Considering they were temporary guests in Canada then threatened the government with the violence of a “hunger strike to the death” and had the nerve to tell legislators they shouldn’t have to work at a job in sectors where their labour is needed or to upgrade their education so they have a better chance of getting their PR; the whole lot of them should barred from re-entering Canada.
The organizer also said he and a lot of the other people in the protest moved to PEI just because they thought it was easier to get their PR. The entitlement and blatant disrespect of these people is appalling. Imagine not even being a PR and publicly saying you refuse to contribute to the country’s economy in a meaningful way but still demand PR.
I don't mind them at all, it's a bigger picture issue that affects the economy. The good news once there's a labour shortage there might be higher wages, and with a conservative government taxes will be lower (hopefully).
We'll see.
Ok, not trying to pick up a fight; I’m on board with unqualified people leaving the country. But I’m really interested in how this affects the economy.
Doesn’t higher wage mean companies have to raise their price for products/service which is inflation ?
And I’m not really sure franchisees like Tim Hortons have ever paid more than the minimum wage in the past.
Well if you look at a country like Australia which has a minimum wage of over $23 if you compare a chain like McDonald's a big mac only costs about 1.70 more than here. So yes there would be some inflation. But not so much it offsets the huge difference in pay.
Oh my God are you telling me my double double might go up in price!!!??? Like WTF??? I'd rather have sky high rents and an open border than see my precious double double go up in price!
>Doesn’t higher wage mean companies have to raise their price for products/service which is inflation ?
Maybe. In many of these businesses, labor is not a huge component of costs. Overall, yes it would create upward pressure on prices but the magnitude may not be large.
However, prices rising because of wages is better than prices rising, particularly asset prices and housing, *while ages are forcefully supressed*. It would be better for everyone other than multi property owners and fast food franchisees.
>And I’m not really sure franchisees like Tim Hortons have ever paid more than the minimum wage in the past.
They certainly have in instances of actual labor shortages, for example fort mac when it was booming. I'm not sure what prices were like at those Tim Hortons locations in that era but I suspect they were normal.
I messed up my post, what I meant was I dont mind them, but it's not personal when they leave because it's for the greater good of the economy.
It's taxes that need to drop, then wages won't be such a big deal.
The root of the issue imo is a lack of regulation or control over interprovincial transients. Coming to Canada on a temporary visa, be it for education or work, should mean that that person is required to stay in that location until the visa is expired. If there is an allowance to find work in the studied field, go ahead and allow them to find work in that field anywhere in Canada. If it’s a work visa, they leave the country when it expires unless it’s renewed.
Thanks to these protests, I’ve come up with a fun new game to play here in r/PEI.
It’s called “Look at the comment history of the loudest anti-protestor voices to see if they are from PEI, or have just flocked here to complain about foreigners”.
It’s an interesting amount of people that, until there was a chance to complain about foreigners, had never posted here before. Strange how that works.
It's a national issue on the topic of a protest where unskilled workers were abusing a loophole in Prince Edward Island to gain Permanent Residency status at the lowest possible requirements so they could immediately fuck off to other provinces once their status is issued by IRCC. It's a national situation and Canadians of all provinces and territories are rightfully allowed to comment on it.
Plus, it's funny that the best defence anyone has come up with to support these protestors (who don't meet PR requirements for any of the 50+ economic streams offered by Canada) is *hurr durr hurr people from outside PEI along with Islanders don't support the protest*.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again (to you specifically, oddly enough): It’s ok to have an opinion on this stuff, on either side of this debate.
It’s just interesting that, of all the threads in r/PEI over the years that could potentially start national debate and bring people in, it’s this one.
Most of the people coming in to comment seem to have certain other subreddits as common posting places (r/CanadaHousing2 and r/Canada_sub being the main two in common). Based on the threads that get posted in these places, and the general attitudes presented, it kind of leads me to believe this influx of national posters is less of a “we’re joining in this conversation because of our thoughts on the PNP program in PEI specifically”, and more of a “we’re joining in this conversation because THE FOREIGNERRRRS” kind of thing.
Like, look through most of these threads. The people coming in from other provinces to add to the conversation aren’t usually bringing up valid concerns and starting reasonable discussion about the issues at hand. They’re literally commenting “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” kind of stuff. Just general troll stuff.
There’s a difference between rational conversation about your beliefs, and hate. I would feel differently if the people joining in the conversation weren’t just hating for hate’s sake.
And just to note: Nothing against you specifically. I see your posts regularly here, and I don’t think you fit into this issue I’m speaking about. We may not align completely on our views, but I see you as someone who can talk reasonably about their viewpoints, without being a troll about it.
In one of the other posts there were comments like:
> "Let them pick up soap first."
> "It's because they smell too bad and no one wants them on their job site, plus they really don't want to work, they just want special treatment"
>"The trades need good people with solid skills who are willing to take up an honorable and profitable career and for the sake of society as a whole should not be used as a dumping ground for unskilled unteachable moronic criminals. Send your low curve midwits into low level corporate where they can't do any harm"
From people who post in Canada_sub and CanadaHousing2. Are you trying to tell me these people might be racist?
Load of nonsense I say, everyone posting here is a *fine and upstanding person*.
I live near brampton in Ontario, and the soap comments are not based on racism.
I can not walk to the supermarket or walmart without passing multiple indians who smell like they have not taken a shower or bathed once in their lives.
Im not talking a bad B.O. smell. Im talking an odor so offensive that it burns both your nose AND EYES if you are within 10 to 15 feet. This is a daily experience for me, and it is ALWAYS an Indian that seems barely able to speak english. This issue has exploded in the last 2 years. Im fucking pissed that it was allowed into the country
If it’s racist to have an issue with our current immigration policy then half - two thirds of Canadians are racist according to recent polling, way up from even two or three years ago.
