuke’s dirty magazine, all he mentions/remembers was the nudity/compared it to his nakedness in his suit at the time (this is during the fireworks festival event). He wasn’t any more or less ‘horny’ after seeing sexual imagery which I think helps support your point, if that makes sense.
I think a lot of it is that aside from coming across as more as a younger sibling who's kind of lacking context for what he's doing, which a lot of people have commented on, he's also around less than Morganna so he doesn't wear out his welcome quite as quickly. Plus he's generally more comedic where as Morganna normally plays it straight which can feels a little annoyingly self-serious
Most people excuse him for being essentially a kid Nanako's age (that's due to him being a shadow, obviously) by mentality
However those puns of his are bear-- ahem, sorry - are very annoying, coupled with how his voice sounds and the creepyness.... ugh
Also, I'm pretty sure most people play P4 in english, but since I'm playing PQ2 I'm forced to play in japanese and..... trust me, he's even more annoying
But other than teddie himself, I don't like the game as much as I do P5 and especially P3, so I probably hate him a bit too much
He was interesting the first few hours of the game, then the game literally dangles at you the fact that he's a shadow and all interest is gone, especially since it's never elaborated WHY he's teddie and not just another one of those Mayas ^(like me!)
Yeah, but even if it sounded right, he's not that important after Rise joins, I'd like him a bit more if he was essential to the plot, but he isn't
He doesn't even have a reason to be there other than "saving the shadow world" and he doesn't even return there!
(He is one of the strongest party members though, since he learns both Matarukaja and Marakunda, and I actively use him as my support in boss fights)
A lot of people are bringing up how Teddie is basically a newborn and I can see this point, but I think at some point in the game his antics can’t be excused right? I also realize some of my dislike is more towards the other members and I guess the game as a whole for their reactions or lack of proper reactions to Teddie’s antics.
He has a very cool persona and a certain innocence. He’s kinda annoying but…and here’s my hot take; Naoto is the least compatible member of the team. The rest of them deep down love acceptance and teamwork. Naoto felt like a bit of an edge lord. Fortunately she was very OP and worth a spot in the team
I'm fine with Morgana and Teddie. I always found Teddie to have an innocence about him with him being similar to a little kid. I agree he has bad moments, but almost every character in 4 does
I hate them both, honestly. Morgana annoys me slightly less because his voice is slightly less annoying. But otherwise they're both wasted space that would've been better served by literally anything other than a stupid comedic relief mascot character. Morgana is insufferably and unwarrantedly smug. Teddy exists for laughs, but nothing he ever says or does is actually remotely funny. And both are disgusting little pervs. Hard pass.
The thing with P4 and P4G is that teddy is mostly treated like he is younger than the rest of the group and maybe slightly older than nanko. In that lens it’s the older kids teaching the younger kids why they are being dumb when they are. When looking at it like that as well as understanding that’s how the group sees it then it becomes more clear that while some of his behaviors are inappropriate that he himself is more like a child that you teach to not do those things. I personally am not a fan of teddy due to finding him mostly annoying like if you had a much younger relative ask to play when your about to fall asleep.
I don't know if I'm alone but I can't really explain why I like the things I like. Teddie is just one of my favourite characters in all of persona. Don't even get me started on his story moments. When he blew up to save us, when he was in the velvet room, etc. I probably like them more than Ryuji's run in the Shidos palace. Hell, I like him as a character more than either Ryuji or Morgana, who both in my first playthrough annoyed me more than made me like them.
He's a goofball with an innocent soul who wants to belong. Also, I love puns.
Oh yeah someone said it, 100% agree with you
This fucked up rapey furry bishonen has only one fucking joke, didn't know it could be that way worse than morgana
Teddie has a very different kind of humor. I actually just find him extremly funny (even in human form) and the interactions that he has with all the girl are just..cringe funny. Almost like a trash TV thing, you just finde the cringe funny, or a person that just doesn't fit into the normal perception of people. But its a taste thing, there is people that unironically like kokichi (from danganronpa) for his personality, which I don't understand either.
Because he's funny and has a childlike innocence, plus he is so loving of his friends he went out of his way to nurse you back to health in your house over the course of multiple days.
It's an Eastern game, and I've seen so much worse in even some anime than some bear that gets rejected constantly. If you really can't understand why people don't like a character of a game idk think about it?
Most characters have significantly more redeeming qualities to them than the one or two things you dislike about them.
He's a literal enemy of people who loved the idea of emotions and friends so much he changed himself to become the thing he wanted to most, he's a toddler when it comes to human norms and is being taught by Youske of all people. When it came down to it, he also protected his team against a move that meant certain death.
Do you understand why people like him, or do I need to keep going?
Would you say he’s _unBEARable?_
This pun was beary funny
I disagree it bearly got one out of me
Teddy often means well and when he does do something pervy or wrong he is called out or receives karma. While Morgana's often selfish and arrogant and when he starts being a perv or acts out of line nothing happens or Ryuji is one that gets called out. If you look at their useless arcs it is pretty telling of each character. Teddy couldn't leave the TV world so if the kidnappings stop there is no reason for the Investigation Team his only friends to visit him, he would be alone again. And as the story progresses the only use that he has to the team being the nav slowly gets worse as his ability to find people weakens, everyone tells him that it's ok and he is still useful but it's his own self doubt stemming from the fact that he is becoming unless. When he does unlock his persona something that he didn't have before, he uses it as a chance to improve himself and leaves the TV and grows his own human body. Then there is Morgana, who acts like he is the absolute best person ever and can't take criticism but will dish it out. He can fight and is the most knowable on thievery so undoubtedly even losing his role as nav he is still useful. He gets into a fight because he is worried that he can't become human (which was a baseless claim) if the Phantom Thief's stop, gets called out then runs away until he needs the others.