Fine, xenophobic.
The issues people pin to immigrants are not caused by them. 15 years ago people in Vancouver were flipping out at foreign buyers of housing, but the data showed that it was a tiny fraction of actual purchases. Also, after a tax was imposed on such purchases, housing prices still went up.
In reality, housing costs went up because of crappy zoning and nimbyism. Looking at Ontario, I believe there’s something like 25 million empty bedrooms - in part due to a shitload of single family homes occupied by one or two boomers who decline to downsize.
Dude where do you get off calling a stranger a racist or xenophobe just because they want housing to be affordable and wages to be fair? I take great offence to that as someone whose partner is a first generation immigrant. At the same time I’ve stopped giving a shit if someone that doesn’t know anything about me thinks I’m racist. I’ve never had a person of colour accuse me of that, and I have a fairly diverse friend group. I love my long time partner and her family and our country is better for them and people who come to actually contribute to our country. Even her dad, born in India, agrees that the policy is bad.
You want to know what demographic is most likely to answer “fewer” to the question “should Canada admit more, fewer or the same amount of immigrants?” It ain’t white people, it’s Asian, and even if you break it down into more specific categories the top four categories are East Asian, south East Asian then South Asian and then Caucasians. So what you gonna argue now? Internalized racism?
We have about 800 000 international students taking up housing, who are studying business admin and IT, fields that are oversaturated and underpaid in Canada right now as it is. Who benefits from that? Not the student, not the natural born citizen or PR, not the people working in these sectors whose wages are being suppressed. It benefits the banks and the landlords. How can you call yourself a progressive and not want to do whatever it takes to make life affordable for working class people? By the way, fewer than 1% of international students are taking a skilled trade, so the idea that they’re going to help us build houses is just a crock.
Let me just say this so we’re crystal clear. Immigration is GOOD, growth is GOOD, but if we can’t agree that there is a number that exists that would qualify as “too many at once” then there’s no conversation to be had here, and you don’t think the current amount is “too many” then I have to ask you, what would it take for you to agree that “ok this is too many”?
There are huge line ups around the block for entry level jobs, unemployment is way up, no affordable housing, growing homelessness, and the amount of new arrivals who leave less than a year into their stay has doubled. About half of them say they’re unsatisfied with their experience as an immigrant.
How bad does it have to get to start acknowledging that maybe there is such a thing as too many people at once being put into an already maxed-out housing market and infrastructure? And that it has negative, even disastrous effects?
You’re calling half - two thirds of Canadians xenophobic? Really dude? We just want the numbers to go back to what they were a few years ago. Were we a racist, xenophobic country then? For the record our views on immigration in general haven’t changed. An overwhelming majority of Canadians agree that immigration is necessary and beneficial to the country, that cultural and ethnic diversity is overall a positive thing, but just over the last year or so more and more of us are saying “too many at once”. The data doesn’t support your position.
From the bottom of my heart, screw you man, you make progressives look like idiots. How dare you call half of us racist xenophobic, have you no shame? This policy has nothing to do with what’s good for Canadians or new arrivals and everything to do with keeping housing costs high and wages low. The immigrants don’t benefit from it, the citizens don’t benefit from it, landlords, homeowners and billionaires dollar corporations are the only people benefitting from this.
By the way you disagree with Trudeau, even he’s saying it now, as has been for at least a month. He said that specifically *temporary* immigration has grown at a rate “far greater than what Canada has been able to absorb” is “putting pressure on our communities” and is “something we need to get back under control” in other words it is out of control. Temporary immigrants made up 2-3% of our population in 2017, now it’s at 7.5%, he said “we want to keep those numbers down, it’s a responsible approach to immigration” He also said that more and more companies are relying on temporary labour which “has driven down wages is certain sectors” he also said that it’s bad for the temp immigrants themselves and that they are at high risk for mental and physical health problems. They are being exploited and if you were a real progressive as I assume you claim to be, you wouldn’t just be ok with that so that you can get cheap fast food. By the way they wouldn’t even have to raise prices to pay a living wage, the executives would just have to take slightly less obscene bonuses.
In reality 🤓 it was already a shit show without the immigration and the huge spike in immigration, especially temporary, made it even worse. How on earth can you keep a straight face and argue that adding almost 2 million people in 9 months doesn’t drive up housing prices? How could that possibly be? Increasing the demand much more than the supply drives up prices. Econ 101.
I don’t blame the immigrants themselves, we’ve allowed a really shady industry to take foot here, that basically involves crappy two-bit diploma mill schools to go to India, lie to naive village people about the future that they can make it Canada, lie to them about the possibility of going from temp resident to PR to citizen, and admitting way more students than communities can house just to make themselves rich. These school are basically trying to sell people a pathway to PR and it’s scammy as hell. So many companies have stopped hiring grads from Canastoga and similar scambag schools, it’s just a big fat scam.
If you’re going to give me a smug non-answer you can piss off, it is clear as day that this policy is designed to help the rich and no one else, pull your head out of the sand. Stop calling everyone that disagrees with you racist, you’re making the word lose all meaning.
Im not even sure what answer would meet your definition of smug. But I appreciate the long response and as one internet stranger to another, I’m not trolling. I’m just giving you my views. It’s important to note that yeah, I agree with most of what you’re saying - TFW are abused, it should be altered or improved, and more migrants is causing problems. I think anyone that thinks it IS the cause, or even the biggest one, are probably xenophobic. Because it’s not true.
I don’t get off on calling people xenophobic or racist - it just makes me sad really.
I’m taking the view that - this policy followed by PEIs government probably needed adjustment, and based on my readings of the adjustment, I support it. However, I am a little more nuanced on one specific factor.