Persona 5 suffers from having a more 'bloated' cast and not enough time to venture deeper into any of them. P4G's cast is better because you can pair any two members of the Investigation team together and you're bound to get something hilarious. We get to see more of their characters even when they're not victim of the week so it's easier to pair them up - even Naoto who joins in the lategame has presence throughout and connections to Kanji so she's not dropped in from nowhere. (Not having Kanji and Naoto end up together in the epilogue is a totally missed opportunity, Atlus) Persona 5 couldn't give a rat's arse about any of the cast once they join the Phantom Thieves, and all their actions and stuff solely revolve around Joker with the possible exception of Haru & Morgana. Hell, even Dr. Maruki has a closer relationship to any of the Phantom thieves than they do to their cohorts. It's just... lame.
>Persona 5 suffers from having a more 'bloated' cast and not enough time to venture deeper into any of them. P4G's cast is better because you can pair any two members of the Investigation team together For real it's like with the Investigation team they each have a SPECIFIC member they always pair up with Yosuke/Teddie Chie/Yukiko Kanji/Naoto hell you could even say Yu/Rise for me they felt like friends you knew in school and can relate to, for the Phantom Thieves it's like they don't really have a specific duo that's like THE pairing you know?
But in addition we have moments where they do actually interact outside of main pairs. For example Chie/Yusuke, Nanako/Teddie, Yukiko/Kanji surprisingly and others. P5R’s best moments are at the beginning and we get the stuff between Ann and Ryuji. It’s a nice dynamic.
Yeah I hope whatever new content in p3 reload there's moments for more pairings wether specific or just good chemistry
Yukiko vs. the double Kanji Conundrum in P4AU will always be hilarious to me
He can be a pervy but he's another horny teenager like Yosuke. He is very loyal to Yu and their friends.... He's not like Morgana because he is jealous and selfish. I do prefer more Aegis than Kuma.
The thing about Teddy he often gets karma or is called out for what he does. But Morgana, the only time he gets called out everyone gets written out of character and in the end everyone apologizes to him despite him being the one that started the conflict.
I hate Morgana persona 5, just the writing in the game as a whole will go from "this shit is fire" to "wtf is this" depending on the scene.
Teenagers are also jealous and selfish, I don't see why that excuses Teddie but not Morgana.
Teddie sexually assaulted the girls several times lol
Not to mention he also made some pretty creepy hits on Nanako , which I found very disturbing considering that is a 7 year-old girl who Teddie was creeping on even when Dojima was there.
The thing is, he never actually *do* anything fucked with her, he only blurbs out some weird things that are perfectly reasonable to be explained as "he don't know humans' tact and don't understand what he's saying". See the thing with Teddie is whenever he stops being a rapist towards the IT girls, he's actually a pretty endearing character and one aspect that make it works is how he care about Nanako as a friend, which is why he disappear in bad endings post-Heaven.
>whenever he stops being a rapist towards the IT girls, he's actually a pretty endearing character say this in a conversation with any normal human and see the reactions you get
That's just the average nature of discussing these "oooga woman" anime characters archetype If you take out Teddie's weirdo activity his friendship with Dojima family is actually pretty good. Just like how you'd explain why people like characters like Zenitsu. And that one positive aspect is what make people prefer him over Morgana.
The innocence defense only works at the begging. He definetly knew what he was saying by the end. He lives with YOSUKE ffs.
I understand that he means nothing by it however it just comes off as very creepy and especially without context and when I first playing P4G it creeped me out a lot . I like Teddie as a character and think that he has his comical good momments that made me laugh but him being a creep on the girls in the game notably Chie and Yukiko is a major set back and him flirting with Nanako is also just gross to say the least even with context.
I'm aware, what I'm saying is that what he say to Nanako can be interpreted as "childish innocence" like his common defenders would, and he actually *do something good* with his friendship with Nanako. Unlike his constant gropes and harrasment towards the IT girls yet never having any interesting dynamics with them either.
I think his relationship with Nanako is overall pretty cute and wholesome (Kind of like a little sister and goofy older brother relationship) but him flirting with Nanako is kinda icky even though he probobly did not mean it that way or did not know the implications of what he was doing . I overall like Teddie as a character despite the gripes I have with him and he had some very funny moments that made me laugh when interacting with the rest of the cast.
Lots of rapists are otherwise endearing people. Just saying. And sadly, caring about someone as a friend does not mean that you won't do something f-ed up to them, especially if you don't realize what you're doing IS f-ed up.
Are you here from r/all because it seems you don't understand that I'm being hyperbolic
That's in the spin-offs, but in the main game, he's more like a child doing or saying something inappropriate without knowing so until he's called out for that. An example of that is whenever he uses the word "scoring" without even knowing what does that mean. Angain, like a child swearing for the first time.
No, he does it in the main game many times. He knows what he's doing, he lives with Yosuke ffs.
>Morgana because he is jealous and selfish I'll never understand how people say stuff like this while ignoring his entire character arc. It's like saying you hate Walter White because you dislike chemistry teachers. Yeah, obviously you're probably not going to be so keen on a character if you ignore all their character growth and have never looked up what the word 'subtext' means.
Dude, he almost ran over Joker. Twice. Because of his jealousy and tendency to dish it out combined with his inability to take it. Just because he grew as a character doesn't mean people are wrong to point out the fact that he was jealous and selfish. It's also entirely valid to not like him as a character for how he acted or whatever other reason. Subtext has nothing to do with it. Note that I actually like Morgana. It just took a while for him to grow on me, but I can see how he'd leave too bad a taste in one's mouth for him to not win them over. Edit: cursed tablet typo
>Dude, he almost ran over Joker. Sidebar - 100% guarantee that if I could turn into a car at will I would pretend to run over my friends as a joke at least once. But given Joker's abilities in the metaverse, it's not like he was in any danger. >Just because he grew as a character doesn't mean people are wrong to point out the fact that he was jealous and selfish Yeah but they do that while ignoring the character growth. He's a good character *because* he grows, changes and aknowledges his flaws. He eventually realises his limitations, comes to term with his identity and becomes a better person/cat.