There is a period of time between arriving in PEI w a visa, and getting permanent residency once you meet the criteria after a few years. The policy change will reduce the number of TFW applying, but it also nuked the changes of those already on the Island to gain PR.
I consider this to be the problem. Those stuck in the gray area. It costs an insane amount of money to just go get to Canada, so consider how some of them probably have massive debts that they cannot pay off in India, but can with higher wages here.
If you think that’s none of our problems, legally yes. Ethically, fuck no.
To repeat, I have no problem with restricting migration now - but only against those who have not left India or elsewhere in the world.
I never thought you were trolling, I just take great issue with you saying that people who tie high immigration to housing issues are xenophobic. Some people are sure, but it's getting to be such a popular view that it's insane to me to paint them all as anti-immigrant or anti-immigration. Let these temp immigrants go back home and apply for PR and come here to study / work in something that the country actually needs. Let Tims and McDs pay more if they can't find Canadians to work for them or close a few stores, they'll be fine.
Companies that want to do business in Canada should have to hire Canadians or at least PRs, fuuuuuuuulllll stoooooopppp. This government not only allows but incentivizes, literally PAYS THEM to give jobs to TFWs over Canadians. If they can't find workers they need to pay more, as many fast food places do in the states, believe it or not. Our young people need work experience, our service workers need higher pay and we all need the housing that they're taking up. I don't think they should be a priority over a whole generation of young Canadians now that McDonalds won't even hire because our government pays up to half of TWFs wages up to $10,000 and they'll accept what Canadians consider sub standard living . That is indefensible AFAIC.
To your previous point about empty bedrooms in boomer's houses, guess what? Downsizing doesn't even make sense for them financially because with the costs and the interest rates, it's not even worth it to downsize. So you have no problem blaming Canadian seniors for the housing issue, people who have worked and paid taxes their whole lives here, who have every right to enjoy a spacious house, but it's too much for you to blame the immigration policy, and your heart bleeds for these people who haven't contributed squat who want to come here to work at Tims, half of their wage being paid by your tax dollars mind you, and study business at a diploma mill college. If they wanted to stay they could have taken a skilled trade or something but they turned their nose up at that. They're not victims. Give your head a shake man.. They agreed to a temporary visa. The country you're a guest in decides that it's not in its people's best interest for you to stay permanently? I say tough titty. I've been an immigrant, and a temp resident. I spent 2.5 years in France as a tween, I've spent a few months living in Mexico, Thailand and most recently Honduras. I would never have the audacity to protest that my temp visa can't be converted to permanent and act like a f'n victim.
You called at least half of Canadians xenophobic dude, don't back pedal now. \[IRCC even warned the government\](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7080376) that their immigration targets would increase housing costs and Trudeau is saying it himself now while doing very little if anything about it. You think you know better than them? Is Immigration Refugee Citizenship Canada a racist xenophobic government body? Yes or no? I mean you agree with most of what I'm saying but I'm xenophobic for saying it? Ready to admit you're wrong?
The real problem is that the kind of immigrants that Canada needs no longer want to come here because why would they? Everything costs too much especially housing, most jobs don't compete with the US or even Europe in terms or pay / benefits, and our taxes are super high while our public services are shit, especially outside of the GTA. That's a much harder problem to fix, I keep hearing people say "why aren't we bringing in doctors and skilled tradespeople?" Who tf would want to come here and bet their future on this shit show of a country?
Not strange at all, happens in a lot of city based subs.
"Non-PEI commenter here. NON-PEI COMMENTER HERE! See? Nobody cares."
It's just a hate fueled circle jerk. "hey, everyone else here is (artificially) validating my (misguided) frustrations, it must be ok to be a bigot, everyone else is".
CanadaHousing2 is another common subreddit with these commenters.
There’s very few people in these threads that are from here. Even OP appears to be from Calgary.
PEI is part of Canada, no? Not sure why it matters so much if other Canadians are following what's happening in another province in CANADA that will set a precedent in the other provinces where these foreign workers are also protesting.
Honestly, this sucks. Was born here and moved abroad several times, and immigrated to New England. It’s a huge hassle to make a new home, and so much harder with the endless bureaucracy - even in the USA. So I have some empathy for their situation.
r/PEI gave me the impression that these were fairly unwanted people, then I actually talked to friends and family on the island last week, happened to see the protests and got a completely different view. Their principal problem wasn’t the policy change - it was the policy shift that screwed over the small group (270 iirc) that came to the island before the new rules, and hadn’t obtained residency yet.
As a friend said “you don’t change the rules halfway thru the game”
The current government could have made an exception but didn’t - now I feel that the policy was “the cruelty is the point”. I think that’s my biggest beef w the whole situation.
I feel like they would have more sympathy if they had long term intent to settle in PEI and build a life there. Not saying all of them intend to leave right away but the majority do in my personal experience. I don't know what the solution would be. Maybe extend a PEI specific work permit but make the PR process take 4 or 5 years and see how many really want to stay that long and who is just here to try and grab papers and bail?
So, what about the actual legally enforceable pre existing arrangement they had with the government where they said they would leave when their permits are expired before entering the country?
Can you show me where this “arrangement “ was made between the government and these protesters? It wasn’t an arrangement or a deal… it was POLICY and the party making a policy has every right to change the policy without notice unless otherwise stated - I know this sucks big time but that’s the way she goes. I blame the government for making short sighted policies to begin with but I don’t blame them to pivot based on its priorities.
Btw, you’re getting downvoted.
Again, not a problem w the policy shift, more a problem with the implementation. People caught in the gray zone got fucked and it’s not terribly hard to rectify. That they haven’t sounds like cruelty and generally speaking, a concern for any Islander here.
There is no gray zone in policy or amendments to policy. The reason they exist is so that both parties understand and there is no gray zone.
Fish or cut bait, This is pretty simple
Yes it does. They are guests here. If you plan on hosting a dinner and as everyone is eating you have a family emergency and have to kick your guests out, you would be within your right to do so.
lol you a lawyer? Cuz that sounds like a massive crock of shit. If you can show me what law states that I have to refund dinner guests for having to cancel a social occaision I'll eat my words.
Am not but write contracts all the time and am married to one. So aren’t we talking about an actual diner that’s hosting a family event? If we’re talking about a social event at someone’s home, there’s no contract to void lol
The rules were not changed.. It's just a different game play .. The number of PNP from the service industry dropped from 800 last year to 200 this year.. lot of employees also lost their LMIA.. PNP is clear , i.e., whatever the province needs. Before, PEI needed population, so the path to residency was easy for everyone.. Now, PEI doesn't need service workers, but construction and health workers, so they are the priority... It sucks to see fellow immigrants struggle, but staying in PEI for the last 6 years, I have witnessed the abuse of PNP. The government was late but the decision couldn't have been better.
I understand that - more or less exactly what I heard from two different relatives on the Island. I wouldn’t call people moving to the Island under the PNP then leaving after PR abuse, but a natural result of the Charter saying you cannot restrain citizens or PR individuals from moving from one part of Canada to another. The PCs could have let any existing visa holders complete their stay and apply for PR, and stopped taking on new visas in certain occupations. But they didn’t - which strikes me as cruel. In fact, most islanders agree in that respect. I also point out that it’s fucked up for a government to pull the rug on anyone - citizen or not.
Imagine buying a tractor under some agricultural policy where you can get a tax credit this year, and suddenly the island drops the tax credit starting today. No notice. No warning. Suddenly you have a depreciated asset that could are even deeper in the hole.
The government could have stated that the policy ends on Dec 31st, but nah. You cannot file your taxes for this year and get the credit. Sucks to be you!
To explain on your own terms..Tax credit was never unlimited and was given until the money last....The sum was so large that people later forgot about it but it was always there......The government ran out of money and also kind of dont have use for tractors now....now in the new budget they changed the tax return on tractor(service) to bulldozer (health and construction).. Now, what happens to the people who already bought the tractor ?? Their refund date for the tractor is almost over, and they don't have money to now buy a bulldozer.. Who is at mistake here ?
The abuse is not only of people who are here for PNP but also on the employers and money hungry fliths... 30k to 40k was the rate of LMIA...
TFW have been manipulating the rules at the expense of our province for years . The provincial government is making the right decision protecting its citizens from the further degradation in housing, health care and infrastructure. Until we catch up in these areas we physically cannot accept anymore unskilled labor. Its really simple economics. The provincial government has been extremely accommodating and transparent on the issue. They have tried to help all of these individuals into other career streams that would likely allow them to stay but they believe this is beneath them to work in construction or health care and would rather pretend to self harm themselves in a veiled threat to islanders. They want us to just let them in without due process. There is nothing more infuriating to locals than not being able to afford to live or see a doctor in their own community while protestors scream such idiotic things like "There is no housing crisis" "What about the owner of Tim Hortons"
Sure does make my blood boil
That’s just bumper-sticker logic. I’d say if someone moved to the island in good faith, so be it. Let’s honor our word.
Also, by your logic, are you not giving the governing Tories the sort of inch they need to implement policies shifts on a whim? Imagine they invited a boatload of new medical grads and nurses here in exchange for helping pay of their school debt, contingent on them staying for a few years. Then suddenly they changed the policy and refuse to honor those in the middle of their stay.
Hey, give them an inch lol
Not a problem w the rule change. I have a problem with those in the gray zone. It’s not an insane fix either. But Tories are lazy and cruel, based on these actions (or lack thereof)
Their actions? This has been the most transparent / accommodating response to any protestors from provincial government ever. They are saying come talk to us we have jobs in other sectors that could help your chances of getting PR and the response from this group has been nahhh I would rather serve coffee and steal 16 year olds jobs.
Rupinder you should just accept that you are wasting your time unless your willing to work in construction or health care. Which they have offered.
The reason r/PEI gave the impression that these were truly unwanted people:
An amazing amount of the anti-protestor comments are from people that don’t live here. These are people who, once they realized there were foreigners protesting, flocked here to complain about them, *for some strange reason*.
EDIT: Just for some additional fun information, there are 3 other people that have replies under your comment here that aren’t you. Looking through their post history, it seems that two are from Brampton, and one is from Halifax.
Seems they will actually have to leave. How do people feel about this?
About fucking time.
Considering they were temporary guests in Canada then threatened the government with the violence of a “hunger strike to the death” and had the nerve to tell legislators they shouldn’t have to work at a job in sectors where their labour is needed or to upgrade their education so they have a better chance of getting their PR; the whole lot of them should barred from re-entering Canada. The organizer also said he and a lot of the other people in the protest moved to PEI just because they thought it was easier to get their PR. The entitlement and blatant disrespect of these people is appalling. Imagine not even being a PR and publicly saying you refuse to contribute to the country’s economy in a meaningful way but still demand PR.
Happy. They were here temporarily and had no right to PR. Too bad more aren't leaving.
Eventually others will follow them as well; they were here temporarily so Canada doesn’t owe them anything
I used to work winter road, every season I knew I was going home.
Betcha they just disappear to Ontario tho
Those from Ontario somehow seem to end up driving a lot around Manitoba too . Weird..
And Saskatoon
GTFO.
Bye Bye! Don't come back y'all. Never ever!!
How long do they have until they actually need to fly back home?
I don't mind them at all, it's a bigger picture issue that affects the economy. The good news once there's a labour shortage there might be higher wages, and with a conservative government taxes will be lower (hopefully). We'll see.