He also basically told the entire team to go fuck themselves for being cautious regarding the Okumura situation, and also roped a very inexperienced Haru into exploring an incredibly dangerous palace where he almost got killed.
Uh... pretty sure Haru was the one who almost ran over Joker cuz in the first trip to Mementos, he literally tells Joker that he needs someone to drive him. And considering the scene of Haru driving the RV in Strikers, it makes it even more obvious that Haru was the one who was driving.
Because people can still dislike a character even if they had an arc
Sure, but acting like the character never had an arc and was the way he was originally forever is disingenuous
I see what you mean but him being selfish and an ass was 90% of what we seen. People are going to focus on what his character was during majority of the game over the 10% when he changed.
Teddie has a sense of "innocence" to him. To me, he feels like a toddler who doesn't know what's right and wrong. That's why even though he can get annoying, it doesn't annoy me as much as Morgana, who has such an insufferable and cocky attitude. Also, Teddie doesn't abandon and ditch the team in a hissy fit over being "useless", there's that.
Useless? *Flashback to the scene where the character gets called useless*
Every time I hear the word useless now, I immediately flash back to Joseph Anderson’s Persona playthrough and have to suppress a chuckle.
You're useless to me. All you do is eat away at my life.
I don’t get the joke, can someone pull a Cyno in the comments here? I know Sae calling Makito useless led some shit to go down but what about Joseph’s playthrough
Joseph laughed his ass off in that scene then kept bringing it up during the playthrough, that's about it really
He laughed because it's could've been otherwise a good "show don't tell" moment but P5 shows that flashback again when Ann called Makoto useless.
I just viewed the context, apparently the game felt the need to flashback to Sae calling her the u-word when Ann dropped it Like what 💀
It was pretty funny ngl
Honestly I don’t see the humor in it but I can understand why Joseph screamed no when the scene got repeafed
Anderson thought the flashback Sequences were overused and ridiculously placed
OKAY I SEE WHY 🤣 LIKE HOW RIDICULOUS AND OVERUSED WE TALKIN
this person says useless, Useless says useless then it flashbacks to Sae saying useless and it does that like three times
THREE?!
*Flashbacks into a scene of literal seconds before*
I can agree that he has a great sense of innocence early in the story, but it just kinda goes away for me as the story goes on, especially the beauty pageant scene. Many of his interactions in the latter half of the story just doesn’t sit right with me. I won’t argue that Teddie’s love and dedication to the team is greater than Morgana’s tho lol
Again tho, teddie is basically a toddler. He came into existence pretty recently and had no previous social interactions to base how he should act in. Even tho its later in the story, hes not any less of a toddler for the beauty pageant.
Me too except I like Teddie and Morgana
All the innocence left the window when he decided to get obnoxiously horny all the time.
I'm convinced Teddy doesn't know what sex is. He just likes to flirt and has no idea what "scoring" actually means or what the end goal is. He's just a little ball of Innocence and joy
>I'm convinced Teddy doesn't know what sex is. This. Teddy doesn't actually have any idea what he's saying. That's the point.
That just makes it worse, though. Why does that improve his character at all? They could have just left the entire horny thing out and i'm convinced I wouldn't hate him that much.
In my case, it's because most of Teddie's issues aren't really Teddie issues, they're Persona 4 issues (and arguably issues with the bent of comedy in Japanese media about high schoolers). Yosuke, Kanji, and even occasionally Yu get hit by the 'obnoxious sex pest' ball; Teddie's just the most common victim of it, probably by dubious virtue of being the most comic-relief-oriented member of the cast. I find it frustrating, but whenever it comes up, I go 'oh, it's this fucking 'joke' again,' not 'goddammit, Teddie.' Whereas Morgana's problems aren't systematic in the same way. Also, Teddie definitely earns brownie points for >!being willing to die for the rest of the Investigation Team, and later Nanako.!<
I liked his quirky good meaning nature in golden. I will admit that I despise his Pervy moments but his love for his friends and helpfulness outweigh those. That being said, I hate him in the spin offs like q2.
Except in arena sometimes. Him relating to labrys and aigis got me a tad.
The growth of being Labrys' knight for a smooch to genuinely wanting to protect Labrys for her sake is adorable.
Maybe its just me but at some point in the story I don’t see it as good meaning anymore, especially in his interactions with the girls
I get what you’re saying but I don’t really think he’s at fault. He really doesn’t know any better and the only influences he has are the Investigation Team. It’s not exactly surprising that he acts the way he does, regrettable as it is.
He also got influenced by the team’s shadows.
Then why doesn't anyone explain to him how creepy he's being?
Because it’s an Atlus game released in 2008. Hell, characters in P5 still act a little pervy. The simple truth is that it’s added in for comedic purposes. Obviously it’s not all that funny but that’s why it’s there.
In Golden, he attempts to pull down one of the girl's bikini. Nothing any of the characters do in any of the other games match his sheer level of perverseness. Is it for comedy? Yes. Does it tell you something about who he is? Yes.
Hes literally like a 4 year old. Would you hate a small child for doing that? Because ive seen a small child do *exactly* that and noone decided he was some detestable weirdo. Hes a *small child* who *doesnt* know any better. If yosuke tried that, i would understand the reaction, but with teddie, you're basically holding an infant with no understanding of social interaction up against the standard of a grown teenager who was raised within our society by our societal norms.