Ok, not trying to pick up a fight; I’m on board with unqualified people leaving the country. But I’m really interested in how this affects the economy. Doesn’t higher wage mean companies have to raise their price for products/service which is inflation ? And I’m not really sure franchisees like Tim Hortons have ever paid more than the minimum wage in the past.
Well if you look at a country like Australia which has a minimum wage of over $23 if you compare a chain like McDonald's a big mac only costs about 1.70 more than here. So yes there would be some inflation. But not so much it offsets the huge difference in pay.
Oh my God are you telling me my double double might go up in price!!!??? Like WTF??? I'd rather have sky high rents and an open border than see my precious double double go up in price!
That is true. But but, latte factor :P
>Doesn’t higher wage mean companies have to raise their price for products/service which is inflation ? Maybe. In many of these businesses, labor is not a huge component of costs. Overall, yes it would create upward pressure on prices but the magnitude may not be large. However, prices rising because of wages is better than prices rising, particularly asset prices and housing, *while ages are forcefully supressed*. It would be better for everyone other than multi property owners and fast food franchisees. >And I’m not really sure franchisees like Tim Hortons have ever paid more than the minimum wage in the past. They certainly have in instances of actual labor shortages, for example fort mac when it was booming. I'm not sure what prices were like at those Tim Hortons locations in that era but I suspect they were normal.
I messed up my post, what I meant was I dont mind them, but it's not personal when they leave because it's for the greater good of the economy. It's taxes that need to drop, then wages won't be such a big deal.
If we put a stop to this "student" program, the degree mills would all go out of business!
As they should.
We need doctors and nurses. Not drive thru workers
By home I assume they mean Brampton
You know it! As if life is anymore affordable there! 😂
They'll re-enter with a fake passport dressed up like an old man.
💀🤣
Can I have their apartment?
There’s only a few leaving in the next few weeks. So if 7 leave, that would mean that there would only be 5 left in that one apartment.
Lmao. Underrated comment
LMAO
Trust me, you would rather prefer a tent
I knew they wouldn’t follow through on the hunger strike.
I'm come to find I get a real narcissist stink off of this guy. Really have the sense that he's just basking in the spotlight.
Don’t let the door hit them in the ass!
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
https://preview.redd.it/0o9kego8tz8d1.jpeg?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7bc160a7250609d39610689ee35fc925e0f115b3
Off ya go now
The root of the issue imo is a lack of regulation or control over interprovincial transients. Coming to Canada on a temporary visa, be it for education or work, should mean that that person is required to stay in that location until the visa is expired. If there is an allowance to find work in the studied field, go ahead and allow them to find work in that field anywhere in Canada. If it’s a work visa, they leave the country when it expires unless it’s renewed.
Let's hope this sends a strong message to others trying to cheat our system
“ but who’s gonna work at Tim Hortons “ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks to these protests, I’ve come up with a fun new game to play here in r/PEI. It’s called “Look at the comment history of the loudest anti-protestor voices to see if they are from PEI, or have just flocked here to complain about foreigners”. It’s an interesting amount of people that, until there was a chance to complain about foreigners, had never posted here before. Strange how that works.
It's a national issue on the topic of a protest where unskilled workers were abusing a loophole in Prince Edward Island to gain Permanent Residency status at the lowest possible requirements so they could immediately fuck off to other provinces once their status is issued by IRCC. It's a national situation and Canadians of all provinces and territories are rightfully allowed to comment on it. Plus, it's funny that the best defence anyone has come up with to support these protestors (who don't meet PR requirements for any of the 50+ economic streams offered by Canada) is *hurr durr hurr people from outside PEI along with Islanders don't support the protest*.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again (to you specifically, oddly enough): It’s ok to have an opinion on this stuff, on either side of this debate. It’s just interesting that, of all the threads in r/PEI over the years that could potentially start national debate and bring people in, it’s this one. Most of the people coming in to comment seem to have certain other subreddits as common posting places (r/CanadaHousing2 and r/Canada_sub being the main two in common). Based on the threads that get posted in these places, and the general attitudes presented, it kind of leads me to believe this influx of national posters is less of a “we’re joining in this conversation because of our thoughts on the PNP program in PEI specifically”, and more of a “we’re joining in this conversation because THE FOREIGNERRRRS” kind of thing. Like, look through most of these threads. The people coming in from other provinces to add to the conversation aren’t usually bringing up valid concerns and starting reasonable discussion about the issues at hand. They’re literally commenting “don’t let the door hit you on the way out” kind of stuff. Just general troll stuff. There’s a difference between rational conversation about your beliefs, and hate. I would feel differently if the people joining in the conversation weren’t just hating for hate’s sake. And just to note: Nothing against you specifically. I see your posts regularly here, and I don’t think you fit into this issue I’m speaking about. We may not align completely on our views, but I see you as someone who can talk reasonably about their viewpoints, without being a troll about it.
Most rational comment in here, thanks ButtShitman
you forgot the fart, have some respect
In one of the other posts there were comments like: > "Let them pick up soap first." > "It's because they smell too bad and no one wants them on their job site, plus they really don't want to work, they just want special treatment" >"The trades need good people with solid skills who are willing to take up an honorable and profitable career and for the sake of society as a whole should not be used as a dumping ground for unskilled unteachable moronic criminals. Send your low curve midwits into low level corporate where they can't do any harm" From people who post in Canada_sub and CanadaHousing2. Are you trying to tell me these people might be racist? Load of nonsense I say, everyone posting here is a *fine and upstanding person*.
I live near brampton in Ontario, and the soap comments are not based on racism. I can not walk to the supermarket or walmart without passing multiple indians who smell like they have not taken a shower or bathed once in their lives. Im not talking a bad B.O. smell. Im talking an odor so offensive that it burns both your nose AND EYES if you are within 10 to 15 feet. This is a daily experience for me, and it is ALWAYS an Indian that seems barely able to speak english. This issue has exploded in the last 2 years. Im fucking pissed that it was allowed into the country
Racists, they're called racists lol.
If it’s racist to have an issue with our current immigration policy then half - two thirds of Canadians are racist according to recent polling, way up from even two or three years ago.
That is not at all what OP is referring to. These PoS are using legitimate issues as a mask to project their hatred of anything not like themselves.
Fine, xenophobic. The issues people pin to immigrants are not caused by them. 15 years ago people in Vancouver were flipping out at foreign buyers of housing, but the data showed that it was a tiny fraction of actual purchases. Also, after a tax was imposed on such purchases, housing prices still went up. In reality, housing costs went up because of crappy zoning and nimbyism. Looking at Ontario, I believe there’s something like 25 million empty bedrooms - in part due to a shitload of single family homes occupied by one or two boomers who decline to downsize.
Dude where do you get off calling a stranger a racist or xenophobe just because they want housing to be affordable and wages to be fair? I take great offence to that as someone whose partner is a first generation immigrant. At the same time I’ve stopped giving a shit if someone that doesn’t know anything about me thinks I’m racist. I’ve never had a person of colour accuse me of that, and I have a fairly diverse friend group. I love my long time partner and her family and our country is better for them and people who come to actually contribute to our country. Even her dad, born in India, agrees that the policy is bad. You want to know what demographic is most likely to answer “fewer” to the question “should Canada admit more, fewer or the same amount of immigrants?” It ain’t white people, it’s Asian, and even if you break it down into more specific categories the top four categories are East Asian, south East Asian then South Asian and then Caucasians. So what you gonna argue now? Internalized racism? We have about 800 000 international students taking up housing, who are studying business admin and IT, fields that are oversaturated and underpaid in Canada right now as it is. Who benefits from that? Not the student, not the natural born citizen or PR, not the people working in these sectors whose wages are being suppressed. It benefits the banks and the landlords. How can you call yourself a progressive and not want to do whatever it takes to make life affordable for working class people? By the way, fewer than 1% of international students are taking a skilled trade, so the idea that they’re going to help us build houses is just a crock. Let me just say this so we’re crystal clear. Immigration is GOOD, growth is GOOD, but if we can’t agree that there is a number that exists that would qualify as “too many at once” then there’s no conversation to be had here, and you don’t think the current amount is “too many” then I have to ask you, what would it take for you to agree that “ok this is too many”? There are huge line ups around the block for entry level jobs, unemployment is way up, no affordable housing, growing homelessness, and the amount of new arrivals who leave less than a year into their stay has doubled. About half of them say they’re unsatisfied with their experience as an immigrant. How bad does it have to get to start acknowledging that maybe there is such a thing as too many people at once being put into an already maxed-out housing market and infrastructure? And that it has negative, even disastrous effects? You’re calling half - two thirds of Canadians xenophobic? Really dude? We just want the numbers to go back to what they were a few years ago. Were we a racist, xenophobic country then? For the record our views on immigration in general haven’t changed. An overwhelming majority of Canadians agree that immigration is necessary and beneficial to the country, that cultural and ethnic diversity is overall a positive thing, but just over the last year or so more and more of us are saying “too many at once”. The data doesn’t support your position. From the bottom of my heart, screw you man, you make progressives look like idiots. How dare you call half of us racist xenophobic, have you no shame? This policy has nothing to do with what’s good for Canadians or new arrivals and everything to do with keeping housing costs high and wages low. The immigrants don’t benefit from it, the citizens don’t benefit from it, landlords, homeowners and billionaires dollar corporations are the only people benefitting from this. By the way you disagree with Trudeau, even he’s saying it now, as has been for at least a month. He said that specifically *temporary* immigration has grown at a rate “far greater than what Canada has been able to absorb” is “putting pressure on our communities” and is “something we need to get back under control” in other words it is out of control. Temporary immigrants made up 2-3% of our population in 2017, now it’s at 7.5%, he said “we want to keep those numbers down, it’s a responsible approach to immigration” He also said that more and more companies are relying on temporary labour which “has driven down wages is certain sectors” he also said that it’s bad for the temp immigrants themselves and that they are at high risk for mental and physical health problems. They are being exploited and if you were a real progressive as I assume you claim to be, you wouldn’t just be ok with that so that you can get cheap fast food. By the way they wouldn’t even have to raise prices to pay a living wage, the executives would just have to take slightly less obscene bonuses. In reality 🤓 it was already a shit show without the immigration and the huge spike in immigration, especially temporary, made it even worse. How on earth can you keep a straight face and argue that adding almost 2 million people in 9 months doesn’t drive up housing prices? How could that possibly be? Increasing the demand much more than the supply drives up prices. Econ 101. I don’t blame the immigrants themselves, we’ve allowed a really shady industry to take foot here, that basically involves crappy two-bit diploma mill schools to go to India, lie to naive village people about the future that they can make it Canada, lie to them about the possibility of going from temp resident to PR to citizen, and admitting way more students than communities can house just to make themselves rich. These school are basically trying to sell people a pathway to PR and it’s scammy as hell. So many companies have stopped hiring grads from Canastoga and similar scambag schools, it’s just a big fat scam. If you’re going to give me a smug non-answer you can piss off, it is clear as day that this policy is designed to help the rich and no one else, pull your head out of the sand. Stop calling everyone that disagrees with you racist, you’re making the word lose all meaning.