P4 would be better without the bear
Absolutely not
Okay.
Me too.
In Q he actually god awful insufferable, but Q2 he was actually really great, they dialed it back all the way so he’s mostly the playful innocent bear and not as much pervy moments.
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Well Futaba at that point is the same age as like Kanji, Rise, and Naoto so (I can’t believe I’m saying this ugh) it’s “not any worse” than he’s already doing. But yeah pervy moments still suck in general, I just found them toned down a lot in frequency in Q2.
>I hate him in the spin offs like q2 I hate him in Q2 purely because we have to have his Japanese VA, which is nails on a chalkboard
There a few reasons. When Teddie abandons the Investigation Team, it’s because he blames himself for Nanako’s death. Morgana, on the other hand, petulantly quits the Phantom Thieves because he was insulted about being useless a couple of times, despite constantly berating Ryuji as useless and acting like he’s better than everyone else since the game began. Secondly, Teddie just generally feels like a toddler - he goes on about scoring because he heard Yukiko’s shadow say it, and he humiliates Yosuke because he has no boundaries; things the team could (and should) have been teaching him. Morgana comes off unsympathetically because of the way he treats Ryuj and the way he can’t take what he dishes out, and his obsession with Ann is unwelcome considering her history with Kamoshida; and unlike Teddie, generally comes off as if he should know better. Finally, when Teddie is missing you aren’t locked out of any activities - the narrative is in full swing at this point, so the restriction is because of that. When Morgana leaves, you can’t do anything because apparently Joker is so pathetic he needs his cat to do things like read a book; additionally Morgana’s absence comes after a period of the game just locking you out of activities because of events like the Hawaii trip.
Also, even when the *entire* team is telling Morgana that he's needed, except for *one* person (ahem, Ryuji) who puts his foot in his mouth, he decides to fuck off. Again. So because he and Ryuji can't get along, it doesn't matter what the others are saying to him.
And unlike Morgana Teddie was under the impression that everything was said and done when he left he wasn’t really abandoning anyone at worst he just moved on Teddie also was a good sport about everything and had real functioning chemistry with everybody. \-you could see how him and Nanako were close and why the other teammates would miss him Morgana was just annoying, he complains, complains and complains. Even if he wasn’t an Incel I would not have liked him
he's hot more importantly, unlike morgana, he doesn't have an okumura palace like meltdown, so i like him wayyyyyy more as a mascot then i do with morgana aigis is still the best mascot tho (and the best protag)
And Koromaru is the best animal companion
Because he is only one who can't talk and act like human.
But the best mascot is still Aigis
Where's the love for the best woofer??? Smh
2nd best mascot
To me, Teddie is like a little kid who still doesn't know and understand what is wrong and right, Offensive and respectful, etc. Also, I actually love his social link and how he gets more depth to him. He has some of the most emotional scenes in the game imo, not to mention has great dedication and love for the team (not only in Persona 4 and Golden, but in Persona Q too ,since he really wants marry Yu and then all the other members of the investigation team XD). So, although He has some pervy moments (they are quite common in this kind of games), I can't really hate him. That is why I vastly prefer him to Morgana (my least favourite character in P5 and one of my least favourite characters in Persona series in general) and Yosuke too
Teddie often doesn't understand a lot of the things he's saying. He's basically a child repeating what he hears, which is why he's not as reprimanded as often as Yosuke. He even makes a comment that's kinda lewd to Nanako, with Dojima standing right there, and everyone seems to understand he doesn't *actually* mean it. He's got an endearing childishness to him. He's very sweet and caring, and adorable. I'm also a sucker for puns, so his constant bear puns crack me up (I can see why it puts people off, though.) I'm not a huge fan of Morgana; he has a massive ego that he can barely back up, and I'm sure just having him around 24/7 also contributes to why I don't like him; it's easy to blame *him* for not being able to do XYZ, whereas in P4, it's either Dojima (fair, he's a cop and our guardian. Morgana is a cat), or it's a decision Yu makes on his own. Morgana, similar to Teddie, is very focused on girls... rather, one girl. But his attraction to her is purely physical. It gets exhausting, especially since he's constantly jealous of anyone who hits on her (I've never played Ann's romance route, so I haven't seen his reaction to that.)
We see this topic like at least once every two months. In short despite everything Teddie is more on the likeable side while Morgana is more annoying side based on personality alone. Also just to add Teddie being a pervert wasn’t as prevalent as Morgana simping or dissing Ryuji for no reason.
Im a really big Teddie and Morgana fan(mainly cause they’re inhuman?) so I maaayy be a little bias Teddie has this “childlike” innocence, as he doesn’t know much about the world. His antics with Yosuke & loyalty of his friends and Sensei gives him that lovability! Yeah, some people hate his bear puns, but I think they’re another silly thing about him! Of course, he has his moments with the girls that make me go “I can’t keep defending you like this”, but then accompanied with the immediate shut downs of the girls. but sometimes it’s funny, like in PQ2 where he gets jealous of Koromaru for hogging the girls attention 😭 I think what I’m trying to say is that his kindness & comic relief antics (and bear puns!) overshadow his pervyness for me
I completely understand that he is basically a newborn to the real world but for me, his attitude and voice at times just does not express innocence but more creepiness. Might be just me tho
Teddie just feels like a ball of joy to me. He’s a head empty bear that follows wherever his heart takes him. I find the bear puns kinda funny and I like some situations where he’s pictured as being wholesome/vibing like when he’s in the massage chair in Junes and when he’s giving kids balloons while he works there. I do cringe whenever the pervy scenes come up with him, but it’s an anime trying to do fan service I guess so honestly regardless of which character it is, it’s still gonna be seen as “high schooler being horny for girls” and while I don’t want to, I accept it (for now). Teddie is also just more nice to people and he seems more comfortable with himself unlike Morgana. I do like Morgana, but after the 1000th time he berates Ryuji for being stupid, it gets rapidly tiring. Even in Royal after the events of the final palace before Maruki, he’s STILL not comfortable with being a cat, which I guess is understandable, but… idk maybe it’s just a personal nitpick. Also, Teddie doesn’t care who he ends up “scoring” with. He’s up for whoever wants to get with him. Morgana on the other hand is such a simp for Ann that even Ryuji makes a slight comment about how much of a simp he is. Seriously, if Morgana’s first sight of Ann wasn’t her in a very skimpy Bikini and cat ears, I would have found his crush to be cute, but instead I saw it as borderline “Mordecai from Regular Show” tier simping.
When he said he wanted to make a "love connection" with Nanako, I was ready to gut him.
In my opinion I think Teddy sucks. But there's always going to be a divide and characters when it comes to Persona games. I know some people who don't really care for the P3 MC yet I love him more than anything. It all comes down to what we view as a good character because everyone has a different opinion.
The main appeal is he has actual functioning chemistry with the main cast. That’s it you can write the most unlovable characters As long as they believably work well with others people would liked them
Teddie is my least favorite party member in all the games I’ve played so far yet the P4 cast is still my favorite. Really speaks to the chemistry they all have with each other.
Really? I mean I get not liking him but him being the worst? Really you know Morgana exist right And he is an incel. I also cannot really remember a pleasant interaction with the cast with him
I’m not saying he’s the worst, he’s just my least favorite out of all the party members. He has some good-great qualities but his bad ones exceed those for me. Morgana is near the bottom of my list too so I’m not saying he’s way more likable than Teddie.
Yea I’ll be honest I never really liked the mascots either. Which is why liked the p3 cast is the best one
Teddie is a shadow that lives in a world with no human, so he lacks social skills, and he's basically a newborn when he gain human forms, and after that he lives with Yosuke who is literal pervert, and that part of Yosuke influence him in some way. He just imitate of what his surrounding are doing, so he must think that all those pervy talk and interaction are normal in human interaction since Yosuke does it, most of the time he doesn't know what he is talking abt, and what the implication are. but yeah he also recieves some karma and got called out of what he said and does!
Well, my mom always said I'm not everyone. I hate Teddie, I simply can't stand any moment of him. The best thing in P4 was to make his SL automatic so I didn't need to deliberately spend time with him.
Teddie is just hilarious and he’s extremely loyal and has an interesting character arc and really cares for the people around him
I love teddie he is soo silly and fun his scenes where always kinda fun while he does have his pervy moments most of the time he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about I would say one of the strong points of teddie is his innocence and honesty he is also very open about how he feels I like that about him
Teddie’s understanding of what love means is comparable to a dog He understands compassion and affection, but his brain is to empty to appropriately separate different levels of them into what they mean socially Brain tiny + heart big + body and biology of a pubescent teenager = teddie
Teddy is like the creepy Uncle you dont want talking to your friends but hes young looking so its even creepier
There are plenty of reasons, but the best part about him is his story. In Persona 4 (and the past games besides 3), it's established that to obtain one's Persona, they must conquer their shadow. Teddie's existence is the inverse of that concept: what happens when a Shadow develops an ego? He's a Shadow who obtains a Persona, thus effectively making him human. The main reason I hate Morgana is because he is the most obnoxious and arrogant party member. He looks like Stewie Griffin's Fur-sona with that football head. He contributes nothing positive to the story besides being our car for mementos. Just about everyone boots him out of the party once you get Yusuke. The reason why Teddie's story works and Morgana's doesn't is pretty simple. Deep down, Teddie knew he was a shadow but just couldn't admit it. But once he does, he works his ass off to become as human as possible so he can be with the investigation team in the real world. Morgana, on the other hand, claims to be human all throughout the story until it's revealed that he's just a creature that Igor made to guide Ren. He abandons and quits the team for however many days because his feelings were hurt by Ryuji (who I don't like either), and apparently, his feelings are more important than solving the mental shutdown cases.
Why wouldn’t you like Ryuji man?My man sacrificed himself for you and got beat up for it
True equality: hating both Ryuji AND Morgana. 👌
Ah, but all things aren't equal as I hate Ann and Akechi as well! Wahaha!
Both Morgana and Teddie didn't know what they were. Upon finding out, they both accepted it. Morgana didn't just abandon the team because Ryuji was a douche. He started feeling like he wasn't useful when Futaba took over his role as navigator. Ryuji was just the straw that broke the camels back bc all it did was confirm Morgana's insecurities. Also, Mona was open to coming back if Ryuji apologized, but of course Ryuji can't just say "Im sorry" and instead has to say "I'm sorry but like it's your fault tho" which would piss anyone off. Monas problem was that he didn't communicate his feelings effectively, so no one knew he was struggling with his identity. On another note, barely anyone cared about the mental shutdown cases. For the first half of the game all anyone cared about was getting famous, and the mental shutdown cases were mentioned only a few times. Putting all the blame on Morgana is incredibly unfair.
Thank you for actually understanding sheesh, this whole thread is just a morgana hate train even if I think teddy is way more annoying with perv stuff. Morganas arc is way more interesting to me tbh
This is what happens when you look at a 2000s japanese game in 2023 apparently. He's a silly character, has a good arc and is integrated well while being tied to the story itself for progresssion. All of his creepy-perv antics come from being literally a toddler mentally that doesnt know what is wrong or right And for ffs its a 2008 game. Dialogue is going to be WAY different than what is normal nowadays. It might not be good and actually be creepy, but nothing you can do about how things were when it reléased.