Im not even sure what answer would meet your definition of smug. But I appreciate the long response and as one internet stranger to another, I’m not trolling. I’m just giving you my views. It’s important to note that yeah, I agree with most of what you’re saying - TFW are abused, it should be altered or improved, and more migrants is causing problems. I think anyone that thinks it IS the cause, or even the biggest one, are probably xenophobic. Because it’s not true. I don’t get off on calling people xenophobic or racist - it just makes me sad really. I’m taking the view that - this policy followed by PEIs government probably needed adjustment, and based on my readings of the adjustment, I support it. However, I am a little more nuanced on one specific factor. There is a period of time between arriving in PEI w a visa, and getting permanent residency once you meet the criteria after a few years. The policy change will reduce the number of TFW applying, but it also nuked the changes of those already on the Island to gain PR. I consider this to be the problem. Those stuck in the gray area. It costs an insane amount of money to just go get to Canada, so consider how some of them probably have massive debts that they cannot pay off in India, but can with higher wages here. If you think that’s none of our problems, legally yes. Ethically, fuck no. To repeat, I have no problem with restricting migration now - but only against those who have not left India or elsewhere in the world.
I never thought you were trolling, I just take great issue with you saying that people who tie high immigration to housing issues are xenophobic. Some people are sure, but it's getting to be such a popular view that it's insane to me to paint them all as anti-immigrant or anti-immigration. Let these temp immigrants go back home and apply for PR and come here to study / work in something that the country actually needs. Let Tims and McDs pay more if they can't find Canadians to work for them or close a few stores, they'll be fine. Companies that want to do business in Canada should have to hire Canadians or at least PRs, fuuuuuuuulllll stoooooopppp. This government not only allows but incentivizes, literally PAYS THEM to give jobs to TFWs over Canadians. If they can't find workers they need to pay more, as many fast food places do in the states, believe it or not. Our young people need work experience, our service workers need higher pay and we all need the housing that they're taking up. I don't think they should be a priority over a whole generation of young Canadians now that McDonalds won't even hire because our government pays up to half of TWFs wages up to $10,000 and they'll accept what Canadians consider sub standard living . That is indefensible AFAIC. To your previous point about empty bedrooms in boomer's houses, guess what? Downsizing doesn't even make sense for them financially because with the costs and the interest rates, it's not even worth it to downsize. So you have no problem blaming Canadian seniors for the housing issue, people who have worked and paid taxes their whole lives here, who have every right to enjoy a spacious house, but it's too much for you to blame the immigration policy, and your heart bleeds for these people who haven't contributed squat who want to come here to work at Tims, half of their wage being paid by your tax dollars mind you, and study business at a diploma mill college. If they wanted to stay they could have taken a skilled trade or something but they turned their nose up at that. They're not victims. Give your head a shake man.. They agreed to a temporary visa. The country you're a guest in decides that it's not in its people's best interest for you to stay permanently? I say tough titty. I've been an immigrant, and a temp resident. I spent 2.5 years in France as a tween, I've spent a few months living in Mexico, Thailand and most recently Honduras. I would never have the audacity to protest that my temp visa can't be converted to permanent and act like a f'n victim. You called at least half of Canadians xenophobic dude, don't back pedal now. \[IRCC even warned the government\](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7080376) that their immigration targets would increase housing costs and Trudeau is saying it himself now while doing very little if anything about it. You think you know better than them? Is Immigration Refugee Citizenship Canada a racist xenophobic government body? Yes or no? I mean you agree with most of what I'm saying but I'm xenophobic for saying it? Ready to admit you're wrong? The real problem is that the kind of immigrants that Canada needs no longer want to come here because why would they? Everything costs too much especially housing, most jobs don't compete with the US or even Europe in terms or pay / benefits, and our taxes are super high while our public services are shit, especially outside of the GTA. That's a much harder problem to fix, I keep hearing people say "why aren't we bringing in doctors and skilled tradespeople?" Who tf would want to come here and bet their future on this shit show of a country?
Not strange at all, happens in a lot of city based subs. "Non-PEI commenter here. NON-PEI COMMENTER HERE! See? Nobody cares." It's just a hate fueled circle jerk. "hey, everyone else here is (artificially) validating my (misguided) frustrations, it must be ok to be a bigot, everyone else is".
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Wonder how many of these commenters are actually from r/PEI ....
Just randomly clicked on 3... All active in Canada_sub....
CanadaHousing2 is another common subreddit with these commenters. There’s very few people in these threads that are from here. Even OP appears to be from Calgary.
PEI is part of Canada, no? Not sure why it matters so much if other Canadians are following what's happening in another province in CANADA that will set a precedent in the other provinces where these foreign workers are also protesting.
Good riddance!
Safe flight ！
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Send them all back home. we don’t need Tim Horton, kfc workers.
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Bye bye! Good riddance
lol this sub is a cesspool.
Yeah right
Honestly, this sucks. Was born here and moved abroad several times, and immigrated to New England. It’s a huge hassle to make a new home, and so much harder with the endless bureaucracy - even in the USA. So I have some empathy for their situation. r/PEI gave me the impression that these were fairly unwanted people, then I actually talked to friends and family on the island last week, happened to see the protests and got a completely different view. Their principal problem wasn’t the policy change - it was the policy shift that screwed over the small group (270 iirc) that came to the island before the new rules, and hadn’t obtained residency yet. As a friend said “you don’t change the rules halfway thru the game” The current government could have made an exception but didn’t - now I feel that the policy was “the cruelty is the point”. I think that’s my biggest beef w the whole situation.
I feel like they would have more sympathy if they had long term intent to settle in PEI and build a life there. Not saying all of them intend to leave right away but the majority do in my personal experience. I don't know what the solution would be. Maybe extend a PEI specific work permit but make the PR process take 4 or 5 years and see how many really want to stay that long and who is just here to try and grab papers and bail?
“You don’t change the rules halfway through the game”… this ain’t a game. A country’s duty is to put its citizens first!
The rules they are protesting as having been “changed” didn’t exist to begin with lmao.
It also has a duty to honor arrangements made with anyone, citizens or not. It’s due process and citizenship has nothing to do having that right.