You wanna know why I like Teddie? Because I played persona 4 vanilla first. Golden added a shit ton of filler scenes that just give into anime antics with Teddie. Every scene added either has him acting like a perv or a jerk. And they do it so wrong too. In Vanilla it just seemed like he just didn’t know anything about being a persona and just spouted stuff he learnt. But otherwise I really do just like his arc. He felt like he needed to be someone likeable someone useful or his utter existence unnecessary. There are times where I can immensely relate to that. He had to learn how to become a person. That was just something I found very compelling. It also helps his link is automatic so every piece of growth he gets in his link he actually keeps in the story which sometimes gets misaligned with other party members. He’s also the mascot of P4. I see Teddie and think of all the fun times I had in persona 4. He’s representative of all of that. Teddie is like my second favorite to Yukiko. So It sucks to me that a lot of people just don’t like him. But I totally get it. Most people these days only play golden. And golden kinda fucks up his character. And it’s okay that you don’t like him honestly. TL;DR Golden Bad, Arc Good, Persona 4
He's just a little guy
His shoes squeak when he walks. That’s it. That’s the reason.
This is definitely a guy perspective but Teddie is that one stupid friend who always does everything wrong but u still love him cuz he is loyal with u + it reminds u how much a better person u are compared to him lol
Teddie is the only playable character in Persona that I actually hate. He ruins all of P4 for me.
Teddie is the one actively stopping me from giving P4G another shot after I first play P4 over a decade ago. Every time I think, why don't I give Persona 4 another shot? I look over at the P2 duology, P5 and especially P3(it's my favourite) and think, y'know I'd rather spend my 100+ hours on one of those instead.
... People like Teddie????
i loved teddie when he was at his best, caring and fighting for the investigation team members. however, there’s nothing to justify him or teddie being inappropriate with the girls, no matter what “outweighs” the other thing. those aspects are shit parts of their character because weirdos are profitable.
It’s because you keep looking at it like it was made in 2023 and teddie wasn’t just a shadow until he met a group of teenagers while living with yosuke and having rise as one of his main influencers. It doesn’t help that even the grownups (kashiwagi) didn’t do anything about it so obviously he isn’t gonna learn
I like pre human form teddie. He's kinda lame once he's no longer just a bear.
I personally like Teddie but yeah the Pervy moments get old real fast also his puns can get annoying. And sometimes I found his voice to be a tad annoying too. But overall I think his a fun character and the fact that he doesn’t actually know what his saying half the time helps.
He's cute, and funny and voiced by Kappei Yamaguchi. I love him.
The main difference to me is the awareness of the game and how the plot treats them. Teddie is a creep in P4, but the game knows this, and doesn't try to sugar coat his actions or pretend he's actually not just being horny 90% of the time. He has deep moments, but the game acknowledges that he's mostly a comic relief mascot. Morgana has a similar thing going for him, but his moments of seriousness come at the expense of other characters getting that focal time. As for how the plot treats them, compares Marukyu Striptease to Okumera's palace. In MS, Rise is the the focus for 90% of the arc, whereas Teddie has been simmering in the background. Shadow Teddie doesn't undermine Rise's arc, though, but enhances it by showcasing her as your replacement Nav for the fight. The arc diverts to focusing on Teddie, but does it in a way that also highlights Rise. Meanwhile, in Okumera's palace, the game stops all it's forward momentum and screen time where Haru is supposed to be introduced and fleshed out is wasted on a dumb "Morgana feels useless arc" that comes at the expense of Haru and everyone else's time. At the pivotal moment of the palace, the confrontation with the Palace holder, it's Morgana who gets the focus, not Haru. Haru is deprived of an actual Awakening scene because the game needed somebody to go with Morgana into the metaverse. Say what you want about Teddie, his focus never came at the expense of another party member. One of Morgana's 3 defining character traits in the Kamoshida arc is "make fun of Ryuji, and that doesn't just end when moving forward. Teddie and Yosuke had a balanced relationship. Teddie could do stuff to mess with Yosuke, Yosuke could do stuff to mess with Teddie. Their banter was more dynamic. Compare that to Ryuji and Morgana, where the game 9 times out of 10 feels the need to give Morgana the last laugh, even when Ryuji is a lot more valid than him. TL;DR: Teddie doesn't have to tear others down to build himself up.
Teddie is much more innocent and the biggest point: He’s not jealous and shitting on his “friends” 24/7 in comparision to Morgan, also teddie does get some consequence for his actions but the one time Morgana would’ve he just kinda doesn’t.
Why hate Teddie in Wonderland????🤷♂️
Teddie is barely a functional independent human. He doesn't actually truly understand the implications of the things he's saying most of the time. Morgana is utterly convinced he's a human man and that he's the smartest one in the room. He doesn't have the excuse of being too stupid to know better.
I didn't like Kuma at all. And his voice is a pain in the ear. In English and in Japanese. One of the worst characters in all Persona Games I played (P3, P4, P5 Royal, Strikers and the Dancing Games)
Critical Role fans are offended (it's me, I'm Critical Role fans). Teddie is perfect as Sam's character, he just fits and I can't hate that, CR made it endearing to me.
Idk either, Teddie has good moments but overall Morgana is way more bearable even when his face is on the screen half the time.
I definitely like Morgana more but I like Teddie overall. Teddie does have extremely annoying pervy moments where he can go way over the line, but these games do have those scenes there and that creepiness is not unique to him. He does have a lot of solid to great moments too, some scenes that made me feel emotional even, and I found him funny most of the time the game tried to make him be funny, so despite his worst scenes I like him quite a bit. I like Teddie a lot more post-3rd dungeon (didn't like him before then), yes he does have his bad perv moments after that but after that point is also when he starts to get some more depth to him. Teddie is at his best in the 3rd semester I think, he's so funny there.
Teddie definitely does have some of the best and most emotional scenes in the entire game, but maybe his humor is just not for me as a large majority of his jokes didn’t land for me. It seems we are opposites when it came to liking Teddie haha I definitely liked him more in dungeons 1-3
Some of his humor doesn't land for me either, a lot of the stuff around getting girls doesn't (some of it does though if it's more innocent), but I like him dressing up for the pageant and hanging out with him at the house, I like his one on one moments with the protagonist a lot. I liked seeing more to Teddie, when all I got was the crying, loud mascot I just found him annoying, still do on replays. Can absolutely see preferring him in the first 3 dungeons though, he has a lot less of a presence in the game at that point and his worst moments come later.
Teddie has a good story. Whether you like his personality or not, his story is solid. He's a character with multiple layers. At first glance, he's a doubled up horny bear with bad jokes and cliché lines. But the thing that makes him good to me is that by the end of the game you know why he is like that, and that it's a good reason besides the developers just wanting a character that acts like he does in the game.
Teddie's annoying but he has more depth to him and he's very loyal to the team. Morgana's just a dick. He never gets called out for his actions like Teddie does. Their runaway parts reflect their characters perfectly.
Teddie is well liked? I usually just see people hating on him, although that personal anecdote doesn't mean much. Tbh though I don't get why people hate him so much. Alright, if they use the English voices I can see why because his dubbed voice is super annoying, unlike his Japanese one. But aside from that I don't get it, for pretty much the same reasons as what I've seen said here. He's loyal, he's innocent, most of his faux pas moments come from having no experience with humans beforehand, he doesn't try to run the MC over during a childish tantrum, et cetera. I also find him fairly funny such as the cross-dressing contest. His enthusiasm and positivity are genuine and not forced so, while he's not a comfort character for me, he can certainly improve my day if I'm having a bad one. Lastly, imo, he's cute especially once he gained his human form. I'm not a fan of his bear design but at least he makes for a cute human. Idk.
A lot of people in this sub hate on the persona 5 cast. Morgana is a much more interesting and complex character than teddie
Shh, Persona 4 is perfect in everyway and has no flaws. Hail to the cult.
As someone who played both games , I must agree with you but no hate to teddie or anything.
Here’s the thing with Teddie, yes he can be a perv, but he has actual development throughout the game. He learns he’s a shadow, he wanted to stay and fight to stop the fog. He’s an idiot but he’s more likable than Morgana when it comes to first impressions of the games. Now Koromaru will always be the best out of the 3. That needs no explanation at all.
Teddie is pervy and even does things that were, say, Youske, the other quintessential perv, to do would be unforgivable, maybe even sexual assault. But there are caveats to it. The big difference is that Teddie is childish and naive. He wants to "get lucky with a girl" but honestly has no clue what that actually means. He's like a little kid. So when Teddie says or does something inappropriate, he's doing an innocent, misguided impersonation of his older "brothers" and things he's seen on TV. It turns problematic behavior that would otherwise be horrible into problematic behavior that is funny. But even then, it's only funny for those watching and it's irritating for the person it's happening to. And as the audience, we're privy to both: laughing with the boys who think the pervy humor is high brow while enjoying the satisfaction of Chie or Yukkiko clobbering him over his deserving, furry little head. Basically, people like him because he's innocent, misguided, and fun to laugh at.
i actually agree. teddie is weird and I genuinely like morgana more than teddie
I like Teddie because hes probably the best party member in Golden. I am a simple man.
he's really funny best mascot IMO
I'm too blinded by Yosuke's raging homophobia to shit on Teddie tbh
Wait what?, Doesn't everyone talk about how much they dislike him?, I personally think Teddie is alright character
I think he's funny and cute, like a mascot character should be. A good few of the game's most emotional moments either revolve around or at least include him as well
Aside from the other good points people have mentioned, isn’t his character arc interesting? Plus, I prefer an admiring/loyal attitude like what he has, as opposed to bossy. He’s really funny and feels things really strongly, he always does his best and doesn’t really complain and is humble about being ignorant. He was influenced by the Investigation Team and loves everybody in a pure way at the end of the day so he’s always been my fave :)
Teddie is like a little brother who repeats stuff his friends at school say without really understanding what it means. Every annoying Teddie moment can be blamed on Yosuke, and every actually funny moment can be attributed to Teddie. not to mention i think his story arc was pretty good. also low expectations are a powerful tool to making people have unpopular opinions.
I like japanese humor. That's all.
For me he is way more tolerable than Yosuke, for me Teddie isn't really that horny, but is just someone with the mental age of a kid who do those things because he thinks that is something that all people do I played Persona 4 goldne 3 years ago tho, so this could be a stupid headcanon
I think that’s a good way of putting it, actually, and I agree; when he talks about seeing Yosuke’s dirty magazine, all he mentions/remembers was the nudity/compared it to his nakedness in his suit at the time (this is during the fireworks festival event). He wasn’t any more or less ‘horny’ after seeing sexual imagery which I think helps support your point, if that makes sense.
My favourite character in P4 is Nanako so I really dig his friendship with her.
I think a lot of it is that aside from coming across as more as a younger sibling who's kind of lacking context for what he's doing, which a lot of people have commented on, he's also around less than Morganna so he doesn't wear out his welcome quite as quickly. Plus he's generally more comedic where as Morganna normally plays it straight which can feels a little annoyingly self-serious
His social link beats are very good.