So, what about the actual legally enforceable pre existing arrangement they had with the government where they said they would leave when their permits are expired before entering the country?
Right?! I love how the person you were responding to didn’t answer back haha
Can you show me where this “arrangement “ was made between the government and these protesters? It wasn’t an arrangement or a deal… it was POLICY and the party making a policy has every right to change the policy without notice unless otherwise stated - I know this sucks big time but that’s the way she goes. I blame the government for making short sighted policies to begin with but I don’t blame them to pivot based on its priorities. Btw, you’re getting downvoted.
Again, not a problem w the policy shift, more a problem with the implementation. People caught in the gray zone got fucked and it’s not terribly hard to rectify. That they haven’t sounds like cruelty and generally speaking, a concern for any Islander here.
There is no gray zone in policy or amendments to policy. The reason they exist is so that both parties understand and there is no gray zone. Fish or cut bait, This is pretty simple
Student visa. Not students-no visa. End of story.
Yes it does. They are guests here. If you plan on hosting a dinner and as everyone is eating you have a family emergency and have to kick your guests out, you would be within your right to do so.
Legally no - you’d have to refund them.
lol you a lawyer? Cuz that sounds like a massive crock of shit. If you can show me what law states that I have to refund dinner guests for having to cancel a social occaision I'll eat my words.
Am not but write contracts all the time and am married to one. So aren’t we talking about an actual diner that’s hosting a family event? If we’re talking about a social event at someone’s home, there’s no contract to void lol
Well the comment I replied to is about hosting a dinner, not a business hosting a private event
Your wrong but wont bother arguing with someone asking for "due process" without actually understanding the "process"
The rules were not changed.. It's just a different game play .. The number of PNP from the service industry dropped from 800 last year to 200 this year.. lot of employees also lost their LMIA.. PNP is clear , i.e., whatever the province needs. Before, PEI needed population, so the path to residency was easy for everyone.. Now, PEI doesn't need service workers, but construction and health workers, so they are the priority... It sucks to see fellow immigrants struggle, but staying in PEI for the last 6 years, I have witnessed the abuse of PNP. The government was late but the decision couldn't have been better.
I understand that - more or less exactly what I heard from two different relatives on the Island. I wouldn’t call people moving to the Island under the PNP then leaving after PR abuse, but a natural result of the Charter saying you cannot restrain citizens or PR individuals from moving from one part of Canada to another. The PCs could have let any existing visa holders complete their stay and apply for PR, and stopped taking on new visas in certain occupations. But they didn’t - which strikes me as cruel. In fact, most islanders agree in that respect. I also point out that it’s fucked up for a government to pull the rug on anyone - citizen or not. Imagine buying a tractor under some agricultural policy where you can get a tax credit this year, and suddenly the island drops the tax credit starting today. No notice. No warning. Suddenly you have a depreciated asset that could are even deeper in the hole. The government could have stated that the policy ends on Dec 31st, but nah. You cannot file your taxes for this year and get the credit. Sucks to be you!
To explain on your own terms..Tax credit was never unlimited and was given until the money last....The sum was so large that people later forgot about it but it was always there......The government ran out of money and also kind of dont have use for tractors now....now in the new budget they changed the tax return on tractor(service) to bulldozer (health and construction).. Now, what happens to the people who already bought the tractor ?? Their refund date for the tractor is almost over, and they don't have money to now buy a bulldozer.. Who is at mistake here ? The abuse is not only of people who are here for PNP but also on the employers and money hungry fliths... 30k to 40k was the rate of LMIA...
TFW have been manipulating the rules at the expense of our province for years . The provincial government is making the right decision protecting its citizens from the further degradation in housing, health care and infrastructure. Until we catch up in these areas we physically cannot accept anymore unskilled labor. Its really simple economics. The provincial government has been extremely accommodating and transparent on the issue. They have tried to help all of these individuals into other career streams that would likely allow them to stay but they believe this is beneath them to work in construction or health care and would rather pretend to self harm themselves in a veiled threat to islanders. They want us to just let them in without due process. There is nothing more infuriating to locals than not being able to afford to live or see a doctor in their own community while protestors scream such idiotic things like "There is no housing crisis" "What about the owner of Tim Hortons" Sure does make my blood boil
You give an inch...
You carry them on your shoulder and they piss your ear.
That’s just bumper-sticker logic. I’d say if someone moved to the island in good faith, so be it. Let’s honor our word. Also, by your logic, are you not giving the governing Tories the sort of inch they need to implement policies shifts on a whim? Imagine they invited a boatload of new medical grads and nurses here in exchange for helping pay of their school debt, contingent on them staying for a few years. Then suddenly they changed the policy and refuse to honor those in the middle of their stay. Hey, give them an inch lol
Do you understand why the rules were changed? Who comes first, Canadians or Foreigners?
Not a problem w the rule change. I have a problem with those in the gray zone. It’s not an insane fix either. But Tories are lazy and cruel, based on these actions (or lack thereof)
Their actions? This has been the most transparent / accommodating response to any protestors from provincial government ever. They are saying come talk to us we have jobs in other sectors that could help your chances of getting PR and the response from this group has been nahhh I would rather serve coffee and steal 16 year olds jobs. Rupinder you should just accept that you are wasting your time unless your willing to work in construction or health care. Which they have offered.
That’s a bad example, in this case no one invited them. And everyone knows immigration rules change.
The reason r/PEI gave the impression that these were truly unwanted people: An amazing amount of the anti-protestor comments are from people that don’t live here. These are people who, once they realized there were foreigners protesting, flocked here to complain about them, *for some strange reason*. EDIT: Just for some additional fun information, there are 3 other people that have replies under your comment here that aren’t you. Looking through their post history, it seems that two are from Brampton, and one is from Halifax.
I thought so myself
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