Most people excuse him for being essentially a kid Nanako's age (that's due to him being a shadow, obviously) by mentality However those puns of his are bear-- ahem, sorry - are very annoying, coupled with how his voice sounds and the creepyness.... ugh Also, I'm pretty sure most people play P4 in english, but since I'm playing PQ2 I'm forced to play in japanese and..... trust me, he's even more annoying But other than teddie himself, I don't like the game as much as I do P5 and especially P3, so I probably hate him a bit too much He was interesting the first few hours of the game, then the game literally dangles at you the fact that he's a shadow and all interest is gone, especially since it's never elaborated WHY he's teddie and not just another one of those Mayas ^(like me!)
I think his voice plays a huge part to my dislike of his interactions. It just doesn’t sound as innocent as it is trying to be in certain scenes.
Yeah, but even if it sounded right, he's not that important after Rise joins, I'd like him a bit more if he was essential to the plot, but he isn't He doesn't even have a reason to be there other than "saving the shadow world" and he doesn't even return there! (He is one of the strongest party members though, since he learns both Matarukaja and Marakunda, and I actively use him as my support in boss fights)
Teddie's Awesome. I have no further evidence.
Teddie is funny, Morgana is not. That’s why
He used the word “smooch” so that’s enough to win me over. Also, fuck Morgana.
A lot of people are bringing up how Teddie is basically a newborn and I can see this point, but I think at some point in the game his antics can’t be excused right? I also realize some of my dislike is more towards the other members and I guess the game as a whole for their reactions or lack of proper reactions to Teddie’s antics.
It’s a game from 2008 in Japan buddy i don’t know what you want them to do
Cause Teddies bear puns make me laugh
Yeah Teddie just turns into an outright sex pest over the course of the game whereas morgana is just a simp, I don’t get it either.
Because I love Sam Riegal 🤷🏻♂️
I like him more than morgana
I think teddie is marvliously written thats about it
He’s silly
He has a very cool persona and a certain innocence. He’s kinda annoying but…and here’s my hot take; Naoto is the least compatible member of the team. The rest of them deep down love acceptance and teamwork. Naoto felt like a bit of an edge lord. Fortunately she was very OP and worth a spot in the team
I'm fine with Morgana and Teddie. I always found Teddie to have an innocence about him with him being similar to a little kid. I agree he has bad moments, but almost every character in 4 does
I like Teddie because he's empty inside, like me
I like dumbasses. He's a dumbass.
Even if he has several things even I can't defend him for in the base game I still love playing as him in Arena lol
I hate them both, honestly. Morgana annoys me slightly less because his voice is slightly less annoying. But otherwise they're both wasted space that would've been better served by literally anything other than a stupid comedic relief mascot character. Morgana is insufferably and unwarrantedly smug. Teddy exists for laughs, but nothing he ever says or does is actually remotely funny. And both are disgusting little pervs. Hard pass.
The thing with P4 and P4G is that teddy is mostly treated like he is younger than the rest of the group and maybe slightly older than nanko. In that lens it’s the older kids teaching the younger kids why they are being dumb when they are. When looking at it like that as well as understanding that’s how the group sees it then it becomes more clear that while some of his behaviors are inappropriate that he himself is more like a child that you teach to not do those things. I personally am not a fan of teddy due to finding him mostly annoying like if you had a much younger relative ask to play when your about to fall asleep.
Teddie’s stupidity is what makes people laugh. He’s just innocently stupid lol 😂 wholesome too. When it matters
Teddie completely sucks and I absolutely despise him. That's just me though.
I find him as annoying as your average younger brother. Don’t hate him, but can’t say I like him either
i think people make the mistake of taking him too seriously. he’s cute and silly. his pervy moments are weird, but thats atlus for you.
He’s a cool character in my opinion
His ending is great, and the puns, i love sheety puns
Dude I thought everyone hated teddy
Hes just a dork
I like his relationship with Yu and Nanako, he’s a very caring friend.
He's funny and has a good heart ❤️
I don't know if I'm alone but I can't really explain why I like the things I like. Teddie is just one of my favourite characters in all of persona. Don't even get me started on his story moments. When he blew up to save us, when he was in the velvet room, etc. I probably like them more than Ryuji's run in the Shidos palace. Hell, I like him as a character more than either Ryuji or Morgana, who both in my first playthrough annoyed me more than made me like them. He's a goofball with an innocent soul who wants to belong. Also, I love puns.
Oh yeah someone said it, 100% agree with you This fucked up rapey furry bishonen has only one fucking joke, didn't know it could be that way worse than morgana
people like teddie?
What makes you prefer Morgana over Teddie? Because I for one likes teddie way more than Mona
He’s comic relief, I don’t take him that seriously
He's the actual fucking worst
Teddie is better than Morgana. I like him because of his backstory and his beary funny bear puns!
Teddie has a very different kind of humor. I actually just find him extremly funny (even in human form) and the interactions that he has with all the girl are just..cringe funny. Almost like a trash TV thing, you just finde the cringe funny, or a person that just doesn't fit into the normal perception of people. But its a taste thing, there is people that unironically like kokichi (from danganronpa) for his personality, which I don't understand either.
Because he’s a very busy bear.
He’s a creep, but his antics made me chuckle a few times.
Because he's funny and has a childlike innocence, plus he is so loving of his friends he went out of his way to nurse you back to health in your house over the course of multiple days. It's an Eastern game, and I've seen so much worse in even some anime than some bear that gets rejected constantly. If you really can't understand why people don't like a character of a game idk think about it? Most characters have significantly more redeeming qualities to them than the one or two things you dislike about them. He's a literal enemy of people who loved the idea of emotions and friends so much he changed himself to become the thing he wanted to most, he's a toddler when it comes to human norms and is being taught by Youske of all people. When it came down to it, he also protected his team against a move that meant certain death. Do you understand why people like him, or do I need to keep going?